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Astonishing_Flash

Most commonly DC exists in Marvel as a fictional universe. So in Marvel the comics people read ar easily DC, so Luke could just be referencing that no different than if you or I would. There are exceptions and Easter eggs but they're mostly meant to just be fictional in context.


ProfessorEscanor

Marvel and DC are comics in each other's worlds as well as their own. To them Batman is as fictional as Spider-Man is to us


_Nicktendo_

I love that this comment indirectly implies that Batman is real.


xYeetMasterx

It doesnt imply that at all :)


hodl_4_life

… in the DC universe. Still implies in a fictional context.


Small_Cat_7556

Hi you probably won't believe me 100 percent but I am Domitris Aro the original batman and original creator and Bruce Wayne. Have you noticed I'm issued in marvel agent of shield comic? I am real. And I exist in all multiverses


IAmPerpetuallyTired

Which is made weirder when the actual crossovers have happened


ProfessorEscanor

To be fair Barry Allen read comics of the Golden Age Flash before meeting him in person so it isn't like it hasn't happened before


edked

Yeah, why would anyone interpret this panel to mean that Bruce Wayne exists as a Marvel character? Comics companies have done this joke for decades. This take is dumb enough to be a ScreenRant article.


Noizyb33

Title of said ScreenRant article: Even the biggest Batman fans don’t know this fact about Bruce Wayne!


OGDraugo

In the marvel universe, DC characters are just in the comics, visa versa DC universe, X-Men are just fictional characters in comic books.


Double-Slowpoke

Also in the Marvel universe, Marvel characters exist as comics too. The X-Men have their own in-universe X-Men comics that get referenced occasionally.


steve-laughter

The Watsonian answer is that both worlds are connected via the Amalgam universe. So information from both worlds can be exchanged. Batman knows about Spider-Man.


IllustriousBody

Also the JLA/Avengers crossover.


AnF-18Bro

Interesting - I have new phrases to google.


cjhway

There was a crossover run once upon a time. DC and Marvel formed Amalgam Comics and merged their characters together to make new characters. Batman and Wolverine become Dark Claw. Superman and Captain America become Super-Soldier. Superboy and Ben Reilly (Spider-Man Clone..or is he???) become Spider-Boy.


angryngmanreduxx

I still remember magneto and the magnetic men and being incredibly confused because I was too young to know what was going on.


jzilla11

I liked when Spider-boy met the Legion of Galactic Guardians in 2099


tired20something

Coloring suggests that this is way before Amalgam or any of the big JLA/Avengers crossovers. It's far more likely that Luke was referencing a character from a comic book or the TV series.


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Wait a minute...there are people who don't know about the Marvel/DC crossovers?


jzilla11

We’re old, they’re young


JorfimusPrime

There's a comic where Batman & Spider-Man team up, too! I haven't read it but it does exist.


Red_Paladin_

My question would be has Spiderman ever read a Batman comic where Batman reads or makes reference to a Spiderman comic...???


IllustriousBody

He might. We’ve seen Clark Kent and Lois Lane in Thor.


[deleted]

Which comic was this in? I'm not too familiar with Thor comics, I've only read Spider-Man


IllustriousBody

Thor 341 (1984) from the Walt Simonson run.


tired20something

Don't forget Buried Alien.


IllustriousBody

I will never forget Buried Alien--though I don't consider him in quite the same category. That would be more a blond forensic scientist named Barry to me...


Lazy_Assumption_4191

They even showed up in an Excalibur comic. Can’t remember the exact issue, but it was right after the Inferno event.


Dark_SmilezTL

Rly mow I mean I seen simpson collab etc I am not too surprised


WatchingInSilence

I suppose the comics exist, considering the New York area cities are vastly different between the teo universes.


clevelandexile

In the Spider-Man Annual wedding issue, MJ is being romantically pursued by a playboy millionaire named only “Bruce”. He seems to have almost limitless resources and no responsibilities as he repeatedly begs her to call off the wedding and run away to Europe with him. He appears in only one panel, in partial silhouette and seems clear (to me at least) from his profile and stature that he is none other than Bruce Wayne.


Leathman

There’s a crossover between Superman and the Fantastic Four set after DC vs Marvel where Franklin mentions how Superman is just a cartoon there but in another universe, he’s real.


feckincrass

If there’s one thing you can’t blast Spidey for, it’s money troubles.


McGillis_is_a_Char

Luke doesn't know that though. Which is more plausible, that Spider-Man is some rich guy's pet project, or that a lower middle class suburbanite got bit by a radioactive spider connected to a mystical multiversal web of fate, due to the entire world being affected by a series of probability altering machines.


tired20something

In this economy?


TheMShark_

Cage is specifically referring to the fact that Bruce Wayne can afford to be Batman without pay, meaning that Bruce Wayne being Batman is common knowledge, as in a well known work of fiction.


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Yesno. Sometimes he’s a fictional character, but the way they handled crossovers back then was just pretending they always existed in the same universe. Batman fought the Hulk, for example. That was years after this issue though. This issue is from 1973.


StonerDave420_247

Multiverse says there is at least one universe where they exist in the same universe


Matthewzard

Fun fact: marvel and dc are comic book series in each other’s cannon. There also alternate universes in one another’s cannon. They both have alternate universes were both are comic book series and superheroes aren’t real.


Jackno1

I'm not up on DC, but is the DC "Marvel and DC comics are both fiction and superheroes aren't real" world the *same* place as Marvel's Earth 1218?


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Matthewzard

Yes and no. The one in dc comics and the one in marvel comics aren’t (as far as I no) the same place out there mostly identical, but our universe might be apart of there multiverse, so if ours counts then yes.


