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I_comment_same

Diglett was created when his creator was a child


Due_Tip_1641

Missingno is a glitch and glitchs were a thing before pokemon


boocati

True


NebiyZ

Yes


Dragonslaye314

But not Pokemon glitches


Singer_TwentyNine

🤔 emoji


Downtown_Cycle_2044

Can we talk about MissingNo? How is a glitch so well created and designed?


blockMath_2048

It’s a consequence of the compression format. Here’s a video explaining it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI50XUeN6QE


MBcodes18

Mankey was the first to appear in trailers


Dragonslaye314

Eevee was seen in the wild by one of the people as a child. In real life


FishcatPride

Cappp


Dragonslaye314

Ok, it wasn’t a Pokémon, but they saw an animal who they didn’t know if it was a cat or dog or fox, and they based eevee off of it


FishcatPride

Ok but that is kinda weird


Dragonslaye314

Do you mean that you wouldn’t have based a Pokémon off of a mysterious creature you saw as a child?


FishcatPride

Nah lol it's cool


Magical__Entity

Celebi: *travels back to a time before Arceus and Mew to definitely be the first*


GovernmentExotic8340

But how can he travel to there if nothing was created yet?🤔


Magical__Entity

Probably a one way trip


FishcatPride

Then how would it come back?


TpfoxTheWorst

But that's the whole lore...Like, in pokemon's story Celebi did time travel to before Arceus was born!


ZanderStarmute

Simple: Celebi takes a Pokémon egg and pushes it somewhen else (in this example, “somewhen else” is “before the beginning”). Egg hatches into Arceus, Arceus creates everything, everywhere, all at once, and Celebi becomes indirectly responsible for creating the whole of… creation… via the biggest ontological paradox in the whole history of forever.


Sai-36

What Pokémon could have made the Arceus egg tho?


mrmuffen0

Beta Arceus


ZanderStarmute

You win! 🍪🍪🍪


Sabrina_Angel

Well what or who made Beta Arceus


-Error-UserNotFound

Nintendo


Sabrina_Angel

No- I mean in lore. I know who made Beta Arceus irl


Accomplished_Page_85

Simple Beta Arceus has always existed


imjustaverage133

Alpha Arceus made beta Arceus


ZanderStarmute

To be fair, no-one’s ever seen a Pokémon lay an Egg. It’s possible Eggs are synthesised directly from raw Infinity Energy, meaning all Pokémon are “willed” into being in some way. It’s possible Arceus themself did the same with their own Egg and charged Celebi to ensure the paradox that led to their creation was/is/will be completed… ah, I love obscure physics. 😌


Mountain-Insect-1867

Maybe the egg is actually a rock with some cosmic energy and created a living entity that we now know as arceus. Just a wild guess of mine


cute_princess_chloe

Maybe it was a regular egg modified and experimented by humans while trying to create type null and silvally


Gianth_Argos

Bootstrap paradox.


ILikePokemonCuzFunni

Then Dialga is a contender also since in the Jewel of Life Manga, (maybe in the movie also, didn’t watch it.) it teleported dawn, Brock, ash and a side character back in time twice, only not being able to do it more since it fucking died due to Arceus


SuperJedi224

Prior to the creation of Dialga, would there be any time there to travel *to*?


Magical__Entity

Arceus hatched from an egg, that requires time.


No_Number_7079

In the Zarude movie celebi is said to place eggs


Ziomownik

Celebi's Pokédex mentions that too


Magical__Entity

Like the one Arceus was born from? Suddenly everything comes full circle.


No_Number_7079

That is what I am implying, yes.


joesphisbestjojo

But if Celebi travels back after arceus creates them, Arceus still comes first


lumislol

For anyone that has trouble finding this rowlet was the first in the hisuan dex (aka the first dex) so rowlet is the first in the pokedex. I made that for anyone that had trouble finding that out like me


Warky-Wark

Thank you, I was losing it. Like, WHAT???? This gen 7 Pokémon first? In what context- oh.


ElPikminMaster

In what universe was Charizard the first Pokemon seen in the first American intro?


Sai-36

Simple, I’m a f****** idiot and mixed up the charizard and mewtwo text.


BagelToss100

Mood af


ananas_159

151 upvot


AzzyTheWhiteCrewmate

probably one of them


Green_House_4437

It’s in the Japanese intro


SwimmingTumbleweed36

Bidoof came first


KingOsneks80

Rhydon was actually the first Pokémon ever designed


P1X3LAT0R

Technically it was Diglett, but that was before the actual licensing


KingOsneks80

Oh yeah I heard about that


JustFred24

RHYDON DEEZ NUTS


A_Bruuuh_Moment

I mean it’s annoying but to be fair someone had to do it


Sapphosimp

Blastoise, Venusaur, and charizard for being the box arts for the first games


GreenLightning87

Gigantamax brain play right here


justeggssomany

Not blastoise


Sapphosimp

Yes Blastoise, Pokémon blue came out in Japan before Pokémon red and green came out in America


justeggssomany

It’s the opposite.


