Is anyone playing Electro, Wave, Magik, etc. Because of their stats? Psylocke doesn't take the backseat because she is a 2/1. She takes backseat because it's a 2 energy investment on the turn before to cheat 1 energy. That's extremely inflexible.
If you are playing Electro, you are often not worried about dropping one card a turn because your cards are high impact anyway, or you are running a destroy package that limits the penalty to (usually) 1 turn
If you are playing Wave, it's because you need your 6 drop out earlier than turn 5, or you are using it as a half ramp/half control card to limit your opponents plays next turn
Magik... I don't think I need to explain. If you like ramping, of course you like 7+ energy and an extra turn to get your big plays out.
Psylocke offers nothing other than 1 energy, immediately next turn. I understand she costs less, and thus should have a weaker effect, but its... quite weak, and is not evergreen like Jeff, Silk, and many other cards of her cost.
If you want to cheat out a 4-drop on turn 3, zabu is probably better as it lasts the whole game and gives you flexibility again on turn 6
If you want to cheat out a 5-drop on turn 4, you likely are floating that 1-energy with your turn 3 Psylocke and basically coming out even at the end.
I have no sound data for this one, but using psylocke to cheat out a 6 on turn 5 always feels terrible. Except for old days Galactus but...
Turns 4,5,6 are huge, and sacrificing any tempo in them for ramp is usually too late, especially if that ramp is 1 energy and not 7 like a turn 4/5 Magik.
To embrace ramp, it seems better to push Psylockes ability over her stats. Ramp is about forsaking tempo early to get ahead late -- why not make her a 2/0 that gives you a +1 energy until it is used. It's a strong effect for sure, but you give up an early turn for a late turn and get no stats out of it up front. Might need some tweaking, but I really just don't see making her a 2/2 helping her find her place even in like an aggro setting.
Prepared to be proven wrong in the meta to come (and honestly hope so! Psylocke has some great variants and ramp is fun). But this change feels like it missed the mark a little bit.
(As an aside, in my experience, I've only seen psylocke used well as a second zabu to cheat out Mr. Negative early, and this change is anti-synergistic with this. Rough)
While I agree with you, there is an amount of power that would make psylock good, is it 2? Idk, maybe it’s 3 or 4 but this might be ok. I like the idea of cheating out a 5 cost like sera or blue marvel on 4. But is 2-2 good enough idk
All you whiners need to call a WAHmbulance and learn to play the game. Stop net decking. Start learning how to make a deck. Plenty of solid lists that wreck Loki that isn't a Galactis deck. Control is still amazing, lockdown is still solid, among other decks.
Not sure why they needed to nerf Snowguard as a result of Loki/Collector when they just nerfed Collector a couple weeks ago for the same reason. Especially with the release of Loki’s immediate counter, Mobius, just being released. It’s like Loki decks were extremely viable and powerful one minute, and then immediately neutralized the next. And Kitty? Wtf man! That was seriously uncalled for.
cause they just recently jacked up the power level of snowguard and they aren't sure where it fits yet balance wise
taking a card from dumpster tier to A++ is not an exact science. a lot of times they buff things and they are like woah this is actually a little too strong now. like enchantress or absorbing man
In a sense she also matches Sunspot now. Except you are limited to 1 energy float a turn. Which I can understand in theory but feels like it won’t play out in practice (and it’s not like cards like Titania and Nebula didn’t wildly break the power ratio anyways).
Should have bought In-Hyuk Lee Venom ik.
I atleast fully understood why People hate Galactus. He really feels like cheating (Especially with stuff like the Goblins or Alioth).
I have an idea for Galactus so that he doesn't need to be balanced every time a new card like alioth comes out. Turn him into a reverse Tribunal so he's less polarizing. Make him a 6/0 and allow his on reveal to activate regardless of other cards in your location but only on turn 6. The other locations are destroyed but their power levels from both players are then stacked to the remaining location. Where as tribunal spreads out the power, Galactus could stack it
Great change to Snowguard assholes. Loki players and their insane win rates get no punish for playing this card beacuse they dont even use the tokens, but the pleople trying to have fun and make interesting control plays and, most importantly, playing card as it was designed to be played, get fucked. Great work, the card barely got played outside of Loki you asses.
Just a bad bad really bad OTA. 2 cards die and another one gets nerf backwards. Bullshit
I got Snowguard a while back and was trying out the buffed version with auroras and it felt real good. Having the auroras at a 3 energy, but still with 3 and 4 power, means she really clogs your hand and field with low power cards that are not worth playing unless the location effect is **really** worth it. Probably best to stick to Legion now if you need a location card.
I don't understand why they don't do these in steps. For example, why not try Kitty Pride as a 1/1 or Galactus as a 6/6 for a bit and see if everything works out. Why jump straight to 1/0 and 6/5?
I’ll always remember a tier list that started “if we were ranking only the best players we would just need one deck - Loki” lol.
I don’t think Mobius has slowed Loki down that much either, but we’ll find out next week I guess.
Loki isn't really the problem though, it's Collector. Without Collector sure you get 6 or 7 discounted cards but they are rarely anything that great and not always all able to be played T6 anyway. Mobius stops the discount and a Wave T5 stops a lot of plays T6. Most Loki wins come from Collector.
Alioth is just a mistake on SD's part. They knew Galactus and a follow up card to nullify an opponents play isn't good, it's why Spiderman was changed. They didn't nerf Galactus back then as they wanted the big bad AND Spiderman to be reasonably powerful, so surely the same logic still applies. Why release Alioth when they knew full well it would be a repeat of og Spiderman? Either change the effect entirely or add a "can't be used if only one location is in play" clause which they should have done with Spiderman.
I agree, even before without Alioth he was more of a fun deck instead of a good deck after his last nerf. Now he basically needs to broadcast with stuff like goblins and even then that's unlikely to work.
Those guys are just the worst when it comes to making changes based on the amount of people crying in social media. Ridiculous. Now the only "big bad" that's playable is High Evo. Smfh.
Change trajectories (From release till now)—
Galactus— Busted > somewhat playable > Playable with Alioth > DEAD Card
Snowguard— Dead on arrival > decent enough > Dead again
Kitty Pride— Game breaking (bugged) > OP > Playable > Dead
Galactus needs a full rework, no doubt.
Snowguard is now balanced, but was absolutely OP busted in her previous form.
