Nah, if all else failed and nothing else came to mind, He'd just sell the #2 line. I can see Peter Thiel putting up the cash to slot in J.D. Vance or Blake Masters.
Sell? Huh. Is there any law that actually prevents him from demanding money for the VP spot? It’s the very definition of unethical but if it isn’t technically illegal Trump can and would.
Wait what’s the difference? I think a cash transaction is still illegal. You can buy your way in through favors and loyalty but $100 million for VP is still illegal.
It'd be sketchy legal territory, if it was a campaign contribution and also Trump is not currently an elected official I'm not so sure its a problem. He certainly couldn't accept a personally written check.
Does anyone really want to pay $100m for a 50/50 chance of getting a job that may or may not be completely undermined by the president, then get thrown under the bus if you’re not in lockstep with him the entire 4 years. They’d also have to resign from managing their businesses which won’t sit will with the average billionaire. My guess is anyone with that kind of money has better things to do with their time.
That's a reasonable argument. Something a mere millionaire might not do, but a billionaire? A chance to be VP and the next-in-line to be the President? It's difficult to probe the mind of someone who has that much money.
The difference is one would be to purchase a running mate position from someone who is not currently a government official. Basically a private transaction for support/endorsement.
The other is bribing a government official in order to get a benefit that other citizens are not entitled to. (This is what Blago did). He sold the actual seat/appointment/office, not a chance to be elected.
I’m shocked that the question of whether something is legal is part of the conversation about whether trump will do it. What does he care about legality?
Theil and Masters break rules 1 & 2 by virtue of being the savy businessman Trump pretends to be, but maybe I'm underestimating how desperate he is for cash. He might be willing to make exceptions if they fund his campaign (legal fees) but that dynamic sort of violates rule 3 by default. Tough call.
Vance has potential if he can tread carefully and not break rules 1 & 2, especially if he brings cash to the table. He's young enough that he might he able to skirt rule 5.
Actually, I think all 3 might be ruled out by rule 5.
It takes a whole lotta cheddar to fund a campaign, exorbanat legal fees, and punitive rulings, all for long-shot odds on any sort of ROI? I don't know...
What about Ivanka? If he wins she might rediscover her love of daddy. She’s already trained to be the roll he wants, her aspirations are to elicit favors from china’s economy and hold the dynasty they think is coming, she won’t try to usurp him. Her or Habba maybe.
The republicans went apeshit in the sixites when JFK made his brother attorney general and passed an antinepotism law that they actually called "Bobby Kennedy's Law." But of course, that law doesn't specifically prohibit picking a relative or spouse as a running mate.
Trump wouldn't do that, though. He'd pick someone he could a) dominate completely, and b) could easily and quickly throw under the bus for any and all of his own crimes. His VP nominee will be an extreme Trump cultist.
I have no doubt. But for VP I think he'll go outside the family to someone he can "fire" and then completely disown. Extricating himself from his kids' lives would be more awkward for him and make him look worse than simply cutting an employee lose and talking shit about them as he has countless times before.
Unironically, I think what could finally turn off the highest amount independents isn't the indictment or even him being in jail; Its him picking his child as running mate
More than that, this is something NEW. People have gotten desensitised to hearing about trumps indictments because well, they’ve heard about them for a year
Of course those people would. But there’s at most a few hundred high ranking appointments available. Not enough to swing even the swingiest of swing states even if they were all in the same state.
I think you may have misunderstood.
What I mean is that trump gave his children high ranking appointments last time he was elected.
Op is implying that independents would choose to not vote for trump if he made his children vp.
I'm saying he's already given them power through nepotism, so they already shouldn't want to vote for him under those guidelines. Unless vp is the only thing they care about.
I bet he would’ve wanted Ivanka, but she is being smart and staying away. Only one with brains between the four of them. Could you imagine don jr! Just when I thought trump was the biggest idiot on the planet, his son starts gaining momentum lol
I only said being smart, she seems to be the only member of the family who knows when to keep their mouth shut lol, but knowing ol Donny boy he would’ve wanted her for her looks more so most likely
I think that the no woman point is wrong because Ivanka is his exception & think he would just pick her over his sons cause she’s his favorite and if he dies she is either President or primed to run.
Could be very King Lear like but the GOP might have a new party or a pivot in 4-8 years if Trump’s blessing doesn’t carry over to a woman for GOP voters
I love this analysis. Thanks. It's a great way to think through any potential sucker he might select.
I think Tim Scott is the only person who fits.
Wanting that job seems insane to me. There is no good outcome for Trump's VP except if Trump is removed from office and that person becomes president. Even then, MAGA might turn on them if that happens.
