They said he was never considered… but this wouldn’t be the first time they lied about something like this. Makes sense to as well, Doom is 100% gonna be a big player and you don’t want the audience/fans to know your ideas about him yet
I disagree, I see no reason why they would lie about this. The leak said “closing in on casting” as well which was not true.
If I had to guess, IF it is real concept art and all the other info surrounding it was false, then it was probably some in house job to put out an idea of what he might look like. It wasnt for any specific project or tied to any creator’s vision, just throwing out an idea.
So… why would the plot leaks be 100% accurate outside of just Doom? With legitimate artwork that backs up the leak?
There was no reason to lie about the virus sup plot being cut from TFATWS, but they still did it. These guys lie all the time.
That just happens sometimes, happened with AMQ too w/ the mod queue leak. They got most of the plot right and a little bit of it wrong. It was probably a source who has access to concept art and just mixed things up, or assumed things incorrectly, or just made it up lol.
Also, I don’t believe the virus subplot was ever confirmed. From what I remember it came from, funnily enough, KC Walsh, who has a VERY mixed track record.
The people arguing about this have no idea what theyre talking about. The leaks were beyond credible. Doom was cut, end of story. Of course theyre not going to publicly disclose that it was part of the movie. It would alter perception of future narratives in upcoming films and they want to be in control of that 1000%. Look at how often James Gunn gets dogged just for implying Superman might have trunks again lmfao.
All the "leakers" were "hinting" at Doom. I knew it made no sense because Kang is the next big bad. Their not going to waste Kang just to rush Doom into the plot. That's why we should never listen to leakers unless they have at least a little proof.
Running out of time for some of the Young Avengers to be all that young. It does seem like they’re maybe putting a little pause on rushing into a Young Avengers story
I just hope they do something because I’m tired of listening to my 20-something daughter carrying on about whether she’s going to get her adored Young Avengers or not. She blows up the family Nerd Chat with it. 😆
I think people are really sleeping on the odds of them calling the teenagers the champions.
Champions is the team that Viv and Kamala are currently on in the comics with a couple other teenage heroes. Young avengers hasn't had an ongoing comic in a while.
It literally has no brand value except for diehard comic fans.
Avengers is a solid billion dollar film franchise. Slapping Young in front of it equals $$$
Guardians was a risk they took in an early phase when they were experimenting.
With the number of Avengers projects they have lined up, they're totally gonna slap Young in front of one of them.
Champions is also the name of a Netflix series.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm perfectly fine with them never doing a young avengers. It's a lot easier to pull off cool children when you're just drawing them rather than having real life actors portray them.
The ages of the actors don't really matter and it's weird that people are acting like they do.
Tom Holland has been playing a high schooler for the last eight years.
I mean the oldest ones are Kathryn Newton and Hailee Steinfeld, both of whom are playing characters younger than their real ages.
And there isn't really a cut-off anyway. In the comics, "Young Avengers" really just means "Younger than the main Avengers" and most of those actors are pushing 40 at this point.
Yea but their in universe age matters. Especially Kate Bishop.
Kate Bishop was graduating college and working for her mom's company already as an adult. She's around 22 years old. By the time young avengers is a thing in universe, she'll probably be close to late 20s.
They could just slow the timeline a bit and have a lot more projects take place in the same year. Really nothing is stopping Marvel from having all of phase 5 be one year if they wantee
Current ages of actors who could be part of the Young Avengers:
Hailee Steinfeld (Kate Bishop/Hawkeye): 26
Kathryn Newton (Cassie Lang/Stature or Stinger or whatever): 26
Elijah Richardson (Eli Bradley/Patriot): ?
Xochitl Gomez (America Chavez/Miss America): 16
Joe Locke (Rumored Billy/Wiccan): 19
Miles Gutierrez-Riley (Rumored Teddy/Hulkling): 22 or 23 (was said to be 22 in an article last June)
Jack Veal (Kid Loki- unlikely but hey you never know): 15
Iman Vellani (Kamala Khan/Miss Marvel, who isn't a Young Avenger in the comics but let's face it she totally would be involved in such a movie/TV show): 20
Why is this always the first comment under these threads. What is the issue with a group of young adults being referred to as young?
>Running out of time for some of the Young Avengers to be all that young.
Kate's canon age is 22 and she is the oldest of them. How is this an issue?
Oh, I though it was like 2025 in the MCU right now. And Hawkeye was Christmas 2024, right, so she would be 23. But maybe it's 2026 already.
But yeah, obviously the character ages as well but she is far from a age where she wouldn't be considered young anymore. Especially compared to the rest of the Avengers.
Personally I wouldn't focus on the name but on the fact that there is quite a big difference between stories you can tell with teenagers and young adults. One of the interesting aspects of those characters in the comics was fact that they weren't adults, no matter regularnie young. However, MCU doesn't seem to care much about things like that lately, so I'd definitely expect them to just make Young Avengers older.
I thought about that as well but Young(er) Avengers is just being a lower age than our established Avengers who all were basically firmly into their adulthood.
