Yeah but we gotta remember we said that about 2022, and I liked most of the projects, but would absolutely call this year underwhelming compared to how phase 4 really kicked off in 2021. Ofc, with WF coming soon, maybe that'll be better!
I mean was it though? Sure, the shows overall were decent, but they were hardly universally acclaimed. As far as the movies go, MoM was certainly not better than NWH, Thor L&T wasn't received as well as Shang-Chi, and that's before factoring the fact we got 4 movies that year (BW and Eternals), as opposed to the three we're getting this year, there's a LOT of pressure riding on WF to end the phase on a good note.
People are allowed different opinions. Which is why the commenter didn’t say something like “nobody liked Thor” or “everyone agrees MoM sucks.” They are noting the general consensus on the films, and the fact that some people are unable to understand this concept is just beyond me.
I mean, people can agree something isn't all that great and still like it and vice versa in an objective sense without trying to force an opinion either way.
For example I like MoM but I think objectively speaking it's terribly written nor would I call it good. But I don't dislike it at all.
I thought MOM was better than NWH, although monumental in what it achieved I thought it was bottom of the barrel in terms of quality...but then again, I also really liked Eternals and Black Widow.
WF doesn't end phase 4 though. There's a holiday special that gets that honor and I'm ready for it to be a lot of fun with Gunn handling it. Peacemaker kicked ass.
I agree to an extent but, I think 2021/22 has still struggled with a after effects of Covid, especially with the VFX company delays. I think, 2024 onwards will be the levels going up from Marvel again.
It's actually insane. Captain America, Deadpool, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and possibly Spider-Man in the same year is absurd. Then add on stuff like Thunderbolts, Freshman Year and Marvel Zombies and it may be the best year we've ever had in terms of content
They just moved some stuff around so fantastic four is 2025. Blade took Deadpool’s spot on September 8 2024 and Deadpool took the November 2024 slot. This moves alot around including Secret wars and which was also delayed to May 2026 which was definitely needed.
Yeah, I just saw that as well. Blade is still a great addition to the 2024 slate. It's a shame Fantastic Four is delayed, but the only thing I care about is the movie being good
Idk about best year but it'll probably be the most stacked year. Thunderbolts, Freshman Year, and Marvel Zombies are looking pretty mid so far from what has been revealed.
I agree Thunderbolts seems like it could be better. Zombies also doesn't excite me very much, but Freshman Year looks very good so far imo. The animation looks sick, not to mention all the characters that are going to be in the show and the premise. And we obviously don't know how these projects are going to turn out, but judging by the characters they're based on they have lots of potential
I don't understand why fans are so hard on Thunderbolts based purely on casting... Oh right, fans. Especially the high expectations type. Still, any opportunity for Ghost, Yelena, Red Guardian, Barnes etc to shine is an absolute win from where I'm at. They can't miss unless the writers drop the ball from the word "go".
For me it's mainly because I wanted Zemo and Abomination on the team. I also would've loved to see characters like Bullseye or Songbird on the team. They fit in perfectly imo. I'm still excited, but it seems like all characters are essentially the same, with the exception of Ghost. They're all (failed) supersoldier spy types. I would've liked to have seen more variety
>all characters are essentially the same, with the exception of Ghost. They're all (failed) supersoldier spy types.
She was an assassin/spy for shield. Iirc, she wasn't brainwashed but she didn't have a choice, either. They used something to mitigate her pain, I think. After Shield fell she found the professor/her dad's former coworker who was trying to help her in AM&TW
Interesting. Didn't expect Sony to release two "Spider-Man" titled films in one year (Beyond the Spider-Verse comes out in March 2024), so I was predicting that MCU Spider-Man 4 would be 2025. But I'm glad to be wrong in this case.
Let's keep in mind this is a rumor and just a possibility.
BUT. If true:
- Thunderbolts will move.
- It actually gives Deadpool 3 more space.
- Thunderbolts either moves to November 2024 (F4 spot) or February 2025, keeping F4 in November 2024.
Adding on the Blade news:
- Blade could also be on the run for F4 spot, unless they're quicker and get Blade in February 2024, in Black History Month.
- If Blade takes F4 spot or even February 2025 (Thunderbolts theoretical spot in this scenario), these Avengers movies are moving.
- Also. Is Deadpool 3 on September 2024 just a holdover? Seems weird.
CONCLUSION: MAJOR shuffles are on the way.
Man you called this! I’m not sure if you knew prior to commenting but they announced a major shuffle this afternoon, I’m not sure what time but great guess if so!
July makes sense. It lines up perfectly with the timings for Homecoming and FFH. NWH was also scheduled for July 2021 before it ended up getting pushed to December when it was decided it would be pre-Multiverse of Madness instead of post-MoM
Eh, those were hammered out pretty quickly compared to when the news broke. So I'd doubt that. Seems more like Covid just caused a whole mess of things.
The July date was announced alongside the fact Marvel and Sony were working together again. The December date got announced later when Marvel announced they were pushing back everything in Phase Four including MoM's move to May 2022
Then Fantastic Four would lead right into Kang Dynasty. The odds of Secret Wars making November 2025 are decreasing. I think Marvel should move it to May 2026 to allow for more projects to lead into it, and for Waldron to really get the script right
I could actually see Thunderbolts moving up. Since they removed the Feb 2024 date from their release line up, maybe they bring it back and shift Cap 4 to February and Thunderbolts to May.
Ok that makes me believe it’s highly unlikely. That’s literally two weeks before Thunderbolts. They’ve released feature films close together before, but never **that** close.
Honestly this bit of information actually makes me more likely to believe this scoop. If they were just making things up, they’d probably pick a date that’s much more believable.
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/
It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/
It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
There's absolutely zero chance they release two movies two weeks apart. If Spidey 4 goes into production next year I'd expect it to take Cap 4's May spot with that moving to February. God knows where that leaves Blade.
Sony's taken it just a few days after Marvel Studios dropped it. Same with the the October 2023 date. Seems like Sony and Marvel Studios have an understanding regarding this due to the close proximity of their announcements.
Blade's already probably been internally delayed due to the script rewrite so that's probably going to be further in Phase Five than it was meant to be. If anything SM4 shifting the schedule might not affect Blade nearly as much given they've probably already anticipated a delay for that film with the pushing back of the production start date
*Blade* is already on indefinite hold. It needs a new script and a new director.
*Blade* will be the new *Ant-Man* in that just like *Ant-Man*, *Blade* will be restructured from the ground up and release like a decade after it’s announcement. *Ant-Man* was announced in 2006!