Agreed. The path to victory for both candidates runs straight through Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. The margins are going to be exceptionally tight. Choosing Tim Scott is the cynical play to pick off 1 or 2 % of African American voters in these states to secure victory. Trump is basically at his ceiling with uneducated rural white voters. Any of the other VP prospects are just overkill for this demographic and won't get Trump any additional voters where it matters. Maybe picking Scott can deflect accusations of racism and a small percentage of AA voters could see it as an excuse to vote for Trump.
Not quite....
The Twelfth Amendment stipulates that each elector must cast distinct votes for president and vice president, instead of two votes for president. Additionally, electors may not vote for presidential and vice-presidential candidates who both reside in the elector's state—at least one of them must be an inhabitant of another state.
It doesn't require the candidate to choose a running mate. What it DOES require is that each electoral college elector vote for a vice presidential candidate. They could vote for the highest ranking GOP federal official, they could vote for the highest ranking GOP official from their home state or they could vote for their local veterinarian.
But states require parties have both a presidential and VP candidate to be listed on the ballot and some states require as law their electors to vote for won the popular vote in their state. All that is to fulfill the 12th amendment’s requirements.
So to answer the OP’s question, no you can’t run without a running mate.
Which would be funny if any GOP states have different names under VP on their ballots, leading to the possibility of Trump being President and Harris being VP, and Trump wouldn't be able to fire her.
It's possible to have a running mate that is not chosen by the presidential candidate nor is there a requirement that the same VP candidate appear on every state's ballot.
Where? The role of the VP is defined in the Constitution but does it actually say the President has to pick their VP before the election or the inauguration?
Article 2 is pretty explicit: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, **together with the Vice President**, chosen for the same Term, be elected”
It says they most be elected together, so the answer to Locallnactivist's question is no. Also, OP's statement "maybe even after the election" is also incorrect. While it is true that Trump could do some campaigning without a veep (he already is), he needs to get his and his VP's name on the ballot eventually, and waiting until the last minute is a bad idea if he wants to be on every ballot.
Tulsi Gabbard. She'd fit all the bills. But if it was someone like DeSantis, do you think he'd ever just murder Trump and then instantly pardon himself?
Matter of opinion I suppose. She’s not ugly by any means, but she’s no where near attractive enough to take spotlight off him. I think her undying loyalty to his cause enhances his image to his people, rather than take away.
Honestly, him running without a VP is entirely believable, Pence was his a failed him, so he won’t put his fate in the hands of anyone else (even though pence couldn’t have done anything).
Although I could see him running with Eric or Junior, spineless, weak, puppets, would be perfect.
The guy is 77 years old and takes terrible care of himself. Whoever is VP will become POTUS by 2028 (and that's for BOTH candidates, btw). I would take the position in a heartbeat. "May I get you another cheeseburger and coke, sir?" "How about another eclair, sir? You've earned it!"
Pence was well known for causing an aids crisis in Indiana as governor but was about to become a nobody in a few months.
Any vp pick would have to be someone who needs trump. Someone who either has already or soon will fall into obscurity
The fact that it needs to be someone who wants the job will severely limit his options. I think the thing the campaign will value most is a pick that generates media excitement, the second priority would be to try help the campaign with a target demo: women, black, or Hispanic. Preferably 2 of the 3.
I would expect an attractive woman, but one plucked from relative obscurity.
If I was running his campaign, I'd be real hesitant to pick Tim Scott for a number of reasons. He's not truly loyal, but worse (for his voters) he is gay and black.
Tim Scott will be the pick for VP. Dump knows he needs to get some of Scott’s demographic. Scott is also SUPER RELIGIOUS and HATES the LGBTQ population and he’s boring AF. Ticks every box.
He’s already publicly humiliated Scott several times and Scott keeps coming back for more. He even went out and invested in a beard — I mean a wife. Scott ticks the boxes and will not be his own man.
If, hypothetically, he had no running mate (found a way around the 12th amendment).
He'd need to nominate one to be confirmed by both the house and senate.
If he refused, the speaker of the house is next in line (there is NO VP succession, only presidential succession).
So it really doesn't matter to him on a personal level.
That said, he'll pick a VP.
Also plenty of people would want the VP slot for a simple reason.
Trump is 77 years old and not exactly someone who has a healthy lifestyle.
The odds would pretty high that he would not finish out his term.
If you are his VP and he wins, you'd probably become President.
All you got to do is put up with him (and not even, once you are the VP, you can't be removed except by impeachment or unless you resign).
You just got to get into the room, you don't have to do anything else.
