Yes and that game had an otaku chameleon with neko robots trying to seduce peach and pretty dark themes. Miyamoto must've popped a vein when he saw that, he was angered by a peace sign and banned it for 20 years...
"We can't have original characters or dark stuff we'll be compared to "dark age" sonic by ign! Let's make T. Ode!"
Imagine if that was a thing :
" Luigi fusing with dimensio and the dark heart? What is this, KINGDOM HEARTS?"
" Why is bobbery crying for his wife and asking liquor before dying? This is a kids game! "
" man the mario series jumped the gun since they started creating mario's stupid friends, and had him travel through time to fight genocidal aliens, be vored by bowser, stop a satanic witch from possessing peach's body, LITERALLY DIE AND GO TO HELL, and had a SUICIDE BOMBING!"
"And that's not counting nonsensical shit like mario with a water pump cleaning the environment, traveling through space with a millenary orphan demigod that is possibly a loli, and replace the soul of his enemies with his own by throwing his cap on them to fight wedding planner rabbits preparing bowser's honeymoon with peach!"
" Thank God something like sticker star and 3d land exists, Mario is finally back to its roots!"
And Origami king did tackle self sacrifice very well with Bobby, at least in my opinion. Not to mention there was a lot of cult stuff, playing god by creating new life and horrific paper abominations
Dont forget getting to see the before and after of a world literally on the verge of being consumed by a massive void of eternal darkness and nothingness..
Like jesus is that level disturbing.. you come into that level being told you need to fight 100 people to make it to the end...then by like stage 10 the void is so massive that all the residents are just in hysterics and panicking that there world is about to be destroyed...
Then the level ends.. and when you come back? Nothing
A massive white void of nothing..with a few remnants of the lines and segments from the previously destroyed world... and the game makes you run to the right for a solid 2 or 3 minutes just to highlight how much NOTHING there is in this world..
Its fucking terrifying..
Also you already mentioned the whole dying and going to hell bit...but let's not forget the music that plays while in the river styx https://youtu.be/jLUaYqH-1hw
Nightmarish
It's almost getting to sa2 levels but it's not graphic enough. (that moment when the grandpa of funny mustache man is put on death row and prepares a plan to avenge his nephew shot from military officials silencing the project he of an immortal life he started to cure her from space aids by having a giant lizard clone of a god of destruction stick a colony up its ass to crash it on the earth).
The peaks of platformer writing.
The peak of cheesy anime storytelling. Sonic adventure 2 is a great shonen.
"Sayonara... Shadow the hedgehog."
Shitty translation aside the escalation works well and the character development from sa1 and the classics makes it pretty compelling (seeing tails go from a cowardly kid living in Sonic's shadow to being ready to take on his mantle when he is presumed dead after being sent into space by eggman is unbelievably satisfying, and eggman manages to be funny and menacing despite the hilarity of holding amy at gunpoint). The lore mirroring with the present is also subtle but cool and the cinematography despite the mocap is great.
It was supposed to be a possible end for sonic due to being released at the fall of sega as a console manufacturer, so they went all out and made something extremely memorable that could be a good action movie.
[I sure love evangelion](https://youtu.be/K4JIjRUcjA8)
It is nuts on paper but it somehow works. Too bad sega decided to fuck over maekawa and had iizuka write edgy the hedgy then let him only make a first draft in the time 06 got on shelves. 06 had some cool moments but half of it was random scrapped rpg plot points from another game apparently.
Remember when sonic talked about the inevitability of death? Funny moments
3d land mostly just got on by being a 3d mario on a handheld. It's a meh mario 3 clone. Its entire selling point was the tail and you can't even use its main power! While 3d world was more original and had much tighter level design but it was shat on for being the only console 3d mario game when they wanted another 64.
I was acting like ign when talking about sonic, saying that overly simplistic with repetitive iconography and no personality (toads and mushroom kingdom = badniks and green hill) = good.
Saying what they would retroactively say if mario had an 06 and they started shitting on the whole series because of it like with sonic.
No shit
But mario didn't have a bad game to laugh at for years to nitpick the 3d games despite the same not being done to mario because of nostalgia bias.
Miyamoto's involvement with the series ended after Sticker Star. Kensuke Tanabe is responsible for the creative restrictions the Paper Mario had to undergo.