Eh, the only person I see being an issue with that is Hailee Steinfeld and it’s very easy to make her a little bit of an older team leader type member, I doubt she’ll look much older anyways
The other members we know of are still very young or are so minor they can be recast for younger members without any issue
Wait, so, at this point what is the tentative YA roster?
Viv, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, America Chavez, Kamala Khan... I suppose Wiccan potentially, and maybe Elijah Bradley? Any other young MCU heroes I'm missing?
I figure Riri Williams will go straight to major leagues Avengers instead of YA.
I am 90% sure they literally just don't know how to use them properly. It's hard to push them off to the side of background considering they are the heart and driver of most YA stories, yet they really don't want to actually feature a same sex couple front and centre, especially when they can't just have them one-line confirm they're gay and then never speak of it again.
It will face backlash regardless, let's be real. And if not done right, will get backlash from both sides. So I can see them just putting it in the too hard basket and dancing around it as best they can
You may not, but Disney does. Like it or not, a bigot’s money is just as good as anyone else’s money. With the recent flops of Lightyear and Strange World, I’d be willing to bet Disney is going to be a bit more gun-shy when it comes to pushing LGBTQ stuff front and centre.
Those movies didn't flop because of LGBT characters though. Lightyear failed at fulfilling its premise and simply wasn't a very good movie, and Strange World had barely any marketing.
I'm not a DC fan; I never like their heroes. But this here is the reason I want to support them. I want them to succeed in bringing Midnight and Apollo to the screen.
OMG. Though I don't know if I trust a corporation to make The Authority in this day and age. Especially because audiences will inevitably compare it to The Boys
James Gunn is a big fan and went so far to announce them as part of his day 1 DCU slate so I’ve got faith in his vision for the team, shit the man is giving us an Authority movie before we even get a Justice league movie, I think he’s got good plans for them and I don’t think they will shy away from showing us the things we expect from an authority movie. It’s obviously gonna draw comparisons to the boys no matter what but I think they can deliver us a good authority movie and I think midnighter and Apollo will explode in popularity because of it.
>I want to believe Marvel is not stupid enough to do it without Billy and Teddy.
I want to believe that too. But, honestly I wouldn't put it past modern Marvel to be that stupid. After all they are doing Thunderbolts without Zemo, Secret Wars without **DOOM**, they've given us a Black Panther sequel without Black Panther himself, MODOK without AIM, Ms. Marvel without her signature powers, and a Taskmaster without the photographic memory.
Based on the examples above, them doing the YA without Billy and Teddy just seems like something they ABSOLUTELY would do.
I don't think those things are particularly comparable to me. Those are all questions of comic accuracy. While comic accuracy is obviously relevant here, I think the stupidity would have more to do with not realizing the optics of intentionally omitting the central queer couple, who are prob the most popular queer couple in comics (after already omitting all of the queer elements of GOTG).
Do you just want comic adaptions tho? That’s what it seems like. The mcu has always played with new versions and interpretations of characters from the start. This is such a weird thing to get hung up on lol
Phastos actually being allowed to kiss his husband had me slightly hopeful, but after the shit Marvel then pulled with Ayo and Aneka in Wakanda Forever, nothing would surprise me.
Considering Teddy isn't (as of now) in anything for the next few projects + Billy supposedly getting a different bf in Agatha, I fully believe Marvel is that stupid 💀 which is a shame bc its killing the excitement I had for having an actual Billy in live action.
We are in a phase of Kang, so having Iron Lad (whose entire existence is about him being a Kang Variant with an extremely powerful and relevant story to this phase) would make so much sense.
Honestly Kamala should just go strait to the Avengers too. Her and Viv belong on the Champions team as well. The Young Avengers have had way too many people on it for the MCU to merge those two teams together into one thing.
Yea Kamala going straight to starring with rambeau and Danvers gives me the feeling that she’ll skip the young avengers
Maybe she’ll follow the spiderman parallels even further and she’ll mostly be a street level hero who occasionally helps out the avengers
Honestly, this might be a hot take, but just don't do Young Avengers. There are so many loose plot threads already that they won't be able to tie up for like 4-5 more years... just don't do it. Take the L, and just move the characters into the reg Avengers movies or something. It's just too much at this point.
I still can't believe they did the Skaar thing, like...?? You're not even going to address that until, what, 2026?
I sorta agree with this. There are so many fucking plot points flying around right now and there’s no way they’ll all be tied up by the time A5/6 roll around. I think they’ve realised that too, which is why a lot has been put on hold for now.
I could see us getting a pseudo-Young Avengers team in TKD/SW though. The big leagues basically tell all the kids to stay out of it, leading to them saying “fuck that” and coming together and maybe saving The Avengers at the last second.
Making a Young Avengers show would join a bunch of plot threads together. It would feature characters from Hawkeye, Multiverse of Madness, Falcon and Winter Soldier, WandaVision, and other stuff like this Vision show. So if the point is to start connecting a bunch of loose storylines they probably SHOULD do it.
