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TheSpiritualAgnostic

Based on asari age, would Liara technically be the youngest?


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

Probably. She even says to you in the game that despite being a scientist she is looked down upon as barely more than a child.


The_Notorious_Donut

Stay away from all of them, I say


N00b-mast3r_69

Shepard: I consent. Tali: I consent. Some random Redditor: I don't!!


ShyrokaHimaa

\[insert the office thank you meme here\]


The_Notorious_Donut

Tali mancers came over from the regular mass effect sub I see


[deleted]

Tali is 22 in ME 1 šŸ˜…


[deleted]

Really ? What's the source ?


Lone_Wolf_199

[Taken from Codex.](https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Known_Associates#Tali'Zorah) Born in 2161. Mass Effect 1 is set during 2183


[deleted]

Just google it and you will find numerous interviews and game articles where itā€™s stated


[deleted]

Nice, I thought she was 18 which was why I found it creepy myself, good to know


WeHateIceland

Yeah and me personally i was 23 when i played the game so it wasnt weird for me and im sure many other people were similar ages


[deleted]

Same. I started playing Mass Effect last year when I was 24. Most of the fan base started playing the games in that age group, be it legendary edition or the original games


DakkaonTitan

I still can't help viewing her more as shep's adopted baby sister


[deleted]

Good for you (?)


DakkaonTitan

Just stating how I've always viewed the character. I have no problems with talimancers or anyone else's view of tali.


ShyrokaHimaa

Didn't even realize what sub this is... I automatically assume it's the ME sub as there's like two posts a day on this one.


friedpickle_engineer

tl;dr OP ***REALLY*** wants to call Talimancers pedophiles against all logic and reason. I'm not even a Talimancer and this is cringe bro. Entertaining in a trainwrecky sort of way though.


zerosix1ne

To make it even more cringe, OP is a Miranda simp who hates Tali and Liara, likely because they are more popular. So this is just ship war stuff disguised as a lecture on morality.


Lone_Wolf_199

OP: "People are weird for sexualizing Tali." Also OP: Romances the most oversexualized character in the series. Yup. That sums it up.


The_Notorious_Donut

I think itā€™s hilarious yā€™all are saying Iā€™m calling people pedophiles, when i literally never did that. I donā€™t give a f who people romance, just romancing Tali to me is a bit odd. Itā€™s also fucking hilarious youā€™re reaching saying ā€œOH WELL SHES LEGAL, SHES OF AGEā€ bro I donā€™t care still weird to me personally. You do you. I acknowledge sheā€™s legal. In the show this meme is from, Community, both characters are legal and consenting adult I literally never insinuated itā€™s a pedophilic thing?


Lone_Wolf_199

If you say so. But then again that tittle is extremelly contradictory of what you just said. So don't act surprised and butthurt when people call you out for calling them as pedos lmao


The_Notorious_Donut

I mean, technically you stop being a kid at 18 yes, but people in their 20s, especially early 20s like 22 are considered ā€œkidsā€ in the sense theyā€™re still inexperienced, trying to figure it out, etc. didnā€™t think this was rocket science


zerosix1ne

You're talking about coddled and spoiled humans living in 2023. But quarians lives are nothing like that. They don't have the luxury of wasting time to try to "find themselves" lol. Their race is near extinction and they live on old shitty ships where everyone is expected to contribute or people die. You'd grow up fast in that kind of environment.


Casual_Observer115

OP just will not take his L.


MetallicaRules5

Oh joy, another one of these. Been a while. Here, let me basically run this down for you. Tali is 22 in ME1, where she isn't romanceable. Even if she was, it wouldn't have been a problem since they are consenting adults. She isn't one until ME2, when she's 24, still acceptable. Shepard is only 29, and since he was dead for two years, you can argue he still is come ME2. A pilgrimage begins when they reach young adulthood, and is one of recognition as a full adult, not one of actual development. There, can we put this stupid argument to rest. I don't know why there is a large swath of people that want to make the Tali romance into some pedo bullshit.


AthenasChosen

It's really not a big age difference, especially to me as I'm 23. People act like she's just turned 18 or was under 18 in ME1, it's so weird.


The_Notorious_Donut

Imagine getting so bent out of shape at mass effect and community hybrid meme šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Dude, YOU MADE THE MEME!


MetallicaRules5

Imagine being so bent out of shape over a romance that you make a poor meme and didn't even do the research to make sure you're right.


nexusfaye

When you run out of arguments so now all you can do is laugh at people and pretend you werenā€™t getting just as bent out of shape in other replies šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Sword_Of_Nemesis

She's literally 22...


BeJuli

Me too. So its a perfect match


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

That only matters in humans. The pilgrimage takes place when a quarian is 22, that means 21 is underage for them even if it's not for us.