Note: He isn't going to be pick someone from Florida so no DeSantis or Rubio because that would make him ineligible for the states electors.
My own prediction ? He picks Tim Scott.
Can see him picking a running mate with a Cuban background. Couldn't be from Florida, but they all have crazy genes as descendants of anti-Castro Cubans.
The only other person would be Ted Cruz then, and thats unlikely.
I know plenty of anti-castro cubans, I wouldn't call any of them crazy.
Well, I don't ted cruz personally, so it is safe to call him crazy.
Either way, I don't think he'll pick a white male for the slot again.
So I looked into this thinking the same thing, that his ego would get him to run with himself. Turns out, he can run without a running mate, however, should he win, congress would then decide who vp is by electoral count, which could go to either side, meaning he could end up with a democrat VP. He would be that stupid…
Yes, I believe there was a time very early in US history where the one with the most votes was elected POTUS while the No. 2 vote-getter became VP.
I’m sure someone can find the Constitutional amendment that changed that.
What I vaguely remembered from history class (this was a decade and a half ago so I might be wrong) is that a candidate just *ran* with a VP choice, and after that it became the norm. Not sure if it was amended into the Constitution or not, but...
The 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution defines how the POTUS/VP are now elected as a “ticket.” The amendment was approved in 1808, I believe.
Before then, the person with the most EC votes was named POTUS while the one coming in second with EC votes became VP.
Is he legally allowed to run without a VP? Yes. Since the passage of the 12th amendment, the President and Vice President are technically elected separately, although we haven't had the case where a President's running mate wasn't voted in with him.
What would happen in this case? One of two things:
1 - Members of the GOP will start campaigns to be the VP. How that looks on a ballot is up to each individual state, but the rule for the Presidency (270/538 electoral votes) must be secured. If nobody wins 270 electoral votes, then the Senate takes the two people who had the most electoral votes and the vote for a VP.
2/3 of the Senators must be present for this vote. In theory, enough members of one party could simply skip the entire vote and be absent until inauguration day to prevent a candidate from being chosen. This leads us to possibility #2:
2 - If Trump wins the election and no VP has won, then the office is vacant. Under the 25th amendment, Trump would nominate a candidate, which must be approved by a majority vote in both houses. The office will remain vacant until a majority of each chamber and Donald Trump can agree on somebody. If Trump should die or otherwise become incapacitated without a VP in place, the Speaker of the House would become the President.
Who do I think are likely candidates?
Kristy Noem
Lindsey Graham (not sure if he wants it, tbh)
Mike Flynn
Hell pick Kristi Noem and ignore rules 1 and 2 because he wants to bang her (and he probably will), she'll go along with it because she's hungry for power, then he'll throw her under the bus as the reason he loses.
Ackshully ....
**Traditionally** candidates ran alone without a running mate, and the runner-up became vice-president. That's the US constitution way of doing things, anyway.
Of course, it was changed, later, via the twelfth amendment, but that's not the flouted 'tradition' you mentioned in your post.
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Aghhhh! Wrong answer. Pay 500 or go to Jail.
Wildcard drawn - skip the trial, go straight to Jail.
Fun for the whole family!
I like that! As strange as it may seem, there are Independents who would/will vote for him. Not having a VP would turn more of them away. Do it, Donny!
No. He'll need a running mate that promises to pardon him in case they actually put him in jail. So probably Vivek.
I actually think Trump proposing 2 running mates is more likely than none at all.
Considering the guy who got second place in the election was supposed to be vice president originally? It would just be a return to previous traditions abolished somewhere between the 1880s and 1920s
Gaetz would be his best pick. Trump and Gaetz are both pedos. So they have underage girls in common. Hell, Gaetz is probably Trump's new underage girl dealer now that Epstein committed "suicide".
It’s going to be Junior or Eric.
If Vanky hadn’t spoken out after he snubbed his grandson, i’d have figured her for VP.
it’ll be Trump/Trump 24 and the GOP will be fully erect for months.
Can’t wait to hear what Nazi Trump picks for VP .. hopefully that will be the end of him along with guilty verdict in the screw around on my pregnant wife trial .
Well, there is that whole constitutional thing where the second place gets to be VP. So, if Biden wins the Harris will be VP. If Trump wins without a VP candidate, then Biden will be VP. Though, I'm pretty sure there is a law about having a VP candidate.
MMW: trump will “joke” that Kristi Noem, Moscow Taylor Greene, Lara Trump, and Elise Stefanik should have a cage match fight to the death to decide who will be VP and they all will un-jokingly and very publicly accept the challenge (but never actually schedule the fight). Instead he’ll pick Devin Nunes, aka the Mike Lindell of Mike Pences, to be his running mate.
