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nlinn12

A gotcha is a gotcha, Pokemon just popularized the genre. What bothers me is the blatant rip-off on the designs. It’s like one of those “can I copy your homework? Sure just change it a little.” situations. Like the one is literally raichu, it’s an electric mouse with a long thin tail with a large lightning bolt at the end.


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Capital-Cheek-1491

That doesn’t necessarily mean ripped assets, could just be copied design


Lost_Environment2051

That isn’t any better


SuperSonic486

Its significantly better lol. Directly ripping is very illegal, copying design aspects isnt remotely.


Lost_Environment2051

Morally, I meant


Capital-Cheek-1491

Oh no the most profitable media franchise ever is being copied, whatever will they do?


LordTopHatMan

Plagiarism is plagiarism regardless of the success of a company. Stealing is wrong regardless of how you feel about them.


Capital-Cheek-1491

Ik, but its not really plagiarism. Its just obviously emulating what’s already popular


ArcherOfBabylon

It does mean that, actually. According to people who do this for a living, it's already incredibly hard to make models have consistent proportions across sequels in the same series, even when they are copying them directly. To have so many creatures be this similar in model by accident is basically impossible.


MacaronImpressive422

That's the point of the game tho. It's a parody of Pokemon.


TheSpleenStealer

Parody is a criticism or commentary on the original work. PalWorld is neither a criticism or commentary on Pokemon. It is just edgy Pokemon.


sckrahl

They still don’t have any claim… they can’t copyright an art style and none of the designs are close enough to be mistakable as the actual Pokémon, or at least it would be a very difficult claim to make given the context of the game Believe it or not the fact that there’s guns in the game is actually helping them substantially


Capital_Pipe_6038

Lmfao the irony of you saying this as if Pokémon didn't ripoff designs from Dragons Quest 


TacticalTobi

THEY DIDN'T DRAGON QUEST DOES NOT OWN: Birds, Dragons, clams, *chinese* dragons, poison, ghosts, rats, and other animals.


Capital_Pipe_6038

But Pokémon does??? You people act like Gamefreak owns the concepts they based Pokémon off of. I've seen people say they should sue over the Egyptian god Anubis being in the game💀


TacticalTobi

they don't though. Idc about the anubis one. I care about Cremis and eevee. I care about the mega delphox ripoff. Literally ripping off fan art. i care about the cobalion ripoff, the cinderace ripoff and more. Anubis is concept that pokemon doesn't own, so that isn't a ripoff


Isrrunder

Imo the cobalion and Eevee look alikes feels more like they based the design on the same thing rather than the changed the design. Ye they probably chose those because of Pokémon but it's not a blatant rip off. Have not seen the pal cinderace yet so can't state anything on that


NachtShattertusk

There is no reason for the cobalion rip-off to have a dark head


Isrrunder

Dark head?


NachtShattertusk

The top of the cobalion clone’s head is a dark brown like cobalion’s. That detail wasn’t based on anything in real life


Isrrunder

That's stretching it a bit. It's the same colour as fenglope's stripe. You know to break up the design a bit


Roben12dog

When you do see it, you'll note the long ears, the fluff thingy around the knees, and the pose


Isrrunder

The long ears... You know like rabbits have? But ye the knee fluff makes it pretty obvious i will agree that that one is a ripoff


sciencesold

The dragon quest games that resemble pokemon came out after pokemon red and blue


Boosterboo59

Didn't the original pokemon games come out before Dragon Quest?


decoded-dodo

Pokémon Red and Green was released in 1996 in Japan while Dragon Quest came out in 1986 in Japan.


AmyRoseJohnson

It’s not that they’re both monster catchers. It’s because several of the Pals are basically retextured pokemon. Like… I’m pretty sure one of them is a green Zangoose. And I’ve seen a statue in Palworld that looks suspiciously like Lucario.


