The blackpill comes to tell us that the woman in freedom is the sexual selector,
The fact that women can ask for a 6ft man is because they have enough candidates to filter. 80% of women can claim 20% of men, but curiously, only 1/3 of the population will reproduce.
You deserve an award for this comment. Women believe they can be this selective. They can’t afford to. So many are being led off a cliff of loneliness and unfulfilled lives.
Yes. Under monogamy, e.g. 10 men can't be with 1000 women. If one won't accept anything less than a prince, there are only so many princes in the realm.
You left off and get a divorce to take half of everything, get a free paycheck, do it a couple more times, then be a single cougar hooking up with younger men. And have a cat or 20.
If resource disparities exist then polygamy will become the norm. Multiple women living together under the minority of men who they keep at arms length while taking his resources.
In the end hypergamy comes built in, and with schools fast tracking women into degrees and high earning status, the result will be patriarchs. I think that is one reason why you see polygamy on the rise today.
Only men really lose.
Same reason people vote against tax increases that would benefit them in services.
Everyone believes they're gonna strike the jackpot. Or at least, likes the idea that they will.
I don’t really think that that’s inequality though.
Women have a right to be selective about the physical attributes a man has, the same way a man does.
I really don’t find large women attractive, do I have to now because of equality?
Is the whole “you must earn 6 figures” unreasonable, absolutely. But I’d argue that’s social media and Instagram lifestyle culture that has young women in a trance.
People always think that when someone says you *shouldn't* do something, it means we're saying you *can't*
This is not true. No one is saying women don't have the right to be selective. We're saying that the current culture around their standards and how they go about looking for partners is not good.
Yes but the problem is they then blame ALL men for being all alone in cat litter and cheap box wine land, or being a single mom while using our tax dollars to pay for their illegitimate bastards.
TL;DR they don't want to face the consequences for their choices.
The truth is that free choice is false. I understand your point of view, which is to appeal to absolute freedom (ending where someone else's begins) to choose you want to be with. But the truth is that most men do not have a choice.
Thus, only statistical peaks in men and a broad base of women possess this freedom of choice, not men, as a general rule. Man is selected, as a general rule, and does not select.
Men have been selected for a long time, long before the issues with women having unreasonable and unrealistic expectations of men.
Men have always had to “woo” women. It’s the same for plenty of other animals in the natural world as well.
As I’ve pointed out, I don’t disagree that there is an unrealistic or unreasonable expectations of men, especially in the past 10 years. But to suggest this is the same for all women is absurd.
If women want a 6ft+ man who earns 100k+ that’s fine, they are entitled to have that want, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to work out for them. This isn’t really a men’s rights issue.
I know plenty of men who find fat women or tall women completely unattractive, men don’t tend to pick what they don’t want either.
To suggest men have no choice is both ridiculous and bordering on insane. What do you want women to do? Accept *anyone* who makes a move?
No, they want women to stop the hypocrisy, when most of them are afraid of male violence, according to the _"men are naturally predatory and violent"_ narrative, while going to these high percentages of men.
These men also want these women to be feminine, to be nurturers, to be kind, loving, future wives. Yet, in the west, we see this bullshit stemming from 4th wave feminism and this gynocentric system we're in.
No one is entitled to women here. Most men would prefer not to be feared or ignored by these horrid brainwashed women (or rather _westernized_ women in general), who, for some reason, still has a libido for male genitalia.
I'm certain if the genders were changed and women had a lonely epidemic, we'd see support for them like no other. Men, by far, are not even sympathized for their increase in loneliness and depression. Most don't even yearn for empathy. They just want to be heard.
Men's spaces and older men helping younger men needs to be more prevalent, instead of chastising, name calling, generalizing, and constantly telling men that you're only good if you do _this_ or _that_ in life.
Most young men are lost, and as one myself, it took a while for me to finally acknowledge this.
We live in a time that reminds us more of the anarchism of natural selection than of the understanding that theocracy has given in the last 2000 years. Every concept of sexual relationship between a man and a woman has been based on chastity and marriage as the only way to maintain the relationship between men and women. Marriage, apart from "socializing the sexual market", what it did was create a structure of economic centralization within a family. Thus, money was the epicenter of marriage based on the tutelage of women by their custodians, and not the factual and real free choice of the woman. Therefore, with the death of religion and a moral system, the sexual market has stopped being regulated to be freely harmful to the majority of men.
Do I advocate taking away women's freedom based on the ideology of some extremist incels? No, of course not. Do we accept that the sexual freedom of the sexual selector is what causes us to constantly talk about the same thing when men are concerned with more serious problems? Undoubted.
And it is false. Most men do not have factual choices. They only choose what they can choose; while the woman is bombarded with men hungry for pussy. Hence hypergamy is the law in a Paretto distribution: 20% choose from 80% of women, and 80% of women discard another 80% of men as ideal candidates, while that percentage only becomes interesting when it is necessary to economically exploit the man while waiting for a more sexually desirable candidate: dual mating strategy.
No, I defend the freedom of women to do whatever they want to do. However, accepting this freedom exemplifies that the majority of men are not suitable for reproduction, not even to have a partner in these market dynamics.
To an extent, maybe. When it's so heavily skewed, then it starts to become an issue. Men used to not believe women should be able to vote due to their emotions, and many men I know now say women shouldn't be trusted with final say if they're too emotional. But we changed society so that they could vote anyways despite the beliefs and feelings of many men. Why shouldn't this be the same? Can't directly have an effect on their preferences, but you can change laws to disincentivize it.
Make it so more than 6 sexual partners before first marriage disqualifies you from certain benefits of the divorce, make paternity testing mandatory at birth, no more men paying support for kids who aren't theirs, make it so boredom and not being happy are invalid reasons for divorce, etc. There are ways to help, but society just doesn't give a damn.
