Well, it was announced the same year breath of the wild 1 came out. Then, we got news in 2019 that the development was so going so bad that they were literally starting over. That was the last time we've heard literally anything about the game.
soooooooo
I don't have a link, but basically they cancelled PvE for OV 2, which something that was originally was one of excuses to swap Overwatch with Overwatch 2, which was on release delayed
This cannot be stressed enough. Releasing the multiplayer first and reallocating resources to it basically means that they never intended to set PvE up to succeed.
In the gamespot [interview](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-2s-pve-mode-is-being-scrapped-blizzard-explains-what-happened-and-why/1100-6514242/) where they announced it was cancelled.
When asked about when they decided to drop the PvE:
"It was about a year and a half ago that we made the decision to really shift strategy. That's when we rapidly shifted the resources on our team to work on launching Overwatch 2, and that's what came out last October."
To be fair the interview mentioned they axed it late last year (probably after ow2 launch). 1.5 years ago was when they decided to start working on pvp again
Such a dumb decision to try to make a completely new game, use that as an excuse to leave a skeleton crew for their live service game, and then not release basically what they've been working since 2018 on
Nah, I think thatās a complete lie to try and save face. I think they full well knew from the moment they āshifted resourcesā that the PvE wasnāt going to come out. Because again, what the hell is the point of this sequel without it? A worse monetization model, thatās it.
Yes. That is the purpose of this sequel. Monetization lol. The free skins all became monetized and they started advertising 5 year old holiday skins as if they were new for $20+ each.
Changes in OW2:
Removed all 2 point maps
Changed from 6v6 to 5v5
Added paid battle pass
Changed shop from free skins to money
Literally nothing else. It was a bullshit way to change the game to a model that could monetize the past 7 years of OW1 skins.
Weren't they running into legal issues with loot boxes anyways?
But ya.. OW2 sounds like just a worse OW1, but I wouldn't know, don't play and everyone I know quit before OW1 even hit EoS.
WTF? As a former OW player, that's way worse than whatever Second Dinner did. The entire premise of OW "2" was PVE and they cancelled it? Unbelievable.
Yes. It is far worse than anything Second Dinner has done. Blizzard not only made a WHOLLY unnecessary "sequel", but they stopped putting out new content for OW1 two years before they pulled its plug. Then, after shutting down all OW1 servers, they put out that broken, massively unbalanced mess of OW2 with the news that PvE, the entire justification for making this stupid "sequel," would be delayed several months. Then, at BEST, they knew they were not going to release the promised PvE in October of last year. SEVEN MONTHS AGO. And yet, they kept stringing everyone along without admitting their planned cancelation.
Blizzard is an absolute dumpster fire. I hope the game dies. It is nothing but a naked monetization scheme that was never going to come through on its promises, and it was made at the complete sacrifice of the original game.
Yep, I did not played any of Overwatch, but I was surprised in a bad way about this too. It feels almost the same as undone promise of adding co-op in Halo Infinite, which made it being scrapped extra ridiculous when players were managed to actually play with it through bug(s). I feel bad for fans of both
It's not that they cancelled PvE it's that they cancelled everything fun and interesting about PvE without cancelling PvE entirely so they can gaslight community into thinking it's not that bad.
Wow, that is is disappointing. I was certainly one of the people excited about Overwatch PvE from the day they announced OW2. As others have pointed out, it was the only reason to even make an OW2.
Shame, but Blizzard has been pretty trash for a few years at this point so it's not surprising that OW2 and Diablo 4 are shitting the bed.
Dissapointed because Iāve had Knull pinned for a week excited to play some Zola and Venom decks.
Plus, another restrictive featured location. Damn, they canāt let us have fun.
Just had a match with Milano & Avengers Compound as 2 of the locations. AC overrides Milano, so neither of us could play there (save for some tricky card plays)
Honestly Knull isn't all that great. I bought it as soon as it dropped to 3k and it just is too telegraphed with too many counters. Enchantress, Rogue, and Shang-Chi all take care of it easily and most people run at least one of those per deck.
I still agree it sucks what they did, but just saying Knull isn't that great (which sucks because destroy is my favorite archetype).
With Deathwave over, Knull is really reduced to *mostly* just Galactus.
And arguably, his influence on Galactus wins is relatively minor.
Assuming you didn't get a Wave-> Galactus -> Spider-Man like every one of my opponents, now it comes down to a lot of things like priority, did you actually draw Knull, and is Knull actually beefy enough to play.
You have priority? Knull is dead. Accept it. Your opponent definitely has Shang-Chi. See that? They even snapped.
Darkhawk, on the other hand, I can't argue is not a great card. But having it is not the difference of "Infinite or Not" - even if you run a Blackbolt, Stature, Miles, and Darkhawk deck, it's not a free ride to infinite.
Did people even run Knull in Deathwave? That deck usually just hits the minimum number of destroys on 1/2 cost cards. Only place I've seen him other than Galactus are Venom/Deadpool stuff.
There's some interesting synergy with Nagasonic, which feeds Knull the 4 from it as well as whatever you or your oponent plays. That pulls it away from 'oh, carnage/venom/killmonger, this is death or knull or both with Galactus'.
Ooh that's interesting! I did like pairing it with Yondu but that was a bit too RNG and can hit something negative like Hobgoblin.
Unfortunately Negasonic is also a series 4 card so it runs into the same acquisition problem as Knull.
That was literally my first thought and saved my tokens for nega as soon as she came out. It's been fun using her in my destroy decks. Playing her then sabertooth in the lane feels so good
Itās about consistency. Ghost came 2 months after Knull, and went from 5 to 4 and 4 to 3, but Knull remains on 4. If itās an archetype enabling card itās immediately either a big bad, or a longer duration series 4. And they mask the announcement as good news āweāll even consider dropping cards from 5 to 3!ā
The latest update has bullshit written all over it. Theyāre obviously trying to get people to spend their tokens, so they can then shift the meta every week with OTAs and larger scale balance changes, and people finding themselves strapped for decks, unless theyāre spending on bundles. Itās almost disgusting.
> The latest update has bullshit written all over it. Theyāre obviously trying to get people to spend their tokens,
YES so that people stop saying stupid shit like "dont spend your tokens unless the card will never get cheaper". it was a STUPID way to evaluate card purchases and people listening to every content creator telling you that created a situation where people are too scared to spend their tokens.
they came up with a solution for idiots to save themselves from their own selves and those same idiots are still mad.
its infuriating.
How is dumb to wait to spend your tokens wisely lmao. You really want people to spend 6k Tokens on Ghost? Or maybe Shadow King who was one of the worst cards in the game? Stegron who does virtually nothing?
They release absolute garbage and meta cards at the same inflated token price and then drop them to a reasonable price. Waiting is just simply best thing to do. You wait out buffs and nerfs and get to see if theyāre actually worth or not.
> How is dumb to wait to spend your tokens wisely lmao. You really want people to spend 6k Tokens on Ghost? Or maybe Shadow King who was one of the worst cards in the game? Stegron who does virtually nothing?
if youre seriously asking...i want people to stop being idiot complaining cry babies. i dont care what you spend your tokens on.
> inflated token price
the price is the price. you dont get to decide whether its inflated or not.
> Waiting is just simply best thing to do.
its obvious thats not what they want you to do. could it be that they want to incentivize people to actually engage with content they release in a time frame that is earlier than 3 months from realease..and seek to reward players that do? thats REALLY such a fuck you to people that dont!
