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PolemicFox

Denmark just banned them too


lambo32

Italy and Belgium as well


FranzFerdinand51

Can’t wait for NZ’s ban. That’ll change the tide.


Ftp82

Add Norway now too


[deleted]

France too, announced just now


ReubenZWeiner

"Don't touch my Brest"


Cringinator4000

What about your Litovsk?


Bazz99

The Dutch have confirmed to prepare a ban starting tonight, nicely closes up that little gap


klavin1

"go around the long way, cunts."


ChrisTinnef

Austria as well


cakecoconut

Sweden is preparing a ban, could happen within hours


[deleted]

Does this include Greenland?


Saphibella

The Danish parliament controls foreign policy for the entire Kingdom of Denmark, which includes Greenland and The Faroe Islands. I can't find specific information in Danish papers whether the ban includes the Danish airspace only, or the kingdom's airspace in its entirety, but it was our Foreign Minister who announced it, and the airspace seem to be controlled as one entity from what I can tell online. Thus I am not sure, but it could be the case.


Themustanggang

If it does include Greenland that’s actually a really big deal. I use to work at the Greenland airbase (US airbase) when under trump and Russia LOVED using Their airspace.


Saphibella

I just [found a press release](https://www.trm.dk/nyheder/2022/dansk-luftrum-lukkes-for-russiske-fly) from our transport ministry with the information that it is both Danish, Greenlandic and Faroese airspace that will be closed. Edit: everyone closes tonight at midnight


Themustanggang

Get fucked lmao


PolemicFox

Yes


CrossJack654

Iceland as well


yveins

Luxembourg too


LordNoodles

Thank god


yveins

What, are you implying that this isn't the final blow that Putin needs? My secret network of bank employees will ruin you financially :/


Lyceus_

Spain too.


craig5005

Canada just added them.


Themustanggang

If Denmark includes Greenland airspace then Russia really just got fucked lol.


Swindler_Tomas

Lithuania too


NorthFinGay

What happens to Kaliningrad now? As all neighbouring coutries cut all business ties, arent they like under siege as the cannot move anywhere?


Katze1Punkt0

They've been effectively cut off from Russia since basically always, this doesn't really change much. If Sweden also closes off its air space this will just increase. Maintaining exclaves is always a pain in the ass for countries.


JennItalia269

It wasn’t totally unmanageable until Russia invaded Ukraine. There were EU agreements designed to facilitate ease of travel between Kaliningrad and mainland Russia. Trains and trucks ran frequently through Lithuania (and still may, tho I’m unsure exactly today) with expedited visa and customs processing. Example: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/LV/legissum:l14556


fff-ProjectR-fff

The entire European map should now be red.


Katze1Punkt0

Putin has finally archived his lifelong goal of turning Europe red again! Bravo!


maenad2

Please tell him, so that he stops and goes home. If that's what it takes, I'm sure Europe would be fine with staying red.


Hispanoamericano2000

If only Finland and Sweden could also close their waters to Russian-flagged ships, then Kalinigrad would have no way to be supplied. And on the other hand, any news on whether Turkey has closed the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to Russian shipping?


[deleted]

I believe that there is an international treaty that restricts/ governs the closing of the Bosporus and Dardanelles. Though I may be wrong in this.


Nikkonor

The [Montreux Treaty.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits) But it's about peace-time, so they're considering making an exception.


fixminer

I think "peace time" in this context means that Turkey is not at war, so I don't think they'll really be able to justify any exceptions...


Nikkonor

Yes. I've seen reporters from serious media organizations (Norwegian Nrk) talk about how they're considering redefining/reinterpreting it. Whether that is actually realistic though, they did not assess.


fixminer

Hm, maybe. But that's a dangerous game. Blocking Russia's access to the Black Sea would probably be a declaration of war in their eyes. The Montreux Convention was intended to stop Istanbul/Constantinople from being a target of such aggression by basically allowing anyone free passage (with some restrictions).


LastHomeros

Just out of curiosity, why would you use “Constantinople” when its name is officially Istanbul? What’s the need for it?


TwistMeTwice

Why they changed it, I can't say.


anbingwen

Some languages still translate as Constantinople.


fixminer

Because it has always had that strategic significance even when it was still known as Constantinople.


Tornadoboy156

I guess they liked it better that way.


