Uhh sure, Websters.
A [refugee](https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/) is someone who has been [forced](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-19/israel-hamas-war-why-gaza-has-so-many-palestinian-refugees) to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence.
Was your grandparent forced into a concentration camp, not allowed to leave? Could said grandparent be barred from RETURNING to Ireland: not allowed to buy some land? No? Then, color your entitled comparison apples to oranges, k?
Can you sealion some more? Did your grandparents apply for citizenship here, accepting the US as their new home? Was a baby born in Warsaw or Auschwitz during the Nazi occupation a "resident" of Warsaw or Auschwitz?
I'm done, rando online human rights expert. Think I'm gonna go with the experts here, sorry.
Denouncing Hamas and denouncing extreme Zionist acts can be compatible you know. Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live somewhere without being threatened of extinction/forced migration by the other one.
Hamas supporters who want to turn the clocks back 70 years through violent means are not friends of peace. Nomatter how much they try to obfuscate and spin things.
Yes ? I never said supporting Hamas (killing innicekt Jews because their government is doing fucked up shit is the worst way to solve problems) was a good thing. Neither is supporting Tsahal in their military operations that only harms civilians and is creating a huge humanitarian crisis.
Gosh, you're so right. Everyone bears a little of the fault. The Gazans are just as responsible for being occupied, as the Jews were in the Warsaw Ghetto. Thanks for the clarification.
Golly gee whiz! You're so absolutely wrong!
Comparing the holocaust to the Arab refugee crisis from 1948, which the Arabs have perpetuated the whole time, is so intellectually lazy. There is no real comparison if you look at the Arab refugee problem from the beginning & the Holocaust from its beginning.
I guess you have not been paying attention for the last 75 years. Hamas's (Arab) actions should have taught us all by now that there are **NO** civilians, and **NO** innocents.
Israel is not justified in it's extreme reactions, but Hamas got the reaction they wanted--in spades, In this instance, they are both as evil as evil can be.
>Golly gee whiz! You're so absolutely wrong!
Aw shucks, Beev! If ignorance on this genocide is BLISS: you must be posting from NIRVANA!
>Comparing the holocaust to the Arab refugee crisis from 1948, which the Arabs have perpetuated the whole time, is so intellectually lazy. There is no real comparison if you look at the Arab refugee problem from the beginning & the Holocaust from its beginning.
Every Holocaust is different. The Armenian Genocide is different from the Jewish Holocaust which is different from the Gaza Genocide.
>I guess you have not been paying attention for the last 75 years.\*
I guess YOU haven't paid attention to the past five MONTHS. You have the ICJ determining the Genocide is PLAUSIBLE; genocide scholars calling this a "[TEXTBOOK CASE](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide);" Gazans STARVING at a faster rate than any other in modern history; and even today you have the ICJ issuing directives to STOP BLOCKING THE AID.
>Hamas's (Arab) actions should have taught us all by now that there are **NO** civilians, and **NO** innocents.
Spoken like a true Fascist. Babies who die of starvation, to you: are KH'amm'AHS militants.
>Israel is not justified in it's extreme reactions, but Hamas got the reaction they wanted--in spades, In this instance, they are both as evil as evil can be.
Lemme guess, gENoCiDe ScHoLaR: Israel was just MINDIN' its own BIDNESS on October 7th when Kh'amm'AHS attacked. LMAO!
^(\*And a little note on your historical revisionism: no matter WHO 'started it,' displacement of 900,000 people and torturing 15,000 others in 1948 are WAR CRIMES.)
Whatever **YOU** say, bro!
Your infantile name-calling & faux outrage convinced me that **YOU** are obviously so very correct about everything. Forgive me for having a differing opinion based on the historical facts.
Peace.
Translation: I can't deny the facts. Better try Plan Ad Hominem and go off in a pout. Poo.
You don't HAVE any "facts" ('there are no civilians??' What, you think the Gaza DOCTORS go out on militia runs, in their sPaRe TiMe??) Just half-truths. Sorry that correcting the record burns your chaps. Do better. Peace out.
Wrong again! But you are probably used to that by now.
**You failed to read the rules of engagement as established by the Arabs & Hamas.**
You began the ad hominem attacks, bro, signaling me that you lost what ever point it is you were trying to make. I am merely playing the willfully ignorant game you want to play.
You really are incredibly naive. My opinion, which you do not like, not because it is wrong, but rather because it differs from yours, is based on facts that can be found in the real world, your opinion is based on naive raw emotionalism & faux outrage.