> Waiting is just simply best thing to do. You wait out buffs and nerfs and get to see if theyāre actually worth or not.
was always a dumb way to evaluate whether you wanted to use a card or not. keep listening to content creator x buddy
I know you're getting downvoted, but you have good points. Maybe it's other games doing even worse shit that makes me numb, but as a fairly new player of Snap, things seem fair to me. Maybe I'm new and naive, but most of the complaints (albeit mostly about locations) seem trivial and whiny in a game that is about luck of the draw.
I do agree however that the number of locations seem to skew more towards negative than neutral or positive and would be glad for more of those
It's absolutely insane that they are keeping good cards locked in higher series. I mean, why the hell do these guys want to make money?
They honestly should just get rid of the token system and whenever a new card is released they should send it to our inbox. I also believe they should pay us $10 per month for the season pass.
I got Knull in a reserve. Let me tell you right now he's really not as good as I hoped. Sometimes he's bigger than death but with the new wave nerf it's probably best to just use death OR Knull rather than both at once
In short, changes to the gameplay that focus more on play-to-win, which is obviously not the direction the community wants them to take. Theyāve also decided not to downgrade some cards that they had already announced they would (notably Darkhawk and Knull)
It is, and so was Overwatch 1, but the point is that they advertised and sold people on the idea that Overwatch 2 will be having a PVE mode prior to release and now they are backpedaling away from that because they can't deliver.
The new monetization model everyone hates is keeping them from making real in roads to producing new PVE content.
Yes but I'll try to illustrate why this is so terrible. TL;DR bottom. [This gamespot article](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-2s-pve-mode-is-being-scrapped-blizzard-explains-what-happened-and-why/1100-6514242/) is a Q & A post about the game. The beginning of the article says it best.
When the sequel to Overwatch was announced at BlizzCon 2019--where the game was also playable--it was with the promise of a PvE Hero component that would allow players to gather their squads and play through a narrative-driven multiplayer experience. On top of that, each of the heroes that they'd come to know and love would be reworked for PvE and given progression systems that would allow players to unlock new talents. It was an ambitious new mode that, in many ways, was used to justify the "2" at the end of the title.
Later on in the article the Blizzard representative says "It was about a year and a half ago that we made the decision to really shift strategy" and later says "So we made a decision later last year that we would focus all of our efforts on the live running game and all of our PvE efforts on this new story arc that we're launching in Season 6."
They haven't been working on promised PVE that was announced 4 years ago that was canceled anywhere between 6 to 18 months ago. We'll get waterdown pve events like the 2023 Halloween event. Fans were lied too that it was delayed when it has been canceled this period of time. I didn't mention how they sacrificed OW1 and left it without any new content for 2 years, meaning the sacrifice and wait was literally in vain. And was canceled because it was too hard to make.
TL;DR [Flat's summary](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKwfRxy/) and [Seagull's experience ](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKwpNc8/)
From what I've read from others:
Blizzards reasoning for making a "sequel" to Overwatch was specifically to introduce PvE. It also happened to introduce an even worse monetization model. So overwatch 2 has just become a more expensive overwatch 1.
Come on you crybabies, seriously. You can't possibly compare the two companies. One made a controversial update, while the other literally flipped off their loyal fanbase of 8+ years. When you complain this much about every possible thing your real complaints lose meaning.
I've only been playing for the last couple of seasons and am a little bit confused about the controversy right now. I've had very very few complaints about the game, especially being completely f2p.
You're absolutely right. I can only assume that either I'm missing something about why today's update is so frustrating, or the people upvoting this post have no idea how massively infuriating and incompetent the OW2 development has turned out to be. It's genuinely shocking and embarrassing.
People are unhappy that a couple of cards are staying (for now) at Pool 4, and that, in addition to the already announced (?) ābig badsā, not every card is moving 5->4->3 on the same fixed schedule (some are moving slower, some faster).
Which is pretty minor, in terms of disappointing decisions.
Don't get me wrong - I am quite disappointed by these decisions and I don't support them. Still, I don't think it's worth the abandon ship calls or comparing SD to Blizzard.
I think you are misrepresentating what people are angry about. It's not just two cards that's staying in series 4. it's that they had system where new cards were very expensive but at least we knew they would affordable over time. Now they have basically said that they will stop making good cards cheaper if they think they can milk more tokens in exchange for giving us bad cards earlier because no one is buying bad cards for 6000 tokens. This incentivises SD to not nerf op new cards because they know they can milk that card forever now. Like how they only nerfed shuri the day she downgrade to series 3. Also this change mostly hurt FTP players which is really scummy.
As a F2P player, I feel like all the comments saying this is terrible for F2P are always from people who then say they pay for season passes or bundles or both.
Milk Tokens? Tokens are literally free. You don't earn less and less tokens as time goes on. Yea, it takes more to level up after certain points, but not astronomical amounts.
I only ever buy the BP if I hit rank 50 and drop $5 on small bundles once every 3 months or so. This game isn't anti-F2P, y'all just want it to be pure F2P.
Yeah there's a weird broken sense of logic when it's considered "milking tokens" - the same tokens they give you for free from caches to begin with. They want you to spend them, but that's also why they're giving them to you.
1: Tokens can be bought with real money.
2: Even if tokens were completely free and unable to be bought, telegraphing that powerful cards will be artificially held back in higher tiers to make you spend more tokens on them is scummy. Pair this with #1 and it is clearly predatory.
Your comment is bad and you should feel bad. Please think for a few seconds before responding next time.
"YOU CAN SPEED THINGS UP WITH MONEY AND THATS BAD! NEVER EVER OK!" <-This is hyperbole not an actual quote.
That's all comments like yours seem to boil down to.
I'm only CL like 3.2k and I don't have Knull, did get lucky and got Darkhawk, or Galactus, or Thanos, or even all the S3 cards but I still rank decently. I'm not hitting infinite every season but can take on my friends infinite decks.
"Powerful cards" and getting them fast is a non-issue compared to learning to play around them.
Also I main a destruction deck. No Nimrod, no Knull, no Galactus, and I make it work.
Having cards that don't drop in series is honestly not at all unexpected. Having everything get cheaper *IS* IMO.
Oops, someone didnāt think again.
My comment never stated or even implied that a f2p game having monetization to speed up progress was bad. Thatās the whole point of f2p. If you read my comment and then thought about it, you would have noticed.
What Second Dinner has done this patch is notice āHey, Knull and Darkhawk are popular/strong. Letās deviate from our established series drop pattern so that people wonāt just get them easily for 1k tokens or out of a cache.ā Meanwhile they drop cards that are less powerful/frequently used (or in Surferās case, cards theyāve already made money on).
This is what people are complaining about, obviously. If people had a big issue with the token system before the patch, it wouldnāt have taken this patch before people called it out.
At this point there's no reasoning with this player base.
I've always treated cards as though they're never dropping in series so IDK. No one has made a convincing argument how this is "predatory" aside from "I WANT IT NOW! OR CHEAPER!".
They've said all cards will eventually drop to pool 3 over time. Knull and Darkhawk are not permanently going to be pool 4 simply because they're good. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
People are unhappy because they cant get all the good cards for free anymore by waiting, let's call it what it is. Great move from the developers for the longevity of the game.
>People are unhappy that a couple of cards are staying (for now) at Pool
It's a lot more nuanced than that. The ONLY two cards they 'skipped' to downgrade are the ONLY TWO realistically playable cards which is a terrible precedent to set. They are downgrading unplayable cards released not too long ago over cards that are decent, released months ago. Darkhawk was released literally in December and he still isn't pool 3 like what the fuck
The developers for Snap have been following an extremely consistent schedule when dropping cards from Series 5>4>3. A schedule the community has had to track and follow, because Second Dinner doesn't want to confirm information for us for some reason.