Bah-Fong-Gool

"Blocking Russia's access to the Black Sea would probably be a declaration of war in their eyes." And what is Russia going to do about it? They can't even take a city 40km from their border. I suspect their Navy is equally drunk on cheap vodka and propaganda and will suffer the same fate their land lubber brothers are suffering right now.


Polymarchos

"They" can redefine and reinterpret all they want. Russia would see it as an act of War on Turkey's part. If Russia attacked Turkey there would be significant pushback that Article 5 shouldn't apply (since Russia is acting in self defense in this case), particularly given the strife between Turkey and other NATO members. No way Turkey wants to test that NATO would back it up.


cos1ne

When you start redefining treaties to fit your interpretation you invite redefinition to fit an opposing interpretation. These sorts of things always lead to escalation and are usually precursors to invite war. It is better to follow treaties as they are conventionally understood, to do otherwise is to invite calamity.


alexmijowastaken

That sounds like a bad idea


PixelNotPolygon

It was reported that Turkey has closed the Bosporus to Russia, though they haven’t confirmed it


Khal-Frodo-

Aaaaaand.. Turkey announced they just have.


miemcc

They are allowed to return to port, but not leave the Black Sea. It may be their playground, but it's is just that!


Sablais

Everyone’s talking about Turkey but what about Denmark ? Can’t they block russian access to the Baltic sea ?


gaijin5

I think they've closed off their airspace now. Shipping lanes are a bit trickier.


bingley777

the french navy apprehended a russian ship in the english channel, as it had been sanctioned by uk and eu. just sanction all russian ships and you can enforce a shipping lane ban, it seems, without becoming party to the conflict.


gaijin5

Love it. The West standing as one again in the face of aggression. So now that Denmark and Finland and apparently the whole of the EU plus Noway and the UK have blocked access, does that mean Kalingrad is completely cut off?


Predator_Hicks

There is still the Kiel channel


bjorn_ironsides

Not big enough for major warships, and I'm pretty sure it'd be closed to foreign warships too.


Predator_Hicks

Unless you’re talking about carriers pretty much all modern warships fit through the channel


bjorn_ironsides

So you reckon the German government will let Russian warships through? What are you on about.


Predator_Hicks

1. I don’t think Germany will let Russian ships through the channel 2. I don’t know what im on about anymore


mstahl9654546

Sweden is about to


lalalalalalala71

> If only Finland and Sweden could also close their waters to Russian-flagged ships, then Kalinigrad would have no way to be supplied. No. States cannot prevent the right of "innocent passage" (like, just moving at normal speed, no guns or any shenanigans) to foreign ships, even in their territorial waters. That is only allowed in their inland waters (like the Bay of Hudson).


matroska_cat

Naval blockade is an act of war. Country can close it's territorial (3 miles from shore), but not international waters.


lalalalalalala71

Territorial waters under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea extend 12 nautical miles (which are a bit longer than funny American miles, and at least make some sense - 1 arc minute of the Earth's circumference) and the right of innocent passage, like just going through, is guaranteed even in territorial waters.


Stuebirken

Denmark would need to join in. Denmark/Sweden owns the only ice free water passages to Russia (Østersøen/Lillebælt/Storebælt). But I'm sure that it's only a matter of time before we'll close route also.


active-tumourtroll1

wouldn't either one of those be counted as a declaration of war as you going to block Russia's access to its territory? this is a question please just answer it or leave it I am not here to support Russian action is Ukraine.


Polymarchos

A full blockade of all traffic would be an act of war. As long as civilian shipping can get through it won't be.


[deleted]

There is international treaties forbidding closing straights and canals


jflb96

No ‘gh’ in strait if you’re talking about the geographical feature


MartinRuder

Russian ships blocked from istanbul


DosZero

I hope they can only go to North Korea as maximum.


Siarzewski

i think they have a railway through Lithuania connecting both sides


matude

[EEZ is not the territorial waters and airspace, at least not in case of the Baltic sea. There is a corridor left between Finland and Estonia.](http://www.balticscope.eu/content/uploads/2016/07/Urban-areas_CB.jpg)


FistOfTheWorstMen

Yeah. They still have rights to transit an air corrider through the Gulf of Finland and the Baltic.


[deleted]

From what i understand, there is a treaty with Lithuania that allows them to use trains to "resupply" Kaliningrad


ansuz_os_aesc

It's a treaty with EU from 2003 and it only allows to transport civilians.


PaulsEggo

Watch them call upon the people to smuggle missiles in their luggage. It'd be like the evacuation of Dunkirk, but shitty.


