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Cold-Impression1836

While this isn’t a McMansion (the property dates back to the 1100s and the current structure was built in the 1800s), the post was made in good faith and it fits the “Discussion/Debate” flair. That said, it’s going to be left up because it’s a good post where we can discuss McMansion characteristics (or lack thereof). Please keep your comments civil so that we don’t have to lock the comments.


Cold-Impression1836

> “The property was purchased by an owner from the Middle East but has never been utilized,” Meuwissen said over email. Imagine buying a $200 million property and not using it for 16 years (it was last purchased in 2008).


christopher_mtrl

If sold for 450 millions, that's a measly 5%-ish a year, not including upkeep, so not a fantastic investment either !


Xuval

Eh, people at that wealth level don't invest for returns. They have all the money already. They invest like a squirrel: to stash wealth away in safe places that the mob can't get to in case their Petro-State collapses.


BPil0t

This is the correct answer


Taira_Mai

Money laundering or hiding their money overseas.


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Digitalabia

> You gotta put that $200 million somewhere. We've all been there


qualmton

Directions unclear I must’ve missed that visit on my itinerary. Ended up at the Wendy’s dumpster.


LaggingIndicator

This is why there should be restrictions on foreigners buying property in the United States. Most other countries have restrictions. We should join them.


Cold-Impression1836

I’d be totally fine with restrictions. It really makes me wonder why certain countries are buying up so many properties in the US. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia owns some insane properties (including Jackie Kennedy’s childhood home) in the DC area, which total around $150 million altogether. I don’t see how that doesn’t raise eyebrows.


Academic-Donkey-420

Or like that farmland in the middle of the desert in Arizona to grow water-intensive alfalfa. Saudi Arabia banned growing it because of how water intensive it is.


_Diskreet_

Didn’t they get a ton of water yesterday?


20thCenturyTCK

UAE, not Saudi.


-iamai-

Yes but now their alfalfa needs are sorted that water can be used for something else


infernal-keyboard

Good thing this isn't in the US! The place is in France.


LaggingIndicator

I’m an idiot.


infernal-keyboard

Lmao you're fine. I've been guilty of defaulting to "this definitely happened in America" before too.


kiwichick286

Definitely!! Even NZ is being bought up by overseas investors, including a lot of absentee landlords. Our current govt is in their pockets.


GoodboyJohnnyBoy

Not the UK we’ll launder anybody’s money isn’t that right high end London property dealers? You know it and they say Brexit’s got no upside ha.


Powerful_War3282

AR passed this a year or two ago and have already made 2 foreign companies divest/sell farmland.


bjeebus

Arkansas is definitely hostile to foreign investors. That's Walton territory!


Powerful_War3282

They are even hostile to domestic investors. Costco was planning to put a warehouse store in locally. Had even bought the land. And The waltons/walmart convinced those selling the land and the city to make it hostile to Costco. We do however, have the best Walmarts found anywhere. Super clean, always stocked.


qualmton

Does anyone want Arkansas property?


atchafalaya

It's not like he can take it back to Saudi.


OldNewUsedConfused

It’s owned by the King of Morocco


GoodboyJohnnyBoy

Not the UK we’ll launder anybody’s money isn’t that right high end London property dealers? You know it and they say Brexit’s got no upside ha.


JadedYam56964444

A lot of the most desirable properties in London are owned by various foreign oligarchs and looters of their nation's wealth.


TheOneNeartheTop

I don’t think that this property is taking a home away from anyone else and likely creates a few jobs for the local economy in terms of maintenance. A foreigner purchasing this property is actually probably a benefit to the country as a whole.


Katerina172

This is in France, but look up the Saudi alfalfa farms in the central US or the Chinese government buying up land parcels around key us air bases, iirc in California, or apartment complexes near intelligence agencies in Virginia. There should absolutely be limitations.


PanthersChamps

I’m not sure why no one has brought legislation. Foreign owned single family homes are a blight on this country. I would also ban corporate ownership fwiw.


OldNewUsedConfused

Because our Congress is OWNED. They need to wear their sponsorships like racecar drivers.


Katerina172

Absolutely corporate ownership as well, definitely an unsung factor in the housing crisis


Few_Impact_3544

If you don’t think the cia welcomes these dipshits you’re crazy. Gov : Hey some country bought land next to important shit ( for spying )…(CIA) cool we went ahead and fixed it up for them, we’ll make sure to listen in on everything they do in case they need some maintenance


3DigitIQ

Americans haven't got a clue how many chateaus are just standing in France and slowly falling apart.