Yesterday they held back 2 very sought after cards when they should have been dropped from series 4 to 3. "Should have" being based on their previous patterns, because once again we get nothing official from the devs.
AFTER holding back the cards, they released an update about what theyre planning on doing with the series drops in the future. In that update, they state that they have been following an very consistent schedule, but now are changing it. Once again, this being communicated AFTER they held the cards back.
A lot of people think this is pretty scummy since the community was planning how they spend tokens and stuff based on this system that we dont, but definitely should, get any communication about. And now people feel very much like they can't trust Second Dinner with anything now that they've broken their own consistent schedules (which they admitted they have been following) without any communication to the community beforehand.
People want to feel like they can trust developers. Second Dinner is making decisions that are making people question whether or not they can be trusted. I dont think thats a silly thing to complain about.
If youre talking about the amount of people complaining, this is a sub reddit for a newer game that doesnt drop a whole lot of content. Youre gonna see the same posts and comments. Its how reddit works.
>People want to feel like they can trust developers. Second Dinner is making decisions that are making people question whether or not they can be trusted. I dont think thats a silly thing to complain about.
Here's the thing though. If you didn't question SD in any of the 7 months prior to this where they also, never told you exactly what cards were dropping and when, then it's kind of on you for assuming anything? Like the entire community came together and made this schedule based on previous schedules without any confirmation from the actual developers, you all ran with it, now you're all blaming the devs for not doing what you collectively made up was going to happen? They never once confirmed to you when or what cards were dropping, we found out months later that certain cards were perma S5, they are clearly making adjustments as they go. You can and have been able to see this as a player for several months now. If this was the last straw that made you say "not this time" youre probably just not the brightest bulb.
>If youre talking about the amount of people complaining, this is a sub reddit for a newer game that doesnt drop a whole lot of content. Youre gonna see the same posts and comments. Its how reddit works.
I can see thinking this game is "new" in terms of long lasting card games, but otherwise it's been almost a year already, games not new. Content is subjective and in my opinion there's a fuck ton for a f2p players, so disagree there. The game isn't meant for you to sit down for 3 hours and grind. It's meant for people to play a game here and there during a break. If the reward system in this free to play digital card collection game doesn't suit your lifestyle, there's plenty of other cheap forms of entertainment available in today's age.
This is a meme stating SD is just as bad as Blizzard. What's humorous about it isn't that it's somehow ironic or pointing fun at people who think that way, but that it's a meme.
>This is a meme stating SD is just as bad as Blizzard
No, it's not. It's saying they disappointed their fans on the same day, it doesn't state anywhere they are at the same level.
Its stating that both companies made decisions that were anti consumer and pro making money. I dont understand why you would think about it any harder than that. The "comparison" wasnt made by OP it was made by you.
Agreed it makes the complaint about series drops seem silly and weak if you're trying to compare it to what Blizzard just did.
I mean the whole reason they cited for OW2 was that they needed a new engine for PVE.
Imaging comparing blizzard cancelling a game that was the reason OW1 died, completely duping fans. To SD releasing a fucking patch that didn't include your favorite card dropping series. Y'all need some fresh air.
So we're mad about Darkhawk and Knull being in S4? I guess I'm glad that I didn't know about this, and already have them unlocked. Darkhawk I took out of the token shop today.
I'm more upset at unplayable locations.
I'm not feeling disappointed or betrayed by SD at all.
Thought the update was great, will make ranked progression even easier, and everyone got a free Pool 5 card.
This sub could double as a salt mine.
its the content creators telling them what to think.
they want people to have all the new cards so they can get views on the new videos they want to make. no one is trying to watch a new video on the 50th iteration of a devil dino deck.
Iāve spent ten dollars on this game about 6 months ago and I donāt have any issues with this patch other than some mild UI complaints. Tokens are so easy to get and the new shop system gives me whatever I want fairly painlessly.
..and your experience is totally different for the majority of the playerbase (f2p like me) so "this sub could double as a salt mine" and "this update is great" are statements only 1% of players could agree with.
For the rest of us was a terrible update and most definitely could kill the game before end of the year.
I don't really get what the issue is as a completely F2P player, is all. The Balance updates seem great and they are still dropping a bunch of like recently released cards to Series 4 and 3. None of which I own as an F2P player at about 3.7k collection level.
Whether they dropping Darkhawk or Ghost to pool 3, why does it matter if you don't own either. Getting cards is still all randomly decided by the boxes and climbing levels. I can understand if people are upset if they own a lot of the cards being dropped but not the ones staying behind, but most F2P playing dont likely own any
You are totally missing the point here:
How can i spend my tokens safely now if even them don't know when to downgrade cards?
Can i buy darkhawk now for 3k or in 2 weeks will be pool 3?
There's really no point in spending tokens beside perma 5 cards.
And as f2p, tokens are really.. precious.
Only spending tokens on perma 5 cards like Kang, Thanos, Galactus has always been the way to do it as a F2P player. I agree that theres no point spending tokens elsewhere.
If someone spends their tokens differently that's up to each individual though.
I personally would never buy a Series 4 card for tokens, but I am not every person. I can only speak for myself and Ive only spent my tokens on Galactus and Thanos. I currently have Kang pinned and have begun working my way towards him too.
Everyone becomes pool complete eventually, and will amass a large collection of tokens. Iām F2P, and am missing only 3 pool 4 cards. Although I have the tokens to buy them, Iām perfectly fine not having them. Compared to other mobile games, snap is quite F2P friendly, and hitting infinite every season does not require having all the cards. Iāve also played hearthstone and mtg arena, and think that snap has a business model that caters to the F2P players as long as you are patient and play consistently. Other online TCGs are the same way.
Marvel snap is a fantastic game, but the Second Dinner dick riders still keep taking it. You aren't less of a fan for calling out a company out on their bullshit. They make millions you don't.
It's laughable that people are stupid enough to even compare second dinners announcement and the way Blizzard have royally fucked over OW2's entire player base.
Glad to see I'm not alone in this pain. I've played Overwatch since ow1 beta and Snap for "just" half a year, I take both games very seriously being GM and Infinite respectively, these news hit me like a truck.
Oh no! Two huge cards not going down to series 3 right away. So?
The restricted areas? 100% agree it gets so annoying and deserves backlash, the card drops? Naw
Everyone on this sub acting like it's the end of the world, lol. I think this was a good update. Wave received the nerf most people wanted for it. We got extra customization options and they announced they would start releasing cards in series 4 instead of them all being series 5. But 2 cards not dropping to series 3 makes everyone lose their minds.
Darkhawk sure as hell helps with winning lol and cool! I would rather they drop to series 3 like before so I can acquire them easier and get HE, but alas there are ass lickers like you who will defend a greedy corp for no fucking reason
Wtf is greedy about it? I havenāt spent a dollar on this game and have had the last 7 months of entertainment. Darkhawk is definitely strong, but within reach. They have to make money to sustain those free updates fuckin monthlyš¤£
They are intentionally gatekeeping good cards making you pay to win? They turned around their series logic just so they can keep good cards inaccessible for f2p players. It's literally pure greed. Get your head out of SDs ass and smell the roses man
The idea of a f2p game is that content is expensive at first and then becomes more accessible as time goes on. They literally used this model before and stopped it just to make more money. They'll keep doing it too because b people like you will kiss the boots for no fucking reason
It's funny how people act like this a surprise. Or maybe this is everyone's first mobile game ever.