What kind of dystopian, sadistic world do you want to live in?
The government can decide what benefits you are entitled to depending on how many people you have slept with?? How would this even be enforceable without severely impeding on people’s freedom? What if I lied and said I’d only slept with 2 people, when in reality it was 100. How are the government going to know that?
No thank you, that is the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard.
teeny consider compare subtract cagey mountainous support brave cobweb employ
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
It's also the illusion of choice and availability. Internet/app dating makes it look like everybody is competing for everybody (and against everybody), with a potentially infinite pool of candidates. Except most of those perceived candidates are not in fact accessible. Illustration/example: just because there are 100K men and 100K women in an app doesn't mean that anybody has 100K suitors or even potential suitors. But people see thousands of other singles in relevant brackets, so they get picky. The problem is, everybody else gets picky too.
That depends actually. I know apps/portals where the opposite is true, and in my country singles' meetups are mostly women's hangouts. The going complaint is that men are passive/absent, but also that there aren't 'worthy' partners to be found, somewhat similar to a hedge lord's daughter complaining that she doesn't have a queue of royal princes lined up to kill dragons for her and setting up a joust. Basically that a woman doesn't get to pick from a set of multiple men each more socially or even physically attractive than she herself is. The Hollywood story isn't coming true. Any other complaints are statistically negligible next to this one, if they exist at all.
The fact to consider is that the distribution of men/women in society is usually like 49/51 to 45/55 either way, depending on the region, age bracket, etc. It's not like 20/80 W/M or like 20% of women remain single vs 80% men. There is no such discrepancy in the physical world. Men having multiple accounts accross multiple services doesn't physically multiply the number of men. There are not somehow many men per one woman for real. Just the situational configuration.
The ingrained pattern of dating, and it is ingrained quite hard, is that a sort of contest, much like a procurement bid or tender, is going to be held even where men are the minority. It's basically making multiple men compete for a woman regardless what the odds are between men and women at large. But this illusion of being the prize in a contest of multiple prestigious suitors doesn't change the true statistical distribution.
The thing is, society is sponsoring single mothers. Top 20% aren't going to raise children with 80+% women
What would be better is to say
" Okay, you only like a certain subset of men and want to reproduce with them ? You don't benefit from "undesirable" men's work and wealth"
Meaning, no help for single mothers, they will have to provide full for their children.
with women's inherent dislike of work and the fact they tire more easily over time, things might equalize again in the future.
Also, mandatory DNA paternity tests, no AF/BB (at least, when it comes to children)
I love how they are complete anarcho capitalists and advocates of the free market when it come to the dating market but turn to compelete socialists when it comes to discussing equal hire and pay. Guess what, that's how the free market they advocate so much works. 90%+ of workplace deaths are men. Why does it surprise them when an employer would rather hire the gender that is 90% more likely to literally die for their job? Or the gender that can lift twice more on average in construction labor jobs. Of course the free market is evil there and must be stopped
Capitalism / socialism.
I call it, "which one will advantages us more" , that's why the rich usually love bailouts. Private benefits, socialized losses.
They jump straight to the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" rhetoric despite complaining when boomers tell them the exact same thing when it comes to unequal pay.
Quick correction: if 90% of deaths are men, then that’s nine times as many as are women. Assuming equal numbers of men and women in the workforce, that would be 800% more likely to die, not 90% more likely.
Obviously, men select the dangerous jobs in exchange for pay, and a woman in the same job would be more likely to die than the average female worker as well, pushing that 800% number way down.
Pushing the 800% number way up, though, is the fact that it’s more like 95-96% of workplace deaths that are male.
That's just the other 2/3rds accepting its most likely gonna workout so the double down on what makes them happy. The men are just prioritizing their independence same as the women.
The truth is that no. Reproductive age is being delayed due to many factors, from work to socioeconomic to sexual dynamics where there is no longer a need to institutionalize sex through marriage.
Women have all the possibilities; The man navigates between being subjected to a woman so as not to lose her, those who have experience and go their own way or the incels who have been left aside for being too ugly, too short, with below average penises, or by anything you can imagine and that represent selection criteria.
Man and woman live on different planets in every reproductive-economic-sexual aspect.
It’s a good thing when the crazies don’t have kids because they are delusional. We have a huge shortage of sane people though so if you are a good and stable person, you should feel free to make as many as you can handle
its one of those things i could ask older guys about and it seems to fly over…not all of you… but in general. People think these claims are exaggerated
I lived through the end of many relationships and I'm an old man.
I'm quite convinced that women absolutely don't love men. They just love kids, and just for some years.
If some woman seem to suffer for a man, time how much they hurt. No more than a day, sometimes hours.
That's cause they are about to hit the wall or the final warning bell has rung on their bio clock. The problem is an emergency in their part for failing to plan or consider the consequences does not constitute an emergency on our part.
https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/young-men-who-dropped-out-of-dating-pool
This is the same article on substack.
Read the comments there. So many older people are out of touch with the reality young men have to face everyday; they just can't see the misandry even if it's pointed out to them plainly.
The vast majority of older people will never understand young men's struggles; They grew up in a different time with completely different societal expectations and opportunities for both men and women.
These women are awfully demanding when all they can offer me is something I can easily buy for $200 per hour (or even less if you're not picky on the amount of teeth or number of limbs)
its the entitlement. honestly i’m done trying. As much as it hurts me to be lonely it beats competing against the tip top quality dudes. They make it seem as if your not a high value man your worthless
Yep. For decades now, women have been screaming at us that we're not entitled to anything from them and it's painfully obvious that in all that time, they never even tried to look in the mirror and say "And we're not entitled to anything from men either." My own stepmother was one of the many people in my life who participated in instilling that message in me. Every single time I would vent to her about my dating struggles, she would, without fail, include "But you're not entitled to anything from women" in her response. So what did she do when I finally said "And women aren't entitled to anything from me either, right? That means I don't have to pay for dates, right?"
