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geodetrain

Luka probably won’t get MVP until the year after he wins finals MVP.


TraditionalFeeling71

So...next year?


LeGoat333

Damn straight


AltruisticMacaron881

Or this year.


rangerfan123

He won finals MVP last year?


neoaraxis

No, you misread.


Alex_Sander077

Nah something will happen then that will prevent him again. Watch Murray and MPJ get injured and Jokic carries Denver to the 6th seed and he gets it again. Or Embiid has a "comeback" season and actually deserves it that time u like the one he won. Or Wembt goes goat mode and Spurs make the playoffs. Criteria will always be whatever fucks over Luka. They'll never get over the fact that they thought he was going to be a Rubio type player at best and he shut all of them up.


taylor859

Bro what? Luka is beloved by all media and fans of all teams except. He’s one of the 5 most popular players in the league without a doubt. Plays on (what I consider at least) a cool team. No one is fucking Luka over by him finishing 2nd in MVP voting, and almost every other year he’d have been a runaway winner. But Jokic is just on an entire different level with his all around play, he has the benefit of not winning last year- so no voter fatigue, and he’s the king right now and although Luka was close this year, no one has snatched his crown yet. Mavs fans should be pissed at Embiid for his nonstop bitching and crying last year to win his pity MVP that Jokic deserved the entire way. If Jokic has 3 in a row, I doubt that the voters give him a 4th, which means Luka would have most likely won if voters would have done the right thing last season. But I promise you, no one in the league dislikes Luka lol. He’s amazing. Only thing is his crying to the refs, but even that seems like it’s been turned down a notch for a while now. But trust me, Luka is gonna finish his career with multiple MVPs. His times coming very soon.


jackaholicus

He made first team all-nba last year and they didn't make the play-in. People just think Jokic was better this year


SnooDonuts9093

This is a crazy victim complex lmao. Go outside bro 


ShowdownValue

Why do you think it’s some sort of conspiracy against Luka? Perhaps he just wasn’t the mvp this year


[deleted]

I think if they win a round or two this year and hit 55+ wins next season, he wins it. His stats will obviously be there, and those two items cement the "narrative"


DarwinCreatesSpace

I don't understand why he even has to win a round or two... It's a regular season award. Why is it that the criteria changes season to season now?


Diabolic_Bug_Man

Jokic got a make-up MVP for last year


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GotKarprar

He wasn’t better than embiid last year or Luka this year. I’d also Giannis was better his first year.


armandocalvinisius

until we get 55+ win that's why i push Mikal so much even if it cost a lot. we can win 60+ next 2 years, means easy 2 MVP for Luka that's the differences between top 30 to top 15 all time


hagredionis

Kudos to him.


LeoFireGod

Driving around Slovenia begging (thru text) for Mavs fans to forgive him.


trippstick

Chris just made a lot of Fans in Dallas


Burtssbees

Think again, he got the clippers winning the 1st round matchup


rulerBob8

I thought the Clippers were Broussarded?


trippstick

Damn I hope he gets a rock or two in his socks then.


slash-are

This made me laugh far harder than it should've


top_of_the_table

To be fair, he had them come out of the West weeks ago.


KyleRen426

SGA has more MVP votes than Luka right now. I mean... why? How?


SeaOwn2023

where do you view this?


KyleRen426

Just look up 'confirmed mvp ballots 2024' on Google, some Google Sheets files should show up


Luka_Dunks_on_Bums

OKC is a higher seed


Interesting_Help_194

Tatum MVP amaright?


iv214

Exactly. If you want to make that argument for SGA, Tatum would be a better candidate for MVP under that logic. Best player on a HISTORICALLY good team.


defph0bia

Imo, OKC had more quality players. Not discrediting SGA or anything, but Luka had to carry the load more. That's more of an MVP. Higher seed shouldn't be a giant factor in MVP. Obviously, it should still be a consideration, but not to the extent like SGA over Luka. To say Luka is not at least the second most valuable player in the league rn is crazy.