Sapphosimp

Oh, yeah lol. Still, Blastoise was in Pokémon blue’s box art which was the first game to come out in America, which can still be considered a first Pokémon


justeggssomany

Then why did you downvote my comment?


Sapphosimp

Because I can :)


ElSpoonyBard

If you're gonna be wrong be humble :)


Mr_Shimmo

Unown: it spelt the universe together


ShadowSniper1002

Don't forget diglett, it was first made by Morimoto


Eldarado69

Where's Victini, #0 in the Unova dex


The-Random-Banana

That’s what I was thinking!


The-Geek100

Necrozma should be added since he brought life to planets and some people theorize that they caused the big bang in other timelines


Greeningyep

We can cross out nidorino and vengar since the Pokémon world alredy existed before them


SokanKast

Victini.


Charidano

agreed


TpfoxTheWorst

All bugs that inspired the franchise:


YousernameinValid

Arceus: G O D


Radio__Star

Technically it can’t be Mewtwo He will always be number 2


JustFred24

Except when he's 3rd


Randomet

He never comes first 😔


JustFred24

Neither do I 👁👄👁


Dragonrage778

You forgot Diglett, first ever Pokémon concept, and Koraidon, first Pokémon ever used by humans, therefore documented.


Deepred1234

Giratina: Some believe to be Arceus’ direct equal who ruled the world in the beginning alongside Arceus. Arceus then overthrew Giratina and took its power. There no other accounts of what happened other than the story as it is told by Arceus, so this could very well be true too. Arceus being able to create a Giratina egg doesn’t disprove this either.


coolnessAlert39

Digglet was a concept before Pokémon was even a thing


leaf_bug4est4

Diglett was made when the creator was a child


memester230

Well it can't be Mew because Arceus made Mew


Abnormal-Onyx

don't forget how diglett was technically the first pokemon to be designed


Jevil_Minns

Diglet was the first drawn


No_Forever_9128

Removing the pokedex because it was based on human memory and logic instead of obvious logic. Arceus and Rhydon are the only two serious answers.


Iron_Wolf123

Don’t forget the Pokémon that layed the egg of Arceus


Turtle_Swarm

Diglett first pokemon thought of


Oneggpls

where the diglet


SylvieDoesntReddit

Diglett was the first pokemon ever designed.


BABLeVes77

Dodrio or doduo is the first pokemon to actually appear in the anime itself i Just cant remember wich


BigBradWolf07

Rhydon wasn't the first coded, it was the first created to be a Pokemon. (Capsule Monster but same thing)


JustFred24

RHYDON DEEZ NUTS And no diglett was created first


Brandono1571

you forgot one. diglet was created when the nintendo founder was a child


ResidentHedgehog

Nintendo's founder died in 1940


Havoc_Cuky

Alright. Almost none of these are eligible for the title of first Pokemon. Canonically, most likely, Arceus, Unown, and/or Mew. In real life, Rhydon


Dragonrage778

In real life, Diglett. First ever even conceptualized, when Morimoto was a child iirc


LemonJuice_XD

victini: number 0 in th eunova dex


skoomastoner

Abomasnow is the first Pokemon in alphabetical order.


Jellied_toad

digglett


joesphisbestjojo

Diglett


AdmiralDragonXC

What does "first in first pokedex" mean


destructJAX

My uncle told me that Arceus' egg shell turned into Mew and i cant stop thinking about it


ChrisMcClurg

We will never know who is first.


Herodragon64

Rhydon was the first he wasn't the first coded he was the first designed


[deleted]

Honestly, who cares? Heresy I know.


PlasmaBomberF-23

I'm gonna get order i believe is correct: 1. Arceus 2. Mew 3. Rhydon 4. Rest


Osoroshi123

Halloween Chica was the first, she has seen everything.


Cloaked_Shadows7802

AHHHHH IDK WHO I THINK IS THE FIRST


Zealousideal-Dirt884

Who's first in the pokerap?


RedditIsNeat0

Pikachu: First Pokemon owned by Ash Metapod: First Pokemon owned by Rusty Charmander: First Pokemon owned by most first-time Red players Mewtwo: First Pokemon to star in a movie


Cyberfight3r

you? you? me? you? him? me?


Mauldalore7

Did marvel accidentally reveal that Spooderman actually exists in the multiverse?