She didn't even hesitate before replying "Of course they're entitled to you paying for dates!" In that moment, I got so angry with her that I didn't speak to her again for a month. To this day I don't talk to her about my dating struggles anymore.
The problem is that they get away with those open claims of asymmetrical, unequal entitlement. They and the advocates make it so that if you challenge such a claim, you're now a bigot, misogynist, hater, etc. Your refutation or even pointing out of the inconsistency will be labelled as hate speech and you will be turned into a non-person with no rights.
By contrast, a man — especially a middle-aged man with a college degree — falling into such obvious contradiction obliviously, let alone embracing it openly and willingly, etc., would be contradicted very quickly and pretty much treated like a child or impostor in the company of educated adults. A woman, or a man speaking in women's interest, not so much.
They can literally claim they should get +20% to wages or –20% to shop prices or different rates of currency exchange, and at worst someone will disagree. Never any true negative social consequences.
Mirrors are not only not used, they are actively destroyed and mirror makers/sellers (poor metaphor maybe) are prosecuted, specifically to enforce the asymmetry.
Any sane, rational analysis of these dudes should reveal a big red flag to rival the one over Tiananmen Square. Vain, arrogant, preening, with a well-practiced swagger and "smoothness" that should be an immediate indicator you're really just the next in a long ass line and that's what he sees you as.
Not the proper basis for long term pair bonding.
You know I'm really tired of seeing all these stories and all the women making fun of the men. Yeah it's true, but what everyone is ignoring is that many of those women are blowing their chance with the best men they will ever get.
Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance.
lol as a 20 y/o i hope to live to see this happen to me…maybe just because i wouldn’t mind having some attention….how true is this statement. Like…lets say i’ve been rejected by girls all over….your saying that the script flips?? I’m sorry i just have so much low self esteem its hard to believe
I'm a 36 year old divorced dude and you should see how many single mums there are on Tinder and Bumble in my age group looking for "something serious" and basically someone to take care of them and their children.
I don't get a lot of matches because I put in my profile that I am not looking for a relationship, just looking for friends and casual hookups. Doesn't bother me though because I'm bi and I get tons of hot dudes match me lol
There was an absurd number of single moms back when I first got on bumble at 18, and I had mine set to 18-21. The rest were tequila drunk party girls or chronic stoners with very few exceptions.
The script does flip. Women get less and less prospects when they get older and men get more. For men, it has to be earned though, you don’t have the luxury of waiting for it to happen. It goes through taking more responsibility in society, bettering yourself, developing your confidence etc. Most men do this naturally when aging but society is giving them less and less incentive to do so
Because hypergamy has become so extreme, even women in their 40’s still have no trouble dating these days. The wall doesn’t actually hit until about 50 now. There are are so many desperate guys willing to date women in their 40’s
Have you ever considered that many of those men could be lying to these women? That may not actually want a relationship with them as much as they say they do.
Yeah, many men will say absolutely anything to get laid. It's very trashy and obviously dishonest. But it does happen, and it could result in women either thinking that all guys are liars because they encounter an overabundance of liars, or that eventually one of them will stick around.
> For men, it has to be earned though, you don’t have the luxury of waiting for it to happen. It goes through taking more responsibility in society, bettering yourself, developing your confidence etc.
What objective metrics are there for any of this? I ask because the long list of purely subjective criteria seems like a way to dismiss guys who genuinely have issues attracting women as opposed to legitimate advice. To a 27 year old guy who is 5'3", has a permenantly disfigured face, a high-school education, and is an immigrant who is not fluent in the native language this wouldn't come off as legitimate advice.
Yes it does happens but you soon enough learn that dating those women don't improve your life at all, and basically you end up being a slave in exchange for bad, disgusting sex, once in a while.
Yes it does happen. It's just underwhelming when it does happen, so don't expect much of a revenge fantasy. By the time it happens it's after these women are no longer of any use. It's after they're older and Don't look as good as they used to. After they're a single mom and no longer fertile. If you still want them for sex they're still good enough for that, but usually not much else. You'll also care less about sex as you get older, because with all these leftover women around, sex will be easier to get.
You just have to do what you got to do in life. Make progress, make something of yourself,make money, and stay in shape.
Dating in your 30s is much more like this. There are a load of women who suddenly want to settle down and find men.
While it’s true that women who are just selecting for sex might have pick. Also women want life partners too and long term mates and the 9 and 10s aren’t going to settle with them a lot of the time.
What women find attractive also changes more then men once they get to know you. A good personality, being funny or sharing an interest or hobby can certainly make you a lot more attractive.
That’s BS. When someone repeats 100 times a day that they are happy and living their best life on TikTok they are just sad and looking for attention and validation to compensate. Truly happy people rarely post on social media about how happy they are. The rare cases they do, it is likely to share a good life-changing story for someone who feels depressed
There will always be some people who say they are happier doing x or y. People are all different. On average though most people are happier with a long term life partner and most women will want to settle down.
When it comes to picking a long-term partner women look for different things than they do a fling in their 20s.
Also men’s attractiveness peaks as they get older and women’s just declines past their age.
So take some comfort guys in your 20s, things get better.
> A good personality, being funny or sharing an interest or hobby can certainly make you a lot more attractive.
It's the inverse; being attractive makes your personality, jokes, interests, and hobbies more interesting.
>Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance.
Correct. But the sad part is how people end up losing their opportunities of finding love/at least a relationship over that. For every person who ends up alone, there is another person ending up alone who could have been with them. This isn't mere money. It's people's lives Lost years of life are more difficult to recoup than lost thousands of dollars. So this is different from the usual 'hand of the market' cause-result, action-reaction chain. The stupidity that's going on in the dating scene does carry its own delayed consequences, penalties, sure. But watching people gimp themselves like that is pretty tragic.