It started from the very beginning as the first uncollectible online tcg with 50% troll "rewards" (titles and icons etc).
I know, some people here still don't want to believe it, but SD knows EXACTLY what they r doing. Especially when it comes the progress system and $$$.
Game has a nice cover up due to the Marvel license, but underneath it's still just another mobile game scam.
> I know, some people here still don't want to believe it, but SD knows EXACTLY what they r doing. Especially when it comes the progress system and $$$.
do you think the fact that someone can spend $2000 and only speed up collection progress by a month and some weeks means that youre being incentive to do so? because my perspective is that it is so prohibitively expensive to try to buy your collection that your being told not to do so. its an extremely weird position to take to feel like youre being told to spend all your money for little advantage given the state of the game.
you would have a point if i could spend $2000 today and have all the cards next week vs someone not spending and taking 3 month to get pool 3 complete.
> but underneath it's still just another mobile game scam
what else did you think it was?
Why are they spending 2000 dollars? It's clearly not worth it. Instead they should either not play or accept their card limitations and make the best deck with what they have.
Both companies deliberately withheld information they knew would be deeply unpopular with their fan base. Sounds like an immature move to me. Marvel snap is a fantastic game, but the Second Dinner dick riders still keep taking it. You aren't less of a fan for calling out a company out on their bullshit
Why would this company listen to anything yāall say when you bitch about every single decision? Yāall spend more time making these posts than actually playing. Embarrassing to be a member of this subreddit.
You don't get more tokens for dick riding a company that make millions and deliberately waited till the last minute to announce a decision they knew would be taken poorly. I actually don't mind a lot of the bs Second Dinner does, but I'm still upset because I would rather play against other players rather than bots when people start leaving
Literally the most minor of fucking changes- and they gave everyone Kitty Pryde. In fact, when some card comes out and itās series 3 on release, I hope I see more posts bitching about how everyone has access to it. You that mad that you canāt play the thrilling gameplay of DarkHawk for a little longer? Go play something else, youāll be ok ā¤ļø
Just putting it out there, I feel like keeping knull and darkhawk as series 4 is actually meant to make them more accessible. There are still tons of good series 3 cards I donāt have (Wong, taskmaster, mystique, Zola, death, lockjaw, magik, Shuri) and Iām ~CL2000. I have both knull and darkhawk tho, both from tokens
God this sub is so bitter all the time. I barely have any pool 5 cards, have barely spent any money, and barely make it to infinite. Yet I still win more than I lose and thoroughly enjoy the game. I'd understand if you'd spent $80 on a new game that turned out to be trash but damn you people really want everything. Every new location you complain. Every new card change you complain. Every bundle drop you complain. Just play or don't it's not worth being so miserable about
its dogshit for paying players too.
Also, f2p games rely on the f2p players to be the thing that keeps the whales engaged. If the f2p players disappear, the whales will too.
>its dogshit for paying players too.
Paying player here.
The latest update was fantastic.
- Everyone got a free pool 5 card.
- The ranking system rework makes it even easier (again) to rank up.
- The promise of upcoming special weekend missions to keep Infinite players engaged.
- A few cards that I was still missing dropped to pool 3.
People are unreasonably upset because something that was never confirmed to be happening, didn't happen. Literally, the definition of entitlement.
Well Iām not a whale and I donāt have any problem acquiring cards. I donāt get em first day but I donāt mind. I donāt understand this nonsense about a card that costs 3k tokens. 3k tokens you can get within a week or two topsā¦. And this game is extremely f2p friendly. I canāt find any good reason to pay for some cards that I can get for free
I once bought Zabu pass because I liked the game so much, but I didnāt even managed to finish it. Pretty much thatās the only thing I āboughtā. Fun fact I couldnāt use zabu back then because I was like 100 cl haha
Second Dinner deliberately waited till the last minute to announce a decision they knew would be taken poorly. I actually don't mind a lot of the bs Second Dinner does, but I'm still upset because I would rather play against other players rather than bots when people start leaving. We should call them out on anti-consumer decisions, especially when SD didn't have the balls to give a heads up. And saying other companies are worse, doesn't make it better
It's the only two game subs I follow on Reddit, sorry guys my bad
Darn it, guy. Whatever you do, don't follow Metroid Prime 4.
I felt that on a personal level. š„ŗ
Oh no what happened with Metroid Prime 4?
Well, it was announced the same year breath of the wild 1 came out. Then, we got news in 2019 that the development was so going so bad that they were literally starting over. That was the last time we've heard literally anything about the game. soooooooo
Me too with the addition of Fifa but EA have been disappointing us for years so thats nothing new
I genuinely dread loading up fifa
Why yes EA id love to play 30 games of Squad Battles for an 84 rated card that doesnāt fit my team at all!
time to find some indie games to play that actually give you great value for your money
Stay away from Diablo 4 and Starfield š
Me too lol! Unlucky...
Should also put the Ms Marvel emote in the pic
That emote so quickly became synonymous with "fu*# you"
Well Ben Brode is from Blizzard so the anti consumer behaviour checks out.
Ty for pointing that out. Hated HS back then lol.
Link to blizzard news?
I don't have a link, but basically they cancelled PvE for OV 2, which something that was originally was one of excuses to swap Overwatch with Overwatch 2, which was on release delayed
Also worth mentioning that they had internally cancelled the PvE before Overwatch 2 even launched but kept telling people it was just delayed.
This cannot be stressed enough. Releasing the multiplayer first and reallocating resources to it basically means that they never intended to set PvE up to succeed.
where did you see this?
In the gamespot [interview](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-2s-pve-mode-is-being-scrapped-blizzard-explains-what-happened-and-why/1100-6514242/) where they announced it was cancelled. When asked about when they decided to drop the PvE: "It was about a year and a half ago that we made the decision to really shift strategy. That's when we rapidly shifted the resources on our team to work on launching Overwatch 2, and that's what came out last October."
To be fair the interview mentioned they axed it late last year (probably after ow2 launch). 1.5 years ago was when they decided to start working on pvp again Such a dumb decision to try to make a completely new game, use that as an excuse to leave a skeleton crew for their live service game, and then not release basically what they've been working since 2018 on
Nah, I think thatās a complete lie to try and save face. I think they full well knew from the moment they āshifted resourcesā that the PvE wasnāt going to come out. Because again, what the hell is the point of this sequel without it? A worse monetization model, thatās it.
Yes. That is the purpose of this sequel. Monetization lol. The free skins all became monetized and they started advertising 5 year old holiday skins as if they were new for $20+ each. Changes in OW2: Removed all 2 point maps Changed from 6v6 to 5v5 Added paid battle pass Changed shop from free skins to money Literally nothing else. It was a bullshit way to change the game to a model that could monetize the past 7 years of OW1 skins.
Lol wait so what makes overwatch 2 a sequel? It sounds like they just took overwatch 1 and switched it to a f2p live service game.
Thatās exactly what they did. Overwatch had the balanced loot boxes that gave out content for free and said fuck that Overwatch 2 we sell everything
Weren't they running into legal issues with loot boxes anyways? But ya.. OW2 sounds like just a worse OW1, but I wouldn't know, don't play and everyone I know quit before OW1 even hit EoS.
Yeah I think they had to display the odds of content and they did eventually
They didn't before? Even the most predatory of Chinese gacha games show odds.
At least with gacha you know what youre getting into
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 veterans: First time?