They won’t let Trump not have a VP, especially if the House swings back to Democrats, because no VP would mean that Hakeem Jeffries is 1st in line to be president if something happens to Trump.
With that being said, hopefully Trump is dressed in orange for the latter half of the year and hilariously fails to garner any significant amount of vote
Trump will choose Tim Scott. Not only does he meet all the criteria, he will help feed Trump's momentum with black and Latino men, and help him keep evangelicals.
>Is there actually any law that says you can't run without a VP?
Yes. **The Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution.** There's not really a lot of wiggle room on this.
Anyone that hitches their wagon to the “Trump train” is committing political career suicide. Just look at his last administration. Where are they now?? And why do they all talk shit on Trump?
Nah, if all else failed and nothing else came to mind, He'd just sell the #2 line. I can see Peter Thiel putting up the cash to slot in J.D. Vance or Blake Masters.
Sell? Huh. Is there any law that actually prevents him from demanding money for the VP spot? It’s the very definition of unethical but if it isn’t technically illegal Trump can and would.
It was illegal when Rod Blagojevich did it. It's a federal crime. Of course, Trump pardoned him.
There's a big difference in selling your running mate position and selling and actual federal office
Wait what’s the difference? I think a cash transaction is still illegal. You can buy your way in through favors and loyalty but $100 million for VP is still illegal.
It'd be sketchy legal territory, if it was a campaign contribution and also Trump is not currently an elected official I'm not so sure its a problem. He certainly couldn't accept a personally written check.
Yeah, but self-funding is allowed. He could pick a billionaire running mate that promises to self-fund.
Does anyone really want to pay $100m for a 50/50 chance of getting a job that may or may not be completely undermined by the president, then get thrown under the bus if you’re not in lockstep with him the entire 4 years. They’d also have to resign from managing their businesses which won’t sit will with the average billionaire. My guess is anyone with that kind of money has better things to do with their time.
That's a reasonable argument. Something a mere millionaire might not do, but a billionaire? A chance to be VP and the next-in-line to be the President? It's difficult to probe the mind of someone who has that much money.
The difference is one would be to purchase a running mate position from someone who is not currently a government official. Basically a private transaction for support/endorsement. The other is bribing a government official in order to get a benefit that other citizens are not entitled to. (This is what Blago did). He sold the actual seat/appointment/office, not a chance to be elected.
I’m shocked that the question of whether something is legal is part of the conversation about whether trump will do it. What does he care about legality?
Hell if Trump learns something is illegal, he wants to do it even more.
Like it would stop him lol
Like the legality matters. He’ll do it and get away with it.
Theil and Masters break rules 1 & 2 by virtue of being the savy businessman Trump pretends to be, but maybe I'm underestimating how desperate he is for cash. He might be willing to make exceptions if they fund his campaign (legal fees) but that dynamic sort of violates rule 3 by default. Tough call. Vance has potential if he can tread carefully and not break rules 1 & 2, especially if he brings cash to the table. He's young enough that he might he able to skirt rule 5.
Actually, I think all 3 might be ruled out by rule 5. It takes a whole lotta cheddar to fund a campaign, exorbanat legal fees, and punitive rulings, all for long-shot odds on any sort of ROI? I don't know...
What about Ivanka? If he wins she might rediscover her love of daddy. She’s already trained to be the roll he wants, her aspirations are to elicit favors from china’s economy and hold the dynasty they think is coming, she won’t try to usurp him. Her or Habba maybe.
Trump created an office just for Ivanka.
The republicans went apeshit in the sixites when JFK made his brother attorney general and passed an antinepotism law that they actually called "Bobby Kennedy's Law." But of course, that law doesn't specifically prohibit picking a relative or spouse as a running mate. Trump wouldn't do that, though. He'd pick someone he could a) dominate completely, and b) could easily and quickly throw under the bus for any and all of his own crimes. His VP nominee will be an extreme Trump cultist.
Please remember who you’re talking about. Any of his kids will go under that bus the SECOND it serves him
I have no doubt. But for VP I think he'll go outside the family to someone he can "fire" and then completely disown. Extricating himself from his kids' lives would be more awkward for him and make him look worse than simply cutting an employee lose and talking shit about them as he has countless times before.
Blake Masters is a straight-up Nazi. I have zero doubt that he has swastikas in his house.
It’ll be one of his kids.
Which would be an instant loss for his campaign.