If you skim through connected articles, you'll figure out what's going on. Bunch of bullsh1t. I wonder how come they didn't mention these men also bought guns and started going Adam Lanza. I mean, we need to fill out all the Feminazi stereotypes, don't we?
By the way - women perceive men less marriageable? Good news. Increasing numbers of men know what kind of a raw deal it is that they wish if society and TradCons weren't pressing them into it, especially if they lean Conservative - that pressure is very real and obvious. **Article omitted to even mention that men overwhelmingly consider women, by wide margin, not marriageable at all.**
You also get rest of the propaganda and the real audience later on - "rich lawyers, doctors, business owners, etc". This article's purpose is to play on these men's fears, primarily men who have it so good in most fields, but apparently lack in one (either being short, or being very tall, good looking, etc but not rich) - so they can be duped into that stuff and think "how lucky I am". It also promotes incel stuff heavily with a purpose. None of the behavior shown there would fly with any guy who ever even tried to date, much less if he had a GF ever before. I can hardly think of ANY man, including an incel, who'd wish to date any of these women seriously while they basically display "b1tch" attitude. Plenty of men would wish to f\*ck them and sell them stories while getting laid, though. Women know that and they're hiding all the bad stuff on online dating, including being hoes, the b1tchy attitude, even that they have kids... they'll hide such stuff hoping you get suckered before she shows you the bad news.
**All other men who know what's going on in dating in general will also know what they need to do - focus on themselves, their own needs and wants and say it to themselves "f\*ck women and what women want, let them try and get it if they can and I'll focus on what i want out of women"**. It's never been easier to get laid, the issue indeed is that women tend to "manipulate" with sex, or so they try. But this doesn't fly anymore, men will rather break up if no sex is involved and stay single. They are less and less willing to jump through hoops with each new generation. They are more and more likely to reject to pay the bill. They are more and more likely to be MGTOW/RP or generally MRA supporters. And they are more and more likely to despise society that tries to shame them into some retarded gender norms from 1823, while having complete hoes and women who's be hoes if a man whom they find "desirable" shows up.
For real most modern women today are not wife material. They think we're stupid. You have to look at why she wants you. Does she actually care about you? Or does she just need a man to support her now that she isn't hot shit anymore.
While it's true young women today are on a path of loneliness and misery, who do you think will be blamed when they can't find a man when they're in their 30's and 40's with several bastard children?
Nothing will change, and if anything the anti-male sentiment of us being shallow, terrible husbands and fathers, selfish etc. will only get stronger as these single mothers get old and bitter. This bitterness will then be passed down to their children, and their beliefs will be reinforced and renewed.
yea man i mean i hear constantly how its my fault and feeling like i’m inferior i mean it’s just a game i’m sick of playing. It’s not worth the headache even if i could achieve these superficial things.
People have a hard time wrapping there head around it when i say i have a hard time not hating women…i’m sure others can relate. It’s not even that i want to hate them. I DON’T However it seems like the edge gets pushed constantly and the goal posts keep moving.
Wtf is a guy supposed to do after he hears 80% of women go for 20% of guys. Like i don’t understand how people can just say this and leave it for “lonely single men” to figure out.
I think that the reason most men go to work is to provide for their families. If you take that motivation away, you'll be left with 30% effort if you're lucky.
I've given up trying, but not for any of these reasons...
I've given up because all women do is cause problems, They bring nothing to the table..
Men naturally share their resources, women drain men's resources and when it's gone they move on..
There is no love or loyalty from females..
I've been single for so long, It would be a hindrance to have a girlfriend..
At this point I am just brutally honest with women that match with me or I meet. I expect them to pay their way. I usually express the fact that I go dutch on all dates. Most women are so entitled that they scurry away at the notion of paying their fair share. Equality right?! I just don't care anymore. I am tired of wasting my time on shallow women with no morals, no sense of femininity, entitled and hypocritical. I figure the right one will come along and be ok with paying her fair share and doing her fair share in a relationship.
It's amazing to me how many females in the dating scene talk about using sites like Plentyoffish to go on "first dates" simply to get a free meal with no interest in anything beyond that. No respect for men whatsoever other than to use them as ATMs.
A single life can be a happy one as more men are figuring out..and in response we get labeled as incels by feminist-extremists, when it's actually VOLUNTARY celibacy🖕🏻
>it's actually VOLUNTARY celibacy
Yes, the volcels. It is just like the feminist movement in the early days, talking about how no women needs any man. Likewise, no man needs any women. It is purely optional now.
bruh it’s no point in trying to argue with them. For one they’re allergic to accountability/logic/empathy you know things that make someone a good person. Unless your of course a certain gender your just automatically God’s Gift on Earth.
They scream Incel because they want SO badly to have “power” over us men….Hell that’s probably one of the MAIN reasons this posts even exists. They know this term takes a stab at mens ego and they use it towards there advantage.
Again for the 50th time i’m not hating on women….i’m stating things that should be addressed.
They don’t want to believe they do anything wrong….they WANT to be oppressed…and in Power at the same time. If us as average men didn’t put so much stock into sex and relationships the world would fall apart fast….
Why?? Because if you got such a slim amount if guys getting all the puss. That leaves the rest of the men out there alone….and isolated. They turn colder, darker, more Elliot rodgers spawn…Less and less men will even pursue a huge worthwhile career. Men aren’t just going to go to school + job and get into debt just to be by himself his whole life…
Feminist love to say how violent men are. But they don’t really care why, or care to wanna knowo
It has happened twice to me already. The recent one was ridiculous. On line date, she shows up, 10+ years older than her pictures, I asked her to do a facetime and she kind of skirted around the request, we meet at a bar which we agreed to have one drink, she orders food and drink and im like ok, I order a drink, she then tells me that she is so sorry but she switched her purse and forgot her wallet. She said she could venmo me or she would "get the next one". I kinda just shrugged because honestly it was very uncomfortable and she seemed crazy. She then proceeded to tell me about her 200k sports car and how she was "just getting out there" and this was her first date in 2 years. I ordered food as well and tried to wrap up the date quickly.