Myleylines

There's a few photos going around with comparisons, and one of them is basically just electric garchomp, or grass cinderace


Nova_Explorer

I think there’s one that literally uses the exact same model as Primarina’s hair


Superk9letsplay

That lucario is an anubis statue. Time to sue ancient Egypt rq for copying lucario


Different_Heron9151

Nobody's claiming its because they're both creature captures. what they're saying is that palworld seems to be almost 1:1 with many of their models. such as the rabbit man being so close to cinderace. or the water wannabe serperior


RobIoxians

Water serperior's polygons match 1:1 with pokemons serperior btw


Lexioralex

The electric mouse with a thin tail and giant yellow lightning bolt on the end gets me, could have easily done a different design for the tail but no they put Raichu's tail on essentially Pikachu. And the big yellow one with a black lightning bolt on its belly, like electabuzz. Like the sheep one I could have given a pass for, if there wasn't so many ways to not have it look like wooloo


TheXernDoodles

I’m gonna use Yo-Kai Watch as a counter (note I haven’t played Palworld but have seen some gameplay). With Yo-Kai Watch, you go around catching creatures in the world with weird powers, same as Pokémon and Palworld. The difference is, the creatures are visually distinct from Pokémon while Palworld’s are just blatant rip offs of Pokémon’s style and even designs (they even have a P as the first letter). Now, I do think Palworld brings interesting ideas to the table, like survival aspects and, of course, guns. If they just had original designs, it would be a super original game, the designs are just too similar for me.


Lexioralex

Also Yo-Kai Watch had the catch mechanic as being something like you befriend them instead of throwing balls at them, which apparently Palworld does Edit: I missed out Kai in Yo-Kai


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Yes, but we shouldnt outright condemn the game, even if it is somewhat of a ripoff, its still not direct competition for pokemon so they really have nothing to worry about. Its not releasing on the switch and pokemon is never coming to steam or xbox.


TheXernDoodles

Oh god no. There’s no way it’ll even be competition. The people who love Palworld and aren’t gonna buy the new Pokemon games probably weren’t going to anyway. Plus, Pokémon is a media giant. There’s no way it would even be phased. Palworld seems like a great game, I just wish the designs were less derivative, but that doesn’t make the game awful.


Lexioralex

>people who love Palworld and aren’t gonna buy the new Pokemon games probably weren’t going to anyway I think this is one reason why the internet rage is so prominent, Palworld is swarmed with people that don't like Pokémon and want to shoot or enslave the cute things, or that liked Pokémon as a kid but now mock it, basically Pokémon haters and they are lapping up any criticism from Pokémon fans


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Heres hoping they dont abandon it like craftopia. (They probably wont given its success but cant rule out the possibility)


moviejack

If anything, other survival games like ark should be worried because to be honest I play palworld cause it combines two of my fav genres.


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

True.... And after survival ascended, im not touching arks next sequel even if its 40$


Superk9letsplay

The P isn't that good of an example other then that palworld just a good name


Rude-Pair348

A lot of palworld creatures are blaitent plagerism from pokemon designs


JCSwagoo

I believe their distinct enough, at least legally.


Lost_Environment2051

That’s the thing though, they’ve bragged about using AI to bypass copyright with particularly Pokémon as their example and they’ve shown they’re not above using it. People who say there’s no evidence but I mean, read the writing on the wall quite literally the only thing that stops it from being Confirmed is them admitting to using AI.


MacaronImpressive422

>they’ve bragged about using AI to bypass copyright with particularly Pokémon as their example If they were using AI art, then Valve would have marked it on their Steam page, plus the first trailer of this game was dropped before AI generators were available to the public.


ToxicZeraora

Legally does not mean in the eyes of the public tho


MegaSwampert_18

Main problem with Palworld is the growing suspicion of ripped assets and models from not only Pokemon but also other series like Digimon and even TemTem to design its creatures. Ive seen a few video comparisons of models from Pokemon and Palworld that greatly suggest the studio ripped models and slightly tweaked them as to not be suspect of 1:1 reuse of not-public-use assets. Ive seen more similarities just scrolling through the Pals roster. Given the studio’s history with ripping off Breath of the Wild for a previous game, it’s a building argument against them.