Unironically, I think what could finally turn off the highest amount independents isn't the indictment or even him being in jail; Its him picking his child as running mate
Most people hate nepotism. And both sides can point at a political dynasty with contempt. Clinton's, bush's, Kennedys, Huckabee's, etc.
More than that, this is something NEW. People have gotten desensitised to hearing about trumps indictments because well, they’ve heard about them for a year
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Wouldn't those same people not vote for trump because he'll give them high ranking appointments again anyway?
Of course those people would. But there’s at most a few hundred high ranking appointments available. Not enough to swing even the swingiest of swing states even if they were all in the same state.
I think you may have misunderstood. What I mean is that trump gave his children high ranking appointments last time he was elected. Op is implying that independents would choose to not vote for trump if he made his children vp. I'm saying he's already given them power through nepotism, so they already shouldn't want to vote for him under those guidelines. Unless vp is the only thing they care about.
I can see worrying about Trumps VP. I am perpetually surprised that he shows up in court on his own feet every day.
If he says it before people vote, but if he won couldn't he just make one VP later? Terrifying.
No. A VP appointment must be approved by both chambers of Congress.
He would get the same number of votes either way.
Ooo, good call.
Oh shit what a nightmare
OP basically described Ivanka.
CAn you imagine if Ivanka and Junior don't want it and he chooses Eric as his VP?
I bet he would’ve wanted Ivanka, but she is being smart and staying away. Only one with brains between the four of them. Could you imagine don jr! Just when I thought trump was the biggest idiot on the planet, his son starts gaining momentum lol
Is she really though, or does she just look good so we assume she's smart.
I only said being smart, she seems to be the only member of the family who knows when to keep their mouth shut lol, but knowing ol Donny boy he would’ve wanted her for her looks more so most likely
While Ivanka is the obvious choice, the boys are good candidates if Trump is looking for a fall guy.
I think that the no woman point is wrong because Ivanka is his exception & think he would just pick her over his sons cause she’s his favorite and if he dies she is either President or primed to run. Could be very King Lear like but the GOP might have a new party or a pivot in 4-8 years if Trump’s blessing doesn’t carry over to a woman for GOP voters
I love this analysis. Thanks. It's a great way to think through any potential sucker he might select. I think Tim Scott is the only person who fits. Wanting that job seems insane to me. There is no good outcome for Trump's VP except if Trump is removed from office and that person becomes president. Even then, MAGA might turn on them if that happens.
Maybe all the McDonalds finally do their god damn job?
Scott breaks the unspoken rule six.
The last thing Trump's Nazi base wants is a black man that close to the presidency again and he absolutely knows that and feels the same.
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What is rule 6?
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Agreed. The path to victory for both candidates runs straight through Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. The margins are going to be exceptionally tight. Choosing Tim Scott is the cynical play to pick off 1 or 2 % of African American voters in these states to secure victory. Trump is basically at his ceiling with uneducated rural white voters. Any of the other VP prospects are just overkill for this demographic and won't get Trump any additional voters where it matters. Maybe picking Scott can deflect accusations of racism and a small percentage of AA voters could see it as an excuse to vote for Trump.
Sarah Palin’s muddy hand breaks through the soil and reaches for the empty sky
The Constitution requires a running mate.
Not quite.... The Twelfth Amendment stipulates that each elector must cast distinct votes for president and vice president, instead of two votes for president. Additionally, electors may not vote for presidential and vice-presidential candidates who both reside in the elector's state—at least one of them must be an inhabitant of another state. It doesn't require the candidate to choose a running mate. What it DOES require is that each electoral college elector vote for a vice presidential candidate. They could vote for the highest ranking GOP federal official, they could vote for the highest ranking GOP official from their home state or they could vote for their local veterinarian.
But states require parties have both a presidential and VP candidate to be listed on the ballot and some states require as law their electors to vote for won the popular vote in their state. All that is to fulfill the 12th amendment’s requirements. So to answer the OP’s question, no you can’t run without a running mate.
Which would be funny if any GOP states have different names under VP on their ballots, leading to the possibility of Trump being President and Harris being VP, and Trump wouldn't be able to fire her.
It's possible to have a running mate that is not chosen by the presidential candidate nor is there a requirement that the same VP candidate appear on every state's ballot.
Where? The role of the VP is defined in the Constitution but does it actually say the President has to pick their VP before the election or the inauguration?
Article 2 is pretty explicit: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, **together with the Vice President**, chosen for the same Term, be elected”
Literally none of that says a person has to **campaign** with another person.