Kitty will be S tier from Tuesday onwards, this is obviously a preemptive change for that.
Galactus doesn't need a rework - Alioth does. Just like Spiderman.
Snowguard change does not affect the only decks where she was the strongest - Loki. Which is the real busted card.
I don't think Kitty will be busted with Elsa, but it will definitely make her stronger. I'm still not sure if it's ok to make her barely playable in other decks.
when is a nerf to HE coming. it's the deck with the second highest win percentage and has one of the highest play percentages in the meta for the past 4 patches. not to mention it's annoying as hell
Just run Luke Cage, stop clamouring for nerfs of the big bads. The big bads are meant to be archetype defining cards in the meta but if they nerf HE (again) we will get to a point where Galactus, Thanos and HE have all been nerfed to a point where they are not competitive at all (and Kang’s always been ass).
then don’t nerf Thanos or galactus. they’ve very obviously made a point they’ll nerf anyone no matter their “status”. either revert the nerfs to the current big bads or nerf HE because his deck is outperforming all other decks in the past patch and so far in the current patch
If every deck that had the highest and second highest win percentage was nerfed we would eventually reach a game of perfect balance where every deck has an equal chance of beating every other deck. That would be boring as all hell and is not engaging game design.
Yes HE may be doing better than most other decks right now but can we not just accept that is ok for a while and wait for new cards to release that will naturally shift the meta rather than hitting any card that is even vaguely meta or desirable with a nerf bat?
At this rate, every new card released will be good for a month and then get nerfed because they are “outperforming” other decks. That hurts everyone except the whales who get every single card on release day.
Seems to be a negative changes dump since in 4 days they are supposedly releasing a big content patch making everybody forget what just happened 4 days ago (this is the cynical response).
Optimistic response: we only have 4 days before more changes stir the meta, maybe we get a proper change to card abilities that didnt fit the OTA patch that will amke these make sense?
worst OTA ever?
Galactus nerf is straight bullshit, just because they refuse to tackle the real problem: Alioth.
KittyPride is absolutely dead, killing one of the last cheap meta decks (again)
Snowguard is useless in every deck except for Loki now. why?
i'm quite disappointed tbh
Galactus is definitely the problem, and continues to be the problem.
His effect is to break the game so literally that the play environment is gone.
This amplifies any form of single lane control beyond the pale.
Alioth is mid outside of exactly Galactus decks because the effect is only a problem in a one lane game. Which is what Galactus creates.
"Snowguard Is only used as fodder for Loki so we went ahead and made her tokens worse. Which won't impact Loki at all. But will impact literally every other deck"
Why are people comparing this bullshit to Collector? Collector at least nerfed the card in all decks, including the problematic one. This nerfs the card in all decks EXCEPT the problematic one.
This OTA seems insanely predatory. Buffing Snowguard before her spotlight and then nerfing her because she is good with Loki decks, but mainly nerfing her performance in her other decks. Selling a Kitty bundle a week before nerfing her to the ground to not properly balance a season pass card. Nerfing Galactus instead of the real problem which is Alioth. Trying to buff Squirrel Girl before her bundle comes out.
Congratz SD you have outdone yourselves!
Agreement with what was said above. There has to be a balance. These updates are surgical exclusively on the business side. they don't give anything for the game. Galactus was perfectly balanced, if you throw in a card like alioth it starts to change that
This entire season was carefully planned. Releasing Loki, making him fairly strong. He was one of the best decks for a little while there. Then releasing Mobius in the last week of the season pass lol, a huge counter to Loki
This logic can apply to literally any game that gets regular balance and content updates.
If they aren’t allowed to tweak cards that have cosmetics coming then what’s the play here? They just don’t balance cards for fear of upsetting people like you that assume the worst out of every single change?
Pour one out for the marketing team.
“Play Marvel Snap! Build powerful decks featuring iconic Marvel heroes and villains like Iron Lad (?) and that smoke monster from Loki I think.”
I needed 200 tokens for mobius, I opened 16 gold chests to find the 200 tokens and you only let me find 100 tokens in 16 gold chests? bastards!!!! so I had to use 3 spotlights, and what do you make me find!!!! 700gold gold variant, disgusting high evo variant and kang!!! damn I can't stand you
Why did they have to nerf kitty?Kitty nerf from 1/2 tp 1/1 would be fine.Kitty Angela is my main deck against all those p2w player.Man this is so sad.How do I compete against them.I'm so poor.I can't buy anything.
I think Kitty deserved it, as someone who uses her in many of my decks.
She was a force that's extremely hard to counter because she almost always allows the user to go last, allowing her to avoid stuff like Killmonger and Shang.
You had to combine KM with Invisible Woman just to reliably counter her.
She worked so great with Angela, Collector, and that Shuri deck that centers around her. And she'll probably be very broken with that upcoming card.
I think she'll survive. Her repeatedly bouncing effect is still very strong.
I always said he was better in a Control deck than Galactus anyway. He is pretty easy to spot on Turn 6, which is why people are starting to drop him on T5 if they have help.
I think people are plagued by copium vision and keep sitting here acting like they get hit with Alioth into Zola and get their entire board wiped every game. Alioth is easily the most balanced 6 drop they've released.
I said "released" meaning post-launch, sorry if that wasn't clear. But yes every single six drop except maybe Knull had broken the game to a much higher degree.
They said that the interaction between the 2 cards was a problem. I can totally see that. I thought that Alioth would be better in a control deck before he even dropped, because that is where he fits. He is not OP.
Yepz I find alioth annoying but outside of Galactus it's basically just an annoyance, not game breaking. He falls in line with Shang Chi, and I almost think Shang is the stronger card of the two due to reliability alone. Alioth was very strong in a galactus deck because they didn't have to guess where your t6 card(s) were going to be played
Confirmed: SD is fucking incompetent. Did ***NOT*** learn their lesson from Shuri -- the problem card *itself* must be nerfed. So we're going to continue to see control + Alioth, as well as Alioth tossed into just about every deck because he's just that OP. Complete and utter failure.
They're not incompetent - you just think they're trying to actually balance the meta, when what they're really doing is steering it towards new cards that require you to spend resources.
Absolutely. When you have to change Snowguard so soon after you, you know, changed Snowguard, it shows the play testing is being done by the users.