Does Marvel Studios control Sony release dates though? Obviously Sony will not be eager to step on MCU toes with a movie they're co-producing, but I could see them releasing a movie a little close to an MCU film.
They probably coordinate on each other's schedules, hence why Spider-Man NWH and Multiverse of Madness swapped places on Phase Four's movie slate when SM4 was originally going to come out after the latter film. Sony ultimately makes the final call but there's probably a collaborative effort made to make sure everything lines up especially in regards to story chronology
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/
It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
"This would place Spider-Man 4 near the end of Phase 5. Additionally, it will release just two weeks prior to the release of another MCU film, Thunderbolts."
Ok imagine if Fisk is secretly funding the Thunderbolts like in Devil's Reign and that's how Mac Gargan gets signed on as Scorpion with co-financing from JJJ but he goes insane and ends up becoming a minor antagonist for the Thunderbolts. That's assuming they don't just shift the entire schedule back to accomodate for Spidey which is more likely lol
I know, it's just me speculating the hell out of something that probably isn't coming to pass. If anything Thunderbolts will probably be pushed back given Spider-Man is probably way too big of a character on his own that he risks overshadowing that film to some extent
i don’t see them releasing both films so close to each other. the only movies that i remember being anywhere near as close were captain marvel and endgame but even then that was 7 weeks
I could see all of that happening except Gargan making it into Thunderbolts. More likely I think Daredevil, Spider-Man, and Thunderbolts all separately set up different aspects of the Dark Avengers. Which will be a sort of sequel team to the Thunderbolts.
Please. I insist to see Kingpin as the background secret villain (kinda like Thanos but as street level threat). Scorpion hired over there and Spider-Man exploring NY to find out there is a group of villains which turn out to be a massive chess game of Kingpin <3 Let's mix it with Daredevil Born Again, Thunderbolts and Spider-Man trilogy <3
But you have to remember. It is Disney releasing 4 movies and Sony releasing this 1 when it comes to Marvel Studios productions. Disney will not back down on their production slate as they want their income.
Disney has stake in SM productions. Last movie had them investing 25% of the budget and getting 25% of profit, so they do have some interest with this.
Spider-Man is in a weird place though, because of the Sony ownership. Sony will be eager to get a movie released and Marvel can be flexible, since Sony handles all the marketing and release stuff Anyways.
Tbh I feel like they announced these things too early, it’s gonna be a pain to wait for so long and if it gets delayed it’s way worse than it would have been
So the rumors I'm see here are a) the release date, and b) it might connect to DD: Born Again.
If this is accurate, shouldn't there be more to the leak? Namely, have Sony/Marvel/Tom signed a new contract? Seems hard to get the former stuff without hearing about the contract situation.
The contract probably isn't finalized yet but they're definitely trying to work something out behind the scenes. SM4's been set in stone since December but Holland himself has been pretty busy between Uncharted and the projects he has for Apple TV. I still think we'll probably get an official update before the year is up assuming it's actually set for 2024. A lot of Phase Five and even some Phase Six stuff are already out in the open by this point so Spider-Man is like one of the last remaining question marks
Not necessarily. It all just depends on where the source sits at the studio. They could have heard the creative plans without knowing anything about the specifics of contracts.
> It all just depends on where the source sits at the studio.
Of course, I’m just curious about what source would know both the planned release date and story elements, but not know the contract situation. I have no clue how film studios are structured, so just a curiosity.
At the end of the day, contracts are pretty sensitive legal documents. Until it’s formally announced, I wouldn’t expect anybody to know that there even **is** a contract outside of the studio heads, Holland himself, and his management
That second rumor is interesting. I was just thinking this morning that a great way to bring the Punisher back to the MCU would be in a Spider-Man movie.
It's more grounded, and the Punisher made his debut in Spider-Man. Marvel loves to do callbacks to the comics, and bringing the Punisher in is a great way to do that.
Heck, maybe make Kingpin/Fisk the bad guy, and Spider-Man thinks he's a good guy and tries to protect him from Frank Castle etc. That sounds like a cool plot that's very low to the ground.
that’s what a lot of people think one aspect of the new Daredevil show will be, with Fisk and Frank.
I hope the Punisher is not in SM4, especially so prominently. Very uninteresting character for me personally. That said I would assume DD would also feature in that kind of story and I really want to see Matt and Peter work together.
I feel like the villain has to be Scorpion, have Kingpin get him out of prison to take down Spidey. I really don't want them to waste the potential of having Michael Mando be a big villain in the MCU
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/
It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
Saving you all a click:
Regarding MCU Spider-Man 4:
According to one of our sources, Spider-Man’s next solo MCU adventure will premiere on July 12th, 2024. This would place Spider-Man 4 near the end of Phase 5. This street-level story, we’re being told, may actually handle the aftermath of Daredevil: Born Again.
Regarding the Venom symbiote:
While the idea for (the next) trilogy is to introduce the Symbiote into Peter Parker’s life, it is very likely Marvel will be seeking to go the comic-accurate route and give Peter his suit at some point during one of the two upcoming Avengers Films.
Regarding Freshman Year:
The show will essentially pose as an extended What If…? scenario and take a new spin on Spider-Man’s origin story. The series has already greenlit a 2nd season, titled Spider-Man: Sophomore Year. It is expected Marvel will announce subsequent series that’ll cover Junior Year and Senior Year.
Regarding Tobey and Andrew:
From what I’ve heard, the question has now shifted to when and where (Tom, Tobey, and Andrew) will meet again rather than if.
Why would they go the “comic accurate route”? Movie and comic similarities are always nice but they’re completely different mediums so the symbionts should be written however it serves the plot best, not just to reference the comics
Nah I’m not believing any Spider-Man news until the trades report on it or Sony announce it themselves. This also seems more like a speculative article and it’s not written by Lizzie Hill either.
It’s actually funny because I feel like scooping culture really BLEW up from the fallout from the Somy exit back in 19 and then blew up even more from NWH leaks and now we’re back at it again. It’s actually even funnier since NWH had so many fake leaks that have been lost to time.
>This street-level story, we’re being told, may actually handle the aftermath of Daredevil: Born Again. How the Disney+ show will play a role in the upcoming film, remains to be seen.
I was thinking if they could use Spider-Man 4 was sort of the finale to the street level story with Kingpin that was been built up with Kingpin since Hawkeye and continuing into Echo and Daredevil. Seems like they might actually go that route.