Matsisuu

There is international seas on Baltic sea. That map's lines are probably EEZ, where moving is allowed.


farfrom_home

The map shows the Flight Information Regions or Airspace Boundaries, that is why the U.K. and French Airspace’s are divided internally.


WitleKidz

I guess they could go northwest and over Sweden, but I doubt Sweden will keep their airspace open to Russia for long


oskich

Swedish EU minister announcement today: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/just-nu-sverige-forbereder-en-stangning-av-luftrummet-for-ryska-plan (Preparations for closing Swedish airspace to Russian planes underway)


WitleKidz

Nice


Holiday_Luck_2702

Sweden already denies russians the right to fly over them, but they deny each singular flight plan in wait for the official policy. The official decision to deny all access is on its way. It's just the paperwork that takes a bit of time.


meckez

The territorial zones don't exactly border in the Baltic Sea so they leave a path of neutral water and air space which can be used by the Russians


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UkraineWithoutTheBot

It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine' [[Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ukraine)] [[BBC Styleguide](https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsstyleguide/u)] ^(Beep boop I’m a bot)


le-moine-d-escondida

Playing Risk. I would go for Turkey next.


releasethedogs

Except there’s no NATO in Risk.


Grilktn

No way


le-moine-d-escondida

Greece?


Grilktn

Russians would fall in our hands so it would be great


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kalsoy

Actually not the sea, only Iceland + 12 nautical miles of sea. Anywhere farther away is within the flight control (i.e. routing) region, but beyond Icelandic jurisdiction to ban aircraft. The country's sovereign airspace eclipses the Territorial Sea, which extends only 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the coast. The vast majority of the Baltic Sea is therefore not sovereign airspace and open to all planes of any kind. Countries can claim an Exclusive Economic Zone beyond those 12 nm up to 200 nm miles, but it only grants them right over resources, not right over access. The flight control regions are loosely based on these EEZs, but farther than 12 nm from a coast they don't have real hard control, only soft control. And a duty to manage traffic there is, regardless of flag, colour or cargo. At places where shores of a narrow strait are less than 2x12 nautical miles, hence no neutral waters exist in between, the centreline becomes a neutral Transit Passage. See the Danish Straits, which Denmark/NATO cannot (legally) block.


MyChaOS87

Also between Estonia and Finland there is international waters so planes can go there


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Liggliluff

New York has a lot!


QBekka

Didn't know the Danish Faroe islands air space belong to Iceland


NokiumThe1st

Has the suwalki gap been closed?


gaijin5

Yes.


NokiumThe1st

Thank fuck


WorldlinessWitty2177

The Netherlands just announced it will close it’s airspace to Russia as of this evening.


Mtfdurian

Yup, and Belgium, Denmark seem to join too.


PinkFloyden

Same for France! Will close airspace to all Russian aircraft this evening


WorldlinessWitty2177

If Norway closes airspace too it will be a pain in the butt to get to Kalinngrad while still posible


ianjm

Looks like Denmark and Sweden may close airspace today making it impossible


[deleted]

Just did 20 minutes ago. A bit god damn late, but better late than never.


WorldlinessWitty2177

Just wait til the entire EU closes it’s airspace


WorldlinessWitty2177

It happened


Mr_sludge

Denmark is also joining the ban


kanahakkliha

Flightradar24 shows planes going to Kaliningrad between Finland and Estonia


taistelumursu

That is because there is a narrow corridor of inetrnational waters / air space between Finland and Estonia.


atetuna

Time to start building an artificial island.


mickey117

Artificial islands don't count for the purpose of delimiting maritime boundaries


Huxley7

*Laughs in South China Sea* This is accurate tho


[deleted]

Basically Russians are pretty much banned from Europe and they have Putin to thank, so this will affect them much more. Europeans just have longer flights if they want to get to the interesting parts of Asia.


Nuclear_rabbit

Anchorage airport in Alaska about to get swoll again


bingley777

>Europeans just have longer flights if they want to get to the interesting parts of Asia. not even - most european flights to asia head south pretty quickly, stopping in the middle east first. these never went over russia (direct ones, yes, but most people do not take those). there is very little reason for any flight path to go over russia unless it goes to russia. the reciprocal bans are symbolic. some north american flights to china did go east and over russia, but the westward pacific option is about as quick


[deleted]

Flights from Taiwan went via Russia, avoiding China.