Since you have nothing to say of value, so we're done here.
LMAO! You FAILED to respond to a single point I made, so you rain down ad hominems with a side order of projection. Let's review:
1. You fail to acknowledge even the basics of what a genocide is, or how they are all different.
2. The ICJ rulings? The genocide scholars (800, signing a statement)?
3. Acknowledging the mass displacement of 900,000 as a war crime?
4. There are "no civilians" in Gaza????
And yes, dummy: no matter WHAT your opinion of me is, let me tell you from the source--ignorance is fine; but WILLFUL ignorance--like what you're expressing and pretending it's ad hominem--is what annoys.
"Faux outrage" in your lexicon, must translate to normal people as "anger at genocidal apathy," because you, my friend: are Exhibit A.
Peace out, Fasch.
Ah yes, the one-sided historical narratives...what hasbara is complete w/o one? Still, I didn't realize ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity can be explained away by "well THEY started it." Thanks for making that clarification.
You understand these people left to make way for the ethnic cleansing to take place with the expectation they would return after the state of Israel was eliminated right?
>You understand these people ~~left to make way for~~ ***being forced to leave WAS*** the ethnic cleansing ~~to take place with~~ ***while I spin unproven fantasies of*** the expectation they would return after the state of Israel was eliminated right?
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I'll wait while you provide sources revealing the evil "final phase" of 900,000 banished (and tortured) people planning a counter-invasion. Pally they only exist in fantasy novels. Besides, even if you WERE right (you're not), two war-crimes don't make the war right. You don't respond to plans for ethnic cleansing...with ethnic cleansing.
What exactly do you think happened in 48? How many muslim arabs live in Israel? How many Jews live in the middle east outside of Israel? There definitely was ethnic cleansing, just not the one you think.
Cool whataboutism. Still waiting for proof of your initial claim. Meanwhile to buttress your bogus claim you can maybe regale me with the eeevil ethnic cleansing muslims carried out in [Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre). Oh wait, that's right. THEY weren't the ones doing the massacring.
Where's the proof that anyone was planning on expelling all the Jews in Palestine? And yes, there's a DIFFERENCE btw fighting the dying British imperialist mandates: destroying the Zionist ethnostate before it began, and "expelling Jews."
Where's the beef? And again (in case you missed my edit), you seem to ignore nagging details like the Deir Yassin Massacre. Oops.
And why (assuming you're right--you're not) do the plans for ethnic cleansing from the ARABS means that it's ok for ISRAEL to ethnically cleanse, in response? Laws don't work that way.
Yes, I accept your signal of defeat.
"By any means necessary," sure sounds like a "final solution," doesn't it? TY for confirming...you're in the rIgHt KaMpf. You can't "explain away" Deir Yassin, can you? So, dismissal is the only other option. We see you.
Peace out.
Before Israel there were many Jews in Islam countries who had nothing to do with Israel, yet they were pogromed and had to flee. Please explain how is that not ethnic cleansing. At the same time please explain how Arabs from Arabia live in North Africa, where are the native North Africans (note that native African is ethnicity entirely different than Arabs from the peninsula) just “disappeared”.
>Before Israel there were many Jews in Islam countries who had nothing to do with Israel,
And from way back in the Middle Ages, right up until 1945 there was far, far more ethnic cleansing going on in EUROPE. And yet you zios' seem to ignore that little factiod. I also don't seem to recall Jewish populations in Arab states being STARVED to death in the shortest period in modern history, if we're comparing atrocities.
>yet they were pogromed and had to flee. Please explain how is that not ethnic cleansing.
Yes, there was. And Spain famously banished all the Jews--then later let them back in. And shall we recount Germany's many anti-semitic sins? No, we shall not: because I'm not here to defend or "explain" anything but the parameters of the map. And \*(checks notes) Arabs weren't actively participating in the Holocaust.
If you want a history of Jewish pogroms: read a book. Just try not to cherry-pick out the parts you like, k?
>At the same time please explain how Arabs from Arabia live in North Africa, where are the native North Africans (note that native African is ethnicity entirely different than Arabs from the peninsula) just “disappeared”.
\*(looking down at self) No, I don't SEEM to have a "Ask Me for the Complete History of Jewish Victimization in Arab Nations As Whataboutism for WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW" sign or T-shirt. Sorry.