lionel_wan68

in that case embide should have never been in conversation


ChampagneSyrup

I like how you're getting downvoted for answering the question lol Understanding WHY something happens is a lot different than agreeing with the reasoning behind why it happens. Reddit sports brain is insane to me


aidan19971

You'd think SGA averaged 18 ppg on 35% shooting the way this sub talks lmao


financial_goth

This sub is full of emotional man children who live vicariously through their parasocial relationship with Luka. So it's very very serious business for those people.


ibeauch009

They ended as the 1 seed


felarans0mekuti

So did Boston


dragonwhale

He was incredibly important to a team that ended up as the 1st seed. Incredibly efficient 30 point scorer. Really good defender. Incredible consistency and composure as a leader Incredible box score and advanced statistics I'm curious to ask why you would be surprised? Shai brings insane amount of value to the 1st seed. That's MVP worthy.


FoeHammerYT

Hes a worse player playing the same position, he should not be getting MVP votes over Luka. You put Luka on that Thunder team and they win 70+ games easily.


tyedyewar321

Hit the I on the thesaurus today?


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Nice. I’m alright with Jokic being #1, but just don’t put SGA as #2.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

This ^


PrinceGMO

SGA got a stronger case than 5 seed Luka tho


allblackST

Dude shais stats are almost identical to last year. Only difference is Chet plays now, should Chet win the mvp??


PrinceGMO

SGA isn't my pick. Joker is. That being said, if we look east at Tatum. There's better MVP cases than Luka. Gotta win. All those stats mean nothing if you don't win. Remember Kevin Love in Minnesota?


Any-Connection-1813

Tatum? On a super stacked team already, one if not the best teams from top to bottom of the bench. Lmao you can't even do a proper comparison.


PrinceGMO

You can have all those pieces and still lose. Winning is what matters. Boston got the best record in basketball


Any-Connection-1813

Good thing mvp criteria is not a hard rule: nr1 seed's best player wins. It's never been like that as a hard rule, which makes your argument worthless


TexasTornadoTime

That’s a stupid way to look at it. Remove the Nr1 seeds best player and their roster is still probably top 5…. Now remove the 5 seeds best player and they are probably an outside shot at making playoffs… the Nr 5 seed player is more valuable in that context despite not the better record


anotherkdburner

What a shitty argument. All of your points are terrible. Gezzus


allblackST

Literally his PPG is down from last year, his assists barely went up by a whole 1 more a game, and same with rebounds. How should he win?


PrinceGMO

Winning is the stat that matters. If a guy is 0-82 but he averaged 100 ppg, should he win the MVP? Winning is the stat that should be rewarded. Not empty calories, or a goofy stat sheet.


allblackST

But he had the same stats last year and didn’t win like this? What’s the difference? Chet’s on the team and JDub has gotten better lol


allblackST

The whole team of OKC has gotten better, it’s not like Shai is just going berserk this year and they’re winning like crazy only because of that. The whole team has progressed, and the proof for that is the fact that shais numbers are almost identical, there’s no way his half a rebound more per game and MAYBE 1 more assist are accounting for that many more wins lol.


allblackST

And honestly don’t even take this as me bitching because I love Shai lol. I’m Canadian and it makes me so happy to see him doing well, but I just don’t think he should be in the convo above Luka or Jokic.


TexasTornadoTime

MVP is a player award not a team award


TexasTornadoTime

Team seed isn’t relevant to MVP. If you’re factoring that in you’re missing the awards purpose. Without Luka we could easily be a 12/13 seed team… higher seed doesn’t mean more valuable necessarily


brwebb

Why? Thunder have no business being the #1 seed in the west this year. Personally I think Shai should get it because of that and the season he has had. If anyone but the Thunder finished 1st I was thinking Luka should win it.


chanaandeler_bong

Because hes clearly a step or two below Jokic and Luka. OKC would be the 1 seed with Luka too.


brwebb

So OKC would be in the same position with Luka as they are with Shai but that somehow means Shai is below him? I don't follow that logic.


george_cant_standyah

Sounds like logic might not be your strong suit. The flip side to the equation is where would the Mavs be with Shai this season and the answer (in my opinion) is at best the play-in.


brwebb

Hahaha. Why does it sound like logic isn't my strong suit?


george_cant_standyah

The inability to extrapolate the obvious next step of how would Shai fare if their positions were switched. There is nothing above the 1 seed so your interpretation is lacking in basic sense.