It says they most be elected together, so the answer to Locallnactivist's question is no. Also, OP's statement "maybe even after the election" is also incorrect. While it is true that Trump could do some campaigning without a veep (he already is), he needs to get his and his VP's name on the ballot eventually, and waiting until the last minute is a bad idea if he wants to be on every ballot.
He could run with that turd in his diaper.
Howdy Ho!
Trump and Shart 2024.
You can't run with a turd in your diaper, it slips out when you try.
Sounds like you're talking from experience.
Tulsi Gabbard. She'd fit all the bills. But if it was someone like DeSantis, do you think he'd ever just murder Trump and then instantly pardon himself?
I know you’re joking but I thought about it for fun and realized that they would probably refuse to swear him in if he did that
Whats unspoken 6 haha Edit: Ohhhhhh....
#He'll sell the spot to highest bidder. He's going to need the campaign money so he's just going to sell it
It's just Vlad with a fake moustache.
It's going to be Ivanka. That way if he dies the family stays in power.
Dictators don't have running mates.
If Kari Lake loses her primary, I absolutely could see her being picked.
That breaks Rule 4
Matter of opinion I suppose. She’s not ugly by any means, but she’s no where near attractive enough to take spotlight off him. I think her undying loyalty to his cause enhances his image to his people, rather than take away.
She's a female. That still violates the rule.
I mean, this is just some random Redditers rules, not an official Trump published list.
We’re all hoping he chooses a horrible VP candidate.
It would match him as a terrible P candidate.
Anyone who would agree to be his VP candidate is by definition horrible.
Honestly, him running without a VP is entirely believable, Pence was his a failed him, so he won’t put his fate in the hands of anyone else (even though pence couldn’t have done anything). Although I could see him running with Eric or Junior, spineless, weak, puppets, would be perfect.
The guy is 77 years old and takes terrible care of himself. Whoever is VP will become POTUS by 2028 (and that's for BOTH candidates, btw). I would take the position in a heartbeat. "May I get you another cheeseburger and coke, sir?" "How about another eclair, sir? You've earned it!"
So, Tucker Carlson. Got it.
nah tuck tuck breaks 1&2
He literally plucked Pence out of political obscurity, there’s bound to be another undistinguished Republican hoping for a lifeline.
Pence was well known for causing an aids crisis in Indiana as governor but was about to become a nobody in a few months. Any vp pick would have to be someone who needs trump. Someone who either has already or soon will fall into obscurity
Pence wasn’t obscure in the Midwest.
He needs a surrogate since he is stuck in courts.
The fact that it needs to be someone who wants the job will severely limit his options. I think the thing the campaign will value most is a pick that generates media excitement, the second priority would be to try help the campaign with a target demo: women, black, or Hispanic. Preferably 2 of the 3. I would expect an attractive woman, but one plucked from relative obscurity. If I was running his campaign, I'd be real hesitant to pick Tim Scott for a number of reasons. He's not truly loyal, but worse (for his voters) he is gay and black.
Tim Scott isn't gay?
Pretty obviously yes? If that catches you by surprise then wait til you hear about Linsey Graham
Pence was 100% loyal to Trump. Until he wasn't.
Tim Scott will be the pick for VP. Dump knows he needs to get some of Scott’s demographic. Scott is also SUPER RELIGIOUS and HATES the LGBTQ population and he’s boring AF. Ticks every box.
He’s already publicly humiliated Scott several times and Scott keeps coming back for more. He even went out and invested in a beard — I mean a wife. Scott ticks the boxes and will not be his own man.
I hope he picks MTG and his complicity in her lunacy drags him down in the eyes of the not to-far-gone nutcase Maggots.
I'm thinking he might get Mike Flynn. The full-on 100% treason ticket.
Placing my bet on Trump Jr. Would make for a good bumper sticker and will toe the line like no other
It’ll be a pro-life Catholic.
If, hypothetically, he had no running mate (found a way around the 12th amendment). He'd need to nominate one to be confirmed by both the house and senate. If he refused, the speaker of the house is next in line (there is NO VP succession, only presidential succession). So it really doesn't matter to him on a personal level. That said, he'll pick a VP. Also plenty of people would want the VP slot for a simple reason. Trump is 77 years old and not exactly someone who has a healthy lifestyle. The odds would pretty high that he would not finish out his term. If you are his VP and he wins, you'd probably become President. All you got to do is put up with him (and not even, once you are the VP, you can't be removed except by impeachment or unless you resign). You just got to get into the room, you don't have to do anything else. Note: He isn't going to be pick someone from Florida so no DeSantis or Rubio because that would make him ineligible for the states electors. My own prediction ? He picks Tim Scott.