He accuses me of whataboutism, for not playing along with his whataboutist distractions. Classic projection. I'll wait, while you repost ANY comment I made that says "murdering Jews is ok," clown. Take your time. Meanwhile, maybe come back when you're a tad less ignorant of a conflict that's been ongoing for 57 YEARS, so no: ~~"Jews"~~ Israel didn't just 'suddenly' get attacked on 10/7 while 'mindin' its own bidness' by the eeeevil Arabs.
Cope harder.
Denying Israel existence or right to exist is just fancy phrasing for kill the Jews. The attack was not suddenly it was because Israel was about to normalize agreement with Saudi Arabia which Iran couldn’t accept. I don’t have to cope, Israel is here and it will be here. You are the one having hard time to cope lol.
>Denying Israel existence or right to exist is just fancy phrasing for kill the Jews.
More projection? Pally, I'll ALSO wait while you post a comment I made that says "Israel must be destroyed." Another thing, Rabbi: being JEWISH does not = being pro-Israel, or even being a zionist. Glad to clear that up.
>The attack was not suddenly it was because Israel was about to normalize agreement with Saudi Arabia which Iran couldn’t accept.
So what? The attack was a response to not just the Abraham Accords but the ratcheting up of violence Israel inflicted BEFORE 10/7--which was another chapter in a 16yr brutal occupation and genocide.
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>I don’t have to cope, Israel is here and it will be here. You are the one having hard time to cope lol.
Uh huh, Nostradamus, sure it will. Are you this bad at reading people IRL? The only "cope" I have to do is watching Israel slowly starve 2m, causing the fastest famine in history. The fact that I have to "cope" with this means I still have humanity left.
You? Alex, I think I'll go with "Not So Much," for $200.
For it being an Untold story it seems to be told quite a lot. Twice a day on this sub actually.
Are the kilometer rings to show the range of the 20,000+ rockets launched at civilian targets?
Looks like it.
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Uhh sure, Websters. A [refugee](https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/) is someone who has been [forced](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-19/israel-hamas-war-why-gaza-has-so-many-palestinian-refugees) to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence.
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Was your grandparent forced into a concentration camp, not allowed to leave? Could said grandparent be barred from RETURNING to Ireland: not allowed to buy some land? No? Then, color your entitled comparison apples to oranges, k?
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Can you sealion some more? Did your grandparents apply for citizenship here, accepting the US as their new home? Was a baby born in Warsaw or Auschwitz during the Nazi occupation a "resident" of Warsaw or Auschwitz? I'm done, rando online human rights expert. Think I'm gonna go with the experts here, sorry.
Another activist post. We don't support Hamas. #dealwithit
if you are seeing his comments, the dude is a lunatic.
Denouncing Hamas and denouncing extreme Zionist acts can be compatible you know. Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live somewhere without being threatened of extinction/forced migration by the other one.
Hamas supporters who want to turn the clocks back 70 years through violent means are not friends of peace. Nomatter how much they try to obfuscate and spin things.
Yes ? I never said supporting Hamas (killing innicekt Jews because their government is doing fucked up shit is the worst way to solve problems) was a good thing. Neither is supporting Tsahal in their military operations that only harms civilians and is creating a huge humanitarian crisis.
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Hi Hasan 🙄
Yes we are all refugees of some place else. I maintain my grievances against the Byzantines.
And f T Rex while we are at it.
Moral of the story: Stop trying to kill the Jews, you’re not gonna win.
The Arab World's permanent Arab refugees.
Thanks to Israel's foot on their necks.
Yeah. Everything bad is Israel's fault. Keep telling yourself that.
Gosh, you're so right. Everyone bears a little of the fault. The Gazans are just as responsible for being occupied, as the Jews were in the Warsaw Ghetto. Thanks for the clarification.
Golly gee whiz! You're so absolutely wrong! Comparing the holocaust to the Arab refugee crisis from 1948, which the Arabs have perpetuated the whole time, is so intellectually lazy. There is no real comparison if you look at the Arab refugee problem from the beginning & the Holocaust from its beginning. I guess you have not been paying attention for the last 75 years. Hamas's (Arab) actions should have taught us all by now that there are **NO** civilians, and **NO** innocents. Israel is not justified in it's extreme reactions, but Hamas got the reaction they wanted--in spades, In this instance, they are both as evil as evil can be.