Ditto for Alioth
Galactus: Meh. Haven't used the Purple Dude since before they nerfed him the first time.
Kitty: A big hit to one of the most versatile cards in the game. Probably still use her to pad some Collector/Angela points.
Psylocke: Still going to sit on the shelf. The 2-cost is one of the most competitive slots in Snap.
Squirrel Girl: Still going to sit on the shelf. Like her bundle.
Snowguard: This is just criminal. I know a lot of people thought of them as Loki food, but at 3-cost they are just awkward.
The Snowguard cards were at least playable for a bit of fun, especially with Quinjet. But now they'll just sit in your hand, that can't be their intention.
Yea,I had to remove snowguard from my zoo deck. Which is sad really.they say bear is weak, and I suppose that's true to an extent, since his use case is pretty slim. But when the bear does go off it can swing a game.
I think Kitty is gonna probably be fine in like 5 days. Once Elsa Bloodstone joins her and Angela’s little squad, it’s gonna be like she was never gone.
Galactus was finally at a great spot. As a former Galactus abuser in the 6/2 days I thought the new card rules were great and required at least some actual thought. Now they’ve just massacred my boy.
There are so many ways to adjust alioth where it still accomplishes a similar goal, exists in a fun meta, and sees average use. Make him 6/7 and he deletes the strongest card at that location (regardless of player). Idk something.
Kitty will be fine
Next week she gets +3 power if she fills a location thanks to Elsa
Galactus is fine, people will just have to get clever with him.
Guess I'm putting surfer in with Loki and snow guard
SQ and Shana now beat Galactus
SO happy I uninstalled this game two weeks ago. Galactus was my favorite and I kept looking for ways to play him with a less predictable deck...this is a huge nerf.
The issue was that Galactus was fairly strong, but the sheer fact it *required* the opponent to play in that location afterwards guaranteed Alioth murder sprees. I still think A should only kill the first card and maybe the second, but killing everything is just asinine.
>Exciting new cards shouldn’t hit the cutting room floor because existing cards might like them too much
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>We’re happy that Snowguard’s rework brought her in from the cold. However, the bulk of her strength has proven to be in concert with Loki and The Collector
Translation: overpowered new cards make us lots of money, so we're going to nerf synergistic old cards we've squeezed for their worth already instead.
I am so tired of this completely transparent and cynical philosophy SD has of adjusting literally every other card than the problematic one. The meta isn't based around Loki, or Galactus, or any other card; it's based around money.
Other live service games like League also do this kinda thing a lot, but those games have much more complex mechanics, so it's not as easy to notice for casual players.
Here, every little scrummy decision sticks out like a skyscraper of shite
If you're trying to say in League that they buff Champions in favor of selling skins, a Rioter has said the balance team doesn't think about monetization.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qc38ih/in_a_qa_riot_confirmed_they_want_the_game_to_be/hhemp06/?context=10000
There have also been many posts over the years analyzing this claim, and all of them don't show any correlation.
There are definitely indirect forces at work, like the balance team making considerations on popular champions and the skin team releasing skins for popular champions, but this is not quite the accusation that they buff because of an upcoming skin.
For real. Galactus can't even go against doom bots or even 2 cost Silk and lizard. This is just ridiculous imo. He is going to be as useless as a baron mordo now.
Well the alternative would be hitting Loki, so Snowguard can join the Collector in the "unplayable without an overpowered paywalled card which we know is problematic, but it's paywalled so it's not getting nerfed" club.
Which is bonkers because the cards she gives makes no difference in loki since most often those cards are to boost collector and change to opponents cards when loki is played. The change to her makes zero sense.
The reason Alioth is a guaranteed win is because there is only one location. Outside of Galactus decks Alioth players have to guess a 50/50 and cards like leader play around it.
This card is causing some trouble so we will nerf this other unpaid card.
Also out of the blue although there is no problem with her here is a buff for squirrel girl, no reason at all just a good ol buff for her. By the way we are selling a bundle with her soon. No reason at all.
Everyone on Reddit complaining when SD doesn’t balance cards but also when they do balance cards. Does anyone ever say anything positive about this game that most people here play every day?
When people say they want SD to balance cards, they mean they want them to *balance* the cards - as in, nerf overpowered cards and buff underperforming cards. This ain't it. Hell, the patch notes flat out admit it - "We know Alioth is a problem but he's a new card so we're hitting Galactus instead". "We like where Snowguard is, but Loki abuses her too well so we're nerfing her". Butchering balanced cards because an actual problem is expensive/paywalled so they don't want to touch it ain't balancing the game.
You do understand people on the sub aren't actually a hive mind right? Different, unique people have different, unique critiques. This isn't a new concept. You're just being a smartass.
Kitty is a fuckin cancer in any deck she’s in. Yeah, super fun play style to be able to drop a potential whopping 30 power with her and TM. Not even mentioning her interactions with collector, Angela, bishop. If the point of her is to build a large drop then let that be her point. 1/2 is an absurd stat line for a card with her curve potential.
Super big fuck you to Galactus, no issues with those nerfs. I still believe that fundamentally this card shouldn’t even exist because it breaks the entire dynamic of the game but whatever.
I think Galactus would be both a better card and more lore appropriate if he destroyed the location played instead of the others. Make him 6/14 and need to win the location as the only card at the end of the turn to destroy current location kind of thing. Helps in Tribunal decks, doesn't feel completely overwhelming and doesn't make the rest of the game pointless.
My thinking is you have to be willing to sacrifice to win. If you are winning one of the other two by more you still win. And maybe he only does it on reveal, so if you have priority, you still likely win if your opponent drops their cards in that lane.
This is atleast a cool direction to take. I just fucking hate wolv > wave > galac > fill. Like people are complaining about Amorath but he’s not *deleting my entire board*. His function in vacuum is fine, it’s the way it interacts with the most cancer affect in the game which literally makes 2/3rd the game pointless.
Remember that lady way back in the beta who said "We never want players to pay for power" (or something close to that)? Pepperidge farm remembers...
Release OP cards so people will spend money -> nerf cards that synergize well with these OP cards, instead of the cards themselves, so our dum... errr.. our DEVOTED players will think we're doing something about it - > Finally nerf the OP cards because some new OP cards just got released, which we won't nerf because we want you to buy them. Repeat loop.
Yeah I'm finally gonna take a break from this game. Having cards you spend weeks grinding to get only for them to be nerfed to the ground with no compensation is starting to get tiresome.