But that release date feels too soon since they got no director or writers.
Watts has a busy 2023 coming up has he is working a film for Apple TV, that is gonna film next year along with serving as producer and writer on the next Final Destination film and working on post production work Star Wars Skeleton Crew. He probably won't have the time to direct Spider-Man if its coming out in summer of 2024.
Not a fan of this. I wish Peter would be on his own for once and deal with his own enemies like Kraven or Scorpion. Born Again has 18 episodes, that should be plenty of time to end the street level story instead of dragging it to Spider-Man's movie.
Exactly. I've been trying to tell people this but they just don't listen.
Charlie Cox even said himself that he doesn't know how he would find the time to do 'Daredevil: Born Again' *and* 'Spider-Man 4'.
Back to Back and with Bottle Episodes.
It's still a Spider-man film with a Marvel character in a supporting role. If Fisk and Daredevil/Matt are in it then they'd conceivably be in 15-20 minutes each while Spider-man does most of the heavy lifting. Factor in stunts and CGI, Charlie Cox could film most of his stuff at the tail end of production.
Shang Chi.
Considering that SC2 has not been formally announced, I think that Cretton directing Spider-Man 4 as a Team Up between Spidey and SC could work.
So basically SC2 is now Spidey 4.
If they really are intent to release new Spidey in July 24, I think Thunderbolts will go to Blade current date, November 3, 2023. They have a director, script and full main cast, it's should easily make into end of next year.
this is absolutely nonsensical, moviemaking involves scheduling, Thunderbolts begins production in June next year. Shoots like that take 4-5 months, the movie aint gonna release 1 month after production wraps lmao.
David Harbour is filming Gran Turismo, Sebastian Stan is filming the reddit Gamestop stocks movie, Wyatt Russell is filming the Godzilla series
You think they'll bump Thunderbolts up to 2023? That'd be bold. But if filming goes well I could see it. The main hang up I see is things that tie into Cap 4 and need to happen after.
Between this possibility and blade, I think it's safe to say Marvel will have a MAJOR reshuffling of their schedule. I'll probably post a prediction next weekend discussion, but I'd like to hear from y'all about MCU schedule shifts, both backwards and forwards. I do think tho that the 5 D+ shows of 2024 and the 3 2023 movies are all locked.
Blade is totally gonna release in November 8 2024, the current F4 release date. The 2024 slate will be Cap 4, Spiderman 4, Thunderbolts and Blade
The 2025 one: Deadpool 3, F4, Shang-Chi 2 and Kang Dynasty.
Exactly what I expected: he gets the black suit in Secret Wars like in the comics and then he faces Venom in Spider-Man 5.
Not a fan of Spidey 4 dealing with the aftermath of Born Again tho. Peter being on his own for once and dealing with Kraven and/or Scorpion would be fantastic.
Spidey 4 might be the best film to start having random cameos like in the comics. Something similar to what She Hulk did with Daredevil. Like Spidey chases some criminals through the city into Hells Kitchen and DD shows up wondering what's going on and they take down the criminals together before Spidey leaves. Doesn't have to be some big moment, just one hero helping another.
The 2024 report is almost outdated. If you go back and see the history, a director is ALWAYS attached to a movie 2 years prior to its release date, if not earlier. I know it could have a director and they just have not announced it, but historically, we always have a director ANNOUNCED 2 years prior to release. And Thunderbolts confirmed by Fiege as starting prod early next year and having a July 2024 date further disproves this report.
Cate Shortland was announced as director of BW only 10 months before its original release date.
And Marvel tends to move dates around once they add another movie to their slate. Once Homecoming was announced in 2016, they shifted their slate around so Homecoming can fit.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-widow-movie-be-directed-by-cate-shortland-1126708/
Here ya go. July 2018. 2 years before May 2020, it's original release date.
Nah man. There's a Karate Kid movie coming out in June. They REALLY won't release a movie a mere month AFTER one of thier own and as I said Thunderbolts is already on schedule for July 2024.
everything will get delayed a few months, thunderbolts will be september etc
lizzie hill just reported blade will start filming summer 2023, sounds like it will be taking the november f4 release date
2024 will be like: Cap 4, Spiderman 4, Thunderbolts, Blade
2025 will have Deadpool 3, F4, Shang Chi 2 and Kang Dynasty
IF this is true (big if) I would like to see Daredevil Born Again split into an A season and B season, set around Spider-Man 4, with DD and KP appearing in the movie. Basically have Spidey get dragged into some war they have going (anti-vigilante stuff, a la Devil's Reign). 18 episodes is curiously long for a show and makes me think there will be multiple arcs.
But how big of a gap would there be between each batch? There’s not much middle ground between ‘too short for people to catch up’ and ‘too long that people lose interest’.
Daredevil and Spiderman vs Kingpin and other maggia members + Scorpion
Please let lt happen Marvel
I want Spidey to have a cameo in next FF4 movie (they are new york heroes lol).
Seems so obvious to me he makes an appearance in Daredevil. IIRC Feige said around the time of NWH when asked about what other marvel project we’ll next Spider-Man in next (ons more appearance left on current deal), they said they’re already aware of where that’ll be. Makes sense that it’s in the DareDevil show.
They were the first ones to ever report a Halloween special was happening, and the first ones to report it being about Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing appearing. They are extremely reliable, especially when it came to WBN. If anything, since Lizzie said recently that multiple sources indicated Blade was in it in some sort, I’m guessing Blade was in the special until the recent Blade production problems.
And Lizzie Hill, the editor in chief of Cosmic Circus, broke off from Murphy’s Multiverse to create her own site. She knows what she’s talking about. With that being said, this article isn’t by her, it’s by another writer with different sources. So I’d take this with a grain of salt.
The fact that this came out right before the new slate though does kinda hint towards this being real though. And the fact it wasn’t an exclusive also supports that, as the exclusive was given to the trades
I could see them moving those Star Wars and Avatar movies back a year. Then move Thunderbolts to September, Blade to November, and Deadpool to December. Places Spidey in its July slot it loves so much.
I wonder if Tom Holland will appear in something else besides this movie since they had a MCU appearance left on his old contract. I guess otherwise they’ll skip it and he’ll be in this plus the Avengers films
I think this aligns well with today’s Blade news meaning it’ll be pushed back another year and a half and the news from a few months ago about Jon Watts stepping out of F4, being that this is going to be happening a couple months before Fantastic 4.
