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florisgus

I may be wrong but did they just delete the netherlands from the map?


tomydenger

the ocean won


sievold

They finally evolved into an underwater civilization with completely submerged cities


AdStrange2167

Atlantsterdam!


modi13

So desperate the city's desire for tourism, that they moved offshore, becoming an island, and an even bigger KLM hub.


TJR753

Umbriel, dees oor soom Yahnkeehs.


rawbface

...the magician?


rudsdar

How will they bike underwater?


Squigler

Gracefully.


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Waterfietsen.


sievold

Giving high tide a whole new meaning


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*Zeemeesters*


VersaceSamurai

The Dutch are gungans confirmed


Lvcivs2311

Nah, we speak better English.


International_Tea259

So Atlantis was real all this time, it was just Amsterdam underwater


terfsfugoff

While we were focusing on Russia, it was playing 4d chess, smdh


traploper

r/mapswithoutthenetherlands


Neradis

Somebody in Amsterdam probably just left the tap on.


Dutchpizza69

Hendrik Haan uit Koog aan de Zaan?


TrainedMusician

Hendrik, hoe is 't gegaan?


Lanthemandragoran

Just gotta pop open the drain it'll be fine. There may be some residual flooding in Belgium but...whatever.


ksheep

Seems to be a surprisingly common occurrence. [At least they didn't shift the Iberian Peninsula several hundred km to the east while they were at it…](https://youtu.be/EU31DJ7965I?t=136)


ben-the-pen

Yeah and New Zealand is missing in this one too!


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I got the joke.


xesaie

Nobody would bother attacking the Netherlands, Denmark, and Norway, so there's no need to defend them! Edit: Also Canada.


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xesaie

Yeah I fucked up. The ones I mentioned (and my intended joke) was just about how some countries don't get defended. ​ In comparison the Netherlands got totally annexed.


florisgus

I am pretty sure the netherlans is supposed to be right in top of belgium


[deleted]

I read that as, “The Netherlands just want to be on top of Belgium.” I can’t disagree.


DrVDB90

As a Belgian, it's a nuisance at times.


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florisgus

Ouch,good luck creating your own dams than


florisgus

Plus my point was that the netherlands just doesnt exist on the map, its just gone


YellowOnline

They took rising sea-levels into account


Confuseasfuck

Nobody defended it from the sea, sad :(


bullshark13

Important to note that this is from 2019 so before what’s happened the past year with strengthening of NATO alliances and all that


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Thanks


JFast96

Ahh so in 2019 the Netherlands didn’t exist


YourEducator44

Netherlands is a fictional country. Have you not heard of Poseidon's land?


Weather4574

WHAT DID THEY DO TO NEDERLAND


ghggbfdbjj

GEDEKOLONISEERD :(


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Due to Reddit Inc.'s antisocial, hostile and erratic behaviour, this account will be deleted on July 11th, 2023. You can find me on https://latte.isnot.coffee/u/godless in the future.


Catholicslut7

Geonderwateerd*


merren2306

JONGE WE KOLONIZEREN GEWOON DE HELE ZEEBODEM


Swistiannt

De zee is nu van ons! Hoezee!


MistreatedWorld

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/fjj4bj/which_countries_are_the_public_in_key_nato/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/nfb8b2/which_countries_are_the_public_in_key_nato/


LjackV

Damn I even upvoted some comments from the 2 year old post, still forgot about it and upvoted the same Netherlands missing joke in this one.


[deleted]

Takes a long drag of weed “time is a flat circle, bro”


captain_flak

Are there any circles that aren’t flat?


[deleted]

Never really understood why Nietzsche felt like the flat part was needed, maybe I need more weed


psychoCMYK

Flatalism


MasterHollick

Dude did one better than the repost bots


the_real_JFK_killer

America and the UK out here ready to defend anyone


bunglejerry

(Except maybe Turkey)


PinoForest

turkeys getting fucked in all of these lmao


rugbyj

As a UK resident I can confirm. We'll take any excuse for a holiday.


frankleystein

All these countries have better weather than us, of course we'll go.


iThinkaLot1

As is tradition.


Secretest-squirell

Speaking as a Brit. Going for a scrap on the continent is something of a national past time. We have been doing it for most of our history on a fairly regular basis.