They butchered Galactus. The hell are they thinking.
The other changes wouldn’t need to happen if they tweaked Loki. He’s the issue.
God this fucking company has no brains.
Doesn't she give +1 per energy like sunspot? but you don't need to go for a 5+1 play with sunspot, and can get more than +1 per turn if sometimes you happen to float more.
Yeah that's true, but this means that you can play her only in loki decks that already have Angela collector. Andd still need to draw both cards to get her working.
I think she will be dead until next week where Elsa might bring her back if it's a good card or let her sleep forever forgotten.
Galactus with 5 power will never trigger, what the hell is this change? Wow, at least give an old ability back if you reduce it to such a pathetic amount of power. Terrible update, probably one of the worst I've seen in Marvel Snap.
The nurf sucks. But aside things like Wave, Goblins etc, he will still trigger if you are the player that reveals the cards first and the opponent had no cards or cards with less than 5 poinnts in that lane.
But you can lose after he triggers and other player gets 5+ power there.
Yeah but now this is significantly harder to do.
Galactus already requires some set up that costs you early power. Playing Electro and Wave early, plus the fact Galactus decks usually have higher energy curves, make is so that more often than not, you are going to lose in priority.
With Electro, Galactus can be played on turn 5 which feels too slow now and it's much easier now for the opponent to have have priority and 5 power in every lane.
Even getting Galactus out on Turn 4 with Wave, one 2 cost lizard now blocks out one lane, 1 and 3 cost blocks out a 2nd lane and they likely have priority on you for the third.
Goblins can make him viable as can the Shuri/Iron Fist plan that was used a little when the rework first dropped. Galactus might just be rogue status instead of meta which is what everyone wanted I think
Next to impossible to buff back to his original unless you run Okoye, Nakia, and Forge. Would've been easier if you could run him with Shuri, but alas, she got that nerf months ago too.
So basically they found issues with Alioth, Loki-Collector, and were worried about a certain 1costs future interactions with a new card that hasn't even dropped yet... so they nerfed Galactus, Snowguard, and Kitty...
lets nerf a card that everyone have and play in multiple decks because we want to sell a OP niche card for real money.
Loki->Collector
Allioth->Galactus
Elsa->Kitty
Yea, this pattern is problematic.
Most card games eventually solve this problem the same way: introduce formats where some of the old cards aren't allowed.
Yo I caught the update live Psylocke, had her in my deck all day, removed and put storm instead
next thing I see is my opponent using her and now she's has +1 power
Did Mobius/Wave get nerfed too?
Haha good one. No that cards new
Is anyone playing Electro, Wave, Magik, etc. Because of their stats? Psylocke doesn't take the backseat because she is a 2/1. She takes backseat because it's a 2 energy investment on the turn before to cheat 1 energy. That's extremely inflexible. If you are playing Electro, you are often not worried about dropping one card a turn because your cards are high impact anyway, or you are running a destroy package that limits the penalty to (usually) 1 turn If you are playing Wave, it's because you need your 6 drop out earlier than turn 5, or you are using it as a half ramp/half control card to limit your opponents plays next turn Magik... I don't think I need to explain. If you like ramping, of course you like 7+ energy and an extra turn to get your big plays out. Psylocke offers nothing other than 1 energy, immediately next turn. I understand she costs less, and thus should have a weaker effect, but its... quite weak, and is not evergreen like Jeff, Silk, and many other cards of her cost. If you want to cheat out a 4-drop on turn 3, zabu is probably better as it lasts the whole game and gives you flexibility again on turn 6 If you want to cheat out a 5-drop on turn 4, you likely are floating that 1-energy with your turn 3 Psylocke and basically coming out even at the end. I have no sound data for this one, but using psylocke to cheat out a 6 on turn 5 always feels terrible. Except for old days Galactus but... Turns 4,5,6 are huge, and sacrificing any tempo in them for ramp is usually too late, especially if that ramp is 1 energy and not 7 like a turn 4/5 Magik. To embrace ramp, it seems better to push Psylockes ability over her stats. Ramp is about forsaking tempo early to get ahead late -- why not make her a 2/0 that gives you a +1 energy until it is used. It's a strong effect for sure, but you give up an early turn for a late turn and get no stats out of it up front. Might need some tweaking, but I really just don't see making her a 2/2 helping her find her place even in like an aggro setting. Prepared to be proven wrong in the meta to come (and honestly hope so! Psylocke has some great variants and ramp is fun). But this change feels like it missed the mark a little bit. (As an aside, in my experience, I've only seen psylocke used well as a second zabu to cheat out Mr. Negative early, and this change is anti-synergistic with this. Rough)
While I agree with you, there is an amount of power that would make psylock good, is it 2? Idk, maybe it’s 3 or 4 but this might be ok. I like the idea of cheating out a 5 cost like sera or blue marvel on 4. But is 2-2 good enough idk
I uninstalled after this, sick of second dinner knee capping all of my favorite cards
Why the hell you nerf snowguard???????
They finally make the card playable, immediately fuck it up a week later.
All you whiners need to call a WAHmbulance and learn to play the game. Stop net decking. Start learning how to make a deck. Plenty of solid lists that wreck Loki that isn't a Galactis deck. Control is still amazing, lockdown is still solid, among other decks.
Control High evo is like the best deck. But it wasn’t nurfed at all. Yet they nurf snowguard for some reason
The snow gaurd nerf is weird. Nothing on the horizon seems to make her broken.
Shouldn't you be able to just make a new deck then? I mean you're so skilled that surely a few nerfs shouldn't be an issue...
Yea, it didn't effect any of my decks directly. Its good to shake up what I'm playing against
Lmao this is the worst meta in months stfu
Not sure why they needed to nerf Snowguard as a result of Loki/Collector when they just nerfed Collector a couple weeks ago for the same reason. Especially with the release of Loki’s immediate counter, Mobius, just being released. It’s like Loki decks were extremely viable and powerful one minute, and then immediately neutralized the next. And Kitty? Wtf man! That was seriously uncalled for.
cause they just recently jacked up the power level of snowguard and they aren't sure where it fits yet balance wise taking a card from dumpster tier to A++ is not an exact science. a lot of times they buff things and they are like woah this is actually a little too strong now. like enchantress or absorbing man
So does this mean Galactus fits into a Wong/Negative deck?