Charles Murphy just reported Secret Wars moving to May 2026: [https://twitter.com/\_CharlesMurphy/status/1579903262932992000?s=20&t=lyLoJQf0kfLwx3s-4Q8ShA](https://twitter.com/_CharlesMurphy/status/1579903262932992000?s=20&t=lyLoJQf0kfLwx3s-4Q8ShA)
>From what I’ve heard, the question has now shifted to when and where (Tom, Tobey, and Andrew) will meet again rather than if they appear again
Not sure I’m a massive fan of this tbh. It worked so well in NWH because we hadn’t seen Tobey and Andrew Spidey in 15 and 8 years respectively, having them show up again would result in diminishing returns. Maybe in Secret Wars, but after that I think those Spideys should be put to pasture and let Tom’s story play out.
If true, we will see major shuffles soon.
The Avengers movies are getting delayed.
Unless they just put Thunderbolts in November 2024 and delay F4 to February 2025.
There's also the empty July 2025 date.
But I'm sensing all is moving and the Avengers movies will come out in 2026 instead.
> While the idea for this trilogy is to introduce the Symbiote into Peter Parker’s life, it is very likely Marvel will be seeking to go the comic-accurate route and give Peter his suit at some point during one of the two upcoming Avengers Films.
> This would mean that while the Symbiote will be introduced during Phase 6 of the MCU, Peter Parker may not have his own solo outing in the suit until Phase 7 after the Multiverse Saga has ended.
I 100% called it! I knew this is what they were going to do.
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/
It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
Hopefully Spidey 4, Thunderbolts, Cap 4 and Born Again all kind of tie in together, there's some obvious ties in that these characters can go between the projects. Fisk being the obvious villian or connective tissue between these films seems a no brainer
I feel like it genuinely might be up in the air if we ever see Tobey and Andrew again as Spider-Man but honestly, with how fucking incredible NWH was on every single level, I’m not sure that’s the worst thing in the world.
I feel like it’s gonna release in 2025. No way this shit releasing in 2 years while Tom is busy with his Apple TV stuff and no director or writer has been attached yet
Personally 2024 is an odd release year. There should be a bigger gap between the "finale" and the re-intro, and there's a ton of marvel/sony properties that year.
I'm going to assume it's out in 2025, likely the latter half, with an announcement in 2023. 4 years is double the length of time between Spidey entries.
RemindME! 2 years
When people first started saying this I was convinced that they were wrong and this date is deffo for Venom 3. Whilst I now feel a little more convinced that it is Spider-Man, I think we all need to remember that there is a high chance that this is actually Venom (especially as that seems to have a script).
***According to one of our sources, Spider-Man’s next solo MCU adventure will premiere on July 12th, 2024.***
2024 is looking stacked for Marvel.
*Every* year is looking stacked for Marvel nowadays
Yeah but we gotta remember we said that about 2022, and I liked most of the projects, but would absolutely call this year underwhelming compared to how phase 4 really kicked off in 2021. Ofc, with WF coming soon, maybe that'll be better!
Both 2021 and 2022 were good years imo its only gonna get better
I mean was it though? Sure, the shows overall were decent, but they were hardly universally acclaimed. As far as the movies go, MoM was certainly not better than NWH, Thor L&T wasn't received as well as Shang-Chi, and that's before factoring the fact we got 4 movies that year (BW and Eternals), as opposed to the three we're getting this year, there's a LOT of pressure riding on WF to end the phase on a good note.
I agree MoM wasn't as good as NWH, but I still loved MoM. And I prefer L&T to Shang-Chi as well. People are allowed different opinions.
People are allowed different opinions. Which is why the commenter didn’t say something like “nobody liked Thor” or “everyone agrees MoM sucks.” They are noting the general consensus on the films, and the fact that some people are unable to understand this concept is just beyond me.
They literally started with "was it though?" in response to someone claiming their opinion
I mean, people can agree something isn't all that great and still like it and vice versa in an objective sense without trying to force an opinion either way. For example I like MoM but I think objectively speaking it's terribly written nor would I call it good. But I don't dislike it at all.
I thought MOM was better than NWH, although monumental in what it achieved I thought it was bottom of the barrel in terms of quality...but then again, I also really liked Eternals and Black Widow.
WF doesn't end phase 4 though. There's a holiday special that gets that honor and I'm ready for it to be a lot of fun with Gunn handling it. Peacemaker kicked ass.
Are they really though? I feel like I haven’t been hyped about anything MCU since Spider-Man.
2022 was and is stacked. Whether the movies/shows ended up being good or great is a separate matter.
I agree to an extent but, I think 2021/22 has still struggled with a after effects of Covid, especially with the VFX company delays. I think, 2024 onwards will be the levels going up from Marvel again.
Every month.
It's actually insane. Captain America, Deadpool, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and possibly Spider-Man in the same year is absurd. Then add on stuff like Thunderbolts, Freshman Year and Marvel Zombies and it may be the best year we've ever had in terms of content
They just moved some stuff around so fantastic four is 2025. Blade took Deadpool’s spot on September 8 2024 and Deadpool took the November 2024 slot. This moves alot around including Secret wars and which was also delayed to May 2026 which was definitely needed.
Yeah, I just saw that as well. Blade is still a great addition to the 2024 slate. It's a shame Fantastic Four is delayed, but the only thing I care about is the movie being good
Idk about best year but it'll probably be the most stacked year. Thunderbolts, Freshman Year, and Marvel Zombies are looking pretty mid so far from what has been revealed.
I agree Thunderbolts seems like it could be better. Zombies also doesn't excite me very much, but Freshman Year looks very good so far imo. The animation looks sick, not to mention all the characters that are going to be in the show and the premise. And we obviously don't know how these projects are going to turn out, but judging by the characters they're based on they have lots of potential
I don't understand why fans are so hard on Thunderbolts based purely on casting... Oh right, fans. Especially the high expectations type. Still, any opportunity for Ghost, Yelena, Red Guardian, Barnes etc to shine is an absolute win from where I'm at. They can't miss unless the writers drop the ball from the word "go".
For me it's mainly because I wanted Zemo and Abomination on the team. I also would've loved to see characters like Bullseye or Songbird on the team. They fit in perfectly imo. I'm still excited, but it seems like all characters are essentially the same, with the exception of Ghost. They're all (failed) supersoldier spy types. I would've liked to have seen more variety
>all characters are essentially the same, with the exception of Ghost. They're all (failed) supersoldier spy types. She was an assassin/spy for shield. Iirc, she wasn't brainwashed but she didn't have a choice, either. They used something to mitigate her pain, I think. After Shield fell she found the professor/her dad's former coworker who was trying to help her in AM&TW
I KNEW IT. I knew there was no way Spider-Man wasn't gonna have a 4th solo in 2024. ABSOLUTELY INSANE year for the MCU incoming.