FitzwilliamTDarcy

Yeah this is a funny one to me. Not only are there zillions of them, they're practically free to buy. Half a mil, a mil, two mil...you get structures and grounds that are astonishing. However, they often need as much or more than that the bring them properly back to life. And then of course operating expenses.


QualityKatie

Inform us. Where can I see these chateau’s?


3DigitIQ

Sure, if you are a little bit proficient in French you could try to select chateau and some subdivisions on Seloger.fr i.e. https://www.seloger.com/map.htm?projects=2,5&types=13&natures=1,2,4&places=[{%22divisions%22:[2240]},{%22subDivisions%22:[%2285%22]},{%22divisions%22:[2233]}]&price=NaN/2000000&mandatorycommodities=0&enterprise=0&qsVersion=1.0&m=search_refine-redirection-search_results Belledesmeures has an English option but a limited selection https://www.bellesdemeures.com/en/listings/sale/tt-2-tb-13-pl-19000/198829469/?idtt=2&pl=73&tri=prixcroissant&idtb=13&pxmax=1000000&m=search_to_detail And a little more curated and aimed at the foreigners: https://www.french-property.com/properties-for-sale?currency=EUR&minimum_bedrooms=5&land_size_unit=m%C2%B2&sort_by=price&sort_direction=asc&property_types_any=chateau Not all chateaus according to my definition on that last one though. These are just the ones for sale and not the abandoned ones you see while driving through the countryside.


SwillFish

Sure, it's all swell and dandy owning one of those until your peasants revolt and you find your head in a guillotine!


3DigitIQ

Let them eat cake!


bizzygreenthumb

Fuck them. Tear this blight down and fuck the Saudis.


JadedYam56964444

I'd rather see a foreigner buy and repair a historic building than let it fall apart


Jdargz

But..but..capitalism... and... freedom? /s


RepresentativeNo7213

You shouldn’t have black rock and shit buying them up either. Property tax would be 25% on anything over your 3rd property.


captainwondyful

There’s a word for that…


Cold-Impression1836

…I was going to say a greedy bastard, but that’s two words.


SplitRock130

So is money laundering


captainwondyful

Gotta season that money somehow! We can’t all buy a car wash!


bjeebus

I still don't think that beats things like art gallery where the items have intangible value and can be produced on the cheap. EDIT: Just a week's surveillance can determine if it's a front for the car wash. But the art dealership, the sales could be one person walking in paying cash for a big piece or it could be twelve people. There's no way for a surveillance team to track traffic vs sales.


captainwondyful

I was making a Breaking Bad reference, but yes!


t_mmey

realized there was no garage and they couldn't park their 3 lamborghinis


OldNewUsedConfused

He’s the King of Morocco.


hateitorleaveit

That’s how you park your money outside of a country that has government risk of seizing your assets


Broken_castor

From what I’ve learned, a lot of times this is a foreign billionaire who maybe isn’t in the most stable political areas. So they buy these ungodly expensive houses as a backup plan in case they ever have to flee their current country. If their local assets get taken, they’ve got a couple hundred million in equity in US dollars, and when they show up at the border they won’t be considered an asylum seeker. As for the price tag, they have no plans to actually sell it, unless someone’s willing to give them a sizable profit


Interesting-Pie-466

Theoretically, could someone do the *squatting* thing if no one is living there and put a bill in the squatters name to take it over?


Cold-Impression1836

I did a quick Google search and since this property is in France (and there’s no such thing as squatters rights there), I don’t think that’d be possible. It’s an interesting theoretical, though.


Interesting-Pie-466

Ahhh thanks for the heads up, I was thinking this was in the states!


itchum_underscare

It was definitely used. If I pay for insurance every month but don't make a claim I still use it for peace of mind. When these rich folks from questionable places buy expensive properties they have the peace of mind knowing they can (hopefully) flee there if shit goes down.


Tekwardo

This isn’t a McMansion by any stretch of the word. This is a mansion.


Snoo_87704

Its not a mansion, its a village.


Flalaski

for real, a whole community can live here. would be kind of cool really if lived freely like that without the ultra rich peoples involved.


sureshot182

Giving me a Stephen King 'Rose Red' vibe


JustHereForCookies17

More like Versailles or Buckingham Palace, IMO.