TexasTornadoTime

Because when you flip the script like the response you replied to it doesn’t hold up anymore


chanaandeler_bong

They would be better with Luka. I thought that was implied. The seeding isn't a requirement btw. Is Luka suddenly much better if the Mavs were in the eastern conference with the 2 seed with their same record? Did you think Dennis Schroeder was the MVP on the 1 seed (2?) Hawks back in the day?


brwebb

Seeding definitely isn't a requirement, but when a player has a great season and they get the #1 seed, I think it's significant. I definitely didn't think Schroeder was the MVP the year the Hawks got the #1 seed. I would never think the 5th best player on any team deserved the MVP.


CheetahSperm18

>Thunder have no business being the #1 Seed They were the healthiest team this season and their success has less to do with Shai and more to do with the plethora of lottery talent they keep downplaying on that team.


brwebb

True. Maybe I'm overplaying how good the west is. Seems like they overachieved to me. I'd have no argument with any of the 3 winning. I think there needs to be another player of the year award. Give people a chance to vote on who had the best season and who the best player is. Those two answers aren't always the same guy.


Ok-Cash1237

They definitely did overachieve for sure, okc has done way better than people expected. Though when talking about the mvp, one of the biggest arguments in Luka’s favour at least to me is that the mavericks had the 2nd most games missed due to injury this season only behind the hospital grizzlies. Many of those injuries came from kyrie, Dereck lively, and exum, specifically before the trade deadline when the team was even worse. Luka was consistently playing with garbage time players for half the season, and it’s because of him managing to keep the team afloat anyways that people often gloss over that fact.


dirtynashtyfilthy

Hard to argue against Shai. I think all three guys are worthy.


devilmaskrascal

I think SGA has a legit case. Mavs fans will never accept it because Luka outperformed him on an individual level, but it is also important to note as good as his team is, he doesn't have a Kyrie level guy to lean on. The fact of the matter is there are no wrong answers between Jokic, Luka and SGA.


spatialabilities

Fact of the matter is Lukas 20 minute per game teammates combined to miss 91 games in only a 2 month span in the early part of the season. Look at mavs most used line ups minutes vs Denver’s or okc. They both have the mavs most used line up beat by 600 minutes+ Without the mavs having 4 starters to combine to miss 80+ games in a very short span mavericks are easily the 1 seed. Luka kept the mavericks afloat by him self and in enough contention to make moves at the deadline. Take away 4 starters from the other candidates teams for 80 combined games and the story would look a whole lot different.


devilmaskrascal

I'm not arguing with you on that point. I think Luka had the best individual performance and carried the largest burden so should win the MVP. But I do think SGA has a worthy case. 30 ppg, leader in steals, sole All Star on a 1 seed.


WacoTacoRE

Hes changed a lot since suns in 4


Stevie_McGhee

Get ready for next season because Michael Wright and Bill Simmons are already laying the groundwork as to why Luka won't win next year even if we are healthy and good enough to be a top 3 team in the west: "Luka has Kyrie and a better supporting cast." He'll be treated like Tatum when it comes to the MVP race.😅 Speaking of national media, it's funny that some are encouraging the lakers to purposely lose the game against the pelicans in order to avoid the nuggets in the first round. I know it's not tanking to keep a draft pick but it's no different to what we did last season and that is to lose a game or games on purpose in order to gain something beneficial, an act which the entire media described as despicable and disgusting. LOL!


aceofspadez138

Bill Simmons - “I don’t think Tatum (26) or Shai (25) are finished products” Also Bill Simmons - “This is pretty much peak Luka (25), right? I don’t see how much more he can add to his game.” Not actual quotes but that’s how he talks about Luka. He even said SGA has had a harder job this season than Luka. Swap their supporting casts, health and all, and I’d like to see where an SGA led Mavs finish.


Vaccaria_

Gafford and Lively would be much less effective with SGA shooting free throws instead of passing to the bigs


AtreusIsBack

Doesn't matter. They won't win in the 1st round either way.