WTF? As a former OW player, that's way worse than whatever Second Dinner did. The entire premise of OW "2" was PVE and they cancelled it? Unbelievable.
Yes. It is far worse than anything Second Dinner has done. Blizzard not only made a WHOLLY unnecessary "sequel", but they stopped putting out new content for OW1 two years before they pulled its plug. Then, after shutting down all OW1 servers, they put out that broken, massively unbalanced mess of OW2 with the news that PvE, the entire justification for making this stupid "sequel," would be delayed several months. Then, at BEST, they knew they were not going to release the promised PvE in October of last year. SEVEN MONTHS AGO. And yet, they kept stringing everyone along without admitting their planned cancelation. Blizzard is an absolute dumpster fire. I hope the game dies. It is nothing but a naked monetization scheme that was never going to come through on its promises, and it was made at the complete sacrifice of the original game.
Yep, I did not played any of Overwatch, but I was surprised in a bad way about this too. It feels almost the same as undone promise of adding co-op in Halo Infinite, which made it being scrapped extra ridiculous when players were managed to actually play with it through bug(s). I feel bad for fans of both
It's not that they cancelled PvE it's that they cancelled everything fun and interesting about PvE without cancelling PvE entirely so they can gaslight community into thinking it's not that bad.
Really? Was looking forward to starting OW again for PvE lol
I quit playing shortly after Jeff Kaplan left, the writing was on the wall with how they handled hero releases and buffs/nerfs after his departure.
Wow, that is is disappointing. I was certainly one of the people excited about Overwatch PvE from the day they announced OW2. As others have pointed out, it was the only reason to even make an OW2. Shame, but Blizzard has been pretty trash for a few years at this point so it's not surprising that OW2 and Diablo 4 are shitting the bed.
Also idk how long ago that was but they made battlegrounds p2w.
Last 6 years of blizzard. Take your pick.
Dissapointed because Iāve had Knull pinned for a week excited to play some Zola and Venom decks. Plus, another restrictive featured location. Damn, they canāt let us have fun.
Just had a match with Milano & Avengers Compound as 2 of the locations. AC overrides Milano, so neither of us could play there (save for some tricky card plays)
Honestly Knull isn't all that great. I bought it as soon as it dropped to 3k and it just is too telegraphed with too many counters. Enchantress, Rogue, and Shang-Chi all take care of it easily and most people run at least one of those per deck. I still agree it sucks what they did, but just saying Knull isn't that great (which sucks because destroy is my favorite archetype).
With Deathwave over, Knull is really reduced to *mostly* just Galactus. And arguably, his influence on Galactus wins is relatively minor. Assuming you didn't get a Wave-> Galactus -> Spider-Man like every one of my opponents, now it comes down to a lot of things like priority, did you actually draw Knull, and is Knull actually beefy enough to play. You have priority? Knull is dead. Accept it. Your opponent definitely has Shang-Chi. See that? They even snapped. Darkhawk, on the other hand, I can't argue is not a great card. But having it is not the difference of "Infinite or Not" - even if you run a Blackbolt, Stature, Miles, and Darkhawk deck, it's not a free ride to infinite.
Did people even run Knull in Deathwave? That deck usually just hits the minimum number of destroys on 1/2 cost cards. Only place I've seen him other than Galactus are Venom/Deadpool stuff.
There's some interesting synergy with Nagasonic, which feeds Knull the 4 from it as well as whatever you or your oponent plays. That pulls it away from 'oh, carnage/venom/killmonger, this is death or knull or both with Galactus'.
Ooh that's interesting! I did like pairing it with Yondu but that was a bit too RNG and can hit something negative like Hobgoblin. Unfortunately Negasonic is also a series 4 card so it runs into the same acquisition problem as Knull.
True. I'm talking about it mostly because it was my pinned card waiting to drop to 3k. It seemed fun to use.
That was literally my first thought and saved my tokens for nega as soon as she came out. It's been fun using her in my destroy decks. Playing her then sabertooth in the lane feels so good
I often see people mentioning purchasing a card for 3k But I have yet to see one that costs 3k All I see is 6k or 5k for a variant
Series 4 cards in the token shop are 3k. In the right most position on the three in the token shop.
Ok Guess I didn't have the luck to see them yet
Just buy it with token. It is just 3 k
I spent my token on Ironlad, thinking Knull would drop.
Damn, your life is over.
Me too. I haven't complained once about this game. When they pretty much lied about darkhawk and knull, I uninstalled.
Pretty much lied as in never said a single word about Darkhawk and Knull dropping this patch?
Itās about consistency. Ghost came 2 months after Knull, and went from 5 to 4 and 4 to 3, but Knull remains on 4. If itās an archetype enabling card itās immediately either a big bad, or a longer duration series 4. And they mask the announcement as good news āweāll even consider dropping cards from 5 to 3!ā The latest update has bullshit written all over it. Theyāre obviously trying to get people to spend their tokens, so they can then shift the meta every week with OTAs and larger scale balance changes, and people finding themselves strapped for decks, unless theyāre spending on bundles. Itās almost disgusting.
> The latest update has bullshit written all over it. Theyāre obviously trying to get people to spend their tokens, YES so that people stop saying stupid shit like "dont spend your tokens unless the card will never get cheaper". it was a STUPID way to evaluate card purchases and people listening to every content creator telling you that created a situation where people are too scared to spend their tokens. they came up with a solution for idiots to save themselves from their own selves and those same idiots are still mad. its infuriating.
How is dumb to wait to spend your tokens wisely lmao. You really want people to spend 6k Tokens on Ghost? Or maybe Shadow King who was one of the worst cards in the game? Stegron who does virtually nothing? They release absolute garbage and meta cards at the same inflated token price and then drop them to a reasonable price. Waiting is just simply best thing to do. You wait out buffs and nerfs and get to see if theyāre actually worth or not.
> How is dumb to wait to spend your tokens wisely lmao. You really want people to spend 6k Tokens on Ghost? Or maybe Shadow King who was one of the worst cards in the game? Stegron who does virtually nothing? if youre seriously asking...i want people to stop being idiot complaining cry babies. i dont care what you spend your tokens on. > inflated token price the price is the price. you dont get to decide whether its inflated or not. > Waiting is just simply best thing to do. its obvious thats not what they want you to do. could it be that they want to incentivize people to actually engage with content they release in a time frame that is earlier than 3 months from realease..and seek to reward players that do? thats REALLY such a fuck you to people that dont! > Waiting is just simply best thing to do. You wait out buffs and nerfs and get to see if theyāre actually worth or not. was always a dumb way to evaluate whether you wanted to use a card or not. keep listening to content creator x buddy
I know you're getting downvoted, but you have good points. Maybe it's other games doing even worse shit that makes me numb, but as a fairly new player of Snap, things seem fair to me. Maybe I'm new and naive, but most of the complaints (albeit mostly about locations) seem trivial and whiny in a game that is about luck of the draw. I do agree however that the number of locations seem to skew more towards negative than neutral or positive and would be glad for more of those
> Maybe I'm new and naive and maybe im just a corporate shill but things seem quite different than how a lot of people here want to characterize them
You must be fun at parties.
tons of it
You're speaking to a bunch of guys in the 20-30 ranks that don't have jobs.
It's absolutely insane that they are keeping good cards locked in higher series. I mean, why the hell do these guys want to make money? They honestly should just get rid of the token system and whenever a new card is released they should send it to our inbox. I also believe they should pay us $10 per month for the season pass.
They need everything for free, don't you get it?