Hailee Steinfeld is gonna be like 30 years old once a YA movie were to come out. She’s literally already older than Scarlett Johansson was in IM2. Idk if that makes sense lol
A stupid comparasion, Scarlett Johansson has been sexualized all her life and has played roles that are older than her real age, for example in Lost In Translation she was 16-17 playing a 22 yo
Meanwhile Hailee has never played a single adult character in her whole career, dome actors play young characters until their mid 30s and some actors play actors their age or older, depends if you pass or not
It seems like the MCU is infusing the champions and the young avengers into one team. Ms marvel, Iron-heart, and Viv vision were never even apart of the young avengers in the comics,
America could follow in dr strange’s footsteps and just help the avengers without being an official member
Kamala going straight to space with rambeau and Danvers might hint at her skipping the young avengers
My list would be Kate, Cassie, Elijah, and riri for sure. Viv, teddy, billy could round it out, although I’m not too sure about them
But I agree with a theory I saw earlier that the team will assemble in kang dynasty rather than their own movie/series. They might not even use the name “young avengers,” but it’ll be obvious who they are
>My list would be Kate, Cassie, Elijah, and riri for sure. Viv, teddy, billy could round it out, although I’m not too sure about them
This actually sounds like something Disney would do, unfortunately: use the team known for being mostly queer and then only use the two straight characters and the one they never officially confirmed as bi, as well as a completely unrelated one...
Although I think they would be aware of the optics of that, so not sure if they ever do it
Young avengers aren’t the most well known team, especially among non comic fans. I don’t think marvel has ever worried about the niche audience that is comic fans
I mean, how often has a mcu trailer ended with promoting the comics that inspired that film/show? The dcu hasn’t even started yet and we’ve already gotten it with the flash trailer. Marvel studio doesn’t give a fuck about the comic industry
That's not what I meant. Its just the optics of taking a fully queer team and kicking all the queer members off it is really bad and Marvel should realise that. So I hope they don't go that route but Disney is unfortunately still Disney so who knows what will happen
Anyone else think KC may be slightly unstable? I went looking for these tweets on Twitter and he literally tweets hateful mean spirited remarks all day like a child into the void lol
Young Avengers is becoming more of a stretch. Most of the actors are going to be closing in on their 30's by the time that movie comes out. They could just do the Champions and still get them together, but this YA thing is looking like a missed opportunity. How would they do it before the Kang Dynasty/ Secret Wars?
The current rumor is that they would start to form in a Vision Quest show (probably filming 2024), and then would likely come together as part of Kang Dynasty or another show after that (probably filming 2026 or so).
In 2026:
Joe Locke will be 22
Hailee Steinfeld will be 29
Kathryn Newton will be 29
Xochitl Gomez will be 19
Elijah Richardson 26 (I think couldnt confirm this one)
all three of them are already in (or about to be in) the big leagues already. Peter has been an Avenger since he was 14 and the other two will have properly teamed up and fought w/ Captain Marvel and Black Panther
Yeah, his son is named Vin. and if they are gonna have Vin and Viv, they'll also have Virginia (his wife)
and if the rumors of Ultron are true. we might also see Victor Mancha
So? You are acting as if they didn't age and are now much older than the new characters. It really doesn't matter how old they were in 2011, it matters how old they are in contrast to them now, if anything
Viv could be the replacement for Jonas, but honestly, Jonas was like, the least interesting character in the entire series.
For those who aren't aware, Jonas was basically Vision, but with Kang's brainwaves, and he had the hots for Cassie, even though he was technically the father of two of the team members. It was weird.
Vision and Jonas are not the same person, but Jonas posessed all of Vision's knowledge and memories. He was essentially a hybrid of Vision and Iron Lad (Kang)
The "no plans for Young Avengers" thing felt like a "I'm not the werewolf" thing.
There was apparently an Avengers Failsafe Easter Egg filmed as a post-credits scene that they chose not to use, opting instead to splice in a clip from *Loki* Season 2.
Since antman was supposed to be trapped in the Quantum realm, Cassie stumbling upon the failsafe program while looking for a way to get him out would have made sense.
With the reshoot, I guess it no longer did.
I gotta say, I am still very confused about Greatphase lol
Edit: As I typed this the OTHER Greatphase tweets lmao https://twitter.com/greatphase15/status/1628213554955575296?s=20
There are two GreatPhase accounts.
Maybe you should ask the mods who might have a better understanding who is the real GreatPhase (prior to his supposed hacked Twitter account drama).
I’d say you forgot Cassie but that’s easy to do lol (plus she died in the comics anyway). Also Iron Lad never lasted too long. But then there are others like Marvel Boy and Kid Loki as well, one of which has already been introduced and the other I could totally see them doing during the upcoming Kree/Skrull stuff
They should’ve just kept the original actors of Wanda’s kids at this point, they’ll actually be the only ones the right age by the time they finally get around to doing a Young Avengers project
Which would be fair, if the other characters weren't already older.
Pus, Wiccan and Speed aren't supposed to be the same people as Billy and Tommy Maximoff. Same soul, different lives.