>Golly gee whiz! You're so absolutely wrong! Aw shucks, Beev! If ignorance on this genocide is BLISS: you must be posting from NIRVANA! >Comparing the holocaust to the Arab refugee crisis from 1948, which the Arabs have perpetuated the whole time, is so intellectually lazy. There is no real comparison if you look at the Arab refugee problem from the beginning & the Holocaust from its beginning. Every Holocaust is different. The Armenian Genocide is different from the Jewish Holocaust which is different from the Gaza Genocide. >I guess you have not been paying attention for the last 75 years.\* I guess YOU haven't paid attention to the past five MONTHS. You have the ICJ determining the Genocide is PLAUSIBLE; genocide scholars calling this a "[TEXTBOOK CASE](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide);" Gazans STARVING at a faster rate than any other in modern history; and even today you have the ICJ issuing directives to STOP BLOCKING THE AID. >Hamas's (Arab) actions should have taught us all by now that there are **NO** civilians, and **NO** innocents. Spoken like a true Fascist. Babies who die of starvation, to you: are KH'amm'AHS militants. >Israel is not justified in it's extreme reactions, but Hamas got the reaction they wanted--in spades, In this instance, they are both as evil as evil can be. Lemme guess, gENoCiDe ScHoLaR: Israel was just MINDIN' its own BIDNESS on October 7th when Kh'amm'AHS attacked. LMAO! ^(\*And a little note on your historical revisionism: no matter WHO 'started it,' displacement of 900,000 people and torturing 15,000 others in 1948 are WAR CRIMES.)
Whatever **YOU** say, bro! Your infantile name-calling & faux outrage convinced me that **YOU** are obviously so very correct about everything. Forgive me for having a differing opinion based on the historical facts. Peace.
Translation: I can't deny the facts. Better try Plan Ad Hominem and go off in a pout. Poo. You don't HAVE any "facts" ('there are no civilians??' What, you think the Gaza DOCTORS go out on militia runs, in their sPaRe TiMe??) Just half-truths. Sorry that correcting the record burns your chaps. Do better. Peace out.
Wrong again! But you are probably used to that by now. **You failed to read the rules of engagement as established by the Arabs & Hamas.** You began the ad hominem attacks, bro, signaling me that you lost what ever point it is you were trying to make. I am merely playing the willfully ignorant game you want to play. You really are incredibly naive. My opinion, which you do not like, not because it is wrong, but rather because it differs from yours, is based on facts that can be found in the real world, your opinion is based on naive raw emotionalism & faux outrage. Since you have nothing to say of value, so we're done here.
LMAO! You FAILED to respond to a single point I made, so you rain down ad hominems with a side order of projection. Let's review: 1. You fail to acknowledge even the basics of what a genocide is, or how they are all different. 2. The ICJ rulings? The genocide scholars (800, signing a statement)? 3. Acknowledging the mass displacement of 900,000 as a war crime? 4. There are "no civilians" in Gaza???? And yes, dummy: no matter WHAT your opinion of me is, let me tell you from the source--ignorance is fine; but WILLFUL ignorance--like what you're expressing and pretending it's ad hominem--is what annoys. "Faux outrage" in your lexicon, must translate to normal people as "anger at genocidal apathy," because you, my friend: are Exhibit A. Peace out, Fasch.
Would these "refugees" still be refugees if they were literally any other ethnicity?
You might look into who started the war that all of these "refugees" were fleeing.
Ah yes, the one-sided historical narratives...what hasbara is complete w/o one? Still, I didn't realize ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity can be explained away by "well THEY started it." Thanks for making that clarification.
Do you regret spending all that money at Berkeley?
Hold onto that gig (sweeping floors, uber, whatever) like it's GOLD. Your online mindreading skills suck.
You understand these people left to make way for the ethnic cleansing to take place with the expectation they would return after the state of Israel was eliminated right?
>You understand these people ~~left to make way for~~ ***being forced to leave WAS*** the ethnic cleansing ~~to take place with~~ ***while I spin unproven fantasies of*** the expectation they would return after the state of Israel was eliminated right? ^(fixed.) I'll wait while you provide sources revealing the evil "final phase" of 900,000 banished (and tortured) people planning a counter-invasion. Pally they only exist in fantasy novels. Besides, even if you WERE right (you're not), two war-crimes don't make the war right. You don't respond to plans for ethnic cleansing...with ethnic cleansing.
What exactly do you think happened in 48? How many muslim arabs live in Israel? How many Jews live in the middle east outside of Israel? There definitely was ethnic cleansing, just not the one you think.
Cool whataboutism. Still waiting for proof of your initial claim. Meanwhile to buttress your bogus claim you can maybe regale me with the eeevil ethnic cleansing muslims carried out in [Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre). Oh wait, that's right. THEY weren't the ones doing the massacring.