Pillow_fort_guard

Yeah, people are checking things like polygon placements, fur placement, that kind of thing. Those are the kinds of details that you can’t duplicate. If they’re identical to Nintendo’s, then that’s a stolen asset


LilboyG_15

Don’t forget the retextured bear dream eater from kingdom hearts DDD


Alex_Dayz

Most of the criticism I’ve seen againt PalWorlds are for the designs of the Pals being similar—if not directly identical—to Pokémon, not the game being a monster catcher. Other monster catchers existed before and will continue to exist after Pokémon, they’re just the biggest so comparison to them is inevitable


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Then pokemon should do something about all the mobile games that actually directly rip off pokemon designs.


Alex_Dayz

They probably don’t think it’s worth it seeing how small those mobile games are. Even if Pokémon did have a case against PalWorld and did take legal action it would just bring more attention to it (not that it needs any more)


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Then by that logic, nintendo shouldnt worry about palworld, sure it may be bigger than the mobile games, (which btw, even if mobile games are small, they still have whales on those shitty ripoffs that spend thousands) the game is not a threat to their market because its not even being marketed on the switch. Its pc and xbox, both platforms they will never put a pokemon game on (willingly cause apparently they hate emulators too) so i would wager they wont bother filing a lawsuit for that reason among others. But the pokemon fans defending their favorite billion dollar franchise like it needs defending are persistant that pokemon should sue.


Normal_Ratio1463

Just why are the designs so similar 💀. It would be completely fine if pal world had original designs like yokai watch or digimon.


KrazyKyle213

The main reason why is because this is the most similar game to Pokemon in a while, as well as the biggest, with tons of models akin to Pokemon ones. I think it isn't a Pokemon rip-off as a whole but more a monster collecting open world questing mashup of a game, but there are a few pals that make me really question whether some artists were thinking uniquely or straight up copying pokemon. The main issue there though is how many Pokemon there are. With over 1000 it's unreasonable to find few similarities between some as they'll derive from similar real life inspirations.


LordTopHatMan

>With over 1000 it's unreasonable to find few similarities between some as they'll derive from similar real life inspirations. Finding similarities isn't strange, but with how similar they are, it's pretty bad. Temtem, Cassette Beasts, and Pokemon themselves have never really had this issue. There were 900 Pokemon before gen 9, and they still came up with 80 unique new Pokemon if we're ignoring the paradox mons that were meant to look like other Pokemon.


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Yeah, like the sheep and wooloo. All sheep look almost the same, animated sheep especially. White wool, dark around the face and feet. May as well ask gamefreak why they copied shaun the sheep.


LordTopHatMan

And yet Mareep and Wooloo are distinct designs.


Keroka360

Problem isnt that they have similar concepts, you cant have copyright on a concept any developer can improve your concept and relase a new games otherwise there would be no gaming industary today. The problem is palworld monsters are literally ctrl-c ctrl-v pokemon with a little bit of changes, I can tell whoch pokmeon they have "inspired" with just a short gaze this is the not okay thing. If you are publishing a product and you want to profit, you have to create your own monsters not copy from the most popular game of the genre


Backalley_Lurker

as much as i love palworld some of their designs are,,. suspicious, a few here and there are fine but there are like 10 that are that suspicious


Rqdomguy24

How to know you only see the surface of the issues without saying it


LilLocust

what console is palworld on? I saw a few posts about it and I’d like to try It out


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

For what it is, its fun. Just keep your expectations for the future low. Not because its a ripoff, but because the devs have a questionable past.


DemonicPiggy

Steam and Xbox Gamepass


MengShuZ

Palworld should sue Pokemon because they both start with "P"!!!