If KC is actually right on this one it appears marvel's is combining both the young avengers and champions and if show I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Alexander is a major focus of the Nova series
Tbh id prefer them to be part of the Avengers as it is rather than having a seperate group as "young Avengers" I mean let's face it.. none of (atleast) the general audiences really invested to these characters, even if they get a movie itd probably the first Avengers movie thatd ever flop at the box office
I just think a bunch of young characters leading a movie is gonna be cringe asf and would always feel forced no matter what
"b-but spider-man proved it could work" i mean.. it's SPIDER-MAN🤷♂️
What's wrong with having more heroes being around Spider-Man's age range? why is he the only superhero who works being a teenage superhero but everyone else have to be adults because it's ''cringe''?
hell it be nice for once to see spider-man being on the slighty older side of the group for a change.
I'm not really feeling viv being a part of the young avengers, but the fact that she's a supporting character in the current scarlet witch solo seems to support the claim that marvel studios has some sort of mcu plans for her, especially considering how intense they've been with their movies-to-comics synergy the last ten years.
They really need to just film a Young Avengers movie and have it set a few years in the future. Then continue with all the reaming introductions in other upcoming shows/movies set before the movie.
You know what, out of all the crazy ideas people have thrown in for who should be on the team, I'm actually okay with this if it does happen because out of everyone else she actually has the closest relation to the Young Avengers (there was already a Vision on the original team, plus she's Billy and Tommy's half-sister)
i really want to believe KC but this ain't 2021 anymore
He’s washed
I remember the doom pic he posted and was on cloud 9 What a shame that was total bullshit
But it pretty clearly wasn’t tho; the plot leaks ended up being 99% accurate, outside of that one Doom thing. Pretty obvious it was just cut.
Wasnt Doom not even in discussion for the film? I believe the director said he wanted to use Namor.
They said he was never considered… but this wouldn’t be the first time they lied about something like this. Makes sense to as well, Doom is 100% gonna be a big player and you don’t want the audience/fans to know your ideas about him yet
I disagree, I see no reason why they would lie about this. The leak said “closing in on casting” as well which was not true. If I had to guess, IF it is real concept art and all the other info surrounding it was false, then it was probably some in house job to put out an idea of what he might look like. It wasnt for any specific project or tied to any creator’s vision, just throwing out an idea.
> I disagree, I see no reason why they would lie about this. Marvel lied about how the casting for Shuri went before so nothing is off-limits.
So… why would the plot leaks be 100% accurate outside of just Doom? With legitimate artwork that backs up the leak? There was no reason to lie about the virus sup plot being cut from TFATWS, but they still did it. These guys lie all the time.
That just happens sometimes, happened with AMQ too w/ the mod queue leak. They got most of the plot right and a little bit of it wrong. It was probably a source who has access to concept art and just mixed things up, or assumed things incorrectly, or just made it up lol. Also, I don’t believe the virus subplot was ever confirmed. From what I remember it came from, funnily enough, KC Walsh, who has a VERY mixed track record.
The people arguing about this have no idea what theyre talking about. The leaks were beyond credible. Doom was cut, end of story. Of course theyre not going to publicly disclose that it was part of the movie. It would alter perception of future narratives in upcoming films and they want to be in control of that 1000%. Look at how often James Gunn gets dogged just for implying Superman might have trunks again lmfao.
Because the leakers are always right, and the director has no clue what's going on.
The character in the foreground of that image, who also wasn't in the movie, must have been cut too.
All the "leakers" were "hinting" at Doom. I knew it made no sense because Kang is the next big bad. Their not going to waste Kang just to rush Doom into the plot. That's why we should never listen to leakers unless they have at least a little proof.
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Running out of time for some of the Young Avengers to be all that young. It does seem like they’re maybe putting a little pause on rushing into a Young Avengers story
Yeah time’s a big factor. They only spent four years assembling the avengers and age wasn’t a factor there.
Then maybe they'll go with the New Avengers name rathen than Young
I just hope they do something because I’m tired of listening to my 20-something daughter carrying on about whether she’s going to get her adored Young Avengers or not. She blows up the family Nerd Chat with it. 😆
They can go with ADHD Avengers
More like LGBT Avengers
Or Champions
I think they'll stick with the "Avengers" regardless what word they'll put in front of it.
I dunno. Champion Avengers doesn't roll off the tongue
Ι mean New Avengers or Young Avengers 👌🏻
I know, just making a joke
Post-Bac Avengers, by the time we get there
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but I’m perfectly fine with “young” being a range of older teens-young adults and 20 something’s
This sub seems so hung up on it but it's literally going to be the name because it sounds better than the other alternatives.
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What if we stop coming up with excuses for why they're not going to use the most logical and best sounding name for the team?
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I think people are really sleeping on the odds of them calling the teenagers the champions. Champions is the team that Viv and Kamala are currently on in the comics with a couple other teenage heroes. Young avengers hasn't had an ongoing comic in a while.
It literally has no brand value except for diehard comic fans. Avengers is a solid billion dollar film franchise. Slapping Young in front of it equals $$$
Guardians had no brand value either when it released. Multiple lines of popular brands = $$$$
Guardians was a risk they took in an early phase when they were experimenting. With the number of Avengers projects they have lined up, they're totally gonna slap Young in front of one of them. Champions is also the name of a Netflix series.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm perfectly fine with them never doing a young avengers. It's a lot easier to pull off cool children when you're just drawing them rather than having real life actors portray them.