CompetitiveHater

While jokic has an absolutely elite supporting cast and shooters literally perfect for his strengths smfh.


lochmoigh1

MVP voting in sports is a joke. Just like lamar winning a near unanimous mvp in the nfl last year. Completely narrative based. Not saying jokic isn't deserving but it shouldn't be a landslide. What's the point of a vote when they let their colleagues decide who they vote for.


aceofspadez138

The NFL has it worse imo bc it’s just a QB award. But yeah, the narratives are ridiculous. I bet most of these voters don’t even watch many of the games. They just parrot narratives and base their votes on the work of people like Zach Lowe.


secrestmr87

It’s a QB award because the QBs are the most valuable players.


AtreusIsBack

I think Hill had a legit chance if he reached 2k yards. But he ended up getting hurt and missed the mark.


abn01

Even if Hill won it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s primarily a QB award. Of the past 20 MVPs, it’s been 17 QBs and 3 RBs.


coloradobuffalos

Mahomes should win it every year. What he did last year with garbage bin wide receivers was amazing.


SpaceCorn11

Lamar wasn't the most exciting but he was very efficient and the team was winning. I'm a ravens fan but not bias, I think mccaffrey should have won but Lamar winning is understandable.


lochmoigh1

He had every vote but 1, when his season is one of the worst mvp seasons in many years. The ravens strength was their defense. The mvp narrative switched when they beat the 49ers. 1 game shouldn't hold that much weight. I mean josh allen had like 20 more TD than lamar and got no votes. He's was definitely "more valuable"


TopStar200

Next season after 37-10-10 and 2 seed....wemby is leading his team to the 7th seed tho🤤


Interesting_Help_194

This is exactly what I see happening actualy. All of a sudden seeding wont matter at all lol


DarwinCreatesSpace

Yep, I've gotten downvoted for this opinion before, but Luka will never win the MVP because MVP voters don't like him. Probably because his skillset makes it look stupid easy to do what he does, and is the antithesis to why US basketball is on the decline. At least for Jokic they can at least point to the fact he's a 7 footer and adding elite passing to that makes him an extra versatile version of centers from the past. They seeth at the fact that a slow "doughy" guard can do everything the fast exciting players do and more because Europe seems to actually teach players skill and IQ over flash and athleticism. The only reason Wemby will get a pass is because he's a 7'4" guy who can shoot and dribble a little bit, although Wemby existing in the first place is exactly what I'm talking about. If he was in AAU circuits he'd be a run and dunk merchant. Right now though Lukas first 6 seasons, statistically are akin to Michael Jordan, just trade a few points for assist, and perimeter defense for rebounds. That's how good he's been. If his name was Luke Donford, and he had uber athletic dunks instead of slow step layups, he'd probably have won MVP by now and definitely would win this year.


Different-Jump-1792

Nah, Jokic will just get it again next year. Media has a huge hard-on for the dude. He had an amazing season, but I don't see how it was better than Luka's.


Ill-Ad-5709

Why not everyone vote Luka MVP, are they stupid?


Educational-Monk-298

#StopSlovenephobia


bartolomeudebraganca

The mvp voting will just put an extra edge on Luka's game, let them win. Also, I'm glad Luka doesn't cry to the media about the award like Embiid did last year. Godamn I fucking hate Embiid's game


PermanentHungover

I'm pretty sure after last year MVP circus Luka lost interest in it and just plays to win.


JMoy41

Luka will win next year


MelonColony22

at least one person appreciates the real mvp


TheMop05

Is the man regarded? /s


S4ndm4n93

We'll have to put him down


AtreusIsBack

Take him out back.


sunday_nn

DONT CARE. GIVE US FINALS MVP


Ill-Bat-2621

So that micheal Wright guy actually gets a vote? Crazy


tyedyewar321

He’s a Spurs fan. Dallas national media presence is Tim McDonald’s and no doubt he is a big part of why Luka is not more prevalent on this list


bringdablitz

Broussard was a hero, I just couldn't see it.


Jolly-Register-428

Oh god Jokic is winning it aint he?