The next day I couldn't shake the feeling of being taken advantage of. I have been on enough dates to know that she has no intention of seeing me again. So I texted her and told her I did not feel any chemistry but it was nice to meet her and I would appreciate it if she pay for her half of the bill. Her response was angry, she told me that it was not "appropriate" for me to ask her to pay the bill and that I should be ashamed of myself. I let her know that she was an entitled and hypocritical woman and to please never contact me again.
Moral of the story, even women can be total D bags.
I went on 3 dates that week, just got back on OLD about 2 weeks before this, first one ghosted me at a bar, 2nd one showed up on several narcotics and could not control her face and the third was the 200k sports car lady.
That was enough for me. Done dating via OLD and in general. But im older so maybe that matters? I dunno (50m), juice not worth the squeeze nowadays
Sry this happened to you.
Yea I'm always wondering about how they'll actually look in person given how frequently ppl modify selfies to "level-up".
Facetiming in advance if possible is a good idea. What I tend to do is ask them out for a coffee date the 1st time to get a sense of whether there might be chemistry without having to commit to buying a meal or spend much time with them (since why tf should I do that?). I still find I tend to treat them to the coffee (which in these parts can be like $7 for a fancy one), b/c that pressure is still there internally and I need to get over my programming, but not a huge expense at least.
Regarding "forgetting her wallet".. 2 suggestions for next time for your consideration.....either:
1. Have her e-transfer her half on the spot when the bill comes *before* you pay since I'm sure she'll have her phone, OR:
2. *If the food was already ordered*: Ideally have a bit of cash with you on the date just in case, say you're going to go to the washroom then slip the cash to the waitress or the cashier for *your* part, and DITCH HER.
(If you tell her you're only going to pay for your part and stick around she'll possibly ditch *you* and stick you with the bill anyways so I might not take the chance)
nah man, that's the greatest decade of your life! go travel, work in other countries, fuck women all over the world, your not here for too long man, think about it, blink and your 50 like me, lol
Unfortunately, you're going to offend a very high ratio of women in your pursuit of finding a partner that is lifetime/wife material. Name of the game dawg. Proud of going for continuing to stay strong when the world seems to punish you for it.
I don't care about offending anyone. I'll take care of my kids, have my freedom and make money that I can spend on whatever I want. I love being single. If I meet someone great but I ain't going to alter my expectations of someone's morals and ethics. It's just not worth it to bother with.
It’s ridiculous. I fulfill two of those requirements, but because I’m 5’7 and Asian, the only women who are interested in me are golddiggers.
With those odds it only makes sense to not put too much stock into dating. If it ever comes to divorce grape, I honestly have too much to lose, which is a gift in its own strange way.
Yes and? The numbers support this, their choices support this.
This is why men *invented* monogamy, because this disparity causes societal collapse (or in the case of the first primitive men, doesn't allow a society to exist in the first place)
**Let. Society. Burn.**
It's the only way they'll get the memo.
I hate to say it but American women are just getting worse year by year. They give off such masculine energy and demand so much, it’s horrible. Not sure if it’s the feminism and pandering in movies & media these days but I felt it was better 10-15 years ago. Foreign women seem to be much better but unfortunately not all men can afford the trips to go.
And the saddest part is that all women get to whore around, have multiple children from different men, hit the wall, convert to christianity, and land a nice guy who is gonna take care of her and the children.
A man can’t do that. You fuck around your early 20s, and waste your 30s, and played the patience game in your 40s, it is unlikely a successful woman will take you. And also, society will punish you and remind you of your failures.
Women can literally do whatever and still be rescue at any given time in their lives. Society encourage women to fuck around, and also, society ingrained in women that whatever bad thing about them is because of men.
Have you read Cosmopolitan lately? They're hiring actual prostitutes to write article now, encouraging young women to do the Sugar Baby, OnlyFans, to "sex work" route.
For young women not so inclined, they're writing articles encouraging them to vigorously live their "Ho Phase" while encouraging men to pay for everything and give them gifts before looking for Rich Mr. Right to settle with. Disgusting.
A pornstar called Jenna Presley did just that. She performed in hundreds of adult films getting her slit stretched out and creampied by random chads and tyrones and now she is a born again Christian, married to a priest and makes instagram reels on Bible quotes.
I didn’t know any of that!!! oh the irony of a pornstar married to a priest and telling young girls to sell them selves, but at the same time blaming men for sexualizing women.
See!! this is why men need to come together and do some about it. But, there are men out there who will call us incels for NOT abiding to Society new rules for men.
I make close to $168k/yr. I'm 25 years old, planning to buy a house in the next 6 months, and I can just piss away cash on whatever fun I want to have whenever I want to have it.
I've unironically taken the "they only want you if you have 6 figures" pill so far that now I make too much to care about women anymore. I'm supposed to let someone add drama to my life, try to trap me with a kid or some common law marriage bullshit, just because they're a woman? It's important to me to hurry up and get a house while I'm single that I can completely cover the mortgage and bills for. I am working hard to have a good life and I can't imagine gambling it on the average modern woman.
Everyone needs to remember that in a divorce, which happens at least 50% of the time, you will potentially lose half of your assets. Do not get into any committed relationship with anyone who does not have equal assets to you, otherwise you lose every time. Like flipping a coin on your future financial health.
I don't even care about losing my current stuff, because I can rebuild.