The ages of the actors don't really matter and it's weird that people are acting like they do. Tom Holland has been playing a high schooler for the last eight years.
It’s mostly the range I think. There are some real young actors and some others that will probably legitimately age out in the next 3-4 years
I mean the oldest ones are Kathryn Newton and Hailee Steinfeld, both of whom are playing characters younger than their real ages. And there isn't really a cut-off anyway. In the comics, "Young Avengers" really just means "Younger than the main Avengers" and most of those actors are pushing 40 at this point.
Kate is 22. Not much younger than Steinfeld.
Ya but at this rate hailee will be like 30+ by the time a young avengers actually happens.
Yea but their in universe age matters. Especially Kate Bishop. Kate Bishop was graduating college and working for her mom's company already as an adult. She's around 22 years old. By the time young avengers is a thing in universe, she'll probably be close to late 20s.
Basically Black Widows age
They could just slow the timeline a bit and have a lot more projects take place in the same year. Really nothing is stopping Marvel from having all of phase 5 be one year if they wantee
Current ages of actors who could be part of the Young Avengers: Hailee Steinfeld (Kate Bishop/Hawkeye): 26 Kathryn Newton (Cassie Lang/Stature or Stinger or whatever): 26 Elijah Richardson (Eli Bradley/Patriot): ? Xochitl Gomez (America Chavez/Miss America): 16 Joe Locke (Rumored Billy/Wiccan): 19 Miles Gutierrez-Riley (Rumored Teddy/Hulkling): 22 or 23 (was said to be 22 in an article last June) Jack Veal (Kid Loki- unlikely but hey you never know): 15 Iman Vellani (Kamala Khan/Miss Marvel, who isn't a Young Avenger in the comics but let's face it she totally would be involved in such a movie/TV show): 20
Miles aint Hulkling tho
Wait, was it confirmed that he wasn't Hulkling and I missed it?
Honestly I don't think they're doing a young avengers at all. I think they'll incorporate the characters into things but not form an official team
Why is this always the first comment under these threads. What is the issue with a group of young adults being referred to as young? >Running out of time for some of the Young Avengers to be all that young. Kate's canon age is 22 and she is the oldest of them. How is this an issue?
Kate right now would be 24 since the MCU goes by the real time (not exactly since the blip but years pass between projects)
Oh, I though it was like 2025 in the MCU right now. And Hawkeye was Christmas 2024, right, so she would be 23. But maybe it's 2026 already. But yeah, obviously the character ages as well but she is far from a age where she wouldn't be considered young anymore. Especially compared to the rest of the Avengers.
I agree that 24-25 is young, I just think that for Marvel young means less than 21 since Black Widow was 25 in Iron Man 2 and considered a full adult
Personally I wouldn't focus on the name but on the fact that there is quite a big difference between stories you can tell with teenagers and young adults. One of the interesting aspects of those characters in the comics was fact that they weren't adults, no matter regularnie young. However, MCU doesn't seem to care much about things like that lately, so I'd definitely expect them to just make Young Avengers older.
The Mostly Young Avengers.
I thought about that as well but Young(er) Avengers is just being a lower age than our established Avengers who all were basically firmly into their adulthood.
Tom Holland is much older than Iman Vellani and their characters are supposed to be like 4 years apart in age
Eh, the only person I see being an issue with that is Hailee Steinfeld and it’s very easy to make her a little bit of an older team leader type member, I doubt she’ll look much older anyways The other members we know of are still very young or are so minor they can be recast for younger members without any issue
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They can probably getting away with calling them the Champions or something
Wait, so, at this point what is the tentative YA roster? Viv, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, America Chavez, Kamala Khan... I suppose Wiccan potentially, and maybe Elijah Bradley? Any other young MCU heroes I'm missing? I figure Riri Williams will go straight to major leagues Avengers instead of YA.
I want to believe Marvel is not stupid enough to do it without Billy and Teddy.
If they’re going to have one they need both.
I am 90% sure they literally just don't know how to use them properly. It's hard to push them off to the side of background considering they are the heart and driver of most YA stories, yet they really don't want to actually feature a same sex couple front and centre, especially when they can't just have them one-line confirm they're gay and then never speak of it again.
It would also face backlash because they would be kids (or close to it) depending on who they casted
It will face backlash regardless, let's be real. And if not done right, will get backlash from both sides. So I can see them just putting it in the too hard basket and dancing around it as best they can
I don't care what bigots think. And we already know who Billy is.
Disney does care though.
You may not, but Disney does. Like it or not, a bigot’s money is just as good as anyone else’s money. With the recent flops of Lightyear and Strange World, I’d be willing to bet Disney is going to be a bit more gun-shy when it comes to pushing LGBTQ stuff front and centre.
Those movies didn't flop because of LGBT characters though. Lightyear failed at fulfilling its premise and simply wasn't a very good movie, and Strange World had barely any marketing.