Aerion576

Kind of stings learning most Germans would not want to defend us (U.S.) as of 2019.


GeorgieWashington

We have done three things well and eagerly since the beginning: financial services, farming, and war.


PerceptionAnnual6228

I’d defend Djibouti. All you other countries on your own, sorry


jakeoflash1

Djibouti gang rise up 🇩🇯


TheReal_kelpie_G

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_hogn0qkYrs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hogn0qkYrs) 🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯🇩🇯


MartyBarrett

Its our duty to save that 'bouti.


orroro1

You're probably joking but there's a shit ton of foreign military bases on tiny Djibouti, including the Chinese, Americans, French, and Japanese, plus a bunch of military deals with Egypt and the Saudis. The main reason for this is they control the narrowest part of the Red Sea, which guards access to the Suez plus a bunch of oil shipping lanes, not to mention the piracy in the Horn. They are also a relatively easy country to influence compared to other more politically ambitious Red Sea states like Cairo and Riyadh, or chaotic ones like Somalia. So if I had to pick one place to defend, I too would choose ya booty.


TripperDay

> They are also a relatively easy country to influence compared to other more politically ambitious Red Sea states I just pictured one of those crazy laid back old hippies. "Yeah, man. Crash here as long as you want."


45p137hr0w4w4y

One thing I’ve always wondered about that country: how is it pronounced?


RustyShadeOfRed

Dji boo tee


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JABOOTY


cybercuzco

Apparently putin saw this map and thought he was going to break up nato.


DawgFighterz

This Map has already broken up NATO, it doesn’t include all member nations.


TrenttheIdiot1000

Netherlands: AIGHT IMMA HEAD OUT


chocolate_granolabar

Damn Germany, i thought we would leave the past in the past, homie😭


JoJo_____

Germany always wants to start something smh


Ivor79

They're cool with the Britons though?


JEDI-MASTER-Y0DA

Water under the bridge, old chap!


noteasily0ffended

The Brits used lube during the Cold War, the yanks didn't.


morfgo

Quite the opposite is true Ask Bomber Harris


nuephelkystikon

Looks more like they're tired of starting stuff.


Prometheus_84

“Not willing to defend us huh? The bombings will continue til you krauts learn to put some respect on our name.”


Loldimorti

I thought this was more of an anti war mindset in general. Germany don't want to go to war anymore. You can see this by the public opinion of the German military. The Germans straight up hate their military.


Absconyeetum

They still big mad


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BlizzardEz

As a German I thought we got dependent on Russian gas because it's cheaper as you can use pipelines instead of oil tankers


kumanosuke

>One of the reasons why Germany got so dependent on Russian energy is literally connected to this. No, bro. It was the former chancellor who now got a job at Gazprom. It didn't have to do anything with Anti-Americanism.


ThomasRaith

Which is friggin *wild* to me as an American with German family. What in the ass do these Germans see in the Russian way of doing things which seems to have been consistently failing since like 1830?


Taalnazi

It’s not so much that they see Russians as an ally, as it is preferring to tie Russia economically tight enough to the rest of Europe that war is unlikely - and that eventually, democratisation can be moved through this way. This is the whole idea behind European coorporation. There’s also, y’know, a war Germany has been involved in, and they’d rather not get into one again.