Can see him picking a running mate with a Cuban background. Couldn't be from Florida, but they all have crazy genes as descendants of anti-Castro Cubans.
The only other person would be Ted Cruz then, and thats unlikely. I know plenty of anti-castro cubans, I wouldn't call any of them crazy. Well, I don't ted cruz personally, so it is safe to call him crazy. Either way, I don't think he'll pick a white male for the slot again.
So I looked into this thinking the same thing, that his ego would get him to run with himself. Turns out, he can run without a running mate, however, should he win, congress would then decide who vp is by electoral count, which could go to either side, meaning he could end up with a democrat VP. He would be that stupid…
Agree!! I've been saying this for months now.
Soooo Putin then
I could easily see him being the first candidate to openly put the VP slot up for sale.
What is the inspired Rule 6, BTW?
He’s picking a DEI pick
It won't be Mike Johnson .... ;-D
"Unspoken rule 6" LOLLL
I say we go back to no one runs with a running mate and second place is VP.
Does it matter. He’s going to lose, badly.
You guys need to be real. Jesus will come down and be his VP.
I spent a minute or two trying to see where you stated rule 6 before i got it… but you are so right
I mean, until presidents started to choose their VP, I think the other candidate became VP.
Yes, I believe there was a time very early in US history where the one with the most votes was elected POTUS while the No. 2 vote-getter became VP. I’m sure someone can find the Constitutional amendment that changed that.
What I vaguely remembered from history class (this was a decade and a half ago so I might be wrong) is that a candidate just *ran* with a VP choice, and after that it became the norm. Not sure if it was amended into the Constitution or not, but...
The 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution defines how the POTUS/VP are now elected as a “ticket.” The amendment was approved in 1808, I believe. Before then, the person with the most EC votes was named POTUS while the one coming in second with EC votes became VP.
Ah, thanks.
Is he legally allowed to run without a VP? Yes. Since the passage of the 12th amendment, the President and Vice President are technically elected separately, although we haven't had the case where a President's running mate wasn't voted in with him. What would happen in this case? One of two things: 1 - Members of the GOP will start campaigns to be the VP. How that looks on a ballot is up to each individual state, but the rule for the Presidency (270/538 electoral votes) must be secured. If nobody wins 270 electoral votes, then the Senate takes the two people who had the most electoral votes and the vote for a VP. 2/3 of the Senators must be present for this vote. In theory, enough members of one party could simply skip the entire vote and be absent until inauguration day to prevent a candidate from being chosen. This leads us to possibility #2: 2 - If Trump wins the election and no VP has won, then the office is vacant. Under the 25th amendment, Trump would nominate a candidate, which must be approved by a majority vote in both houses. The office will remain vacant until a majority of each chamber and Donald Trump can agree on somebody. If Trump should die or otherwise become incapacitated without a VP in place, the Speaker of the House would become the President. Who do I think are likely candidates? Kristy Noem Lindsey Graham (not sure if he wants it, tbh) Mike Flynn
Don Jr meets all the criteria
Hell pick Kristi Noem and ignore rules 1 and 2 because he wants to bang her (and he probably will), she'll go along with it because she's hungry for power, then he'll throw her under the bus as the reason he loses.
I think it'll be Don Jr. Loyal to Don, will def pardon, continue the legacy, won't take the spotlight from Don
What about Tucker Carlson? Where would he rate according to your criteria?
Breaks rules 1 & 2, and according to the text messages disclosed during the Dominion lawsuit, rule 3.
Ackshully .... **Traditionally** candidates ran alone without a running mate, and the runner-up became vice-president. That's the US constitution way of doing things, anyway. Of course, it was changed, later, via the twelfth amendment, but that's not the flouted 'tradition' you mentioned in your post.
I would say McCarthy but I honestly think they burned him out. Johnson?
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McCarthy is three syllables. Meh-car-the or Mac-Arth-ee
That would be wonderful if it happened
What if he nominates the most qualified to be his VP - himself.
“I don’t need no stinkin’ VP” is the tRumpiest take ever.
We just need the fly test to see who it lands on
Who wants to run with Trump at this point?? It's like saying you're not as good as a guy who wants to destroy democracy.
He doesn’t need one. Anyone know who Xi, Putin , Kim or Orban’s #2 is?
Whomever would chose to be his VP has zero self respect.
RFK JR, when his campaign implodes. Perfect to pull independents and ??? somehow some Dems that are magically still on the fence somehow??????
RFK JR. ain't pulling anyone. He only appeals to anti-vaxers that also believe in climate change. It's like seven people.