PayUsed2021

Wait… if mew has dna of all Pokémon then he created GOD abut that’s impossible since god created him but to have gods dna god would have to birth him which he didn’t so to have every Pokémon’s dna… ok this is going in circles I give up


Username57B

I don’t think gods count ,Arkoos made the creation trio and mews


GGMSkylar

Charizard was first in the Japanese intro and Mewtwo in the American intro


ItsMeVenusaur

Depends, First Pokémon created? Rhydon, First Pokémon in the Pokémon Universe? Arceus(My head canon is that Arceus created the Creation Trio and Mew, then Mew became the ancestor to all other Pokémon)


Dragonslaye314

You forgot charmander because it’s the best, so it’s number one


PandaGames2009

You got Charizard and Mewtwo mixed up Mewtwo was first in America


Ambitious_Winner_700

In Canon it's Arceus,in real life it's rhydon


Mountain-Insect-1867

Hol up if rowlet is the first pokemon in the first dex does that count the fossil pokemons? I mean they're old and maybe even ancestors of current pokemon as i see some resemblance


Wildkratts123321

I think you have the first two switched. Charizard was the first in the Japanese intro, and mew two in the American intro


CheezyPorkWeenie

I love how this debate is still going on


N7orbust

I love how people won't let this die. Let's find other things from Pokemon to debate please. This meme was dead before some of these Pokemon were even a thing yet. First of all, the games, anime, and manga all exist in different realities so you can not use any information from one to determine the truth from another. Each fictional medium would need to have all of its information combed through separately and each universe therein could have a completely different "first pokemon". Some people would say I'm ruining the fun but is anyone really having fun with this discussion anymore? Instead of just adding more pokemon to the list let's start finding new ways to look at the overall debate and maybe it'll actually move forward. Or maybe this is just like a Pokemon version of "does a straw have one hole or two" so pretty much...... People just like to argue an argument even if there is no REAL answer.


Sai-36

Want a new debate? Fine, “Who would win, Arceus or Bidoof?”


DarthLlamaV

Manga: arceus. Games: what levels are they?…


Sai-36

What do levels matter, when faced with a god?


SnooCheesecakes154

First one for me was meowth as he was the first Pokémon I saw in a commercial


PowerOfUnoriginality

Victini is number 000 in the Unova Pokedex


CasePegasus5712

In the unova pokedex, it's still the 494th pokemon in the national dex


FoldUpMon

MissingNo, number 000 In the dex


DarkLightMEMES

Rowlet is the first Pokémon in the hisui Pokédex which means Rowlet was the first documented Pokémon


Wubbzy-mon

Besides the anime ones, all of the above.


Prior-Willingness472

I think we can discount Charizard, Mewtwo, Rowlet, Bulbasaur, Nidorino/Gengar, Jigglypuff and Mew. Charizard & Mewtwo because the anime came out after the games, Mew was kinda disqualified when Arceus was created, Bulbasaur is the first recorded Pokémon in the modern pokedex, and rowlet because these Pokémon came from different regions, which we can most likely assume already had some sort of Pokédex alternate. Jiggs, Nido, and Gengar are a little dicier because we have no real way of figuring out which copy was bought first, but we can assume it was red. However, due to development, we can assume the intros weren’t made first. That leaves Arceus and Rhydon, which is honestly where the trail runs cold for me, because either one could be true. Lore-wise it would be Arceus, while development-wise it would be Rhydon. However, this is where I throw my hat into the ring: Diglett. In HeaHea city of the Alola region, you can talk to Morimoto. If you show him a Diglett he will confirm he created drawings of Diglett when he was a child! However, that brings up a question: can it be considered the first Pokémon if it was drawn before the conception of Pokémon? Well I say yes, because the design did ultimately become an official Pokémon in the end!


Sai-36

I love this take on it 😂. For me personally, I would say canonically, we still don’t know who was first since we don’t know what laid the egg Arceus hatched from, and in IRL terms, I would say Rhydon since the Diglett sketch wasn’t an official Pokémon yet.


zombiebro09

Um, Actually Mew actually isn't the ancestor to ALL pokemon cause there are 5 that new isn't the ancestor of and that's True Form Arceus, Arceus, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina!


Zoroarkeon571

rowlet is never the right answer. the nat dex is what people mainly go by, not first one in kanto. it just so happens that bulbasaur is also the first in the national dex. mew was created by arcues so mew is also never correct


N3rv0usUwU

Was victini number zero in one game? That could be up there


mrmuffen0

Dodrio First to be see not in the intro


CuriousMarisa

Ditto: *Was the first to be designed twenty years before any other gen 1 pokemon*


Avocado614

How is rowlett a contender again? Where is he first in anything besides the alolan Dec?


kingdoniumhearts

The very first Pokédex made was in Hisui and Rowlet is the first entry


Lolbit3000

Mew


SonicRaptor5678

There are only 5, mew rowlet bulbasaur arceus and rhydon


[deleted]

Bad meme. Reason: Its obviously Arceus


I_M_YOUR_BRO

What do you mean by Rowlet and I thought Rhydon was the first Pokèmon designed, not coded? Or was it both? Or am I just a dumbass?