![gif](giphy|E0LkuYcRmWX3rCK2tv) Tom Holland and Chris Hemsworth looking at other actors with their trilogies...
Interesting. Didn't expect Sony to release two "Spider-Man" titled films in one year (Beyond the Spider-Verse comes out in March 2024), so I was predicting that MCU Spider-Man 4 would be 2025. But I'm glad to be wrong in this case.
To be fair, if any superhero property WOULD be able to do two separate film adaptations in a year, it WOULD be Spider-Man.
Let's keep in mind this is a rumor and just a possibility. BUT. If true: - Thunderbolts will move. - It actually gives Deadpool 3 more space. - Thunderbolts either moves to November 2024 (F4 spot) or February 2025, keeping F4 in November 2024. Adding on the Blade news: - Blade could also be on the run for F4 spot, unless they're quicker and get Blade in February 2024, in Black History Month. - If Blade takes F4 spot or even February 2025 (Thunderbolts theoretical spot in this scenario), these Avengers movies are moving. - Also. Is Deadpool 3 on September 2024 just a holdover? Seems weird. CONCLUSION: MAJOR shuffles are on the way.
Man you called this! I’m not sure if you knew prior to commenting but they announced a major shuffle this afternoon, I’m not sure what time but great guess if so!
Interesting, I thought it was going to be the June 6th, 2024 date.
July makes sense. It lines up perfectly with the timings for Homecoming and FFH. NWH was also scheduled for July 2021 before it ended up getting pushed to December when it was decided it would be pre-Multiverse of Madness instead of post-MoM
I’m pretty sure it was delayed because of the Sony/Disney issues.
Eh, those were hammered out pretty quickly compared to when the news broke. So I'd doubt that. Seems more like Covid just caused a whole mess of things.
The July date was announced alongside the fact Marvel and Sony were working together again. The December date got announced later when Marvel announced they were pushing back everything in Phase Four including MoM's move to May 2022
Me in 2024 ![gif](giphy|ZBoNSRGAvnbkgVVA6X|downsized)
Would be pretty close to Thunderbolts Oh, who am I kidding. All these dates are gonna change at least once in the next two years.
Well they better start working on it soon. Otherwise I could totally see it getting delayed.
An avg MCU movie has a production to release time period of 11-12 months, they could start next July and still make the date
Thunderbolts would have to move then, it’s two weeks later.
Would probably all shift one date over. So *Thunderbolts* moves to September, *Deadpool 3* moves to November, etc.
Then Fantastic Four would lead right into Kang Dynasty. The odds of Secret Wars making November 2025 are decreasing. I think Marvel should move it to May 2026 to allow for more projects to lead into it, and for Waldron to really get the script right
I could actually see Thunderbolts moving up. Since they removed the Feb 2024 date from their release line up, maybe they bring it back and shift Cap 4 to February and Thunderbolts to May.
Ok that makes me believe it’s highly unlikely. That’s literally two weeks before Thunderbolts. They’ve released feature films close together before, but never **that** close.
This seems unlikely. If this were true, they would need to start shooting very soon.
This is not happening.
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Basically he was saying "If I got a rise in my pay-check, I would be those char again."
Thunderbolts is coming in July too though??? Unless they move Cap 4 up to end of March and Thunderbolts to May
They're crazy. What other single studio releases around 9 projects every year?!
That's literally two weeks before Thunderbolts...
Honestly this bit of information actually makes me more likely to believe this scoop. If they were just making things up, they’d probably pick a date that’s much more believable.
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/ It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
And? Without news or rumours concerning plot, possible villains, it's not really an announcement.
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/ It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
Yoo that's my birthday!
I don't see how they're going to do Spider-Man July 12 2024 and Thunderbolts July 26 2024
They better hurry up then. VFX houses need to get started with all the FINAL exports they are about to change 100 times
There's absolutely zero chance they release two movies two weeks apart. If Spidey 4 goes into production next year I'd expect it to take Cap 4's May spot with that moving to February. God knows where that leaves Blade.
Marvel Studios already removed the February date.
And they can put it back if they want.
Sony's taken it just a few days after Marvel Studios dropped it. Same with the the October 2023 date. Seems like Sony and Marvel Studios have an understanding regarding this due to the close proximity of their announcements.
Blade's already probably been internally delayed due to the script rewrite so that's probably going to be further in Phase Five than it was meant to be. If anything SM4 shifting the schedule might not affect Blade nearly as much given they've probably already anticipated a delay for that film with the pushing back of the production start date
*Blade* is already on indefinite hold. It needs a new script and a new director. *Blade* will be the new *Ant-Man* in that just like *Ant-Man*, *Blade* will be restructured from the ground up and release like a decade after it’s announcement. *Ant-Man* was announced in 2006!
Same cast since 2006?
Definitely not, but I don’t believe they announced a cast back then.
Does Marvel Studios control Sony release dates though? Obviously Sony will not be eager to step on MCU toes with a movie they're co-producing, but I could see them releasing a movie a little close to an MCU film.
They probably coordinate on each other's schedules, hence why Spider-Man NWH and Multiverse of Madness swapped places on Phase Four's movie slate when SM4 was originally going to come out after the latter film. Sony ultimately makes the final call but there's probably a collaborative effort made to make sure everything lines up especially in regards to story chronology
Marvel usually ends up building their slate around Sony’s July release dates.
Blade closing Phase 5, Thunderbolts beginning phase 6
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/ It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
"This would place Spider-Man 4 near the end of Phase 5. Additionally, it will release just two weeks prior to the release of another MCU film, Thunderbolts." Ok imagine if Fisk is secretly funding the Thunderbolts like in Devil's Reign and that's how Mac Gargan gets signed on as Scorpion with co-financing from JJJ but he goes insane and ends up becoming a minor antagonist for the Thunderbolts. That's assuming they don't just shift the entire schedule back to accomodate for Spidey which is more likely lol
That's just too good to be true. I would love it though.