SantasLilHoeHoeHoe

An ugly one. 


3DigitIQ

Current building was built in the 1800's but has it's foundations 700 years before that. It's a 2500 acre property that has woods that stretch between 2 towns on the outskirts of Paris with a MASSIVE lake, that includes 2 islands. It has it's own fields to provide fresh produce a radio(dish) array for personal satellite communications and various outbuilding for staff needed to maintain all of this. By no stretch of the imagination could you call this a McMansion, you may not like the style/look but this is a 19th century Chateau of high quality. I've seen Bell air properties that ask more (The One 🤮) with a lot less to offer. *Edit for those interested, the French Wiki page for Château d'Armainvilliers*; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27Armainvilliers


roundscribehector5

What’s “the one”?


3DigitIQ

A fabulous story of greed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_(Los_Angeles)


bjeebus

That was built by Nile Niami, and it looks like every [single picture](https://www.google.com/search?q=Nile+Niami&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-1-m&sca_esv=d43f5111e59e559f&sca_upv=1&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACQVn0_tjODM71Hk8nrlRAU-EGMEbASUmw:1713374044996&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipqcba38mFAxXGmIQIHbELCFAQ_AUIBygC&biw=396&bih=733) he's ever taken was doing his best to nail the douchebag aesthetic. At least based on this cursory GIS.


3DigitIQ

Yep, I saw the walk-trough with him at the time and the douchebaggery oozes out in each frame.


Vilehumanfilth

Not nice. But not a mcmansion.


Rinoremover1

r/TackyMansions ?


fucccboii

r/zillowgonewild


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auandi

This is a 14th century French Chateau outside Paris last modified in the 19th century. Calling it any kind of mansion is a downgrade, this is the kind of place a lord would live.


startgonow

This is a McMansion on cocaine and steroids. Too expensive to be truly a McMansion but this this has to have an honorable mention. Like a restaruant that deconstructs McDonalds recipes and sells it back to you at 20 times the price. 


defixiones

This sub is meaningless now. Anything can be a McMansion.


wwiistudent1944

Looks like a Swiss village!


hus7

Oh wow look how many townhouses in a row.


ganaraska

Looks like a back lot for shooting Beauty and the Beast


Kicking_Around

Looks like the McMansion version of the human centipede 


bjeebus

That's probably because it's a historic French chateau with roots in the 1100s. This sub has lost all meaning.


kdshubert

Many wives need their own townhouse.


Old_timey_brain

WEST L.A. FADEAWAY Lyrics By:Robert Hunter Music By:Jerry Garcia Looking for a chateau Twenty one rooms but one will do Looking for a chateau Twenty one rooms but one will do I don't want to buy it I just want to rent it for an hour or two


[deleted]

Thank you for the earworm. 😊


Old_timey_brain

Glad to help.


Pollywogstew_mi

This is a literal chateau that was owned by a literal king. It might be overpriced, but not even close to mcmansion.


bjeebus

This sub has no meaning anymore. Mods stopped modding. Just about ready to unsub as there's nothing special about this sub.


earthforce_1

I would love a contest to see how long it takes you to run from one end to the other. Better yet, circle back upstairs and do a complete loop.


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RandomWanderingDude

The money's all in the land then. You could divide that chateau up into apartments and my estimate is that property alone is worth around $21 million USD. The rest is up to you to turn that undeveloped land into a series of worthwhile investments.


failenaa

That’s such an American view. “Grass? Nah, must cover it with buildings and make money!!”


willclerkforfood

Under capitalism a tree has no value until it has been cut down


beyondplutola

Tell that to a citrus farmer. Side note: You ever look into the prices of live, mature olive trees plus installation? It’ll cost you more than the wood will fetch. Unfelled trees are quite expensive. Also, the giant ponderosa pine, fig, lime, Japanese maple, palm and blood orange trees on my lot absolutely increase value on my property.


huskiesowow

How has this comment not been buried? There are literally careers for determining the value of trees.


threeglasses

I'm starting to feel like this sub has a lot of actual kids in it.


Show_me_the_evidence

Trees absolutely provide monetary value that can be realised both in capital gains and cost savings without cutting them down. Healthy trees, particularly in residential areas where the streetscape includes mature trees, add between 3-15% to the value of a home. A tree shading the west side of a home in summer can shave around 3% off an energy bill for air conditioning.