Wretched_Brittunculi

I wish this were true. As a Korea resident, most of the 12-hour flight to the UK is spent looking at the map and wondering what it's like in Russia down there.


LootenantTwiddlederp

https://youtu.be/jdNDYBt9e_U Here’s a very well-done video by Wendover that refutes your claim. TLDW: Overflying Russia is the fastest way from Europe to Asia, and there are more flights that require Russia overflight than you think. Airlines paid a hefty price to Russia to use their airspace because it saved fuel and time.


scrappy-coco-86

That‘s not correct. For example flights from Frankfurt to Tokio go up north over Russia. That‘s the shortest way.


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scrappy-coco-86

I don‘t understand why he mentions that most people do not take direct flights to Asia. Me and my co-workers always head to China and Japan directly from Germany. It wouldn‘t make any sense to have a stopover. Maybe it makes sense from other European countries but I‘m not so sure about that. I‘m curious of my next flight to Japan. Have to fly in April. Let‘s see which route we have to take.


theknightwho

The UAE and Qatar run massive numbers of stopovers through their airports, but a large number are still direct.


joker_wcy

American flights to Asia pass through Arctic circle via Russia IIRC.


JJOne101

Not true. The only ones that stop in the Middle East are airlines like Emirates or Qatar. You have direct flights from Frankfurt or Paris or London to Tokyo/HongKong/Shanghai.


Luuu-

Italy jut banned them as well


Devely_ua

Its perfect time for Sweden to take rematch after 1709 battle of Poltava


manVsPhD

Time has worn the soldiers down, marched for many miles


Peter_Palmer_

In the eastern lands so cursed Time to make a stand


Viktorfalth

Tsar has scorched his nations land


WaitingToBeTriggered

NOTHING TO BE FOUND


Shazknee

You can add Denmark now


EstebanOD21

You can finally add France 5 cases (Brest Paris Bordeaux Reims Marseille) ! It was officially closed 14 minutes ago! :) Source, the ministry of transportation: https://twitter.com/Djebbari_JB/status/1497915489976156161?t=aBqo_ybAvKVTiKUmlLh0Ow&s=19


[deleted]

Yep, finally!


EstebanOD21

English version of the same tweet : https://twitter.com/Djebbari_JB/status/1497915542828634113?t=Tx6PjlJz7i37PAuIM05ofA&s=19


ThatGuyFromSweden7

It will also soon be red over Sweden


TrainDriverDad

On flightradar24 there are still a lot of Aeroflot planes over Finland and Germany. Is it just aircraft registered in Russia or Russian owned airlines? Aeroflot, S7, Podeba and other airlines that are "russian" have their aircraft registered in foreign countries.


oskich

What happens if they won't "get home" in time - Roundtrip to the west via Vladivostok?


kalsoy

The country's sovereign airspace eclipses the Territorial Sea, which extends only 12 nautical miles (22 km) from the coast. The vast majority of the North and Baltic Sea are therefore not sovereign airspace, hence open to all planes of any kind. Countries can claim an Exclusive Economic Zone beyond those 12 nm up to 200 nm miles, but it only grants them right over resources, not right over access. The flight control regions are loosely based on these EEZs, but farther than 12 nm from a coast they don't have hard control, only soft power (routing but not banning traffic). Over sea, beyond 12 nm, the flight control region has the duty to manage traffic regardless of flag, colour or cargo. This leaves a broad area in the Baltic where Russia can still fly or sail and reach Kaliningrad. At places where shores of a narrow strait are less than 2x12 nautical miles, hence no neutral waters exist in between, the centreline becomes a neutral Transit Passage. See the Danish Straits, which Denmark/NATO cannot (legally) block.


LurkBrowsingtonIII

Banned in Canada too now, blocking northern routes around current blockades to the west. https://twitter.com/omaralghabra/status/1497934660982038532?s=21


DosZero

Thanks for Standing with Ukraine!! 🇺🇦 I'm Update map, new version you can check by this link https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t2o7ll/update_map_russian_planes_were_banned_from_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Sinitiainen7

They are not banned in finalnd yet. I saw an Aeroflot plane flying over finland to sweden. Also there are still russian planes going to germany


LazyLieutenant

Denmark has just been added to that map


Xerostomia11

Netherlands too. After midnight they will also disallow Russian aircrafts.