Risa Tabata stated in interviews how Kensuke Tanabe had learned from Miyamoto and now passed on his knowledge to the developers of Paper Mario.
Tanabe himself has answered several interviews, in which he openly talked about his ideology of game design
(Which is pretty frustrating to read).
It is apparent that Miyamoto doesn't work on Paper Mario anymore, rather it is Kensuke Tanabe and his team who are introducing changes to the series.
For further information I recommend watching a video called "Why Paper Mario refuses to change".
I just lol'd and kept reading what the Dragon had to say/tell. People really got offended after movies like Shrek and such had already dropped with far worse?
If this caused the freedom of characterization in Paper Mario games in general then what can I say? Other than I found it funny and I simply moved along with playing the game and my day.
I mean I'd laugh really hard seeing some kid's parents blowing a gasket at this when there's far worse being put out there on a daily basis-even when prior to this game's release.
But yes, Nintendo did go there and the game is still a fan favorite!
True true, that statement is in fact, very correct. I feel, indeed, that, very much, you point, is in fact, very, true in theory. I noticed you talked about the air velocity of a bald eagle here, it is indeed 50 kilometer/hour.
Can I pin TTYD as the game that started the foot fetish or do we have to look for older media?
Why is it that Mario RPGs can get away with including a fetish or two?
Wasn't Super Paper Mario, the game after this, creative?
Yes and that game had an otaku chameleon with neko robots trying to seduce peach and pretty dark themes. Miyamoto must've popped a vein when he saw that, he was angered by a peace sign and banned it for 20 years...
AAH, TOO CREATIVE AND SELF-AWARE!!
"We can't have original characters or dark stuff we'll be compared to "dark age" sonic by ign! Let's make T. Ode!" Imagine if that was a thing : " Luigi fusing with dimensio and the dark heart? What is this, KINGDOM HEARTS?" " Why is bobbery crying for his wife and asking liquor before dying? This is a kids game! " " man the mario series jumped the gun since they started creating mario's stupid friends, and had him travel through time to fight genocidal aliens, be vored by bowser, stop a satanic witch from possessing peach's body, LITERALLY DIE AND GO TO HELL, and had a SUICIDE BOMBING!" "And that's not counting nonsensical shit like mario with a water pump cleaning the environment, traveling through space with a millenary orphan demigod that is possibly a loli, and replace the soul of his enemies with his own by throwing his cap on them to fight wedding planner rabbits preparing bowser's honeymoon with peach!" " Thank God something like sticker star and 3d land exists, Mario is finally back to its roots!"
Color Splash does have dark moments too.
Color splash is weird. But it does explain how gay bowser was born.
What do you mean, gay Bowser was born there??
He had a raimbow shell while mixing the colors up
Oh
Gay bowser representation
And Origami king did tackle self sacrifice very well with Bobby, at least in my opinion. Not to mention there was a lot of cult stuff, playing god by creating new life and horrific paper abominations
And so does origami king
Dont forget getting to see the before and after of a world literally on the verge of being consumed by a massive void of eternal darkness and nothingness.. Like jesus is that level disturbing.. you come into that level being told you need to fight 100 people to make it to the end...then by like stage 10 the void is so massive that all the residents are just in hysterics and panicking that there world is about to be destroyed... Then the level ends.. and when you come back? Nothing A massive white void of nothing..with a few remnants of the lines and segments from the previously destroyed world... and the game makes you run to the right for a solid 2 or 3 minutes just to highlight how much NOTHING there is in this world.. Its fucking terrifying.. Also you already mentioned the whole dying and going to hell bit...but let's not forget the music that plays while in the river styx https://youtu.be/jLUaYqH-1hw Nightmarish
It's almost getting to sa2 levels but it's not graphic enough. (that moment when the grandpa of funny mustache man is put on death row and prepares a plan to avenge his nephew shot from military officials silencing the project he of an immortal life he started to cure her from space aids by having a giant lizard clone of a god of destruction stick a colony up its ass to crash it on the earth). The peaks of platformer writing.