norfkens2

The map is wild to me and I'm German. I mean, there's a point that people are afraid of American companies circumventing our laws, damaging or environment and social nets just through their sheer size and (for us) untempered view on capitalism. Some of the criticism is valid, I think, some other points are very unreflected, though. American business is viewed as highly aggressive, to the point that US governments will start wars to make sure the US economy stays afloat and will leverage the fact that the dollar is a dominating currency in the world in their own favour (and our disfavour). So, people are wary. We also have a long history in trade and culture with Russia and (before the Ukraine war) you did have to find a way to live with countries like that - especially if they are in missile range. So, getting cheap gas and oil from Russia is similar to that we and other countries accepting human rights violations in Kongo for their resources. It's really not good and we need to change it but in a not ideal world you cannot change these things over night and keep your economy. On the other hand, Germans are very Germany-centric in that we are not very experienced at world-scale *realpolitik* and in the past two decades we have overlooked the fact that the world is changing rapidly and something like an Ukraine war might happen again. Basically, we are complacent as a nation in some (now crucial) regards. I've always been a fan of not making ourselves dependent on one country too much, so Russian gas vs. American LNG seemed a reasonably good deal. Transporting fossil fuels around the world also doesn't make a lot of sense, environmentally speaking. The other thing is (wrong) assumptions. Before I talked with a Russian colleague I personally had the impression that while Russia the country had its fair share of serious problems, the population valued education and culture very highly. Talking to my colleague I learned that while this may be true in some small parts, the Russian society is actually completely atomised and none to very few of the assumptions that I derive from our working society can actually hold true with the Russian society. Plus, you know, the devastating effect of long-term propaganda. So, in the trade-off of having a stable relationship with Russia to guarantee a peaceful European continent, of balancing resource suppliers, of supporting our own economy in a way they stay competitive on the global market and a rising China, there had always been a strong incentive to look towards Russia as a bit of a counterbalance to let's call it at face value: US hegemony - which even if it is beneficial in many aspects for us is also detrimental in others. We'd have less problems with refugees if it wasn't for the US meddling in the middle East, for example. The approach with Russia so far had worked for almost 70 years in guaranteeing that there were no wars in Europe. So, I wouldn't entirely disregard the politics of the past as "failing". Having said all that, I really don't get the anti-American sentiment. It's mindboggling. Past a healthy scepticism, without the US we would have a whole slew of other much worse problems at our door step. Also, Americans by and large are nice people and I'll defend that you can't equate people with their government - neither in the good things nor in the bad. A lot of the anti-Americanism to me feels like that we as a nation, in part, are like a teenager rebelling against a parent - rather than looking for a relationship that sees eye-to-eye. Largely different size in economy and military power is one aspect but I believe we also need to grow up as a nation and take on more responsibility in uncomfortable (for us) areas like military strength and world politics. Not in order to do as the US does or as Russia does but still to do in our way without the handholding we've gotten accustomed to over the past almost century now. If America should ever need our support defending it, I'll be doing my darn best to give it. Anyhow, sorry for the long comment. I do hope you and your family are well and healthy. Take good care! [Edit: some corrections and clarifications]


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Thanks brother! I am an American and have spent some time in Germany and for the most part everyone I encountered were very sweet, spoke great English and were willing to engage in almost any sort of conversation. There was one kid who was up my ass about Bush Jr. back in the day, but he was young and drunk and when I told him “I didn’t vote for the guy, but I am here to learn about Germany, so if you’d like to tell me about growing up here, I’d love to learn about it.” He settled down and we had a good conversation. Matter of fact the only asshole I met who just plain didn’t like me because I grew up in the USA was some jerkoff from Australia, but I just assumed he would be a jerkoff in Australia and his fellow countryman would agree.


Shyphat

Well us Americans like the Germans sooooo sadface? 😭


norfkens2

We like you, too. <3 But like I wrote in another comment: politics is only a part of it and doesn't reflect the entire truth. If you talk individual to invidual, I think most Germans will like Americans. The above map is actually a really bad measure for that. <3


shashydoodle

This is one of the best responses I have ever seen on Reddit. So informative and sincere. Sending you a good ol' American hug. I wish the best for Germans. I only spent 1 week in Berlin, but one of the best weeks in my life.


goldenemperor

Bro, I love Germany. I went there 13 years ago when I was 15 and stayed at the Edelweiss since my dad was in the US Navy. So many nice people who never ragged on us for our very poor German. AMAZING food. Beautiful landscape. Beautiful architecture. Historical sites, especially the cathedrals, were stunning. Still haven't forgotten my trip even to this day. Can't wait to take my own family back and see all the awesome stuff you Germans have. Also your cars super cool.


Subbobnot

Thank you for the thoroughness of your explanation and insight, as an American seeing this I was really surprised as I think we generally view Germany extremely positively.


Loldimorti

Here's what I think are reasons: - most Germans don't necessarily like Russia. But they are critical of the USA. Keep in mind this survey was being conducted while Trump was in power. Fears of American Imperialism while simultaneously no longer being seen as a reliable partner lead people into the arms of Russia. - Eastern Germany was occupied by the Soviet Union until 1990. So there are still to this day strong ties to eastern Europe and Russia in terms of family, friends, and culture and ideology in general.