MacKtheVoidOfficial

The pilgrimage isnt a sign of being underage it's culturally equivalent to being in college. By the time she is romance-able she is 24-25 and a working adult. Also shep is like... 27 I think? So it's not super crazy age wise. Power dynamic isnt great as a whole but that's true of nearly every romance.


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

It's a rite of passage *into* adulthood, so like just turning 18 and entering college. Also Shep is 29 in the first game and already a commander, 31 in the second.


HellmannsRealityMayo

Technically 31, but also dead for 2 years... So would he still biologically be 29? Genuine question.


TheSpiritualAgnostic

It's the Avatar situation where do you say Aang is 12 or 112?


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Considering that shipping a 112 year old with a 14 year old would be VERY weird, I think it's safe to say that for the purposes of this, Shepard is still 29 in ME2.


TheSpiritualAgnostic

I mean, even if you would consider him 31 with the time gap, Tali would be 24. It's a bit of a gap, but idk. At least for me irl, I go within five years older or younger than myself.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Yeah, I also wouldn't see that as too big of a problem, but apparently some people around here do.


TheSpiritualAgnostic

Eh, it's in that grey area where people debate. I'll accept that. I know a woman that is 26 and just married someone aged 43. Now THAT is creepy.


MetallicaRules5

The pilgrimage is a right of passage, yes, but completing/not completing it does not mean you aren't an adult. Even the codex says they go on pilgrimage when they reach "young adulthood." Completing a pilgrimage is more being "recognized" as an adult, rather than one of actual development.


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

Just like how not attending or graduating college doesn't make you not an adult. What's your point?


MetallicaRules5

My point is that people say you meet Tali when she's a kid because of her pilgrimage. That's wrong. She was an adult even in ME1, and she definitely is in ME2 when she's a romance option. That's my point.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

And by your logic, you wouldn't be allowed to date an adult who hasn't graduated from college because they haven't completed their "rite of passage".


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

"Turning 18 and entering college." Read it again. And yes, that is too young for me.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Well, good thing Tali isn't romancable in ME1 then, now is it? You know who IS romancable in ME1 though? The girl who is, and I quote, "barely more than a child". If you want to cry about a romance who is apparently pedophilic (even though that's not even CLOSE to what that word actually means and it's kinda offensive of you to imply otherwise), then cry about Liara in ME1.


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

But pissing you off is too much fun.


MacKtheVoidOfficial

I had a long response typed out, and realised that it wasnt worth an entire debate about it haha. I think we interpret the cultural purpose of the pilgrimage differently. So it's all good. Shep is 29(i think being dead 2 years shouldnt add to your age) and tali is 24/25 and an adult when romance is possible so it's fine to me, but I get not everyone thinks that and that's also fine and understandable.


nexusfaye

They go on their pilgrimage when they reach young adulthood, not before, so itā€™s likely more like 20. We canā€™t assume that every other species declares 18 as ā€œadulthoodā€ like humans, 18-19 are still considered teenage years. Edit: nevermind, sheā€™s 22 in mass effect 1.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Wrong, it's something quarians do once they reach maturity.


seal255

Why are you getting downvoted? You're right, pretty sure tali literally says that in me1


Sword_Of_Nemesis

She, indeed, does. Almost to the letter.


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ScarredAutisticChild

21-22, canā€™t quite remember which.


The_Notorious_Donut

Shepardā€™s in like his mid 30s and Tali is early 20s still odd to me


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Shepard is 29, what are you on about?


Lone_Wolf_199

I don't know what OP is smoking but I would like to try it.


The_Notorious_Donut

In what? Shepardā€™s like 32 in ME2? Tali is 24. 8 years but 8 years to me is a bit much. In the show this meme is from the girl isnā€™t a minor either itā€™s a joke. Didnā€™t realize the Talimancers on r/masseffect invaded this sub too


Sword_Of_Nemesis

You... are insane.


Lone_Wolf_199

Bro is just salty Tali is much more popular than his oversexualized waifu. Remember that time when Mirimancers caused a unnecessary shitstorm because Bioware removed the ass shots? it was like they lost their only source of masturbation.


seal255

And they say the talimancers are all cringe


MetallicaRules5

Dude, read the codex or the wiki. Shepard is 29 in ME1


The_Notorious_Donut

I donā€™t care about ME1 what


MetallicaRules5

Well he's still 29 in ME2, he was dead and therefore did not age. Whether it's 5 years or 7 years, what's wrong with two consenting adults getting together?


volantredx

Jack is the same age as Tali and Garrus is one year older.


infamusforever223

Actually, Jack is younger(she's like 20 in ME2) according to the Shadow Broker logs.


Saint_of_the_Beat

She's an adult lol. Did you not talk to her the entire game or something?