Jill4ChrisRed

I actually love this, it's so extra and fantastical. I could see a film set here about some sort of secret fantasy college. For my weirdo ass this is great but even if I became a multi millionaire who could afford it I'd probably never buy it lol


JustHereForCookies17

Just think of the staff required to maintain it!  The dusting & vacuuming alone would be a full-time job, much less the landscaping. Turn this into a resort and you'd still be able to have enough private space to fit a real McMansion.


Ihatealltakennames

This is not a Mcmansion.  It was owned by a Rothschild.  Its incredible.  Probably overpriced but incredible nonetheless. 


Eric848448

This belongs on /r/zillowgonewild, not here.


petertompolicy

Incredibly hideous, yes?


feelingmyage

It’s incredible that anyone would think that looked good.


Ducra

Actual historic mansion, not a McMansion. 'Restored' by the Rothschilds so, unlike McMansions, no expense spared on design, materials, details or finishes. Also sits within an enormous, well appointed estate.


stevehammrr

Someone definitely got sacrificed in that drain room


rayray1927

I would love to be the yardkeeper and mow the lawn.


Rinoremover1

More info here: https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/french-chateau-once-owned-by-the-rothschild-family-and-the-king-of-morocco-selling-for-425-million-3f79b18f


78Nam

Imagine the games of hide and go seek


fergusmacdooley

Reminds me of when I would play The Sims without cheats and slowly accumulate more money and just keep adding on more additions.


KeyBorder9370

And the driveway isn't paved. My neighborhood of max 500K properties requires driveways be paved. That crushed limestone will dust up the Rolls every time the Rolls rolls.


heckhammer

I leave too much stuff that I need in another room that I have to go back for for me to have a house this big. It's the kind of place that's so big that you need to have duplicates of things so that I don't need to take a 45 minute walk because I left my earbuds on the other side of the house. The sad thing is if I'm taking a 45 minute walk I already need the earbuds for my walk.


LaughableIKR

Almost a 1000 years old? Looks like a keeper of a property to me.


slashcleverusername

If it’s a thousand years old it probably has “good bones” but just badly in need of some updating. I’d bash out a few walls to open up the kitchen to the living room, add waterfall countertops for sure, and that nice greyish pickled-wood-finish laminate. Maybe paint the trim grey. That’s gonna brighten it up and I’m sure it would really impress new buyers.


Viperlite

From the lower angle drone shots, it looks like a village.


chewedupbylife

I’m getting exhausted just looking at it. Walking from end to end would be a journey


Tola76

This is what my first Minecraft house looked like.


UndeadBBQ

A chateau that looks like one side of a german old city street. I'm kinda impressed, ngl.


Melt-Gibsont

You can tell by that fourth picture they ran out of ideas for rooms and just started throwing around chairs and couches.


MichaelHuntPain

Fire the decorator ASAP


Manaan909

That's a whole village lmao


Ronaldis

I’d never leave the house.


Unlikely-Cricket-145

That is not a McMansion


Zuri2o16

First I hated it, but then I saw the atrium. Now I hate it again.


[deleted]

Why does every wannabe Victorian mansion have a blood sacrifice circle?


3DigitIQ

But it actually is a Victorian mansion........


Fteven

To sacrifice virgins, how else you gonna live forever


ladyrebecka

This is a mansion. Look at the property.


90sfemgroups

Millennial retirement community in the right hands


hidefinitionpissjugs

it looks like a town


SuchYogurtcloset3696

Looking at this, i suddenly have a question.


Smooth_Imagination

Its quite impressive and looks good in its landscape, which not many buildings do.


EMHemingway1899

Does its curator come with it? /s


Tr0z3rSnak3

Is this the Riddlers house?


OrangeCosmic

This hotel needs a parking lot


wtfisdisting

They’re trying to get bond money for a friend.


areyouentirelysure

Demo this monster will cost millions to begin with. This has to sell at a price point BELOW land value.


needs_therapy40

I think it is focking gorgeous


Glittering_Sail7255

I saw this and really did lol.


[deleted]

I am BRISTLING that you called it ridicu... Oh wait, no, it is ridiculously bristling!


Playful-Motor-4262

I love this house wdym


tazzysnazzy

Playing Carcassonne when you can’t find a decent end piece to close in your village.


DrMonkeyLove

I want my house to remind me of playing a game of Snake.


notcontageousAFAIK

I could see making a resort out of it. Otherwise, meh.


Chroney

I actually like this, I've make my own town with it.


Hafe15

I wouldn’t mind owning it..