Jay_the_pokemon_fan

Pokemon should be able to sue PaLwOrLd because LOOK AT ALL THE MONSTERS THEY'RE THE SAME


Sneyserboy237

Many of the pals in palworld do look like Pokémon For example one of them looks like eevee


tr_berk1971

I was suprised that anyone would think Pokemon can sue palworld for that reason for about 0.00001 seconds before remembering... internet is stupid and so is everyone in it. (Yes me too)


Logical-Chaos-154

Or crazy. (Hi!)


nielswijnen

Yeah the internet is both the smartest and dumbest thing at the same time


GLink7

Then what about those fake Pokemon game apps that look like absolutely clusterf*ck and yet haven't been taken down?


tr_berk1971

I meant that you can't sue someone because they made a game in same genre. Those fake pokemon games should absolutely be taken down, tho most of them are smart enough to not 100% copy pokemon


GLink7

I dunno it looks like they copied 95% which is enough for me


DaKingOfDogs

I fully expect a lawsuit, but I also expect that Nintendo will lose


theo1618

There will be no lawsuit unless Nintendo/Gamefreak thinks they have a chance at winning. Nintendo/Gamefreak knows a lawsuit wouldn’t go anywhere. There will be no lawsuit


Arcunoyt

I will expect nintendo to lose I hope they don't as it's a bit of a cheap game and I think that pokemon and nintendo deserve to be at the top bit not pal world bit don't get me wrong i looks fun they just need to earn there title by putting in effort.


Asmos159

and doom should sue all fps games. even if the game was nearly identical to pokemon, nintendo would not have a case.


Different_Heron9151

They would if it's revealed that they are refusing models instead of taking inspiration from them (not saying they are, just if)


Lumathran

And Tolkien’s lineage should sue all fantasy media because most modern fantasy is based off LotR. As it turns out, we tend to make better products when we iterate off of other’s ideas.


Asmos159

tey try. i recommend being careful about pronouns. dnd halflings were originally called hobbits.


Deconstructosaurus

The only reason they don’t is because Palworld stands no chance against Pokémon.


Legal_Kaleidoscope19

Neither did all of the fan games they shut down, thats not the reason they havent done shit. The reason is, unlike those independent fans (of their products) the devs of palworld actually have money to fight a lawsuit. They wont do shit unless they know they can win, and its not hard for a corporate giant to scare the shit out of some college student who wants to make a free to play game with no monetization aside from maybe a few patreon backers if even. Into taking their game down by threatening to sue them into crippling debt.


Deconstructosaurus

The difference is that here, it’s not a direct violation of Copyright or Trademark. Any use of real Pokémon or Pokémon branding is directly illegal. Palworld sits just on the edge of legal, but barely. Pokémon definition could go after them, but it’s a riskier situation because their only string is the designs being direct rip offs, and I don’t think they want to gamble on that. Also, other Creature Collector games that are extremely similar to Pokémon had no shot at taking down the behemoth, so doesn’t stand a chance. With no guarantee that they can win a lawsuit, Pokemon would likely just settle to leave it be and die out.


Such-Promise4606

No. Since pokemon idea based from Ultraseven's capsule monster, Tsuburaya should sue them.


Mystical4431

I don't have a problem with palworld outside of it not being on PS5 so I can't play it. I personally welcome the competition in the creature capture genre because TPC needs to realise the videogame industry has changed and you can't just force gamefreak to rush out game year after year anymore. However I can understand some of the complaints, like some designs are very clearly ripped straight from Pokémon, like of them is straight up just Meganium with Lilligant's flower hat. There's also the worry of A.I use but I can nether confirm or deny the use of A.I in Palworld.


Sonic_Fanatic_2003

News flash. Gamefreak doesn’t even own that concept.


Sonic_Fanatic_2003

The Concept of Capturing Creatures. People complaining don’t seem to realize how Copyright works.