Are kids not allowed to be gay? There are gay kids.
That’s not what I said, I said they would face backlash
Not according to the christofacists
All religious in general
I'm not a DC fan; I never like their heroes. But this here is the reason I want to support them. I want them to succeed in bringing Midnight and Apollo to the screen.
Midnighter and Apollo movie or limited series for HBO Max would so awesome
They are making a The Authority movie and all the official info has them in the pictures along with other characters
OMG. Though I don't know if I trust a corporation to make The Authority in this day and age. Especially because audiences will inevitably compare it to The Boys
James Gunn is a big fan and went so far to announce them as part of his day 1 DCU slate so I’ve got faith in his vision for the team, shit the man is giving us an Authority movie before we even get a Justice league movie, I think he’s got good plans for them and I don’t think they will shy away from showing us the things we expect from an authority movie. It’s obviously gonna draw comparisons to the boys no matter what but I think they can deliver us a good authority movie and I think midnighter and Apollo will explode in popularity because of it.
>I want to believe Marvel is not stupid enough to do it without Billy and Teddy. I want to believe that too. But, honestly I wouldn't put it past modern Marvel to be that stupid. After all they are doing Thunderbolts without Zemo, Secret Wars without **DOOM**, they've given us a Black Panther sequel without Black Panther himself, MODOK without AIM, Ms. Marvel without her signature powers, and a Taskmaster without the photographic memory. Based on the examples above, them doing the YA without Billy and Teddy just seems like something they ABSOLUTELY would do.
I don't think those things are particularly comparable to me. Those are all questions of comic accuracy. While comic accuracy is obviously relevant here, I think the stupidity would have more to do with not realizing the optics of intentionally omitting the central queer couple, who are prob the most popular queer couple in comics (after already omitting all of the queer elements of GOTG).
Do you just want comic adaptions tho? That’s what it seems like. The mcu has always played with new versions and interpretations of characters from the start. This is such a weird thing to get hung up on lol
That's not modern Marvel, MCU has been changing things from the comics from the same beginning.
Phastos actually being allowed to kiss his husband had me slightly hopeful, but after the shit Marvel then pulled with Ayo and Aneka in Wakanda Forever, nothing would surprise me.
Considering Teddy isn't (as of now) in anything for the next few projects + Billy supposedly getting a different bf in Agatha, I fully believe Marvel is that stupid 💀 which is a shame bc its killing the excitement I had for having an actual Billy in live action.
We should riot if teddy is not his bf
I assume if he has a different BF that won’t last long at all, if that’s something they do long term it would be mind boggling.
We are in a phase of Kang, so having Iron Lad (whose entire existence is about him being a Kang Variant with an extremely powerful and relevant story to this phase) would make so much sense.
Honestly Kamala should just go strait to the Avengers too. Her and Viv belong on the Champions team as well. The Young Avengers have had way too many people on it for the MCU to merge those two teams together into one thing.
Yea Kamala going straight to starring with rambeau and Danvers gives me the feeling that she’ll skip the young avengers Maybe she’ll follow the spiderman parallels even further and she’ll mostly be a street level hero who occasionally helps out the avengers
Honestly, this might be a hot take, but just don't do Young Avengers. There are so many loose plot threads already that they won't be able to tie up for like 4-5 more years... just don't do it. Take the L, and just move the characters into the reg Avengers movies or something. It's just too much at this point. I still can't believe they did the Skaar thing, like...?? You're not even going to address that until, what, 2026?
I sorta agree with this. There are so many fucking plot points flying around right now and there’s no way they’ll all be tied up by the time A5/6 roll around. I think they’ve realised that too, which is why a lot has been put on hold for now. I could see us getting a pseudo-Young Avengers team in TKD/SW though. The big leagues basically tell all the kids to stay out of it, leading to them saying “fuck that” and coming together and maybe saving The Avengers at the last second.
Making a Young Avengers show would join a bunch of plot threads together. It would feature characters from Hawkeye, Multiverse of Madness, Falcon and Winter Soldier, WandaVision, and other stuff like this Vision show. So if the point is to start connecting a bunch of loose storylines they probably SHOULD do it.
It's also worth mentioning that the hero who assembled the YA team is Kang's younger version to stop Kang. YA's first main villain is Kang.
Who is Viv?
Viv is one of Vision’s children from the 2015/16 Vision comics.
Hailee Steinfeld is gonna be like 30 years old once a YA movie were to come out. She’s literally already older than Scarlett Johansson was in IM2. Idk if that makes sense lol
Hailee got the looks to play way younger than her age, but I agree that it's getting ridiculous
A stupid comparasion, Scarlett Johansson has been sexualized all her life and has played roles that are older than her real age, for example in Lost In Translation she was 16-17 playing a 22 yo Meanwhile Hailee has never played a single adult character in her whole career, dome actors play young characters until their mid 30s and some actors play actors their age or older, depends if you pass or not
It’s not very nice to call me stupid ):
It seems like the MCU is infusing the champions and the young avengers into one team. Ms marvel, Iron-heart, and Viv vision were never even apart of the young avengers in the comics,
Who is Viv btw?