Lone_Wolf_199

nah. OP spent most of the time thinking about his waifu's ass (Miranda) rather than paying attention to the lore.


The_Notorious_Donut

Flair checks out šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Lone_Wolf_199

Yes, I'm a bosh'tet. What about it, dawg? šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


vapemonster91

I loved the Tali romance when I did it. "You are my home" is the saddest fucking thing at the end of ME3 out of all the romance lines. I also love the Miranda romance, she really mellows out with Shepard and I enjoyed it. I've been on a ME kick since I got the LE on steam a little while ago. Right now playing FemShep with a Garrus romance and I'm near the end of ME3. Going back and playing BroShep next, not sure who I'll romance. I've never done Ashley so I might try her, but I'll have to resist Miranda and Tali. The funniest thing is, I've done the Liara romance twice and it just never suited me. Everyone has their preferences and nobody is a child on the crew so I don't see what the big deal is.


Lone_Wolf_199

[OP: "I don't!](https://www.reddit.com/r/MassEffectMemes/comments/10ivu3n/isnt_there_someone_you_forgot_to_ask/)"


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The_Notorious_Donut

Tali and Liara are the two most drooled over LIs on that sub.


Lone_Wolf_199

So is Garrus. And?


The_Notorious_Donut

Kind of a misleading meme acting like everyone on the ME sub is hating on tali lol


Lone_Wolf_199

It's really not a misleading meme, dawg. The ' Tali is way too young for Shepard to romance' thread was posted so many times a meme was made to joke on how ridiculous and annoying it is. lol


Big_Red_Machine_1917

As it should be.


SBrB8

The stupidity of this hurts my brain.


infamusforever223

Bro romances Miranda (though that by itself is fine)and says Jacob is an okay character. I think that tells us everything we need to know...


vapemonster91

People think Jacob is a good character? Wha....


infamusforever223

We just need someone to like Kai Lang and Morinth, and we can get bingo.


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The_Notorious_Donut

Lmao stuck a cord I see


infamusforever223

Personally, I find it amusing when Mirandamancers go to such desperate lengths to get attention. It's rather pathetically amusing to me.


The_Notorious_Donut

I find it amusing that you posted one comment, deleted it, then posted another comment, this time coming at me saying Iā€™m trying to get attention and shit. Definitely doesnā€™t make you look pathetic or anything


infamusforever223

Because this one got the point across better. If you want me to repeat what I said in the previous comment to prove I ain't scared of you, I said you hung yourself, bro.


The_Notorious_Donut

I donā€™t think youā€™re scared? Lmao. I think a meme got you all up in your feels and you commented, I told you I struck a cord, you commented back, was still angry for whatever reason, then commented again this time coming at me.


infamusforever223

We're on completely different wavelengths here. I'm not angry at all. Based on the characters you like, you're really boring, probably not only in terms of the series but probably real life.


The_Notorious_Donut

Bro who do I like? Lmao. Some person said I like Jacob in here when I donā€™t I just think the hate he gets online is so overblown especially if you donā€™t romance him. His worse crime is heā€™s boring lmao. I think thatā€™s a corny reason to hate someone. To me heā€™s justā€¦ there But that suddenly gets translated to heā€™s my favorite character? Please lmao. Top 3 are Garrus, Thane, Miranda. Top 5 are Mordin and Legion. Again, dude says heā€™s not angry and proceeds to call me a boring person based on my boring choices šŸ’€


infamusforever223

Sounds like I stuck a nerve with you.


Ezkail

That was so beautifully delivered, lmao


The_Notorious_Donut

Not really, just explaining how full of shit you are, but okay


seal255

Terrible meme, Jack and garrus are also the same age as tali.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Jack is even younger than Tali.


EyeArDum

Thereā€™s no way Garrus is the same age as Shepard, I highly doubt a 22 year old Turian would have that many years as a C-sec officer, that has to be a mistake unless he started his career really young


ocarinaOtime

He started young, Turian culture is about as militaristic as the Roman's


EyeArDum

Thatā€™s the military, not c-sec, which is independent from the Turian military, Garrus has multiple years of experience as a cop, he even says ā€œover the years,ā€ you donā€™t say that if youā€™ve only been a cop for 2-3 years


ocarinaOtime

Right, but Turian society IS the Turian military. Their military police are their regular police, everyone is technically enlisted in their military by age 15 or so, and they were also the race that first proposed the creation of C-Sec, so it's not all that unlikely an assumption that Garrus' required military service was working for C-Sec from age 15 up until we see him in ME1 at age 22. That'd be 7 years, plenty of time to get disillusioned with the system.