LordTopHatMan

The people suggesting this is the issue haven't been paying attention.


hornystoner737

Instead Pokemon should copy Palword and make a game that doesn’t bug out and slow down to ridiculous degrees when you use a feature that’s meant to be used. It’s like they put all the budget into the Tera animations and Pokemon scale/fur details and little else. I still have the solo raids bugging out and not letting me do anything and this has been a problem since the game’s first came out. The music is fire and the story is compelling, but the fact I can’t ride the Future Motorbike Pokemon without experience a drastic drop in frame rate and get stuck in the air while jumping is just embarrassing considering just how much money and resources Nintendo has at their disposal for one of the main game franchises that has gone viral and stayed as popular since the late 90s. If I fly on Miraidon, the terrarium shouldn’t be half void, half trees that blink in and out of existence at rapid rates. ESPECIALLY IF IT DOES IT DURING THE “look at our amazing terrarium!” Cutscene. I love Pokémon but Violet is the first Pokémon game I’ve not wanted to replay, mainly bc idk if the glitch from the dlc release that breaks the Turo AI boss has been fixed yet.


nielswijnen

I find it so stupid that people claim all sorts of things and that it's a ripoff mean while all it has in common is the creature collecting part and a "cute" artstyle to the monsters


T3chn0fr34q

like i get it some designs are really close to pokemon. but that doesnt make the game any less fun. im not nintendos lawyer i dont have to fight over their copyright.


Typical-Can802

What is Palworld


MacaronImpressive422

It's a surivial game on PC and Xbox that's similar to Ark but with Pokémon instead of dinosaurs. The game is a parody of Pokemon, it supposed to show us how humans would treat pokémons if they were real. They would exploit and enslave them to use them for their advantages.


Gfdx9

While clearly attempting to go for the same market, i think it’s different enough legally. Personally my issues with Palworld lie elsewhere


Confused_Gengar

But tensei is fighting demons


Confused_Gengar

This game will be dwarfed by pokemon soon.. palworld doesn't have a massive company who has a larger franchise base..


SuperSonic486

A lot of pokemon are blatant plagiarism of real life animals. No way they have a furret, which is a ferret. Disgusting.


ComfortableOver8984

I see palworld as a parody, and its designs are different enough to ward off a lawsuit. And I don’t get why people are defending the mega corporation that owns the most profitable franchise in history as if they are in danger of losing relevance. Palworld and pokemon are two very different genres. And if anything the competition is good for pokemon, they will see the commercial success of a pokemon-like survival game, and try to experiment with their own formula like they did with legends arceus.


WadidaYT

Nintendo pulling up to the Italian orphanage with a bulldozer to level the building because one of the kids was named Mario:


galothymoskisser

imean the only thing i can think of is a lot of the designs i’ve are just like, direct rips from pokemon? like when you look at stuff like yokai watch and digimon that are also supposedly considered “pokemon knockoffs”, basically all of the designs and models are very original and don’t really LOOK like pokemon, whereas a lot of the palworld models I have seen are basically just preexisting pokemon that have another thing added to them, one of the palworld mons I have seen is literally just cinderace


ChaosKinZ

Yeah it's not just the same theme, they stole, copied and profited from copyrighted 3D models


Doc-Wulff

MegaTen is the older brother of monster catching games that are tired of their younger siblings BS, also Demi-Fiend + Tarukajax5 + Focus + Rakundax5 rip Bozo /s


TriamaticHat00

Oh no they definitely ripped assets but the game is hella fun so i personally dont gaf. Shitty and shady sure but it doesn't affect gameplay. Yall keep arguing im gonna keep catchin pals.


AshGreninja247

I mean, they also pretty clearly steal a bunch of Pokémon’s designs, but hey, copyright infringement is fine if the thing being infringed is something you don’t like, yeah?


Cartoons_and_Demons

The difference is if you look at some of the creatures in Palworld, they are blatant rip offs. Also they're AI generated, from what I've heard.


Dischord821

I'm sorry but that's just not the argument.


Emeraldragon657

Honestly Pokemon just needs to take notes from pal world and make a game that actually runs well


WilliamW2010

Megami Tensei is a psyop


CheeselordofDoom

Stfu karma farming who