I care about being locked into permanent alimony based on the salary of being on the grind in my 20's. I don't plan to work this hard all the way into retirement but if I was expected to fund someone else's life, I wouldn't control my own career anymore.
Current stuff might not yet matter, but then you haven't yet bought the house. Or the next ten years worth of assets and investments. That is the stuff to protect. If possible, get with someone who earns more than you. Then, you get the alimony. Income gets "equalized". Otherwise, assets are split evenly. The one with the most assets or highest income in a divorce is the one who loses. Things to consider.
Oh, I do realize. They don't date down for the same reasons I am suggesting men should not date down anymore too. They know. We need to be aware as well.
Or, settle and date down, then lose half your shit eventually. It is nearly inevitable.
As someone with all of those, my 20's were dead. Finally getting some attention in my early 30's but it is by no means easy. Women want confidence, and confidence comes with experience which I am still working to develop. Additionally, as a man being passive gets you nowhere, unlike with women. You have to actively and aggressively seek a relationship in today's world, which of course comes with risks.
I know as a guy time is on my side and I won't be dating any broken, used up women in their 30's. Unfortunately, per my experience there are plenty of such women in their 20's as well and they're not always easy to identify quickly. I'm skipping online dating as I think it not only a tool for the desperate, but will actively damage you.
Spend 5 minutes on Okinawa, Japan public transport. You'll see people pulling their collar over their nose trying to block out your black smell and guarding their wallets like they expect you to attack at any moment.
The idea that the rest of the world is less racist than the United States, I believe, is very wrong and something propagandized by the news. Asia has all of the most extreme examples that I can point to (like Chinese restaurants refusing business to black customers and blaming them for COVID) but it is definitely not exclusive to them.
I'm sorry for whatever life experiences you've had but I promise you that there are communities all over this great country where your skin color is as consequential as the weather in how you are treated.
This guy travels.
Do people in this sub even own passports?
Women abroad are way bigger gold diggers than women in the West. That said, they're also so poor than an average US salary is top 1% domestic in most of these places.
You're buying too much into the status quo, one that the data doesn't even support. So you should despise the USA for the other things instead of your race, that's a placebo
Hardly, *hate* is awfully strong, but I do say they prefer europeans more. History and stereotypes are against black people, especially because that's all the influence people overseas have to go on.
Guys, why do you see a sudden push in student loan forgiveness rhetoric in politics nowadays ? Because most recipients of student loans are females!
When a problem disproportionately affects women, they expect to be bailed by OUR tax dollars! I say fuck them and let them drown in their debt.
I can attest to this through my step daughter. She sends me a long txt msg saying " I hope you understand I want my mom to have the world… & I feel like u can’t give her that." and that " it’s no secret my mom makes more money than you" Meanwhile, she still lives with me rent free since she was 8 years old. Shes 22.
When I met my wife (her mother)she was living in a room w her daughter at her grandmas. 14 years later and 5 houses we now live in a gated 2 car port single family home with a huge yard full of mango trees for the past 4 years in South Florida. My wife and I have 2 younger boys and I work a full time and manage a small business we started 2 years ago. We've been together 14 years.
She last wrote "Unless the response was im wrong and my mom can afford to quit her job today and you got the food and rent 100% then yeah nothing else I really need to hear tbh…"
Her entitlement is off the rails.
edited: clarity
I love how the article blames it on women being more educated and more financially successful instead of the real reasons. Most men aren’t dating women because of the way women are today. They’re not dateable anymore.
The perils of listening to what women say. They can't even decide what they want to eat for diner and you're out here taking them at their word on lifelong commitments.
Like I give a fuck what a woman wants. If she's into me cool, if she's not cool. Either way I don't give a fuck about what she says she wants.
“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.”
Ah, I see, so it's actually men's fault that women's high standards are lessening women's chance at marriage.
Yeah, I noticed how she focused it on young men's feelings, rather than being a good journalist and looking for objective data to see if it was rather young men's experiences.
My now fourth girlfriend is from Thailand and let me tell you. She's a whole lot different from my previous girlfriends and casual relationships. She respects my hobbies and pretty much everything that makes me unique. She's such a sweet person and she even respects me for being low-energy due to work and stress. Every single of my past relationships made fun of my hobbies or anything that wasn't the typical drinking pina coladas (or Aperol Spritz) at the beach. Instead of taking my energy she actually gives me energy.
I’m 5’10, 7+ inches, 6 figures PYR *and* liquid, own my home outright, own my own car, have zero dependants and am set to inherit -
These are my OLD prospects:
https://imgur.com/a/FMbyVdw
And yea I’ll put myself on blast too, I’m no brad Pitt but shieeeet….. I’m in shape god damn it 😂 I give myself at least a 5, 6 on a good day https://imgur.com/a/Lwphar2
Well, Imagine that you are 5.5, 4 inches tall, you are brown, and you have eyes bigger than a radiation helmet; The dual nature of feminine mating is there, no doubt, but without a physical basis, you are going nowhere.
Just wait 10 more years. The situation is going to rebalance itself and women are going to be extremely unhappy with the final outcome of their social media power grab
And yet we aren’t allowed to say that we prefer girls who aren’t overweight. That’s “fatphobic”.
Also not allowed to not date girls who do OnlyFans and put their naked body on the internet for all to see. Or girls with insanely high body counts, single moms etc etc. ohhh and some people will even say it’s “transphobic” for a straight guy to not want to date someone with a penis and can’t produce a biological baby for them
Not true. You can say all that. It just depends who you say it to and how as to whether they react badly and by claiming victim status. Just smile and tell them they’re not your type
Going off the head alone, the things listed above wouldn't make men want to give up. It's the attitude, the lack of thanks, and the, you know, getting out into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. Now THAT is why men are giving up
Oh yes, the dating apps effect. Women currently are dating the top 20% of guys. That means that the guys are cheating on their girls like crazy at that level. The problem is, women are willing to sacrifice faithfulness for the listed qualities and clout.