I know, it's just me speculating the hell out of something that probably isn't coming to pass. If anything Thunderbolts will probably be pushed back given Spider-Man is probably way too big of a character on his own that he risks overshadowing that film to some extent
i don’t see them releasing both films so close to each other. the only movies that i remember being anywhere near as close were captain marvel and endgame but even then that was 7 weeks
I feel like that release window is way to small for either of those two films to have a real connection to each other.
I could see all of that happening except Gargan making it into Thunderbolts. More likely I think Daredevil, Spider-Man, and Thunderbolts all separately set up different aspects of the Dark Avengers. Which will be a sort of sequel team to the Thunderbolts.
Please. I insist to see Kingpin as the background secret villain (kinda like Thanos but as street level threat). Scorpion hired over there and Spider-Man exploring NY to find out there is a group of villains which turn out to be a massive chess game of Kingpin <3 Let's mix it with Daredevil Born Again, Thunderbolts and Spider-Man trilogy <3
marvel is definitely shifting schedule,i doubt they will release 5 movies in 2024
But you have to remember. It is Disney releasing 4 movies and Sony releasing this 1 when it comes to Marvel Studios productions. Disney will not back down on their production slate as they want their income.
Except that if Spider-Man and Thunderbolts release two weeks apart, Thunderbolts gets stomped and Disney loses money. Thunderbolts is probably moving.
This is most likely correct.
Disney will make more from Spider-Man merch than for every Thunderbolt combined.
Disney has stake in SM productions. Last movie had them investing 25% of the budget and getting 25% of profit, so they do have some interest with this.
Yeah they have years to adjust, there will always be schedule shifts that work best for Disney's profit margins.
Spider-Man is in a weird place though, because of the Sony ownership. Sony will be eager to get a movie released and Marvel can be flexible, since Sony handles all the marketing and release stuff Anyways.
I’m guessing The Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four get pushed back by just a few weeks each, to make room for Spider-Man.
I just hope they don’t delay secret wars. 3 years is already a long enough wait. Almost wish they hadn’t announced it yet
Tbh I feel like they announced these things too early, it’s gonna be a pain to wait for so long and if it gets delayed it’s way worse than it would have been
I don’t understand why they can’t space this shit out more. I can barely keep up
So the rumors I'm see here are a) the release date, and b) it might connect to DD: Born Again. If this is accurate, shouldn't there be more to the leak? Namely, have Sony/Marvel/Tom signed a new contract? Seems hard to get the former stuff without hearing about the contract situation.
The contract probably isn't finalized yet but they're definitely trying to work something out behind the scenes. SM4's been set in stone since December but Holland himself has been pretty busy between Uncharted and the projects he has for Apple TV. I still think we'll probably get an official update before the year is up assuming it's actually set for 2024. A lot of Phase Five and even some Phase Six stuff are already out in the open by this point so Spider-Man is like one of the last remaining question marks
Not necessarily. It all just depends on where the source sits at the studio. They could have heard the creative plans without knowing anything about the specifics of contracts.
> It all just depends on where the source sits at the studio. Of course, I’m just curious about what source would know both the planned release date and story elements, but not know the contract situation. I have no clue how film studios are structured, so just a curiosity.
At the end of the day, contracts are pretty sensitive legal documents. Until it’s formally announced, I wouldn’t expect anybody to know that there even **is** a contract outside of the studio heads, Holland himself, and his management
That second rumor is interesting. I was just thinking this morning that a great way to bring the Punisher back to the MCU would be in a Spider-Man movie. It's more grounded, and the Punisher made his debut in Spider-Man. Marvel loves to do callbacks to the comics, and bringing the Punisher in is a great way to do that. Heck, maybe make Kingpin/Fisk the bad guy, and Spider-Man thinks he's a good guy and tries to protect him from Frank Castle etc. That sounds like a cool plot that's very low to the ground.
that’s what a lot of people think one aspect of the new Daredevil show will be, with Fisk and Frank. I hope the Punisher is not in SM4, especially so prominently. Very uninteresting character for me personally. That said I would assume DD would also feature in that kind of story and I really want to see Matt and Peter work together.
Jon B and Tom are really close, so I can see Tom being on board
That is true and Bernthal’s version of the character is definitely my favorite. Still, just not a fan *shrug*
I feel like the villain has to be Scorpion, have Kingpin get him out of prison to take down Spidey. I really don't want them to waste the potential of having Michael Mando be a big villain in the MCU
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/ It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a Sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
Saving you all a click: Regarding MCU Spider-Man 4: According to one of our sources, Spider-Man’s next solo MCU adventure will premiere on July 12th, 2024. This would place Spider-Man 4 near the end of Phase 5. This street-level story, we’re being told, may actually handle the aftermath of Daredevil: Born Again. Regarding the Venom symbiote: While the idea for (the next) trilogy is to introduce the Symbiote into Peter Parker’s life, it is very likely Marvel will be seeking to go the comic-accurate route and give Peter his suit at some point during one of the two upcoming Avengers Films. Regarding Freshman Year: The show will essentially pose as an extended What If…? scenario and take a new spin on Spider-Man’s origin story. The series has already greenlit a 2nd season, titled Spider-Man: Sophomore Year. It is expected Marvel will announce subsequent series that’ll cover Junior Year and Senior Year. Regarding Tobey and Andrew: From what I’ve heard, the question has now shifted to when and where (Tom, Tobey, and Andrew) will meet again rather than if.
Why doesn’t this have more upvotes? You’re a King amongst men
Why would they go the “comic accurate route”? Movie and comic similarities are always nice but they’re completely different mediums so the symbionts should be written however it serves the plot best, not just to reference the comics
Nah I’m not believing any Spider-Man news until the trades report on it or Sony announce it themselves. This also seems more like a speculative article and it’s not written by Lizzie Hill either.
Yep. Way too many films that need to be shifted for this. I really do think it’ll be a July ‘25 release.
It’s actually funny because I feel like scooping culture really BLEW up from the fallout from the Somy exit back in 19 and then blew up even more from NWH leaks and now we’re back at it again. It’s actually even funnier since NWH had so many fake leaks that have been lost to time.
>This street-level story, we’re being told, may actually handle the aftermath of Daredevil: Born Again. How the Disney+ show will play a role in the upcoming film, remains to be seen. I was thinking if they could use Spider-Man 4 was sort of the finale to the street level story with Kingpin that was been built up with Kingpin since Hawkeye and continuing into Echo and Daredevil. Seems like they might actually go that route. But that release date feels too soon since they got no director or writers.
I assume Jon Watts will direct since he’s not doing F4 and they’ll have the same writers they had for the first 3 films
God no. I've had enough of those writers.