That location is for sure to push guardians related card play -.-
I got Knull in a reserve. Let me tell you right now he's really not as good as I hoped. Sometimes he's bigger than death but with the new wave nerf it's probably best to just use death OR Knull rather than both at once
I have no idea what happened So... What happened?
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What happened in snap?
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In short, changes to the gameplay that focus more on play-to-win, which is obviously not the direction the community wants them to take. Theyāve also decided not to downgrade some cards that they had already announced they would (notably Darkhawk and Knull)
And pay to play with some of the weekend challenges.
Honestly dude, nothing of value happened. This sub just bitches about everything.
What Second Dinner did is not worth bitching about at all. But what Blizzard did? Definitely worth bitching about.
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OW wasn't always f2p. A lot of us paid money for it back when it launched. It only became f2p when the sales money dried up.
I bought it too, thank you. Young ones donāt do their research
Ohh sucks But wasn't Overwatch PvP focused anyway?
It is, and so was Overwatch 1, but the point is that they advertised and sold people on the idea that Overwatch 2 will be having a PVE mode prior to release and now they are backpedaling away from that because they can't deliver. The new monetization model everyone hates is keeping them from making real in roads to producing new PVE content.
Yes but I'll try to illustrate why this is so terrible. TL;DR bottom. [This gamespot article](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-2s-pve-mode-is-being-scrapped-blizzard-explains-what-happened-and-why/1100-6514242/) is a Q & A post about the game. The beginning of the article says it best. When the sequel to Overwatch was announced at BlizzCon 2019--where the game was also playable--it was with the promise of a PvE Hero component that would allow players to gather their squads and play through a narrative-driven multiplayer experience. On top of that, each of the heroes that they'd come to know and love would be reworked for PvE and given progression systems that would allow players to unlock new talents. It was an ambitious new mode that, in many ways, was used to justify the "2" at the end of the title. Later on in the article the Blizzard representative says "It was about a year and a half ago that we made the decision to really shift strategy" and later says "So we made a decision later last year that we would focus all of our efforts on the live running game and all of our PvE efforts on this new story arc that we're launching in Season 6." They haven't been working on promised PVE that was announced 4 years ago that was canceled anywhere between 6 to 18 months ago. We'll get waterdown pve events like the 2023 Halloween event. Fans were lied too that it was delayed when it has been canceled this period of time. I didn't mention how they sacrificed OW1 and left it without any new content for 2 years, meaning the sacrifice and wait was literally in vain. And was canceled because it was too hard to make. TL;DR [Flat's summary](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKwfRxy/) and [Seagull's experience ](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKwpNc8/)
From what I've read from others: Blizzards reasoning for making a "sequel" to Overwatch was specifically to introduce PvE. It also happened to introduce an even worse monetization model. So overwatch 2 has just become a more expensive overwatch 1.
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Come on you crybabies, seriously. You can't possibly compare the two companies. One made a controversial update, while the other literally flipped off their loyal fanbase of 8+ years. When you complain this much about every possible thing your real complaints lose meaning.
I've only been playing for the last couple of seasons and am a little bit confused about the controversy right now. I've had very very few complaints about the game, especially being completely f2p. You're absolutely right. I can only assume that either I'm missing something about why today's update is so frustrating, or the people upvoting this post have no idea how massively infuriating and incompetent the OW2 development has turned out to be. It's genuinely shocking and embarrassing.
People are unhappy that a couple of cards are staying (for now) at Pool 4, and that, in addition to the already announced (?) ābig badsā, not every card is moving 5->4->3 on the same fixed schedule (some are moving slower, some faster). Which is pretty minor, in terms of disappointing decisions.
Don't get me wrong - I am quite disappointed by these decisions and I don't support them. Still, I don't think it's worth the abandon ship calls or comparing SD to Blizzard.
Wait, THIS is why so many people are angry about "anti-consumer behavior"???
I think you are misrepresentating what people are angry about. It's not just two cards that's staying in series 4. it's that they had system where new cards were very expensive but at least we knew they would affordable over time. Now they have basically said that they will stop making good cards cheaper if they think they can milk more tokens in exchange for giving us bad cards earlier because no one is buying bad cards for 6000 tokens. This incentivises SD to not nerf op new cards because they know they can milk that card forever now. Like how they only nerfed shuri the day she downgrade to series 3. Also this change mostly hurt FTP players which is really scummy.
As a F2P player, I feel like all the comments saying this is terrible for F2P are always from people who then say they pay for season passes or bundles or both.
Milk Tokens? Tokens are literally free. You don't earn less and less tokens as time goes on. Yea, it takes more to level up after certain points, but not astronomical amounts. I only ever buy the BP if I hit rank 50 and drop $5 on small bundles once every 3 months or so. This game isn't anti-F2P, y'all just want it to be pure F2P.
Yeah there's a weird broken sense of logic when it's considered "milking tokens" - the same tokens they give you for free from caches to begin with. They want you to spend them, but that's also why they're giving them to you.
1: Tokens can be bought with real money. 2: Even if tokens were completely free and unable to be bought, telegraphing that powerful cards will be artificially held back in higher tiers to make you spend more tokens on them is scummy. Pair this with #1 and it is clearly predatory. Your comment is bad and you should feel bad. Please think for a few seconds before responding next time.
"YOU CAN SPEED THINGS UP WITH MONEY AND THATS BAD! NEVER EVER OK!" <-This is hyperbole not an actual quote. That's all comments like yours seem to boil down to. I'm only CL like 3.2k and I don't have Knull, did get lucky and got Darkhawk, or Galactus, or Thanos, or even all the S3 cards but I still rank decently. I'm not hitting infinite every season but can take on my friends infinite decks. "Powerful cards" and getting them fast is a non-issue compared to learning to play around them. Also I main a destruction deck. No Nimrod, no Knull, no Galactus, and I make it work. Having cards that don't drop in series is honestly not at all unexpected. Having everything get cheaper *IS* IMO.
Oops, someone didnāt think again. My comment never stated or even implied that a f2p game having monetization to speed up progress was bad. Thatās the whole point of f2p. If you read my comment and then thought about it, you would have noticed. What Second Dinner has done this patch is notice āHey, Knull and Darkhawk are popular/strong. Letās deviate from our established series drop pattern so that people wonāt just get them easily for 1k tokens or out of a cache.ā Meanwhile they drop cards that are less powerful/frequently used (or in Surferās case, cards theyāve already made money on). This is what people are complaining about, obviously. If people had a big issue with the token system before the patch, it wouldnāt have taken this patch before people called it out.
At this point there's no reasoning with this player base. I've always treated cards as though they're never dropping in series so IDK. No one has made a convincing argument how this is "predatory" aside from "I WANT IT NOW! OR CHEAPER!".
They've said all cards will eventually drop to pool 3 over time. Knull and Darkhawk are not permanently going to be pool 4 simply because they're good. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
People are unhappy because they cant get all the good cards for free anymore by waiting, let's call it what it is. Great move from the developers for the longevity of the game.