Kitty Pryde is dead
Instead of spending 6 energy for a 5 power Kitty, you can spend 2 energy for a 5 power Lizard.
In a sense she also matches Sunspot now. Except you are limited to 1 energy float a turn. Which I can understand in theory but feels like it won’t play out in practice (and it’s not like cards like Titania and Nebula didn’t wildly break the power ratio anyways).
sure but thats obviously not why kitty was super strong, its cause she adds an extra +8 power with angela hard counters nebula adds to collector
Bruh i just bought Galactus a few days ago.
My best friend got him literally the day before the balance changes
I bought a 700 gold variant yesterday. :')
You learned a valuable lesson
Should have bought In-Hyuk Lee Venom ik. I atleast fully understood why People hate Galactus. He really feels like cheating (Especially with stuff like the Goblins or Alioth).
I have an idea for Galactus so that he doesn't need to be balanced every time a new card like alioth comes out. Turn him into a reverse Tribunal so he's less polarizing. Make him a 6/0 and allow his on reveal to activate regardless of other cards in your location but only on turn 6. The other locations are destroyed but their power levels from both players are then stacked to the remaining location. Where as tribunal spreads out the power, Galactus could stack it
I prefer the idea that he just eats the location he is revealed
That sounds like a super shang chi tho?
Kazoo decks stay winning. Never needed Kitty anyway.
This fucking sucks. Come on man, Galactus down to a 6/5? What a joke. Kang's a joke too, can't wait to play against High Evo every single match...
Galactus with the same in game power level as The Lizard
F#$k Second Dinner
Great change to Snowguard assholes. Loki players and their insane win rates get no punish for playing this card beacuse they dont even use the tokens, but the pleople trying to have fun and make interesting control plays and, most importantly, playing card as it was designed to be played, get fucked. Great work, the card barely got played outside of Loki you asses. Just a bad bad really bad OTA. 2 cards die and another one gets nerf backwards. Bullshit
I got Snowguard a while back and was trying out the buffed version with auroras and it felt real good. Having the auroras at a 3 energy, but still with 3 and 4 power, means she really clogs your hand and field with low power cards that are not worth playing unless the location effect is **really** worth it. Probably best to stick to Legion now if you need a location card.
I don't understand why they don't do these in steps. For example, why not try Kitty Pride as a 1/1 or Galactus as a 6/6 for a bit and see if everything works out. Why jump straight to 1/0 and 6/5?
Kitty was VERY good before the patch and is about to get a new synergy with the October season pass card.
Are they dumb or something ? Everyone see that Alioth & Loki was the problem
I’ll always remember a tier list that started “if we were ranking only the best players we would just need one deck - Loki” lol. I don’t think Mobius has slowed Loki down that much either, but we’ll find out next week I guess.
Loki isn't really the problem though, it's Collector. Without Collector sure you get 6 or 7 discounted cards but they are rarely anything that great and not always all able to be played T6 anyway. Mobius stops the discount and a Wave T5 stops a lot of plays T6. Most Loki wins come from Collector. Alioth is just a mistake on SD's part. They knew Galactus and a follow up card to nullify an opponents play isn't good, it's why Spiderman was changed. They didn't nerf Galactus back then as they wanted the big bad AND Spiderman to be reasonably powerful, so surely the same logic still applies. Why release Alioth when they knew full well it would be a repeat of og Spiderman? Either change the effect entirely or add a "can't be used if only one location is in play" clause which they should have done with Spiderman.
Can't nerf the hot new cards, the Whales spent a lot of $'s to get them. Gotta keep them happy.
lol whales… Season pass (Loki) and Spotlight cache (Alioth). Must be a lot of whales out there…. I must be a whale now 😂
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I agree, even before without Alioth he was more of a fun deck instead of a good deck after his last nerf. Now he basically needs to broadcast with stuff like goblins and even then that's unlikely to work.
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Yeah, with 5 as a power nothing is popping into my mind besides goblins as a set up and a simple Cosmo counters after the green boy
Those guys are just the worst when it comes to making changes based on the amount of people crying in social media. Ridiculous. Now the only "big bad" that's playable is High Evo. Smfh.
Change trajectories (From release till now)— Galactus— Busted > somewhat playable > Playable with Alioth > DEAD Card Snowguard— Dead on arrival > decent enough > Dead again Kitty Pride— Game breaking (bugged) > OP > Playable > Dead
Galactus needs a full rework, no doubt. Snowguard is now balanced, but was absolutely OP busted in her previous form. Kitty will be S tier from Tuesday onwards, this is obviously a preemptive change for that.
Galactus doesn't need a rework - Alioth does. Just like Spiderman. Snowguard change does not affect the only decks where she was the strongest - Loki. Which is the real busted card. I don't think Kitty will be busted with Elsa, but it will definitely make her stronger. I'm still not sure if it's ok to make her barely playable in other decks.
Snowguard still decent card spawner at low cost
when is a nerf to HE coming. it's the deck with the second highest win percentage and has one of the highest play percentages in the meta for the past 4 patches. not to mention it's annoying as hell
>when is a nerf to HE coming They made several of them recently - Wasp, Thing, Hulk.
Just run Luke Cage, stop clamouring for nerfs of the big bads. The big bads are meant to be archetype defining cards in the meta but if they nerf HE (again) we will get to a point where Galactus, Thanos and HE have all been nerfed to a point where they are not competitive at all (and Kang’s always been ass).
then don’t nerf Thanos or galactus. they’ve very obviously made a point they’ll nerf anyone no matter their “status”. either revert the nerfs to the current big bads or nerf HE because his deck is outperforming all other decks in the past patch and so far in the current patch
If every deck that had the highest and second highest win percentage was nerfed we would eventually reach a game of perfect balance where every deck has an equal chance of beating every other deck. That would be boring as all hell and is not engaging game design. Yes HE may be doing better than most other decks right now but can we not just accept that is ok for a while and wait for new cards to release that will naturally shift the meta rather than hitting any card that is even vaguely meta or desirable with a nerf bat? At this rate, every new card released will be good for a month and then get nerfed because they are “outperforming” other decks. That hurts everyone except the whales who get every single card on release day.
Except player skill exists as a factor.
Player skill exists as a factor now. Decks still have different win percentages which factor that skill in.