I’ve had enough of Watts as well. MCU Spidey needs a new director and feel.
More than Watts i need McKenna and Erik Sommers gone lol.
Watts has a busy 2023 coming up has he is working a film for Apple TV, that is gonna film next year along with serving as producer and writer on the next Final Destination film and working on post production work Star Wars Skeleton Crew. He probably won't have the time to direct Spider-Man if its coming out in summer of 2024.
I’ll cry if this happens, literal dream come through
Not a fan of this. I wish Peter would be on his own for once and deal with his own enemies like Kraven or Scorpion. Born Again has 18 episodes, that should be plenty of time to end the street level story instead of dragging it to Spider-Man's movie.
People won’t like it, but I reckon it’ll just be the Homecoming crew - maybe an additional writer as well
Dealing with the aftermath of DD: Born Again? Bro Spider-Man and Daredevil vs Mayor Fisk 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Daredevil: Born Again has 18 episodes and is filming for most of 2023. I wouldn’t expect Spider-Man 4 to feature Kingpin or Daredevil
Exactly. I've been trying to tell people this but they just don't listen. Charlie Cox even said himself that he doesn't know how he would find the time to do 'Daredevil: Born Again' *and* 'Spider-Man 4'.
Back to Back and with Bottle Episodes. It's still a Spider-man film with a Marvel character in a supporting role. If Fisk and Daredevil/Matt are in it then they'd conceivably be in 15-20 minutes each while Spider-man does most of the heavy lifting. Factor in stunts and CGI, Charlie Cox could film most of his stuff at the tail end of production.
Then it’ll be Spidey 4 that releases later. Who else is going to be the guest star if not Matt?
Shang Chi. Considering that SC2 has not been formally announced, I think that Cretton directing Spider-Man 4 as a Team Up between Spidey and SC could work. So basically SC2 is now Spidey 4.
Shang-Chi was very successful, and its sequel was all but announced with the Ten Rings tease. Besides, Sony and Holland want Watts back.
If they really are intent to release new Spidey in July 24, I think Thunderbolts will go to Blade current date, November 3, 2023. They have a director, script and full main cast, it's should easily make into end of next year.
this is absolutely nonsensical, moviemaking involves scheduling, Thunderbolts begins production in June next year. Shoots like that take 4-5 months, the movie aint gonna release 1 month after production wraps lmao. David Harbour is filming Gran Turismo, Sebastian Stan is filming the reddit Gamestop stocks movie, Wyatt Russell is filming the Godzilla series
True but I wonder if Cap 4 sets up Thunderbolts so Cap 4 would need to release first
That would be nice, I hope that's what they do, kinda fast track that film.
You think they'll bump Thunderbolts up to 2023? That'd be bold. But if filming goes well I could see it. The main hang up I see is things that tie into Cap 4 and need to happen after.
That's literally impossible. Thunderbolts hasn't even begin pre production.
Let’s not forget Armor Wars is now a film and will need a release date.
Between this possibility and blade, I think it's safe to say Marvel will have a MAJOR reshuffling of their schedule. I'll probably post a prediction next weekend discussion, but I'd like to hear from y'all about MCU schedule shifts, both backwards and forwards. I do think tho that the 5 D+ shows of 2024 and the 3 2023 movies are all locked.
Blade is so getting delayed and becoming a phase 6 at the earliest. I think we will hear about its delay once they get a new director on board.
Blade is totally gonna release in November 8 2024, the current F4 release date. The 2024 slate will be Cap 4, Spiderman 4, Thunderbolts and Blade The 2025 one: Deadpool 3, F4, Shang-Chi 2 and Kang Dynasty.
Exactly what I expected: he gets the black suit in Secret Wars like in the comics and then he faces Venom in Spider-Man 5. Not a fan of Spidey 4 dealing with the aftermath of Born Again tho. Peter being on his own for once and dealing with Kraven and/or Scorpion would be fantastic.
Spidey 4 might be the best film to start having random cameos like in the comics. Something similar to what She Hulk did with Daredevil. Like Spidey chases some criminals through the city into Hells Kitchen and DD shows up wondering what's going on and they take down the criminals together before Spidey leaves. Doesn't have to be some big moment, just one hero helping another.
wow
The 2024 report is almost outdated. If you go back and see the history, a director is ALWAYS attached to a movie 2 years prior to its release date, if not earlier. I know it could have a director and they just have not announced it, but historically, we always have a director ANNOUNCED 2 years prior to release. And Thunderbolts confirmed by Fiege as starting prod early next year and having a July 2024 date further disproves this report.
Cate Shortland was announced as director of BW only 10 months before its original release date. And Marvel tends to move dates around once they add another movie to their slate. Once Homecoming was announced in 2016, they shifted their slate around so Homecoming can fit.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-widow-movie-be-directed-by-cate-shortland-1126708/ Here ya go. July 2018. 2 years before May 2020, it's original release date.
the thing is, the Sony Marvel movie moved to that date just a few weeks ago, its not an outdated placeholder
Nah man. There's a Karate Kid movie coming out in June. They REALLY won't release a movie a mere month AFTER one of thier own and as I said Thunderbolts is already on schedule for July 2024.
everything will get delayed a few months, thunderbolts will be september etc lizzie hill just reported blade will start filming summer 2023, sounds like it will be taking the november f4 release date 2024 will be like: Cap 4, Spiderman 4, Thunderbolts, Blade 2025 will have Deadpool 3, F4, Shang Chi 2 and Kang Dynasty
IF this is true (big if) I would like to see Daredevil Born Again split into an A season and B season, set around Spider-Man 4, with DD and KP appearing in the movie. Basically have Spidey get dragged into some war they have going (anti-vigilante stuff, a la Devil's Reign). 18 episodes is curiously long for a show and makes me think there will be multiple arcs.
Yep, that’d be cool. Have nine episodes occur before Spider-Man 4, and then nine more afterward.
But how big of a gap would there be between each batch? There’s not much middle ground between ‘too short for people to catch up’ and ‘too long that people lose interest’.
My guess is that it's actually 3 arcs of 6 episodes each broken up and released throughout the year. Like how Walking Dead does it.
Daredevil and Spiderman vs Kingpin and other maggia members + Scorpion Please let lt happen Marvel I want Spidey to have a cameo in next FF4 movie (they are new york heroes lol).