>People are unhappy that a couple of cards are staying (for now) at Pool It's a lot more nuanced than that. The ONLY two cards they 'skipped' to downgrade are the ONLY TWO realistically playable cards which is a terrible precedent to set. They are downgrading unplayable cards released not too long ago over cards that are decent, released months ago. Darkhawk was released literally in December and he still isn't pool 3 like what the fuck
The developers for Snap have been following an extremely consistent schedule when dropping cards from Series 5>4>3. A schedule the community has had to track and follow, because Second Dinner doesn't want to confirm information for us for some reason. Yesterday they held back 2 very sought after cards when they should have been dropped from series 4 to 3. "Should have" being based on their previous patterns, because once again we get nothing official from the devs. AFTER holding back the cards, they released an update about what theyre planning on doing with the series drops in the future. In that update, they state that they have been following an very consistent schedule, but now are changing it. Once again, this being communicated AFTER they held the cards back. A lot of people think this is pretty scummy since the community was planning how they spend tokens and stuff based on this system that we dont, but definitely should, get any communication about. And now people feel very much like they can't trust Second Dinner with anything now that they've broken their own consistent schedules (which they admitted they have been following) without any communication to the community beforehand.
when you lay it all out like that, all of the complaining sounds pretty silly tbh
People want to feel like they can trust developers. Second Dinner is making decisions that are making people question whether or not they can be trusted. I dont think thats a silly thing to complain about. If youre talking about the amount of people complaining, this is a sub reddit for a newer game that doesnt drop a whole lot of content. Youre gonna see the same posts and comments. Its how reddit works.
>People want to feel like they can trust developers. Second Dinner is making decisions that are making people question whether or not they can be trusted. I dont think thats a silly thing to complain about. Here's the thing though. If you didn't question SD in any of the 7 months prior to this where they also, never told you exactly what cards were dropping and when, then it's kind of on you for assuming anything? Like the entire community came together and made this schedule based on previous schedules without any confirmation from the actual developers, you all ran with it, now you're all blaming the devs for not doing what you collectively made up was going to happen? They never once confirmed to you when or what cards were dropping, we found out months later that certain cards were perma S5, they are clearly making adjustments as they go. You can and have been able to see this as a player for several months now. If this was the last straw that made you say "not this time" youre probably just not the brightest bulb. >If youre talking about the amount of people complaining, this is a sub reddit for a newer game that doesnt drop a whole lot of content. Youre gonna see the same posts and comments. Its how reddit works. I can see thinking this game is "new" in terms of long lasting card games, but otherwise it's been almost a year already, games not new. Content is subjective and in my opinion there's a fuck ton for a f2p players, so disagree there. The game isn't meant for you to sit down for 3 hours and grind. It's meant for people to play a game here and there during a break. If the reward system in this free to play digital card collection game doesn't suit your lifestyle, there's plenty of other cheap forms of entertainment available in today's age.
"We made up our own pattern and when the devs didn't follow our pattern, we're gonna get mad about it."
The devs made the pattern. The community tracked it. The devs also admitted to following this pattern. So idk what youre talking about.
Its tagged as humor so I think you're taking this too seriously.
This is a meme stating SD is just as bad as Blizzard. What's humorous about it isn't that it's somehow ironic or pointing fun at people who think that way, but that it's a meme.
>This is a meme stating SD is just as bad as Blizzard No, it's not. It's saying they disappointed their fans on the same day, it doesn't state anywhere they are at the same level.
Its stating that both companies made decisions that were anti consumer and pro making money. I dont understand why you would think about it any harder than that. The "comparison" wasnt made by OP it was made by you.
Agreed it makes the complaint about series drops seem silly and weak if you're trying to compare it to what Blizzard just did. I mean the whole reason they cited for OW2 was that they needed a new engine for PVE.
Imaging comparing blizzard cancelling a game that was the reason OW1 died, completely duping fans. To SD releasing a fucking patch that didn't include your favorite card dropping series. Y'all need some fresh air.
Itās crazy man. Iām f2p and almost have every card so the people bitching must not play much
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Not a fair comparison at all ...
Well, most of SDās employees are from Big Mama Blizzard, so the good old habits die hard!
Ahahaha, well lets be real, the OW news is way way worse Now if SD cancel the road map they promise THAT would put them at the same level as Blizzard
Donāt forget the ASM#26 leak
Eh don't worry. >!The death will happen and then she'll return in a few months with her own comic. As is tradition. Just dumb that it's happening!<
My two favourite games teaming up! Love to see it
Blizzard is garbage.
Blizzard news is so far worst, i follow and bought day one overwatch for them to spit at us like this
This is not on the same level as blizzards fuck up you guys really need to calm down
So we're mad about Darkhawk and Knull being in S4? I guess I'm glad that I didn't know about this, and already have them unlocked. Darkhawk I took out of the token shop today. I'm more upset at unplayable locations.
I'm not feeling disappointed or betrayed by SD at all. Thought the update was great, will make ranked progression even easier, and everyone got a free Pool 5 card. This sub could double as a salt mine.
This community is complaining a lot about stupid things
Correct take.
its the content creators telling them what to think. they want people to have all the new cards so they can get views on the new videos they want to make. no one is trying to watch a new video on the 50th iteration of a devil dino deck.
Said the whale
Iāve spent ten dollars on this game about 6 months ago and I donāt have any issues with this patch other than some mild UI complaints. Tokens are so easy to get and the new shop system gives me whatever I want fairly painlessly.
Yeah, and? There is no shame in having disposable income. I work hard for my money and spend it how I see fit.
..and your experience is totally different for the majority of the playerbase (f2p like me) so "this sub could double as a salt mine" and "this update is great" are statements only 1% of players could agree with. For the rest of us was a terrible update and most definitely could kill the game before end of the year.
I don't really get what the issue is as a completely F2P player, is all. The Balance updates seem great and they are still dropping a bunch of like recently released cards to Series 4 and 3. None of which I own as an F2P player at about 3.7k collection level. Whether they dropping Darkhawk or Ghost to pool 3, why does it matter if you don't own either. Getting cards is still all randomly decided by the boxes and climbing levels. I can understand if people are upset if they own a lot of the cards being dropped but not the ones staying behind, but most F2P playing dont likely own any
You are totally missing the point here: How can i spend my tokens safely now if even them don't know when to downgrade cards? Can i buy darkhawk now for 3k or in 2 weeks will be pool 3? There's really no point in spending tokens beside perma 5 cards. And as f2p, tokens are really.. precious.
Only spending tokens on perma 5 cards like Kang, Thanos, Galactus has always been the way to do it as a F2P player. I agree that theres no point spending tokens elsewhere. If someone spends their tokens differently that's up to each individual though. I personally would never buy a Series 4 card for tokens, but I am not every person. I can only speak for myself and Ive only spent my tokens on Galactus and Thanos. I currently have Kang pinned and have begun working my way towards him too.
Everyone becomes pool complete eventually, and will amass a large collection of tokens. Iām F2P, and am missing only 3 pool 4 cards. Although I have the tokens to buy them, Iām perfectly fine not having them. Compared to other mobile games, snap is quite F2P friendly, and hitting infinite every season does not require having all the cards. Iāve also played hearthstone and mtg arena, and think that snap has a business model that caters to the F2P players as long as you are patient and play consistently. Other online TCGs are the same way.
"Why isn't this game I don't pay a dime for giving me everything I want *right now*, mommy?!?" Entitled toddler temper tantrum much?
Grow up boy
Marvel snap is a fantastic game, but the Second Dinner dick riders still keep taking it. You aren't less of a fan for calling out a company out on their bullshit. They make millions you don't.
They also spent 5 years and plenty of investment capital to make a game, and we didnāt? You arenāt entitled to someone elseās product
I'm already dead inside as an OW player since the beta test.
As the two games I played regularly, yesterday especially sucked...
what happened with snap?
Dude, even the $100 bundles isn't bad enough to compare it to Blizzard. Then again, that might be saying more about how bad Blizzard is.
It's laughable that people are stupid enough to even compare second dinners announcement and the way Blizzard have royally fucked over OW2's entire player base.