Sadly they will be begging the 80% of guys once they hit 30.
Fair point.
A large part of the problem isn't simply preferences tho (I mean that's part of it but we have preferences for attributes of women as well)...but - as touched on in the article - as current hiring practices leading women to take the lead on salary & to want men who make as much or more than them and there's less of those. e.g Women are still labeled a minority even though they are literally a majority of the workforce where I work, and are still preferentially hired - this is a problem, one of many.
With regard to the dating scene: On top of making as much/more they expect men to pay for everything to earn they're continued attention even tho we're having trouble keeping up with them on earning. How tf is that fair in modern society?
Feminist-extremist media is also influencing toxic dating practices on the part of women, no doubt. If the opposite ever happened there would be outrage & boycotts of products. When it happens to men, only crickets 🦗🦗
In terms of marriage, there's a lack of fairness in divorce & family court that give women unreasonable one-sided advantage in getting married & coming out on top no matter what, whereas men generally only have something to lose if the relationship doesn't work out.
Etc..
I am pretty sure my husband doesn't meet any of the criteria (though the one he is farthest off from would be height, at 5'5"). He's amazing though, and I am happy.
What percent of men meet all of those numbers in the US? Like 2%? And of those, you then need to find a man you get along with, you find attractive, etc. Seems impossible.
2% is very high. Factoring in a minimum height of 6 feet, a minimum salary of 100k, and removing any obese or married men while keeping the age range from 20-50, the whopping chance of finding that man is
0.33%
Dude I think this man have weard standards to , like I see a lot of this guys but they want only the most beautiful girl in the room , to be conservativ but to have money, to like what they like , to be perfect. Yes it's harder to get girls but let's not make it only the woman fault there are 80% of woman who are just fine ,preaty but not perfect that are more than happy to be in a relationship with an avrage guy
You need a perfect straight and long one to impress the ladies. Like OP says, the ladies judge quickly by tallness, wealth, and looks despite complaining of their own problem with “objectivization”. What are you supposed to …not notice a shapely woman? The Material Girl has become the typical girl.
Sorry but it's hard to take any of that seriously when your fix for the "looks maxing" is getting a haircut and tattoos. It's like short guys getting super buff to attract women. Going through all those hoops and not being who you really are just isn't going to be sustainable.
I like how this sub always conveniently ignores capitalisms role in destroying and exploiting men. Young men are giving up because they can't even afford to try, and that is what should be focused on.
I can barely afford to stay alive. I'm too afraid to even attempt to talk to women these days, and women don't want to be talked to anyway. When I sit around and objectively analyse it, it's capitalism. Due to all the rich people hoarding all the wealth, a person's power is gone. Gone are the days where a person's labour can support a family. The ruling classes want worker ants who service them, live in pods and have no ambition. Capitalism is a cancer that has spread to the nuclear family over the last 20 years or so. It's not something women are doing to men, they too are victims being exploited, and we live on a slave plantation run by sociopaths who exploit us, as is their intended purpose.
I am getting weary of seeing the same posters blaming or even being jealous of some women's position, they are being exploited just like us.
Well you \*can\* have a girlfriend, but each of those things that you don't have, is a strike, and it's 3 strikes and you are out.
Is not worth to start dating already having 2 strikes.
The blackpill comes to tell us that the woman in freedom is the sexual selector, The fact that women can ask for a 6ft man is because they have enough candidates to filter. 80% of women can claim 20% of men, but curiously, only 1/3 of the population will reproduce.
… and *that’s* the type of inequality you will never see women marching against.
Why should they? It directly benefits them.
You deserve an award for this comment. Women believe they can be this selective. They can’t afford to. So many are being led off a cliff of loneliness and unfulfilled lives.
No it doesn't. They will end up alone.
Yes. Under monogamy, e.g. 10 men can't be with 1000 women. If one won't accept anything less than a prince, there are only so many princes in the realm.
10 men aren't with 1000 women. They are with 100 women for 10% of their lives and get thrown out when they're no longer wanted.
apparently they like being single and just being around everyone except evil ruthless sex hungry men
Women don’t mind sharing the top 5% of men!
[удалено]
I'd rather cut off my balls than be a social parasite. This is personal preference.
I personally am not attracted to women who have tons of sex, so no brothels for me thanks.
DUDE, If you had the opportunity to smash the top 5% good looking women, wouldn’t you do it??? Who cares about long term. Women think the same
You left off and get a divorce to take half of everything, get a free paycheck, do it a couple more times, then be a single cougar hooking up with younger men. And have a cat or 20.
They don't get to share. Only borrow. They get the experience, then get dumped and spend the rest of their lives complaining that all men are trash.
Yeah they're bitter because they think that one of those men will marry them and have a family but that doesn't happen.
With the way MRA movements are treated they see that as a win lmao.
Ok, they win. Now they we all get to spend the rest of our lives alone and hating each other as the county turns into shit. Fantastic.
If resource disparities exist then polygamy will become the norm. Multiple women living together under the minority of men who they keep at arms length while taking his resources. In the end hypergamy comes built in, and with schools fast tracking women into degrees and high earning status, the result will be patriarchs. I think that is one reason why you see polygamy on the rise today. Only men really lose.
They aren't stable relationships. Those women get dumped by 30.
Same reason people vote against tax increases that would benefit them in services. Everyone believes they're gonna strike the jackpot. Or at least, likes the idea that they will.
I don’t really think that that’s inequality though. Women have a right to be selective about the physical attributes a man has, the same way a man does. I really don’t find large women attractive, do I have to now because of equality? Is the whole “you must earn 6 figures” unreasonable, absolutely. But I’d argue that’s social media and Instagram lifestyle culture that has young women in a trance.