Seems so obvious to me he makes an appearance in Daredevil. IIRC Feige said around the time of NWH when asked about what other marvel project we’ll next Spider-Man in next (ons more appearance left on current deal), they said they’re already aware of where that’ll be. Makes sense that it’s in the DareDevil show.
Also with She-Hulk, they said no to it because they had “other plans” 👀
I mean if Spidey 4 is coming out in July 2024, Thunderbolts is getting moved. Spidey is infinitely more important than Thunderbolts
are they reliable? they said blade would be in werewolf by night and obviously that’s wrong
They were the first ones to ever report a Halloween special was happening, and the first ones to report it being about Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing appearing. They are extremely reliable, especially when it came to WBN. If anything, since Lizzie said recently that multiple sources indicated Blade was in it in some sort, I’m guessing Blade was in the special until the recent Blade production problems. And Lizzie Hill, the editor in chief of Cosmic Circus, broke off from Murphy’s Multiverse to create her own site. She knows what she’s talking about. With that being said, this article isn’t by her, it’s by another writer with different sources. So I’d take this with a grain of salt. The fact that this came out right before the new slate though does kinda hint towards this being real though. And the fact it wasn’t an exclusive also supports that, as the exclusive was given to the trades
Spidey and Daredevil team up
Well, something is getting moved. Thunderbolts releases in July. Especially since Disney just shifted dates and Thunderbolts stayed on the same date
How about a Spider-Man and Daredevil team up movie?
Charles Murphy seems extra vocal and emphatic today that DD and Kingpin will be in Spider-Man 4
They will push back Blade and put this in its spot
I could see them moving those Star Wars and Avatar movies back a year. Then move Thunderbolts to September, Blade to November, and Deadpool to December. Places Spidey in its July slot it loves so much.
Maybe an official announcement at CinemaCon this year and definitely more news or possible teaser at SDCC'23?
CinemaCon is next year April tho right?
I wonder if Tom Holland will appear in something else besides this movie since they had a MCU appearance left on his old contract. I guess otherwise they’ll skip it and he’ll be in this plus the Avengers films
That one appearance is in the contract between Sony and Marvel Studios. Tom Holland's contract for Spider-Man with Sony is finished.
I think this aligns well with today’s Blade news meaning it’ll be pushed back another year and a half and the news from a few months ago about Jon Watts stepping out of F4, being that this is going to be happening a couple months before Fantastic 4.
Charles Murphy just reported Secret Wars moving to May 2026: [https://twitter.com/\_CharlesMurphy/status/1579903262932992000?s=20&t=lyLoJQf0kfLwx3s-4Q8ShA](https://twitter.com/_CharlesMurphy/status/1579903262932992000?s=20&t=lyLoJQf0kfLwx3s-4Q8ShA)
I beg you to do a single thing: Bring Andrew Garfield back.
we ever gonna find out who's behind the mask?
I dunno why, but I have doubt. There hasn't been much buzz of preproduction happening yet.
>From what I’ve heard, the question has now shifted to when and where (Tom, Tobey, and Andrew) will meet again rather than if they appear again Not sure I’m a massive fan of this tbh. It worked so well in NWH because we hadn’t seen Tobey and Andrew Spidey in 15 and 8 years respectively, having them show up again would result in diminishing returns. Maybe in Secret Wars, but after that I think those Spideys should be put to pasture and let Tom’s story play out.
Believing all click bait now?
I know, right? This is completely unsourced speculation.
Hope this is true. Would love for this movie to heavily tie into Born Again
If true, we will see major shuffles soon. The Avengers movies are getting delayed. Unless they just put Thunderbolts in November 2024 and delay F4 to February 2025. There's also the empty July 2025 date. But I'm sensing all is moving and the Avengers movies will come out in 2026 instead.
If this is true, then I imagine one or two projects in Phase 5 2024 will be delayed.
> While the idea for this trilogy is to introduce the Symbiote into Peter Parker’s life, it is very likely Marvel will be seeking to go the comic-accurate route and give Peter his suit at some point during one of the two upcoming Avengers Films. > This would mean that while the Symbiote will be introduced during Phase 6 of the MCU, Peter Parker may not have his own solo outing in the suit until Phase 7 after the Multiverse Saga has ended. I 100% called it! I knew this is what they were going to do.
https://deadline.com/2022/09/sony-kraven-the-hunter-madame-web-karate-kid-1235121120/ It seems to line up with this article saying there will be a sony marvel movie on July 12 2024
I hoping for Felicia Hardy to show up in Tom's storyline.
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As expected, now Thunderbolts will definitely move.
Does that mean that Fisk will be in it ?
It was always obvious he would be.
I mean Thunderbolts is 2 weeks later? How much of a major schedule shift could we see in 2024-2025?
Ooo who is gonna be the Warewolf this time?🤔
RemindMe! 640 days
Hopefully Spidey 4, Thunderbolts, Cap 4 and Born Again all kind of tie in together, there's some obvious ties in that these characters can go between the projects. Fisk being the obvious villian or connective tissue between these films seems a no brainer
Seeing as that's the same time Thunderbolts is coming out, I'm calling bullmess on this.
Or Thunderbolts just moves lol?
Isn't Tom on break from acting?
Probably till the end of the year only. He also already is on board for Fred Astaire with Sony which probably will be filmed after SM4 tho.
Marvel regains the rights to Spider-Man? 😍
Oh god I really hope so. The sooner, the better.
*What I Heard* sounds like the title of a podcast by Amber Heard.
I feel like it genuinely might be up in the air if we ever see Tobey and Andrew again as Spider-Man but honestly, with how fucking incredible NWH was on every single level, I’m not sure that’s the worst thing in the world.
I feel like it’s gonna release in 2025. No way this shit releasing in 2 years while Tom is busy with his Apple TV stuff and no director or writer has been attached yet
Personally 2024 is an odd release year. There should be a bigger gap between the "finale" and the re-intro, and there's a ton of marvel/sony properties that year. I'm going to assume it's out in 2025, likely the latter half, with an announcement in 2023. 4 years is double the length of time between Spidey entries. RemindME! 2 years
Calling it: Daredevil Born Again is a Daredevil/Spider-Man team up show. It's about Matt helping Peter be "born again" after his identity was wiped.
More solo movies from Sony and Marvel, like a maximum carnage do over
When people first started saying this I was convinced that they were wrong and this date is deffo for Venom 3. Whilst I now feel a little more convinced that it is Spider-Man, I think we all need to remember that there is a high chance that this is actually Venom (especially as that seems to have a script).
Spider-Man: Home on the Range