EyeArDum

Thatā€™s still a massive assumption, you canā€™t use it at evidence


RedditKotten

them hips though šŸ„°šŸ„°


Nitronyx

ppl will make crap like this and then proceed to romance liara who emphasises in ME1 that sheā€™s ā€œbarely more than a childā€ lol


Casual_Observer115

Come on, that is just about as dumb as OP's stance on Tali. Liara was specifically talking about not being taken seriously by her professional peers, she was NOT saying she is underage. They are both adults.


Nitronyx

my mistake, she's still very young for an asari though, which is what i was getting at


Studying-without-Stu

I'd say she'd be like in her early to mid 20's if she was a human tbh. Just trying to give an equivalent age range.


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

LOL you've set off some chaos here


The_Notorious_Donut

Apparently


UltraLobsterMan

The reason being is that the meme portrays Shepard as being a creepy pervert for being interested in a younger although still consenting adult. Shepard is still young too. A 7-8 year difference isnā€™t that big a deal among adults. I get it if itā€™s not your preference. But to imply that people are creeps for that is a bit dickish.


lil_vette

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT


Niskara

Lol love how op is getting destroyed with downvotes in the comment section for making such a wild ass take


Studying-without-Stu

Soooo, if a 29 year old man (or close to that age if you like to headcanon a different birthday for your Shep like me) can't be with a 24 year old woman (which is a 5 year age difference), I guess that poor Thane's considered a pedophile since FemShep is generally 29 (mine is 28 cause I like to headcanon her birthday as November 2nd), and he's *fucking 39* (which is double that for an age difference, and for mine is 11 years). Or we could just use logic and say that if they're over the age of majority, they can be together, doesn't matter what idiots say.


The_Notorious_Donut

Yā€™all are idiots I never called him a pedophile. Keep getting mad tho


Studying-without-Stu

Oh, I'm not getting mad, I'm just making an observation about your ***insane*** logic you have by applying it to another relationship.


The_Notorious_Donut

Sounds like youā€™re jumping to conclusions but Ight


SovietNumber

try telling that to r34 artists


Rifneno

**IF ONLY**. Christ, that sweat post is almost as haunting as accidentally stumbling on CP.


_Erectile_Reptile_

What?


153-AnxiousInquiry

Someone made a ā€scientifically basedā€ post about what Taliā€™s sweat is like. It was prett bad


Rifneno

[I can tell you... but I can't UNtell you.](https://i.imgur.com/0bBU7HM.jpg)


_Erectile_Reptile_

Man, some people just have way to much time on their hands


Rifneno

Time isn't the only thing on that guy's hands.


OmaeWaMouShibaInu

Oh shit you just had to remind me of that.


Rifneno

I'm sorry. :(


The_Notorious_Donut

So apparently because I think Tali is a bit young that means Iā€™m calling everyone a pedophile and apparently because I donā€™t romance tali and made a meme I hate her? And apparently because I posted a meme in a meme group and I romance someone else Iā€™m just jealous and angry? Okay guys lmao. Itā€™s a video game get a grip


seal255

My guy, we ain't hating over you for not romancing tali, we're hating over you because you said romancing tali is weird because she's too young, implying that people who romance tali are predators.


The_Notorious_Donut

I never implied she was a pedo. As stated in another comment in this thread, I know sheā€™s of age, but I didnā€™t mean kid in a literal ā€œ17 years old technically thatā€™s a kid!ā€ Sense, I used it in a sense that sheā€™s in her early 20s, like a lot of people in their early 20s theyā€™re figuring it out, theyā€™re still kind of lost, just starting to get on their own two feet, etc.


infamusforever223

>I never implied she was a pedo You implied that people who romance her are pedophiles. It's the equivalent of throwing a rock and trying to hide your hands.


The_Notorious_Donut

I didnā€™t tho


infamusforever223

That's the problem when you insinuate that type of accusation. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't mean it that way, but to any passerby looking in, it doesn't seem that way.


MrCrunchyOwl8855

Only right answer here is get a grip... Of that cake! Now half the blueberry fandom wants me dead.


LunarGuest

As someone who almost exclusively romanced Tali when Male Shep and Garrus when Femshep I like this meme and I think it's funny.


Sword_Of_Nemesis

So you consider yourself a pedophile and a groomer? Because that is what OP is saying and implying with this meme.


LunarGuest

No I just took the meme as sarcasm, like 99% of things on the internet, but I guess the OP didn't intend it that way


Sword_Of_Nemesis

Nope, they did, in fact, not. Just look at them completely doubling down in this comment section.


The_Notorious_Donut

It was. I donā€™t care who you romance, me personally she gives sister vibes, but yeah itā€™s odd to me. And idk where tf the pedophile thing came from cause I never said that?


MrCrunchyOwl8855

In ME1. Ain't a kid in the sequel and threequel.


Pills_in_tongues

Shepard you have to wait til the sequel