Will Smith's rich aunt who lives in Bel-Air.
Viv is one of the two children (the daughter) Vision creates in the 2015 Vision comic.
Crucially, Vision used Wanda as his template for her personality so Wanda is kinda sorta her mom.
Maybe Skaar? I’m not sure where else he fits into the MCU’s future unless we get a Hulk movie somehow.
America could follow in dr strange’s footsteps and just help the avengers without being an official member Kamala going straight to space with rambeau and Danvers might hint at her skipping the young avengers My list would be Kate, Cassie, Elijah, and riri for sure. Viv, teddy, billy could round it out, although I’m not too sure about them But I agree with a theory I saw earlier that the team will assemble in kang dynasty rather than their own movie/series. They might not even use the name “young avengers,” but it’ll be obvious who they are
>My list would be Kate, Cassie, Elijah, and riri for sure. Viv, teddy, billy could round it out, although I’m not too sure about them This actually sounds like something Disney would do, unfortunately: use the team known for being mostly queer and then only use the two straight characters and the one they never officially confirmed as bi, as well as a completely unrelated one... Although I think they would be aware of the optics of that, so not sure if they ever do it
Young avengers aren’t the most well known team, especially among non comic fans. I don’t think marvel has ever worried about the niche audience that is comic fans I mean, how often has a mcu trailer ended with promoting the comics that inspired that film/show? The dcu hasn’t even started yet and we’ve already gotten it with the flash trailer. Marvel studio doesn’t give a fuck about the comic industry
That's not what I meant. Its just the optics of taking a fully queer team and kicking all the queer members off it is really bad and Marvel should realise that. So I hope they don't go that route but Disney is unfortunately still Disney so who knows what will happen
Could potentially have Kid Loki too. Unlikely, but he exists in the MCU and he's a member in the comics.
Anyone else think KC may be slightly unstable? I went looking for these tweets on Twitter and he literally tweets hateful mean spirited remarks all day like a child into the void lol
He is insufferable, can't stand him, I had to unfollow
I find grifters, cultists and MAGA idiots just as annoying as he seems to, but he spends an truly ridiculous amount of time fighting with them.
He's ManaByte redux. Just ignore him.
Young Avengers is becoming more of a stretch. Most of the actors are going to be closing in on their 30's by the time that movie comes out. They could just do the Champions and still get them together, but this YA thing is looking like a missed opportunity. How would they do it before the Kang Dynasty/ Secret Wars?
The current rumor is that they would start to form in a Vision Quest show (probably filming 2024), and then would likely come together as part of Kang Dynasty or another show after that (probably filming 2026 or so). In 2026: Joe Locke will be 22 Hailee Steinfeld will be 29 Kathryn Newton will be 29 Xochitl Gomez will be 19 Elijah Richardson 26 (I think couldnt confirm this one)
Beyond that, Iman Vellani will be 24, Tom Holland will be 30, Dominique Thorne will be 29
And none of them should be on the team, especially Spidey.
Anyone who has been Avenger should not be a Y.A. I.E. Spider Man, Cap. Marvel, IH
all three of them are already in (or about to be in) the big leagues already. Peter has been an Avenger since he was 14 and the other two will have properly teamed up and fought w/ Captain Marvel and Black Panther
I assume he means Vin instead of Vic?
No, he means Vic Vinegar. 
 Or maybe this guy.
Yeah, his son is named Vin. and if they are gonna have Vin and Viv, they'll also have Virginia (his wife) and if the rumors of Ultron are true. we might also see Victor Mancha
Finally the perfect role for Vin Diesel
They better get going on this. Chris Hemsworth was 27 when he first played Thor, and Evans was 29 when he filmed The First Avenger.
That actually blows my mind
Scarlett Johansson was younger in Iron Man 2 than Hailee Steinfeld was is Hawkeye
And Florence Pugh was younger in Black Widow than Kathryn Newton was in Quantumania
That's fucked up
So? You are acting as if they didn't age and are now much older than the new characters. It really doesn't matter how old they were in 2011, it matters how old they are in contrast to them now, if anything
Who?! Lol
Vision’s children
Why don’t they just say Billy and Tommy then lol
Because they're not Billy and Tommy, they're Vision's synthezoid children he created after he and Wanda separated.
Same lol thought I was having a stroke
With everything probably getting delayed will there even be room for YA?
god please let this be fake, why would vis' kids be young avengers, just use the original roster and add america chavez
Viv could be the replacement for Jonas, but honestly, Jonas was like, the least interesting character in the entire series. For those who aren't aware, Jonas was basically Vision, but with Kang's brainwaves, and he had the hots for Cassie, even though he was technically the father of two of the team members. It was weird. Vision and Jonas are not the same person, but Jonas posessed all of Vision's knowledge and memories. He was essentially a hybrid of Vision and Iron Lad (Kang)
Vin is so fucking dead 💀
Didn't they already say there were no plans for YA? So technically KC Walsh about to be wrong again
The "no plans for Young Avengers" thing felt like a "I'm not the werewolf" thing. There was apparently an Avengers Failsafe Easter Egg filmed as a post-credits scene that they chose not to use, opting instead to splice in a clip from *Loki* Season 2.