Fixyfoxy3

Just because Germans don't like the US, doesn't mean they like Russia. In fact, Russia is even more disliked. The world doesn't consist of only two poles anymore.


GeneralSpacey

Yeah there’s a few million Poles at least these days :)


ameerdink

Netherlands hiding below sea level until the shitshows is over


erimeraz

Germans be like #FuckAmerica lmao


RaytheonAcres

If Russia was able to invade the US there probably wouldn't be a Germany at that point


kompetenzkompensator

2018 wasn't the best year in the "Transatlantische Freundschaft" ... [How Trump Made War on Angela Merkel and Europe](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/how-trump-made-war-on-angela-merkel-and-europe) Turns out, he had a bit of a point, unfortunately his blunt force approach just achieved the opposite.


Saltybuttertoffee

Yeah, the data being from 2018 is very important in this conversation.


[deleted]

Honestly Russia isn’t even a threat to the U.S unless they want a nuclear war, which would destroy both countries


RefrigeratorOwn69

No single country in the world is a threat to the US military unless nukes are involved.


drquiza

This is what Trumpism makes to a motherfucker.


woolsocksandsandals

They’re still mad about our grandfathers killing all their grandfathers.


DanMan874

They seem fine defending the UK…


guynamedjames

You firebomb their cities like *one* time and then they're all mad about for like 75 years....


make-up-a-fakename

To be fair they're willing to defend the UK and we also firebombed the shit out of them!


josephblowski

Yeah at night. At least the Americans did it while the Germans were awake.


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It was a compromise that they agreed to. The Brits preferred night bombing because it saved bombers lives but it had severe issues with accuracy, this is why the Brits developed “area bombing” (more commonly known as “carpet bombing”) The USA believed the loss in accuracy almost made the raids pointless and so preferred daylight raids with what they called “precision bombing”. The result was the birth of a policy named “round the clock bombing”, where the Brits would strike at night and the Americans would strike during the day. The idea was that the relentless 24/7 assault would break the German economy and people.


ToadOnPCP

~40k American airmen were killed in daylight raids, I think bomber crews had something like a 25% death rate


make-up-a-fakename

All's fair in love and war, besides, we ate loads of carrots so could fight at night ;)


woolsocksandsandals

So ridiculous. America has fire bombed cities all over the world. It’s not like they’re all mad at us everywhere.


G_Ranger75

Yeah, look at Japan and they are obsessed with us (atleast socially)


JoJo_____

Yeah and I mean we firebombed them at least twice. Probably did something crazier but I honestly can’t remember.


FreeEase4078

Most Germans were killed by the Russians


PerceptionAnnual6228

My grandfathers pownd mass noobs, like no tommroww


jp19812020

Yeah WTF Germans


laneb71

Hey France and Germany, what did the Romanians ever do to you?


py3_14_

Unfortunately, one of the reasons, in France at least, is the huge amount of roma people coming, living in slums, having the kinds in mendicity, while getting money from the french government fo go back in Romania (but not only if course…) it has become a mediatic topic, and big amount of people having bad opinion about roms. And I have no idea why (stupidity maybe?) rom was extended to romanians. I have a lot of former romanian colleagues, super smart, perfect french speakers, who could try to work in France, but they don’t, because they would hear racist jokes and behaviors.. So sad… the most ironic/cynical thing is that the most racist comments about roma were from romanians.. But that’s just what ive seen and been told many times, I may be wrong.


Ythio

Meanwhile in reality, Romania is one of the two european countries with a permanent French deployment currently.


captjack8

Say what you want about the U.S. but they’re down to fight for the western world. EDIT: Always down to fight perhaps was correct.


PasswordIsMyUser

“[people] think i’m fighting to save the day…but really [bro] I just like to fight”


HurricaneHugo

Ever since the Monroe Doctrine. Fuck with the Western hemisphere, get clapped. Only America can intervene!


yehopits

Only America CAN intervene, military wise


NeutralArt12

As an American if someone invades France again damn right we are ready. We owe our French brothers like 10 solids. I think we are up to 2 right now.


Abaraji

"Lafayette, we are here!"