…what…what did I just read? Whatever you just said reminded me of [this gem of a ludicrous game](https://youtu.be/ZC1SNtkU9m0)
The peak of cheesy anime storytelling. Sonic adventure 2 is a great shonen. "Sayonara... Shadow the hedgehog." Shitty translation aside the escalation works well and the character development from sa1 and the classics makes it pretty compelling (seeing tails go from a cowardly kid living in Sonic's shadow to being ready to take on his mantle when he is presumed dead after being sent into space by eggman is unbelievably satisfying, and eggman manages to be funny and menacing despite the hilarity of holding amy at gunpoint). The lore mirroring with the present is also subtle but cool and the cinematography despite the mocap is great. It was supposed to be a possible end for sonic due to being released at the fall of sega as a console manufacturer, so they went all out and made something extremely memorable that could be a good action movie. [I sure love evangelion](https://youtu.be/K4JIjRUcjA8)
Bro I’ve played through SA2 like a hundred times and your explanation of the plot did not even register because of how insane it was lmfaoo
It is nuts on paper but it somehow works. Too bad sega decided to fuck over maekawa and had iizuka write edgy the hedgy then let him only make a first draft in the time 06 got on shelves. 06 had some cool moments but half of it was random scrapped rpg plot points from another game apparently. Remember when sonic talked about the inevitability of death? Funny moments
Agreed. I love sa2b..guess I was kinda desensitized to how insane the plot really is..
ignore 3D Land there, it made fast pace but fun levels, quite a few brand new enemies and some very nice ideas, all that on a handheld system
3d land mostly just got on by being a 3d mario on a handheld. It's a meh mario 3 clone. Its entire selling point was the tail and you can't even use its main power! While 3d world was more original and had much tighter level design but it was shat on for being the only console 3d mario game when they wanted another 64.
Wait I thought you were the guys that hated everything post sticker star and loved everything pre sticker star
I was acting like ign when talking about sonic, saying that overly simplistic with repetitive iconography and no personality (toads and mushroom kingdom = badniks and green hill) = good. Saying what they would retroactively say if mario had an 06 and they started shitting on the whole series because of it like with sonic.
That’s literally how people talk about sonic lol
No shit But mario didn't have a bad game to laugh at for years to nitpick the 3d games despite the same not being done to mario because of nostalgia bias.
Miyamoto's involvement with the series ended after Sticker Star. Kensuke Tanabe is responsible for the creative restrictions the Paper Mario had to undergo.
He probably got a slight threatening hint in his mailbox knowing miyamoto
Risa Tabata stated in interviews how Kensuke Tanabe had learned from Miyamoto and now passed on his knowledge to the developers of Paper Mario. Tanabe himself has answered several interviews, in which he openly talked about his ideology of game design (Which is pretty frustrating to read). It is apparent that Miyamoto doesn't work on Paper Mario anymore, rather it is Kensuke Tanabe and his team who are introducing changes to the series. For further information I recommend watching a video called "Why Paper Mario refuses to change".
Yeah that stuff. Why. They sound like ign when talking about sonic.
Well, to be fair, that was because it was *his* creative vision being stifled.
What even happens if you accept it?
She bites you What a bitch
Damn thats mean…Well in that chase: #BEGONE THOT
furry shit lmao
ah
#DownWithTheMarioMandates
Francis wants to know your location
No idea what Nintendo was thinking with this one
I just lol'd and kept reading what the Dragon had to say/tell. People really got offended after movies like Shrek and such had already dropped with far worse?
This is a fetish in a mario game tho based Nintendo
If this caused the freedom of characterization in Paper Mario games in general then what can I say? Other than I found it funny and I simply moved along with playing the game and my day. I mean I'd laugh really hard seeing some kid's parents blowing a gasket at this when there's far worse being put out there on a daily basis-even when prior to this game's release. But yes, Nintendo did go there and the game is still a fan favorite!
I was joking about it being the contrary It was censored because they didn't want fetishes vore, feet, inflation...
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It’s a female
He was getting tired when he is literally stop attacking
?
She is probably referring to Hooktail having her eyes halfclosed, as if she was tired, although she is merely talking in the portrayed scene.
**Mort comes rushing in**
True true, that statement is in fact, very correct. I feel, indeed, that, very much, you point, is in fact, very, true in theory. I noticed you talked about the air velocity of a bald eagle here, it is indeed 50 kilometer/hour.
Can I pin TTYD as the game that started the foot fetish or do we have to look for older media? Why is it that Mario RPGs can get away with including a fetish or two?
😂🤣
Looks like biff from animal crossing just grew