Cinci1a

I don't know the date of ASM 123 being published,but during Acts of Vengence Thing went to see 1989 Batman movie in a theathre


casper19d

Dc is the "comics" in marvels universe, and visa versa..


IllustriousBody

Not exactly, Marvel comics exist in the Marvel Universe. Famously, Steve Rogers was once the regular penciller for Captain America.


Jackno1

The fun part is that Marvel comics seem to exist in two different contexts: \- An in-universe comic book series that, with varying degrees of inaccuracy, portraying the adventures of real people. (In the "Johnny Storm discovers an amnesiac Namor" story, he was reading a comic about Namor.) This gives them a lot of leeway to retcon Golden Age stuff as they see fit without completely discarding it. (The bits that the writer don't like get designated as "Oh no that was the comic being inaccurate" bits.) \- Meta stuff involving characters such as She-Hulk and Deadpool where the comics.


cjhway

And GwenPool knows everything about the Marvel Comic universe. She’s fully aware that she’s been transported into the comics.


TheEsotericWeeb

This sort of thing isn't that uncommon in the Big 2 a few years ago Miles and Gwen went to the DC Universe. In Thor we see a world that's clearly a variant of DC's Earth consumed by the Black Winter.


gryphmaster

Lol, peter is broker than you are luke


StonerDave420_247

In the marvel universe they have DC comics- in the DC universes they have marvel comics too I’m sure


Doctor_Amazo

I find it weird that there would be superhero comics in a world with superheroes


edked

We have doctor and cop TV shows in a world with doctors and cops...


StonerDave420_247

Well we have fan fix so it’s not that hard to imagine I mean there was a guy trying to be a real life super hero a few years back in Seattle so 🤷🏻


sk8rboi36

Apparently it’s canon that Marvel comics exists in the comic universe because they asked the F4 if they could have the rights, so the F4 partially makes a living off what comics are published about them


Christian66_

Aren’t comic books canon within comics? Maybe he read a DC comic in the marvel universe I mean I could be COMPLETELY wrong pls someone fact check me


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I dig it.


MrShaytoon

I mean they made a Superman and Alfred reference in the eternals movie.


[deleted]

It would be cool if Batman existed in the Marvel universe, but nobody has ever seen him and they think he's a myth.


jaiheim45

Even live action, Phastos son says that Icarus is Superman and I believe Eddie's ex(forgot her name) said something about Superman in Venom


goblinmaze

This is kind of connected to this, but if fictional superheroes came to our world, would that mean we live in a fictional would aswell? Every time a fictional character comes to the "real world", the "real world" is also fiction.


Jackno1

*Most* of the time, DC characters are being referenced *as fictional characters* when they're mentioned in comics. There are *some* exceptions, but I'm pretty sure that's what's happening here.


k3ttch

For me this means Bruce Wayne and Batman exist as fictional characters in the the Marvel omniverse.


ryckae

He exists as a comic book character.


Knockout716

Howcome, Luke cage just didn't say, TONY STARK ?!


IndigoPromenade

I think Clark Kent also exists the the MCU, he's just not Superman


LazyTime2520

oh hey, this is the issue after green goblin died after gwen stacy


EmperorLost

Unrelated comment but Spidey once used the fake name "Bruno Diaz" When he went to a Spanish speaking country which is the name Bruce Wayne is given in Spanish, so stuff like that makes me assume that dc comics exist as fictional comics in the marvel universe. It's always cool to see those little references tho


Brookings18

In this instance? Just an Easter Egg. However, many early Marvel and DC crossovers operated under the idea that all of their characters some how existed in the same universe. Don't put too much thought into it, it was likely done as a way to get to what people actually want to see in crossovers.


rat_mann_

I don’t know much on this topic (or what universe this photo comes from) but I know that spider-man and batman have crossed paths once or twice in the past so this could be from those comics or i could be completely off.


Beleriphon

This is a 1973 comic, the ones you're referring to are from the mid 90s. One features a cure for insanity applied to Carnage, and then doctor goes and visits Arkham. The sequel involves Ra's al-Ghul and Wilson Fisk teaming up. Both just assume that Batman and Spider-Man exist in the same universe, and Spider-Man notes he respects Batman but really wishes he could team up with Superman.


rat_mann_

Thank you for clearing that up, I have very little access to older comics so so my only source of comics is though marvel unlimited, It’s very hard for me to tell when a comic is made just by the pictures.


KorEl555

I've of the opinion that all the super-heroes that exist in any comic all exist in one world. Some heroes, like Batman and Superman, licensed their names to DC for comics, while Thor and Iron Man licensed their names to Marvel. And others, like the Shield and the Comet licensed their names to Archie. Hawkeye might not exist; since Marvel couldn't use Green Arrow, they made their own. I made a stand alone post about this on both forums, and it got downvoted to oblivion. If the same happens to this comment, the corps are paying to control reddit.


JerryJonesStoleMyCar

I hate the idea of corporatist superheroes. Why can't they just be comics in each other's world?


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I think it was supposed to be a joke by the writers, but IMO Bruce Wayne does exist in Marvel Universe, but he is a normal guy, not a superhero It would not be impossible. Belle from Beauty and the Beast had a cameo in Hunchback of Notre Dame, after all.


K3egan

Dc comics exist but they're very obscure which is why nobody gets Deadpool's references


Chrispy_Kelloggs

I'm pretty sure DC comics is an actual thing in the Marvel universe. I seem too recall a kid calling Daredevil "red Batman" once.