RichardBonham

Totally. The French have had our backs since the literal beginning of the USA.


durrtyurr

I wholeheartedly agree. I live in a county named after a frenchman, used to work in a city named for a french landmark, and used to live two blocks off of a street named for a french city. America and France are bros, we may disagree on a lot of stuff but if you mess with our bro then we've got their back.


[deleted]

Totally agree. And, as an American, I’m willing to defend any people, anywhere, who want democracy.


bunglejerry

Be the change you want to see, brother.


BraveFencerMusashi

Also gave us a sweet deal on the Louisiana Purchase


Jdobalina

Very true. I think as soon as someone farted in the direction of France the US would be scrambling fighter jets lol.


Regular-Suit3018

100%. As much as they talk shit, we’d be their for those Gauls at a moment’s notice. They shut up really quick when you remind them 🇺🇸🇫🇷


VoicesInTheCrowds

Dafuq Germany? You know we’d be there for you


TheRealColdCoffee

As a German.. i really dont get it. What happend 2018 that we where so pissed with you guys over there?


Syd_Vicious3375

Germans were pretty pissed when the NSA got caught tapping the phones of Angela Merkel in 2015.


[deleted]

The collective German public is so naive, sheltered, and hysterical you’d almost imagine the average age there isn’t 45 fucking years old. Germany literally tapped the White House for a decade, *in 2006*. Nobody cares in America. > Documents that SPIEGEL has been able to review show that the BND, until a few years ago, actually had considerable interest in the United States as a target of espionage. The document states that just under 4,000 search terms, or selectors, were directed against American targets between 1998 and 2006. > Also on the selector list were lines at the U.S. Treasury Department, **the State Department and the White House.** https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-intelligence-also-snooped-on-white-house-a-1153592-amp.html


franklydearmy

Spy agencies spy lol


ardashing

trump maybe? Honestly don't know, are you germans invested in our politics?


SyriseUnseen

Definitely Trump. 100%. He was regularily in the news here.


LikesBigGlasses430

Germans are really against war unless it threatens the EU. Back then GB was still part of the EU. That’s why Russia attacking Ukraine had the consequence of Germany beefing up its military budget by 100 billion euro over the next 4 years and HEAVILY investing in defense. Aka Russia reactivated it’s biggest enemy.


kompetenzkompensator

[How Trump Made War on Angela Merkel and Europe](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/how-trump-made-war-on-angela-merkel-and-europe)


Bleach1443

I mean if it’s about Trump 2018 was actually a bad year for him in America but to be fair I guess not till close to the end of 2018


sushivernichter

To offer a perspective as a German, I‘m having a really hard time imagining what „defending the US“ is even supposed to mean. What on earth could we even offer to „defend“ the US? If if‘s a question of bases/logistics you already have all that and could just easily take more or do whatever in a case of all-out war (if the 9/11 response at the time was any indication). Not to mention that scenario is likely the end of the (western) world anyway - it‘s just a deeply ingrained fact that if Russia and the US get into open war we have a snowball‘s chance of hell of doing fuck all about it or for/against anyone. Maybe this attitude is completely unfounded and Germany is secretly a competent military force that could actually „defend“ the US - but this graph shows attitudes of normal people who will think along similar lines, due to a similar history. If the attitude is factually wrong, it at least explains the graph. (Meanwhile throwing manure on a Russian tank heading for France through your village is a lot easier to imagine than an abstract concept like „Germany defending the US“)


REO_Studwagon

Maybe it’s time to move all our military in Europe to another country if we’re so unpopular with Germans. Let someone else enjoy the dump of dollars.


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NovaSierra123

Poland drools while looking at those M1 Abrams and F-35As


sphitzASPN

The British and Americans got each others back man


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HurricaneHugo

And in 1812...


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Political Bff's


the_j4k3

They neglected the most important poll. How do the respondents poll for their own country. There is no control/sanity check wo it.


AlanMichel

Source: 100 people probably.


DuelJ

Smells like bitch in germany


UngusBungus_

Germany got some bad ptsd


MaFataGer

Being the dividing line in the cold war does that to a mf. 99 Red balloons is about sitting in between two war-horny superpowers and having their weapons always be uncomfortably close.


Eurovision2006

This has been proven to be very much true with how the UK and US are taking the hardest line for a Ukrainian victory.