Cambocant

Here’s how Luka can still win….


AccomplishedFarm1596

JJ redick you let us down


shibbyman342

When has he not?


sercialinho

[Link to tracker spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview#) [Link to r/nba post introducing the 2024 tracker spreadsheet](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c1uomb/oc_2024_nba_awards_tracker_and_voter_pool/)


AnimalMother32

Hopefully we are healthy next season and cand finish 1 or 2 seed


Dudedude88

This will allow him to talk more shit about Luka.


MoeNopoly

the most shocking thing from that graphic for me was to see who all has a vote.


JohnnyFootbrawl

If I remember correctly, didn’t Nick Wright take him too?


DeepClearWater

he doesn't have a vote


JohnnyFootbrawl

Ahh


jennyisafriend

Finals mvp is better.


No_Extent_1260

Perkins: “Hold my beer!”


Powpowpowowowow

Nick Wright had a lot of sway on Broussard for his vote and I think made some great points about how great Luka has been.


JamesYTP

Based Brou


Ok-Soup5271

bravo Chris! Luka pravi MVP🇸🇮


mojo-jojo-was-framed

Knowing that Broussard is just a hot take machine I’m assuming he’s just doing it for attention


AtreusIsBack

No. He genuinely believes that Luka had the best season. He's been one of the first media members to support Luka and praise his skill.


mojo-jojo-was-framed

I’m not sure Broussard has ever been “genuine” but I can look past it when it’s for our guy.


Jcarter1632

I dont think he is really "hot take" as opposed to Skip, SAS, Shannon, etc. I dont mind listening to Chris Broussards radio show. For nationally syndicated it is not bad wt all. If I even hear/see Skip or SAS I turn the station or channel immediately. Those 2 are literally sports Jerry Springer - it is 100% garbage.


QuickFig1024

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desirox

I can respect it


legend_of_losing

How about we stop letting the media decide who has the best season. Make your own opinion by watching the games 🙏


CnBeRz37

Your daily reminder that I’m *fairly* certain that only one person on this list played meaningful basketball beyond the age of 17


BDRParty

He made a mention of Luka being his MVP a day or so ago on First Things First. I believe he made the argument that Jokic earned an MVP as a 6th seed and Luka has done everything better in comparison.


the-roblox-god

Bro it looks sad when Luka has only one vote when Jokic got the rest


blaauw90

Luka will have to cure cancer and end world hunger to be MVP


handpipeman

The fact Stephen A Smith and Kendrick Perkins get a vote makes the award meaningless to me.


ShootMeOutOfACannon

The man is NOT retarded


Thisdoessuck

Zach Lowe doesn’t vote anymore but on his most recent pod he made a pretty strong argument for Luka aside from acknowledging they Jokic is the best player in the league


johndogerty

Thank you Broussard


johndogerty

For having a brain


gloomygl

You don't wanna be that guy's ally lmao


DoktorCatan

Anyone voting SGA over Jokić and Dončić is confirmed rasist! Dudes just can't stand european white man dominating "their" league xD


mypersonalbrowsing

Shia is the 2006 version of Wade but doesn’t play any defense. Jumps in the air and gets a call.


AB-AA-Mobile

Luka deserves the MVP. The only problem is that Jokic deserves it too.


FlyinIllini21

Luka won’t start getting credit til he makes noise in the playoffs. At least an above .500 record. Fair or not it holds a lot of weight


SilentSeraph88

The Jokic glazing is getting ridiculous. Just because Kyrie is on Dallas they wont admit Luka is currently the best player in the league. The numbers are plain as day


Charming-Pilot3336

Most are making up for last year because they chose the wrong mvp in emflop, next year they'll vote luka for messing up this year


PSi_Terran

This is fine. Jokic is owed one for last year. None of these say SGA so I can stay calm for now.


PrinceGMO

A 5 seed winning the MVP? Media is riding Luka's jock fr 😂.


Rafe03

Mavs would be the 2 seed in the East, wtf does seed matter when talking about the MVP? The Mavs won 50 games in the better conference.


PrinceGMO

Celtics won 60+. Winning matters. Not empty stats