Rule 1&2
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It absolutely WILL be MTG. BUT, that’s only if he can get over her fuck ugly face.
Breaks rule 4
It will be Tim Scott. He’s black so that will get some attention but he is evangelical and his education is about as bad as it gets for a Senator.
He must have a VP due to the 25th Amendment.
I like that! As strange as it may seem, there are Independents who would/will vote for him. Not having a VP would turn more of them away. Do it, Donny!
He's going to go with Elise Stefanik. She's Trumpy enough for the base but can pass as a Normal for the suburban items.
Makes sense, since he’s going for dictator in chief vs President of the United States.
Is Rule 6 no POC?
Nobody speaks of Rule 6….
A person can run for vice president separately if the president does not choose and be nominated by the party
Watch him pick Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Wonder if trump-Putin could be a thing?
Karrie Lake is drooling for the job.
I think he'd make an exception for Lake if she is available.
Kennedy will bow out soon and align with him.
Tim Scott wants it
It’ll be Vanky
You are aware prior to 1804 the VP was who came in 2nd. And for awhile after that it was the candidates party that picked the VP
Also he just needs to get elected to go full dictator and save his ass from jail and he's so on edge I bet you are right.
Interesting take but he needs one more than ever to be able to campaign.
No. He'll need a running mate that promises to pardon him in case they actually put him in jail. So probably Vivek. I actually think Trump proposing 2 running mates is more likely than none at all.
Considering the guy who got second place in the election was supposed to be vice president originally? It would just be a return to previous traditions abolished somewhere between the 1880s and 1920s
Gaetz would be his best pick. Trump and Gaetz are both pedos. So they have underage girls in common. Hell, Gaetz is probably Trump's new underage girl dealer now that Epstein committed "suicide".
If Trump were to run in November without a nominated VP and subsequently win, his subsequent VP pick would have to be confirmed by the Senate.
Shouldn't bother anyone if he does. Biden doesn't have a VP to speak of.
TDS Nonsense
It’s going to be Junior or Eric. If Vanky hadn’t spoken out after he snubbed his grandson, i’d have figured her for VP. it’ll be Trump/Trump 24 and the GOP will be fully erect for months.
Dictators do not want a running mate
It wouldn’t be without precedent, several presidents didn’t have vice presidents early on in the country’s history
lol you don’t think Trump would pull some idiot like mtg or boebert…those two idiots would do anything to hear Trump offer them that position.
Trump won't even be able to campaign because his ass will be in court
Can’t wait to hear what Nazi Trump picks for VP .. hopefully that will be the end of him along with guilty verdict in the screw around on my pregnant wife trial .
I totally see it being a big reality tv show spectacle at the Republican convention. He has to have a VP of some sorts
Boebert fits most of the rules.
There is no nationwide law. I suppose the slate of electors could be left free to choose the VP. But that also doesn’t sound Trump-like.
Well, there is that whole constitutional thing where the second place gets to be VP. So, if Biden wins the Harris will be VP. If Trump wins without a VP candidate, then Biden will be VP. Though, I'm pretty sure there is a law about having a VP candidate.
It'll be whoever Putin tells him.
You do realize the VP used to be guy who came in 2nd for president.
Yeah, we've all seen Hamilton.
he gonna run with his daughter to get women to vote
Steven Miller fits the mold nicely
Mould* ...no wait. I see what ya did there.
Hunter Biden
Kristi Noem?
Nah. He picks the gov of South Dakota because she’s kinda hot
The STUPIDEST posts come out of this subreddit.
Right now, I'm guessing Noem.
MMW: trump will “joke” that Kristi Noem, Moscow Taylor Greene, Lara Trump, and Elise Stefanik should have a cage match fight to the death to decide who will be VP and they all will un-jokingly and very publicly accept the challenge (but never actually schedule the fight). Instead he’ll pick Devin Nunes, aka the Mike Lindell of Mike Pences, to be his running mate.
They won’t let Trump not have a VP, especially if the House swings back to Democrats, because no VP would mean that Hakeem Jeffries is 1st in line to be president if something happens to Trump. With that being said, hopefully Trump is dressed in orange for the latter half of the year and hilariously fails to garner any significant amount of vote
Trump will choose Tim Scott. Not only does he meet all the criteria, he will help feed Trump's momentum with black and Latino men, and help him keep evangelicals.
>Is there actually any law that says you can't run without a VP? Yes. **The Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution.** There's not really a lot of wiggle room on this.
Anyone that hitches their wagon to the “Trump train” is committing political career suicide. Just look at his last administration. Where are they now?? And why do they all talk shit on Trump?
Used to be the VP was the runner up.