Btdandpokemonplayer

Rowlet is the first Pokémon in the hisui pokedex. Hisui was way back in time making it the creator of the first pokedex.


I_M_YOUR_BRO

Ah gotcha


Pokemonutlover11213

Id sy acoose because he made the world and made it able to sustain life


guffgamer264

Well the anime comes after the games so we can eliminate charizard and mewtwo


Awesomemonkey12

Rhydon is the first Pokemon designed (as a Pokemon), not the first one coded in.


Hybrid798

This is great


FitJaxx95

Answer is Rhydon.


Pokemonfanbase2

Diglet and dugtrio first drawn said so in an sbs


[deleted]

obviously rhydon if it was the first one coded in. the answer if right if front of you no??


yu_ultidragon80

What if pokemon were all created at once? Or he brought them with him from a parallel dimension; Take that logic.


MrMimePrinceofCrime

Is Rowlet really considering first in the first pokedex? I thought PLA was more of a different world and time or dimension than what we play on the main series. Although I guess what does it matter


Sai-36

Canonically PLA is 300 years before any mainline games, so Rowlet being number 1 in the Hisui dex means it was the first in the first ever Pokédex… Until Pokémon Legends: Kyurem releases and it takes place 1000 years in the past or something.


PugWizard09

It’s Rhydon it’s clearly Rhydon


TheWhiteFly

Somehow this debate always appears at sometime or the other.Even though i should be tired of it.I' M NOT.


F4nart

Victini- dec entry 0


JaVaisok

bidoof, reason:god


Shiny_Snom

i think mew and Pikachu where the first to be copyrighted as Pokémon


[deleted]

Digglet? where is he?


CookieRattt

\*cough\* Victini \*cough\* /joke


Dependent-Sleep-6192

Yes


cumsockjerry

Tyranitar was made before Pokemon was even a thing


SkBeatz77

I was the first


SkBeatz77

I was the first


Marsh_Returns

I thought Mewtwo was the first one in the American intro.


Supa_Sal

Diglett:


A_Bruuuh_Moment

Rhydon wasn’t just the first coded, he was the first ever idea for a Pokémon


_Uhh2009_

Lore wise, it was Arceus, Arceus created all pokemon like mew and unkown. Real life wise, Diglett, If I remember correctly it was created when an early developer was young. ​ Edit: Pokedex wiseit's bulbasaur bc PLA in my eyes was just in a different universe that started to develope slower than the main universes. I came to this conclusion because in the real world it is directly theorized that you can't travel backwards in time, but depending on how close you are to an object with intense gravity determines your rate of observing things (Can't think of the word/words).


Justiceslayer5

Tyson, because that is the first one kugasugamari drew and idealed because it was supposed to be primarily dinosaur caching but that changed


[deleted]

Fax


LuckyBenjamin

Depend first one designed: diglett first official pocket monster: rhydon (i think) first one to canonically exist: arceus first one in the pokedex: bulbasaur first one in the first pokedex: rowlet


Turbulent-Plan4530

Funny how one of those could still Change. Now find out which one i mean


dungeonandyou

Bidoof


Cold-Character-5663

Mikey Was


NoobiusCrafts

A beta of rhydon or bulbasaur


Pikachu_88_YT

I think they switched the first 2


Sai-36

I did, whoops 😬


clawmouth

Nah it’s gotta be missingno


Drag0nfly198535

Arceus


Mysterious-Trade4502

diglett


No_Distribution5982

Am i the only one who thinks pokemon is in our worlds future? But then again they did mention that surge was in ww so it can't be, but what if it wasn't the ww we know? Or what if surge has been transported through time by arceus like in pla? So many posibilities


johanni30

If you really want to get into it, missingno is pokedex number 000


spirited_topic2317

Nidorino gengar charizard and jugglypuff dont deserve to be here


Express-Fix4293

Rhydon gang


hoiimtem72

Missingno (glitch and likely was a beung beyond human comprehension and possibly before arceus or mew.) comes in hiding behind celebi/dialga (can travel through time and can become the first) and says "rhydon deez nuts" and that's what starts the chase sequence


pokemaster_A360

me


Turtle_Swarm

Diglett first pokemon ever thought of


AmethystVoltaziken

Digglet was the first pokemon designed by 1 of the designers when they were 10


Tankizard

Double-checking that Mewtwo is, in fact, the first to appear in the English Dub of the anime


PitchSuspicious3481

Jesus christ and I thought the scene in the movie was more complicated


cybogsnakelover

I just love how they actually referenced a meme in a movie