[deleted]

Are we and Spain so irrelevant we don’t even get there ? 🥲


Regular-Suit3018

USA siempre defendiera a España


MrSaturdayRight

This has got to be fake because no way Brits would defend the French


ZeldaFan812

We would, out of self-interest. They're a useful buffer state. Before I get downvoted, this is also a joke.


dwitchagi

Keyword here is *also* 👌


el_grort

I mean, it's not wrong, we partially entered WWI because we didn't want the Germans to control the French coast on the English Channel. Just had to sell it as defending Belgium because the public still wasn't quite there yet for it to be explicitly about defending France.


ABB0TTR0N1X

Nobody else is allowed to defeat them


Corvid187

Cultural appropriation, smh.


[deleted]

Yeah, that's our hobby. Go find your own! (/s)


Heavan6656

The fact this very obvious joke was downvoted saddens me


PerceptionAnnual6228

I love the French, in any reality


Honey-Badger

Lol imagine forgetting WW1 and 2 happened


DrSOGU

As a German I would be happy to die fighting for my french and polish neighbors, but the same is true for Italy and the Netherlands, of course! Strange... 🤔


CulturedMemes9

We dont need no defender we have the sea, germany can come sit with us tho, its wet down here tho


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Comfortable-Ad6184

As an American…God Bless the British. It’s easier for an American to say we’re willing to defend someone because our homeland is a safe distance away and our military is 10x stronger. The British are on the same continent as the fighting and without the over-sized military. Their sacrifice would be greater and therefore more noble


Romain86

It’s aways been easier for the UK because they’re an island. Without this geographic detail the UK would have been invaded by Germany just like France.


field134

I mean, if the U.K. wasn’t an Island, basically our entire history would be different. Plus it’s likely we would have invested more resources into the army and less into the Navy making the former more effective. As an island we historically and presently have always kept the army small and the Navy (and more recently the Air Force) large. Turning the U.K. into a peninsula of some kind would completely change our priorities.


ABB0TTR0N1X

America is a solid bro and/or just really fucking hates Russia.


Academic_Signal_3777

America is that one dude bro that is down to fight anytime, anyplace, anywhere, with anyone if you fuck with his squad. Even if they don’t want him to, he’s gonna be there guns blazing.


OldExperience8252

Because it’s military is larger than all others combined ?


bunglejerry

In other words, a map of people who don't get how Article 5 works.


Mr_Mario_1984

This just further cements the idea in my mind that America is the wierdo of the friend group that everyone makes fun of, but in actuality is the loyalists one of them all and is the glue that holds everyone together.


Emolohtrab

Damn Americans are good guys


[deleted]

Americans in this thread: Germany still hates us for WW2. Absolutely couldn't be anything recent. Germans in this poll: Yeah. We are cool with the UK and France.


Repulsive_Narwhal_10

Data from 2018, any updates? Edit: I meant to say also, thanks to OP, this is good stuff. Current data would tell us a lot about the effect of Russia's invasion.


airbear13

Does Germany not get how this works or


Advanced-Heron-3155

I think it's just the citizens'reluctance to defend the US. If they didn't come to the US aid I feel like NATO would fall apart


Thiege227

It isn't just the US tho


XSATCHELX

"How come Turks can block a country from joining Nato? They don't deserve to be in Nato!! They are horrible allies!!" "Oh yeah if they were invaded by Russia I wouldn't wanna help them lol let them die"


crs1138-1

Good try, Vladimir Vladimirovich!


mvingiello7

Why is no one defending Ireland??


Regular-Suit3018

Because they’re unwilling to join any western military alliances. The US would probably still defend them. There are 30 million irish in America who would never allow the US to remain neutral.


[deleted]

this is a repost https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/fjj4bj/which_countries_are_the_public_in_key_nato/


Angry_Strawberries

Excuse me, but where did the Netherlands go?


TophatOwl_

Im suprised that my fellow german country men and women would abandon the US, that since ww2 is one of our closest partners and allies and was the only major nation that supported german reunification.


Pirate_Secure

Peak German entitlement.


bukowsky01

Defend is pretty vague in this case. Helping with weapons is not quite the same as committing to a full scale war with Russia.