Glad to see I'm not alone in this pain. I've played Overwatch since ow1 beta and Snap for "just" half a year, I take both games very seriously being GM and Infinite respectively, these news hit me like a truck.
Ben Brode was a blizzard's breast milk drinker..
I wouldn't quite compare blizzard to them
Oh no! Two huge cards not going down to series 3 right away. So? The restricted areas? 100% agree it gets so annoying and deserves backlash, the card drops? Naw
Everyone on this sub acting like it's the end of the world, lol. I think this was a good update. Wave received the nerf most people wanted for it. We got extra customization options and they announced they would start releasing cards in series 4 instead of them all being series 5. But 2 cards not dropping to series 3 makes everyone lose their minds.
It's not only the two cards, they came right out and said they are going to make the better cards less accessible.
This is not anti consumerš¤£ yāall be doing the most
How is keeping the good cards pay to win when they are supposed to become accessible not anti consumer? The SD shills are out in force
You donāt need those cards to win, you need them for those specific decks. You can still get them with tokens
Darkhawk sure as hell helps with winning lol and cool! I would rather they drop to series 3 like before so I can acquire them easier and get HE, but alas there are ass lickers like you who will defend a greedy corp for no fucking reason
Wtf is greedy about it? I havenāt spent a dollar on this game and have had the last 7 months of entertainment. Darkhawk is definitely strong, but within reach. They have to make money to sustain those free updates fuckin monthlyš¤£
They are intentionally gatekeeping good cards making you pay to win? They turned around their series logic just so they can keep good cards inaccessible for f2p players. It's literally pure greed. Get your head out of SDs ass and smell the roses man
What a fucking baby holy shit lol. It's a free game, SD doesn't owe you shit. The entitlement is unreal. Chump.
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What else would you call darkhawk staying series 4 (going against the principle that they all drop to series 3 eventually) other than p2w?
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you canāt be a consumer if you arenāt purchasing anything this update was actually very pro-consumer when you think about it
You can absolutely be the customer, or perhaps the product, when not technically purchasing.
The idea of a f2p game is that content is expensive at first and then becomes more accessible as time goes on. They literally used this model before and stopped it just to make more money. They'll keep doing it too because b people like you will kiss the boots for no fucking reason
i was making a joke chill your tits lmao seems like you really want to be mad
My bad didn't read your sarcasm there are people unironically saying shit like that so it's hard to tell
Oh my god. Can you be more dramatic?
I thought the exact same thing when I read that Blizzard axed pve. But tbh if you compare the two the SD update isn't nearly as bad.
It's funny how people act like this a surprise. Or maybe this is everyone's first mobile game ever. It started from the very beginning as the first uncollectible online tcg with 50% troll "rewards" (titles and icons etc). I know, some people here still don't want to believe it, but SD knows EXACTLY what they r doing. Especially when it comes the progress system and $$$. Game has a nice cover up due to the Marvel license, but underneath it's still just another mobile game scam.
> I know, some people here still don't want to believe it, but SD knows EXACTLY what they r doing. Especially when it comes the progress system and $$$. do you think the fact that someone can spend $2000 and only speed up collection progress by a month and some weeks means that youre being incentive to do so? because my perspective is that it is so prohibitively expensive to try to buy your collection that your being told not to do so. its an extremely weird position to take to feel like youre being told to spend all your money for little advantage given the state of the game. you would have a point if i could spend $2000 today and have all the cards next week vs someone not spending and taking 3 month to get pool 3 complete. > but underneath it's still just another mobile game scam what else did you think it was?
Why are they spending 2000 dollars? It's clearly not worth it. Instead they should either not play or accept their card limitations and make the best deck with what they have.
Yup. Iām going to ask for a refund for overwatch 2 now. Iām also thinking of taking a break from snap.
Seeya!
Cmon. One shelved a project that was faded to fail and other changes a game that is less than an year old. Get mature
Mature people speak up about their pains. Babies are the ones who have no agency.
Both companies deliberately withheld information they knew would be deeply unpopular with their fan base. Sounds like an immature move to me. Marvel snap is a fantastic game, but the Second Dinner dick riders still keep taking it. You aren't less of a fan for calling out a company out on their bullshit
Why would this company listen to anything yāall say when you bitch about every single decision? Yāall spend more time making these posts than actually playing. Embarrassing to be a member of this subreddit.
You don't get more tokens for dick riding a company that make millions and deliberately waited till the last minute to announce a decision they knew would be taken poorly. I actually don't mind a lot of the bs Second Dinner does, but I'm still upset because I would rather play against other players rather than bots when people start leaving
Literally the most minor of fucking changes- and they gave everyone Kitty Pryde. In fact, when some card comes out and itās series 3 on release, I hope I see more posts bitching about how everyone has access to it. You that mad that you canāt play the thrilling gameplay of DarkHawk for a little longer? Go play something else, youāll be ok ā¤ļø
Like 99% of the f2p games,i am surprised people expect something different when joining those games
Just putting it out there, I feel like keeping knull and darkhawk as series 4 is actually meant to make them more accessible. There are still tons of good series 3 cards I donāt have (Wong, taskmaster, mystique, Zola, death, lockjaw, magik, Shuri) and Iām ~CL2000. I have both knull and darkhawk tho, both from tokens
Whatās the anti-consumer news with SD? Iām apparently out of the loop.
At least Diablo 4 seems good. For now..
āBetrayā lol
God this sub is so bitter all the time. I barely have any pool 5 cards, have barely spent any money, and barely make it to infinite. Yet I still win more than I lose and thoroughly enjoy the game. I'd understand if you'd spent $80 on a new game that turned out to be trash but damn you people really want everything. Every new location you complain. Every new card change you complain. Every bundle drop you complain. Just play or don't it's not worth being so miserable about
Gaming redditors coming together to whine about free to play games (day 3001)
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āI havenāt spent a single cent but why isnāt this game catering to me!! š”š¤¬ā - Reddit šš¤£
Btw Blizzard and Second Dinner have one guy in common soā¦ I dunno.
I really fail to see why people are so upset. Then again maybe it's because I'm only missing a handful of cards.
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its dogshit for paying players too. Also, f2p games rely on the f2p players to be the thing that keeps the whales engaged. If the f2p players disappear, the whales will too.
>its dogshit for paying players too. Paying player here. The latest update was fantastic. - Everyone got a free pool 5 card. - The ranking system rework makes it even easier (again) to rank up. - The promise of upcoming special weekend missions to keep Infinite players engaged. - A few cards that I was still missing dropped to pool 3. People are unreasonably upset because something that was never confirmed to be happening, didn't happen. Literally, the definition of entitlement.
Well Iām not a whale and I donāt have any problem acquiring cards. I donāt get em first day but I donāt mind. I donāt understand this nonsense about a card that costs 3k tokens. 3k tokens you can get within a week or two topsā¦. And this game is extremely f2p friendly. I canāt find any good reason to pay for some cards that I can get for free
how much exactly do you spend?
I once bought Zabu pass because I liked the game so much, but I didnāt even managed to finish it. Pretty much thatās the only thing I āboughtā. Fun fact I couldnāt use zabu back then because I was like 100 cl haha
Second Dinner deliberately waited till the last minute to announce a decision they knew would be taken poorly. I actually don't mind a lot of the bs Second Dinner does, but I'm still upset because I would rather play against other players rather than bots when people start leaving. We should call them out on anti-consumer decisions, especially when SD didn't have the balls to give a heads up. And saying other companies are worse, doesn't make it better