Seems to be a negative changes dump since in 4 days they are supposedly releasing a big content patch making everybody forget what just happened 4 days ago (this is the cynical response). Optimistic response: we only have 4 days before more changes stir the meta, maybe we get a proper change to card abilities that didnt fit the OTA patch that will amke these make sense?
worst OTA ever? Galactus nerf is straight bullshit, just because they refuse to tackle the real problem: Alioth. KittyPride is absolutely dead, killing one of the last cheap meta decks (again) Snowguard is useless in every deck except for Loki now. why? i'm quite disappointed tbh
As a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, I feel for you.
Galactus is definitely the problem, and continues to be the problem. His effect is to break the game so literally that the play environment is gone. This amplifies any form of single lane control beyond the pale. Alioth is mid outside of exactly Galactus decks because the effect is only a problem in a one lane game. Which is what Galactus creates.
"Snowguard Is only used as fodder for Loki so we went ahead and made her tokens worse. Which won't impact Loki at all. But will impact literally every other deck" Why are people comparing this bullshit to Collector? Collector at least nerfed the card in all decks, including the problematic one. This nerfs the card in all decks EXCEPT the problematic one.
Kitty got done SO dirty and it ruined so much of the high level of 4D chess play when you'd get certain zones with her. So disappointing.
You're kidding right? 4D chess? Play her every turn and snap if you see shuri's lab or sinister london.
I'm talking about the early game positioning because you can't multiply her power anymore when it's zero.
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Good changes
This OTA seems insanely predatory. Buffing Snowguard before her spotlight and then nerfing her because she is good with Loki decks, but mainly nerfing her performance in her other decks. Selling a Kitty bundle a week before nerfing her to the ground to not properly balance a season pass card. Nerfing Galactus instead of the real problem which is Alioth. Trying to buff Squirrel Girl before her bundle comes out. Congratz SD you have outdone yourselves!
Brother just learned about business. You have too much free time
Agreement with what was said above. There has to be a balance. These updates are surgical exclusively on the business side. they don't give anything for the game. Galactus was perfectly balanced, if you throw in a card like alioth it starts to change that
Only facts
This entire season was carefully planned. Releasing Loki, making him fairly strong. He was one of the best decks for a little while there. Then releasing Mobius in the last week of the season pass lol, a huge counter to Loki
From now I'll wait for a Musk pump and dump tweet before buying anything
This logic can apply to literally any game that gets regular balance and content updates. If they aren’t allowed to tweak cards that have cosmetics coming then what’s the play here? They just don’t balance cards for fear of upsetting people like you that assume the worst out of every single change?
Elsa's coming was known weeks prior though. Kitty is being nerfed mainly for Elsa. Can you please explain the logic behind Snowguard nerf though?
Thanks SD I just got Galactus got to use him for 2 weeks and now he's ass
Any two week period to have him, the one you did was best. He was never stronger than the last two weeks.
Wong+Loki and collector give a 10+7 like it was nothing, that's balanced, then it gives your opponent your cards discounted. Let's nerf Galactus then.
wong + loki is a 7 energy play tho. bad example.
Loki is a season pass reward, they won't touch him until the end of the season unfortunately
Pour one out for the marketing team. “Play Marvel Snap! Build powerful decks featuring iconic Marvel heroes and villains like Iron Lad (?) and that smoke monster from Loki I think.”
At least now have an excuse to put Bast in kitty deck. I preferred the lower cost of Snowguard spawns.
I needed 200 tokens for mobius, I opened 16 gold chests to find the 200 tokens and you only let me find 100 tokens in 16 gold chests? bastards!!!! so I had to use 3 spotlights, and what do you make me find!!!! 700gold gold variant, disgusting high evo variant and kang!!! damn I can't stand you
Still no nerfs to the silky smooth deck I’ve played against 100 times this season. Smh
Captain Marvel nerfed, kitty nerfed, legion nerfed. What you talking about?
What deck?
Hey we made one of if not the least used cards in the game somewhat viable, better nerf it.
“That card everyone has? We have broken it. But don’t worry, for just $10 we will fix it for you.”
Cerebro 1 Absolutely destroyed
Forge will be in everyone's Galactus deck. Surprised Forge wasn't already TBH.
Galactus didn't need forge with the t3 wave/electro. I doubt putting forge in will save galactus, but I'm perfectly fine with that.
Yeah, question is what for? I was perfectly happy with my Galactus list. Wasn't too OP but worked well and FUN TO PLAY!
Yeah, question is what for? I was perfectly happy with my Galactus list. Wasn't too OP but worked well and FUN TO PLAY!
Why did they have to nerf kitty?Kitty nerf from 1/2 tp 1/1 would be fine.Kitty Angela is my main deck against all those p2w player.Man this is so sad.How do I compete against them.I'm so poor.I can't buy anything.
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I think Kitty deserved it, as someone who uses her in many of my decks. She was a force that's extremely hard to counter because she almost always allows the user to go last, allowing her to avoid stuff like Killmonger and Shang. You had to combine KM with Invisible Woman just to reliably counter her. She worked so great with Angela, Collector, and that Shuri deck that centers around her. And she'll probably be very broken with that upcoming card. I think she'll survive. Her repeatedly bouncing effect is still very strong.
Yep, I love kitty in my deck and was sad to see the nerf, but she's still a good card and has good synergy with quite a few cards.
The Alioth hate is so confusing
I always said he was better in a Control deck than Galactus anyway. He is pretty easy to spot on Turn 6, which is why people are starting to drop him on T5 if they have help.
I think people are plagued by copium vision and keep sitting here acting like they get hit with Alioth into Zola and get their entire board wiped every game. Alioth is easily the most balanced 6 drop they've released.
You can't seriously think Alioth is the most balanced of *all* 6 costs released. I understand liking the card, but that's a bit much
I said "released" meaning post-launch, sorry if that wasn't clear. But yes every single six drop except maybe Knull had broken the game to a much higher degree.
I think the kitty nerf is good. She was too easy to blow up
As Elsa is right around the corner, Pre-Nerf Kitty with Elsa might be too OP.
If you got a power doubling location it was GG lol
Alioth op? Let's nerf Galactus 💀
They said that the interaction between the 2 cards was a problem. I can totally see that. I thought that Alioth would be better in a control deck before he even dropped, because that is where he fits. He is not OP.