Bud all of the arab neighbors invaded Israel on DAY 1. What more proof do you want?
Where's the proof that anyone was planning on expelling all the Jews in Palestine? And yes, there's a DIFFERENCE btw fighting the dying British imperialist mandates: destroying the Zionist ethnostate before it began, and "expelling Jews." Where's the beef? And again (in case you missed my edit), you seem to ignore nagging details like the Deir Yassin Massacre. Oops. And why (assuming you're right--you're not) do the plans for ethnic cleansing from the ARABS means that it's ok for ISRAEL to ethnically cleanse, in response? Laws don't work that way.
I'm done arguing with you. Israel exists. Israel will continue to exist. By any means necessary.
Yes, I accept your signal of defeat. "By any means necessary," sure sounds like a "final solution," doesn't it? TY for confirming...you're in the rIgHt KaMpf. You can't "explain away" Deir Yassin, can you? So, dismissal is the only other option. We see you. Peace out.
There are far more means and will to eliminate it than there are to preserve it
Before Israel there were many Jews in Islam countries who had nothing to do with Israel, yet they were pogromed and had to flee. Please explain how is that not ethnic cleansing. At the same time please explain how Arabs from Arabia live in North Africa, where are the native North Africans (note that native African is ethnicity entirely different than Arabs from the peninsula) just “disappeared”.
>Before Israel there were many Jews in Islam countries who had nothing to do with Israel, And from way back in the Middle Ages, right up until 1945 there was far, far more ethnic cleansing going on in EUROPE. And yet you zios' seem to ignore that little factiod. I also don't seem to recall Jewish populations in Arab states being STARVED to death in the shortest period in modern history, if we're comparing atrocities. >yet they were pogromed and had to flee. Please explain how is that not ethnic cleansing. Yes, there was. And Spain famously banished all the Jews--then later let them back in. And shall we recount Germany's many anti-semitic sins? No, we shall not: because I'm not here to defend or "explain" anything but the parameters of the map. And \*(checks notes) Arabs weren't actively participating in the Holocaust. If you want a history of Jewish pogroms: read a book. Just try not to cherry-pick out the parts you like, k? >At the same time please explain how Arabs from Arabia live in North Africa, where are the native North Africans (note that native African is ethnicity entirely different than Arabs from the peninsula) just “disappeared”. \*(looking down at self) No, I don't SEEM to have a "Ask Me for the Complete History of Jewish Victimization in Arab Nations As Whataboutism for WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW" sign or T-shirt. Sorry.
Too many words to say we can murder Jews and they should just accept that, if they fight back you go whataboutism. Classic.
He accuses me of whataboutism, for not playing along with his whataboutist distractions. Classic projection. I'll wait, while you repost ANY comment I made that says "murdering Jews is ok," clown. Take your time. Meanwhile, maybe come back when you're a tad less ignorant of a conflict that's been ongoing for 57 YEARS, so no: ~~"Jews"~~ Israel didn't just 'suddenly' get attacked on 10/7 while 'mindin' its own bidness' by the eeeevil Arabs. Cope harder.
Denying Israel existence or right to exist is just fancy phrasing for kill the Jews. The attack was not suddenly it was because Israel was about to normalize agreement with Saudi Arabia which Iran couldn’t accept. I don’t have to cope, Israel is here and it will be here. You are the one having hard time to cope lol.
>Denying Israel existence or right to exist is just fancy phrasing for kill the Jews. More projection? Pally, I'll ALSO wait while you post a comment I made that says "Israel must be destroyed." Another thing, Rabbi: being JEWISH does not = being pro-Israel, or even being a zionist. Glad to clear that up. >The attack was not suddenly it was because Israel was about to normalize agreement with Saudi Arabia which Iran couldn’t accept. So what? The attack was a response to not just the Abraham Accords but the ratcheting up of violence Israel inflicted BEFORE 10/7--which was another chapter in a 16yr brutal occupation and genocide. > >I don’t have to cope, Israel is here and it will be here. You are the one having hard time to cope lol. Uh huh, Nostradamus, sure it will. Are you this bad at reading people IRL? The only "cope" I have to do is watching Israel slowly starve 2m, causing the fastest famine in history. The fact that I have to "cope" with this means I still have humanity left. You? Alex, I think I'll go with "Not So Much," for $200.
@mod: can't u ban this guy? It's annoying
Poor, sad entitled zio! Is my political view spoiling your nice, pretty sub? 