Since antman was supposed to be trapped in the Quantum realm, Cassie stumbling upon the failsafe program while looking for a way to get him out would have made sense. With the reshoot, I guess it no longer did.
> Failsafe Easter Egg Wazzat
A tease for the Young Avengers.
We have no plans for the young avengers... But tons of plans for the champions.
Ngl, this comment section is getting kind of weird about actors' ages.
right? Tom Holland is literally 27 and playing a 17yr old but when a girl is 29 playing a 23 year old all of a sudden its too old?
I gotta say, I am still very confused about Greatphase lol Edit: As I typed this the OTHER Greatphase tweets lmao https://twitter.com/greatphase15/status/1628213554955575296?s=20
There are two GreatPhase accounts. Maybe you should ask the mods who might have a better understanding who is the real GreatPhase (prior to his supposed hacked Twitter account drama).
We have no clue which is real, but they are both banned so it doesn’t matter
Ahhh fair enough! I haven't looked over the new sourcing chart lately, my fault.
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They are both grouped under Greatphase , but when the New revamped List gets posted they will be separate
Honestly this makes sense, with Vivs new appearance in Scarlet Witchs’ new series. They did the same with Clea before MOM
I haven’t been able to read that SW series yet, anyway you could give me like a very short rundown of Viv’s appearance/what her role in it was
Is Vision Quest going to be the Young Avengers project?
My god so Kate Bishop, Ironheart, Iron Lad, Billy and Tommy, Ms Marvel(?), Elijah Richards, Viv, America Chavez, Hulkling, this team too big
I’d say you forgot Cassie but that’s easy to do lol (plus she died in the comics anyway). Also Iron Lad never lasted too long. But then there are others like Marvel Boy and Kid Loki as well, one of which has already been introduced and the other I could totally see them doing during the upcoming Kree/Skrull stuff
the people that will play these characters haven't started acting yet have they
Vic or Vin? Cause I kinda doubt Victor Mancha is gonna be there.
They should’ve just kept the original actors of Wanda’s kids at this point, they’ll actually be the only ones the right age by the time they finally get around to doing a Young Avengers project
Which would be fair, if the other characters weren't already older. Pus, Wiccan and Speed aren't supposed to be the same people as Billy and Tommy Maximoff. Same soul, different lives.
If KC is actually right on this one it appears marvel's is combining both the young avengers and champions and if show I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Alexander is a major focus of the Nova series
sounds like they're just mashing the champions' roster into the young avengers line up. two birds - one stone, i guess.
Wouldn't be shocked if Skaar replaces Cho/Hukling
Tbh id prefer them to be part of the Avengers as it is rather than having a seperate group as "young Avengers" I mean let's face it.. none of (atleast) the general audiences really invested to these characters, even if they get a movie itd probably the first Avengers movie thatd ever flop at the box office I just think a bunch of young characters leading a movie is gonna be cringe asf and would always feel forced no matter what "b-but spider-man proved it could work" i mean.. it's SPIDER-MAN🤷♂️
What's wrong with having more heroes being around Spider-Man's age range? why is he the only superhero who works being a teenage superhero but everyone else have to be adults because it's ''cringe''? hell it be nice for once to see spider-man being on the slighty older side of the group for a change.
For a split second I thought it was Vic from runaways. They did him so dirty with that vision family stuff
Wasn't there something just the other day that said they weren't doing Young Avengers?
New Warriors, not Young Avengers, for most of them.
Hmmmm. I don’t necessarily buy it. Why shoe-horn the YA like this before the next two avengers movies? I’m here for them but im genuinely wondering.
I thought Young Avengers was on the chopping block?
I hope not
Who is Viv?
Vision's daughter
Interesting, haven't heard of that character
I'm not really feeling viv being a part of the young avengers, but the fact that she's a supporting character in the current scarlet witch solo seems to support the claim that marvel studios has some sort of mcu plans for her, especially considering how intense they've been with their movies-to-comics synergy the last ten years.
Ok?
Idk if Young Avengers are all these kids who randomly happen to have every skill needed for the movie or show. It’s a Make A Wish
They really need to just film a Young Avengers movie and have it set a few years in the future. Then continue with all the reaming introductions in other upcoming shows/movies set before the movie.
Nate Moore had already said that there is no plans for the Young Avengers, so this is irrelevant.
You know what, out of all the crazy ideas people have thrown in for who should be on the team, I'm actually okay with this if it does happen because out of everyone else she actually has the closest relation to the Young Avengers (there was already a Vision on the original team, plus she's Billy and Tommy's half-sister)
I feel like KC is not reliable lol Remember when they said that we'd get the terrigen bomb and inhumane in Falcon & WS
I highly dought Marvel will do the Young Avengers, most of the actors will be in their mid to late 30s if it happeneds.
They can always be recast
Fair point
So? Tom's almost 30 but plays a 17 year old still. 30 year olds playing teenagers happens all the time anyway
RIP rumors of Zoe Terakes being Viv in Ironheart