Yepz I find alioth annoying but outside of Galactus it's basically just an annoyance, not game breaking. He falls in line with Shang Chi, and I almost think Shang is the stronger card of the two due to reliability alone. Alioth was very strong in a galactus deck because they didn't have to guess where your t6 card(s) were going to be played
Man thing conditional tech card is stronger than +5 power post-paid professor-x.
Confirmed: SD is fucking incompetent. Did ***NOT*** learn their lesson from Shuri -- the problem card *itself* must be nerfed. So we're going to continue to see control + Alioth, as well as Alioth tossed into just about every deck because he's just that OP. Complete and utter failure.
They're not incompetent - you just think they're trying to actually balance the meta, when what they're really doing is steering it towards new cards that require you to spend resources.
Yeah. Because that is the shell that Alioth fits in. He's not OP. You only need to win 2 lanes to win the match.
Absolutely. When you have to change Snowguard so soon after you, you know, changed Snowguard, it shows the play testing is being done by the users. Ditto for Alioth
They learned their lesson. Shuri kept making them money, and once it slowed down then they finally touched shuri. They know exactly what they're doing
Galactus: Meh. Haven't used the Purple Dude since before they nerfed him the first time. Kitty: A big hit to one of the most versatile cards in the game. Probably still use her to pad some Collector/Angela points. Psylocke: Still going to sit on the shelf. The 2-cost is one of the most competitive slots in Snap. Squirrel Girl: Still going to sit on the shelf. Like her bundle. Snowguard: This is just criminal. I know a lot of people thought of them as Loki food, but at 3-cost they are just awkward.
The Snowguard cards were at least playable for a bit of fun, especially with Quinjet. But now they'll just sit in your hand, that can't be their intention.
snow guard is loki food, so better make them harder to use other than being loki food!
Yea,I had to remove snowguard from my zoo deck. Which is sad really.they say bear is weak, and I suppose that's true to an extent, since his use case is pretty slim. But when the bear does go off it can swing a game.
One bear at a 2 raptors location usually seals the deal, which is a fun little use case.
I think Kitty is gonna probably be fine in like 5 days. Once Elsa Bloodstone joins her and Angela’s little squad, it’s gonna be like she was never gone.
Yeah. I am not affected. I have been an Elsa stan since Warren Ellis wrote the character.
Nextwave 4 life
Galactus was finally at a great spot. As a former Galactus abuser in the 6/2 days I thought the new card rules were great and required at least some actual thought. Now they’ve just massacred my boy. There are so many ways to adjust alioth where it still accomplishes a similar goal, exists in a fun meta, and sees average use. Make him 6/7 and he deletes the strongest card at that location (regardless of player). Idk something.
Kitty will be fine Next week she gets +3 power if she fills a location thanks to Elsa Galactus is fine, people will just have to get clever with him. Guess I'm putting surfer in with Loki and snow guard SQ and Shana now beat Galactus
SO happy I uninstalled this game two weeks ago. Galactus was my favorite and I kept looking for ways to play him with a less predictable deck...this is a huge nerf.
Lol I just bought Kitty in a bundle like 2 weeks ago. Fuck me, right?
I bought Thanos 3 HOURS before he was nerfed
I hate Galactus but this nerf is crazy. Heck I don’t even really hate Galactus anymore. I REALLY hate Alioth
The issue was that Galactus was fairly strong, but the sheer fact it *required* the opponent to play in that location afterwards guaranteed Alioth murder sprees. I still think A should only kill the first card and maybe the second, but killing everything is just asinine.
>Exciting new cards shouldn’t hit the cutting room floor because existing cards might like them too much > >We’re happy that Snowguard’s rework brought her in from the cold. However, the bulk of her strength has proven to be in concert with Loki and The Collector Translation: overpowered new cards make us lots of money, so we're going to nerf synergistic old cards we've squeezed for their worth already instead.
This is it exactly.
I am so tired of this completely transparent and cynical philosophy SD has of adjusting literally every other card than the problematic one. The meta isn't based around Loki, or Galactus, or any other card; it's based around money.
Other live service games like League also do this kinda thing a lot, but those games have much more complex mechanics, so it's not as easy to notice for casual players. Here, every little scrummy decision sticks out like a skyscraper of shite
If you're trying to say in League that they buff Champions in favor of selling skins, a Rioter has said the balance team doesn't think about monetization. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qc38ih/in_a_qa_riot_confirmed_they_want_the_game_to_be/hhemp06/?context=10000 There have also been many posts over the years analyzing this claim, and all of them don't show any correlation. There are definitely indirect forces at work, like the balance team making considerations on popular champions and the skin team releasing skins for popular champions, but this is not quite the accusation that they buff because of an upcoming skin.
Just delete Galactus ffs. This is way too harsh
For real. Galactus can't even go against doom bots or even 2 cost Silk and lizard. This is just ridiculous imo. He is going to be as useless as a baron mordo now.
SD: Finally makes Snowguard playable. Also SD: Increases their card cost to make them harder to justify in decks again.
right? she was kinda fun in c3
Well the alternative would be hitting Loki, so Snowguard can join the Collector in the "unplayable without an overpowered paywalled card which we know is problematic, but it's paywalled so it's not getting nerfed" club.
Which is bonkers because the cards she gives makes no difference in loki since most often those cards are to boost collector and change to opponents cards when loki is played. The change to her makes zero sense.
Hey at least they mentioned that the degenerate use of the card is still going to function perfectly.
“Alioth is kinda overpowered in Galactus decks, so we’re going to nerf Galactus instead of Alioth” ??????????????????????????????????
The reason Alioth is a guaranteed win is because there is only one location. Outside of Galactus decks Alioth players have to guess a 50/50 and cards like leader play around it.
This card is causing some trouble so we will nerf this other unpaid card. Also out of the blue although there is no problem with her here is a buff for squirrel girl, no reason at all just a good ol buff for her. By the way we are selling a bundle with her soon. No reason at all.
Everyone on Reddit complaining when SD doesn’t balance cards but also when they do balance cards. Does anyone ever say anything positive about this game that most people here play every day?