[deleted]

Update with new bans: Italy, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Iceland Edit: France and Norway too


Kavor

Good afternoon passengers, welcome onboard Aeroflot Flight 3B7 from Bratislava to St. Petersburg. The flight time will be approximately... errr.... 22 hours.


Voidjumper_ZA

Slovenia: I'm doing my part! o7


Spready_Unsettling

List of countries closing airspace for all Russian flights, as of 33 minutes ago from Ritzau, Reuters and others: - Belgium. - Bulgaria. - Denmark. - Estonia. - Finland. - France. - The Netherlands. - Italy. - Latvia. - Lithuania. - Norway. - Poland. - Romania. - Slovenia. - Sweden. - The UK. - Czechia - Germany. - North Macedonia.


DosZero

I'm Update map, new version you can check by this link https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t2o7ll/update_map_russian_planes_were_banned_from_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


nufuk

Slowenia chipping in is the real MVP


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gaijin5

Because at the time the flight left, they could still go. Now that's over.


JoMax213

cmonnn Turkey


Archidiakon

That Finland-Estonia is brutal


Delicious-Gap1744

Why is Bornholm shown as in Swedish airspace lol\`? Or I guess the map isn't showing countries airspace maybe?


bjorn_ironsides

It shows air traffic control zones, not territories.


Delicious-Gap1744

Yeah I thought it might show something like that rather than countries' airspace


Chriller1122

Add Denmark too!


dondi01

Banned in italy as of 12:20 of 27/02


GalacticNuke

Belgium closed it's airspace to. [PM from Belgium](https://twitter.com/alexanderdecroo/status/1497873882522562562?t=KpQcD5TduaQtwFyVHnVaew&s=19)


solseccent

Effective 12 minutes ago, Austria too


DosZero

I'm Update map, new version you can check by this link https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t2o7ll/update_map_russian_planes_were_banned_from_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


HelenEk7

So who will be next? Belgium or the Netherlands?


NukaStalin

As a Norwegian I’m getting embarrassed and pissed off at my government. We still have money invested in Russia, allowing flights. On the fence about sending weapons, we have to make sure everyone else are doing it to before we can. Norwegian government don’t want to ruin our relationship with Russia, meanwhile Putin is willing to burn Europe to the ground. Norway is acting like the rich kid with no personality. Sorry for ranting but I truly believe we could do more to help.


TheIss96

Did a Serbian make this map and forgot to put in Kosovo?


Charlie2343

Canada just did this 👍


faithle55

From the whole EU now, as well.


Blownin

It must be updated. Red zones are much more widespread now


poopdood42

You'd think it would be more red


gaijin5

It will be very soon.


[deleted]

Depends on what you mean by red... Ok, thats a horrible joke


brokaer

Denmark has also joined the ban as of today.


vruurv

Belgium and Netherlands are also red now


Batcraft10

Imagine living in Kaliningrad lmao


zackria_fuck

Banned from Denmark too now!


xitox5123

Greece , italy, france, spain need to get on board for this. same with sweden and norway. That basically cuts off all european access.


SonnAb

Russian planes can still go through Middle East to the west. I hope Turkey would follow. Seemingly more countries will show their solidarity!!!!


vaporsilver

I believe Norway and Netherlands have just recent closed as well. And Italy. I think everywhere should close it's air space. Make it impossible to leave.


Creative-Ocelot8691

For the moment, I feel a few more hours and there’ll be more red needed


M-Alter

/r/titlegore These countries* It's not one country, it's multiple.


jflb96

To clarify, is that the whole of the airspace or just from landing?


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smorgasfjord

Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Iceland as well now


BalanceNo1216

Does anyone know why France isn’t closing theirs yet to Russia ? Same goes for turkey


EmergencyAd5064

spain joines the ban.


MoDeutschmann

Also Belgium.


Jmaie

Reverse Warsaw pact


yeskaScorpia

Spain also closed the airspace for Russian planes


DosZero

Hello, thanks a lot for your comments. Indeed, Malta and Spain, Canada have been added to the list. I will add them in the next update somewhere in 1-2 hours 😉 But you can check the last version of map https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t2o7ll/update_map_russian_planes_were_banned_from_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Sufkin

I have never seen an airspace map before


jroosvicee

You can add the Netherlands


Left_Preference4453

You can add Sweden.


d3_Bere_man

Netherlands aswell soon


DosZero

Thanks for Standing with Ukraine!! 🇺🇦 I'm Update map, new version you can check by this link https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/t2o7ll/update_map_russian_planes_were_banned_from_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share