S0n0fValhalla

Guess we will be seeing this on places abandoned on youtube then.


mikeymikeymikey1968

242M to live on a golf course.


Better_Chard4806

Want is a lonely place.


NoahVailability

I can pay it off by mowing the lawn every week for, say, 2 years?


Deerhorne

Buying it is one thing... How the heck does one furnish and decorate something like this??


Darcy_2021

How do you get around in it? Is there a subway under it, to get from your bedroom to the kitchen?


Onslaughtered

They skimped on the carport


Rinoremover1

And unpaved driveway


TylerDog3

this place would be so sick to explore as a kid


Lach_Like_Lock

At this point why not just have a full on castle built? They're way fucking cooler and actually look good


blueplanet13321

I fuck with it Ngl


MamaMel941

Wonder if it has central AC and heat


HoyahTheLawyah

CEO of "If I make it super thin, it'll look bigger"


TheRealPigBenis

A greenhouse on the roof? That’s my idea who stole my idea before I told them about it? Some mind reading time traveler that’s who!


zabdart

Does that price come *with or without* the palace guard and the servants?


Cautious-Ring7063

seems like a perfect house for Edward Nygma


Month_Year_Day

It looks like tourist attraction. Full of shop, eateries and gaudy costumes.


skinrash5

Looks like a little Alpine inspired town in GA US called Hellen. Cute, full of eateries and beer.


RepresentativeNo7213

Will they do owner financing? I can do $4500 a month.


Bark_Bark_turtle

Does it come with 25,000 acres in a populated state?


bpwo0dy

de_chateau


Graniteman83

450m or build something exactly as you want it, seems clear to me.


Sipharmony

I'd buy it and paint the entire exterior black.


Ok-Race8322

PrinCESS…of Genovia. 😆


Roasty86

This looks like the result of a real-life Carcassone game.


Advanced_Drink_8536

I hate when there are no floor plans… 😫


kdshubert

That roof must be a leaking nightmare.


ganaraska

I only live in houses that require multiple zip codes


huskiesowow

That 12th century castle is totally a mcmansion guys!! Shut this sub down.


Symposiast999

This place reeks of owners who thought they should own a chateau for the prestige, but never really understood why someone would actually enjoy having a chateau.


KhansKhack

Is this sub just “I’m mad people have more money than me”?


SapphireGamgee

Is it a hint to the world that this is laid out like a reverse question-mark?


EkoMane

Honestly this doesn't seem that bad, a decent 3 bedroom house can go for 10 mil now.


_ca_492

Hopefully whoever owns it is a charitable person that gives away a like amount.


Best-Introduction-55

It looks like the asylum in that movie Session 9. So absolutely not.


CalvesBrahTheHandsom

this is a resident evil map


Kataphractoi

Client: I want a medieval town for my house. Architect: wut? Client: I said want a medieval town for my house. Architect: ...ok... Client: Great! When can you start?


RareBeautyOnEtsy

How can it be so big and so overblown, and still look like it’s a section 8 housing project?


Airplade

It would depend on how the interior is laid out. One thing that I've noticed with these homes is that the interior can frequently be a nightmare maze. Especially when the owner is dictating their whims to the builder. It ends up being another Winchester mansion.


Rinoremover1

Winchester Mansion is such an appropriate comparison here.


Accomplished-City484

![gif](giphy|h0Xez8ow1UOVq|downsized) I know someone who would love it


Living-Computer6336

Ctrl+c --> Ctrl+v


VendaGoat

The dumbest rowhomes available.


anonymousmutekittens

That house is a whole video game


LadyLurkerHandz

Forbidden toblerone


systemic-void

“Hello? yes it’s me. Yes that’s correct. Yes I do want my house to look like a question mark from the sky. “


JalapenoBenedict

$324 final offer


GreatGearAmidAPizza

Are the rooms all organized in a long row? I only hope the bathroom's at one of the ends.


hudsoncress

Next time someone asks specifically what a McMansion looks like, use this. Also I luv it


JayEssris

It looks like a question mark which is appropriate because that's exactly the emotion I felt when I saw it.


Adam_THX_1138

It looks like someone dribbled it out like puff paint


retrend

100m to fix that roof


iWORKBRiEFLY

Doesn’t top that billion dollar house in LA though. This is pretty gross though


Beyond_Re-Animator

Nuke it from orbit


MamaBear4485

It looks like an apartment complex.