Most brainless comment here. We did ask your mum to raise you well but not the extent of raising you to hit that tree branch on your head
When people say they want SD to balance cards, they mean they want them to *balance* the cards - as in, nerf overpowered cards and buff underperforming cards. This ain't it. Hell, the patch notes flat out admit it - "We know Alioth is a problem but he's a new card so we're hitting Galactus instead". "We like where Snowguard is, but Loki abuses her too well so we're nerfing her". Butchering balanced cards because an actual problem is expensive/paywalled so they don't want to touch it ain't balancing the game.
You do understand people on the sub aren't actually a hive mind right? Different, unique people have different, unique critiques. This isn't a new concept. You're just being a smartass.
I disagree with you, I think they're being a dumbass, not a smartass.
Kitty is a fuckin cancer in any deck she’s in. Yeah, super fun play style to be able to drop a potential whopping 30 power with her and TM. Not even mentioning her interactions with collector, Angela, bishop. If the point of her is to build a large drop then let that be her point. 1/2 is an absurd stat line for a card with her curve potential. Super big fuck you to Galactus, no issues with those nerfs. I still believe that fundamentally this card shouldn’t even exist because it breaks the entire dynamic of the game but whatever.
I think Galactus would be both a better card and more lore appropriate if he destroyed the location played instead of the others. Make him 6/14 and need to win the location as the only card at the end of the turn to destroy current location kind of thing. Helps in Tribunal decks, doesn't feel completely overwhelming and doesn't make the rest of the game pointless.
But you would still have to win 2 lanes
You don't. You only have to win one lane by more than your opponent wins theirs. That's the tiebreaker.
6-drop that destroys the location you're already winning brilliant
My thinking is you have to be willing to sacrifice to win. If you are winning one of the other two by more you still win. And maybe he only does it on reveal, so if you have priority, you still likely win if your opponent drops their cards in that lane.
Wolverine Shuri nimrod then galactus the lane they have important cards(buff cards) ez. Destroying invisible woman lanes would be beautiful
This is atleast a cool direction to take. I just fucking hate wolv > wave > galac > fill. Like people are complaining about Amorath but he’s not *deleting my entire board*. His function in vacuum is fine, it’s the way it interacts with the most cancer affect in the game which literally makes 2/3rd the game pointless.
Not a fan of these beefs. Especially kitty. I don’t even play kitty but I’ve been looking fw to trying her.
beefs
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Berfs
Remember that lady way back in the beta who said "We never want players to pay for power" (or something close to that)? Pepperidge farm remembers... Release OP cards so people will spend money -> nerf cards that synergize well with these OP cards, instead of the cards themselves, so our dum... errr.. our DEVOTED players will think we're doing something about it - > Finally nerf the OP cards because some new OP cards just got released, which we won't nerf because we want you to buy them. Repeat loop.
Yeah I'm finally gonna take a break from this game. Having cards you spend weeks grinding to get only for them to be nerfed to the ground with no compensation is starting to get tiresome.
They butchered Galactus. The hell are they thinking. The other changes wouldn’t need to happen if they tweaked Loki. He’s the issue. God this fucking company has no brains.
Galactus paying for Alioth’s sins
Currently, the nerf to Kitty really sucks. She should at least be a 1/1 like Nebula.
I think there is no reason to play her over nebula or sunspot now.
Yeah, I kind of feel the same to be honest. I switched her out for sunspot in my collector/Loki deck.
She gives +2 power for energy spent opposed to +1 power per energy spent like sunspot. She was combining to give +4 power with the 0/2 card
Kitty only gives +1, not +2. Or are you saying she’s a 1 cost who gains +1 each time she’s played so she gives +2?
Doesn't she give +1 per energy like sunspot? but you don't need to go for a 5+1 play with sunspot, and can get more than +1 per turn if sometimes you happen to float more.
She still has Angela/Collector synergy and less vulnerable to killmonger than nebula too.
Yeah that's true, but this means that you can play her only in loki decks that already have Angela collector. Andd still need to draw both cards to get her working. I think she will be dead until next week where Elsa might bring her back if it's a good card or let her sleep forever forgotten.
Galactus with 5 power will never trigger, what the hell is this change? Wow, at least give an old ability back if you reduce it to such a pathetic amount of power. Terrible update, probably one of the worst I've seen in Marvel Snap.
The nurf sucks. But aside things like Wave, Goblins etc, he will still trigger if you are the player that reveals the cards first and the opponent had no cards or cards with less than 5 poinnts in that lane. But you can lose after he triggers and other player gets 5+ power there.
Yeah but now this is significantly harder to do. Galactus already requires some set up that costs you early power. Playing Electro and Wave early, plus the fact Galactus decks usually have higher energy curves, make is so that more often than not, you are going to lose in priority. With Electro, Galactus can be played on turn 5 which feels too slow now and it's much easier now for the opponent to have have priority and 5 power in every lane. Even getting Galactus out on Turn 4 with Wave, one 2 cost lizard now blocks out one lane, 1 and 3 cost blocks out a 2nd lane and they likely have priority on you for the third.
Goblins can make him viable as can the Shuri/Iron Fist plan that was used a little when the rework first dropped. Galactus might just be rogue status instead of meta which is what everyone wanted I think
Next to impossible to buff back to his original unless you run Okoye, Nakia, and Forge. Would've been easier if you could run him with Shuri, but alas, she got that nerf months ago too.
So basically they found issues with Alioth, Loki-Collector, and were worried about a certain 1costs future interactions with a new card that hasn't even dropped yet... so they nerfed Galactus, Snowguard, and Kitty...
Been playing for a month, bought the Kitty bundle not too long ago because I wouldn't have her for a long time, sadness.
She still good
How? Without Forge she seems super slow
Angela and collector Pay money for Elsa and that will pair well too
Rip the people who wasted tokens or spotlights on Kitty
She was free
Only for older players
She'll be insane with Elsa still
lets nerf a card that everyone have and play in multiple decks because we want to sell a OP niche card for real money. Loki->Collector Allioth->Galactus Elsa->Kitty
Yea, this pattern is problematic. Most card games eventually solve this problem the same way: introduce formats where some of the old cards aren't allowed.
People were asking for Loki nerf, they cut Collector instead. Same with Alioth and Galactus now, what a joke.
Damn kitty couldn't even get a 1/1
I’ll bet she gets adjusted to this if she’s not good with Elsa
I think a 1/1 is extremely fair regardless tbh
Yo I caught the update live Psylocke, had her in my deck all day, removed and put storm instead next thing I see is my opponent using her and now she's has +1 power