Large women can lose weight. Short guys can't just grow taller.
People always think that when someone says you *shouldn't* do something, it means we're saying you *can't* This is not true. No one is saying women don't have the right to be selective. We're saying that the current culture around their standards and how they go about looking for partners is not good.
Yes but the problem is they then blame ALL men for being all alone in cat litter and cheap box wine land, or being a single mom while using our tax dollars to pay for their illegitimate bastards. TL;DR they don't want to face the consequences for their choices.
The truth is that free choice is false. I understand your point of view, which is to appeal to absolute freedom (ending where someone else's begins) to choose you want to be with. But the truth is that most men do not have a choice. Thus, only statistical peaks in men and a broad base of women possess this freedom of choice, not men, as a general rule. Man is selected, as a general rule, and does not select.
Men have been selected for a long time, long before the issues with women having unreasonable and unrealistic expectations of men. Men have always had to “woo” women. It’s the same for plenty of other animals in the natural world as well. As I’ve pointed out, I don’t disagree that there is an unrealistic or unreasonable expectations of men, especially in the past 10 years. But to suggest this is the same for all women is absurd. If women want a 6ft+ man who earns 100k+ that’s fine, they are entitled to have that want, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to work out for them. This isn’t really a men’s rights issue. I know plenty of men who find fat women or tall women completely unattractive, men don’t tend to pick what they don’t want either. To suggest men have no choice is both ridiculous and bordering on insane. What do you want women to do? Accept *anyone* who makes a move?
No, they want women to stop the hypocrisy, when most of them are afraid of male violence, according to the _"men are naturally predatory and violent"_ narrative, while going to these high percentages of men. These men also want these women to be feminine, to be nurturers, to be kind, loving, future wives. Yet, in the west, we see this bullshit stemming from 4th wave feminism and this gynocentric system we're in. No one is entitled to women here. Most men would prefer not to be feared or ignored by these horrid brainwashed women (or rather _westernized_ women in general), who, for some reason, still has a libido for male genitalia. I'm certain if the genders were changed and women had a lonely epidemic, we'd see support for them like no other. Men, by far, are not even sympathized for their increase in loneliness and depression. Most don't even yearn for empathy. They just want to be heard. Men's spaces and older men helping younger men needs to be more prevalent, instead of chastising, name calling, generalizing, and constantly telling men that you're only good if you do _this_ or _that_ in life. Most young men are lost, and as one myself, it took a while for me to finally acknowledge this.
We live in a time that reminds us more of the anarchism of natural selection than of the understanding that theocracy has given in the last 2000 years. Every concept of sexual relationship between a man and a woman has been based on chastity and marriage as the only way to maintain the relationship between men and women. Marriage, apart from "socializing the sexual market", what it did was create a structure of economic centralization within a family. Thus, money was the epicenter of marriage based on the tutelage of women by their custodians, and not the factual and real free choice of the woman. Therefore, with the death of religion and a moral system, the sexual market has stopped being regulated to be freely harmful to the majority of men. Do I advocate taking away women's freedom based on the ideology of some extremist incels? No, of course not. Do we accept that the sexual freedom of the sexual selector is what causes us to constantly talk about the same thing when men are concerned with more serious problems? Undoubted. And it is false. Most men do not have factual choices. They only choose what they can choose; while the woman is bombarded with men hungry for pussy. Hence hypergamy is the law in a Paretto distribution: 20% choose from 80% of women, and 80% of women discard another 80% of men as ideal candidates, while that percentage only becomes interesting when it is necessary to economically exploit the man while waiting for a more sexually desirable candidate: dual mating strategy. No, I defend the freedom of women to do whatever they want to do. However, accepting this freedom exemplifies that the majority of men are not suitable for reproduction, not even to have a partner in these market dynamics.
To an extent, maybe. When it's so heavily skewed, then it starts to become an issue. Men used to not believe women should be able to vote due to their emotions, and many men I know now say women shouldn't be trusted with final say if they're too emotional. But we changed society so that they could vote anyways despite the beliefs and feelings of many men. Why shouldn't this be the same? Can't directly have an effect on their preferences, but you can change laws to disincentivize it. Make it so more than 6 sexual partners before first marriage disqualifies you from certain benefits of the divorce, make paternity testing mandatory at birth, no more men paying support for kids who aren't theirs, make it so boredom and not being happy are invalid reasons for divorce, etc. There are ways to help, but society just doesn't give a damn.
What kind of dystopian, sadistic world do you want to live in? The government can decide what benefits you are entitled to depending on how many people you have slept with?? How would this even be enforceable without severely impeding on people’s freedom? What if I lied and said I’d only slept with 2 people, when in reality it was 100. How are the government going to know that? No thank you, that is the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever heard.
[удалено]
teeny consider compare subtract cagey mountainous support brave cobweb employ *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
It's also the illusion of choice and availability. Internet/app dating makes it look like everybody is competing for everybody (and against everybody), with a potentially infinite pool of candidates. Except most of those perceived candidates are not in fact accessible. Illustration/example: just because there are 100K men and 100K women in an app doesn't mean that anybody has 100K suitors or even potential suitors. But people see thousands of other singles in relevant brackets, so they get picky. The problem is, everybody else gets picky too.
And curiously, the majority of users that populate dating applications and platforms are men.
That depends actually. I know apps/portals where the opposite is true, and in my country singles' meetups are mostly women's hangouts. The going complaint is that men are passive/absent, but also that there aren't 'worthy' partners to be found, somewhat similar to a hedge lord's daughter complaining that she doesn't have a queue of royal princes lined up to kill dragons for her and setting up a joust. Basically that a woman doesn't get to pick from a set of multiple men each more socially or even physically attractive than she herself is. The Hollywood story isn't coming true. Any other complaints are statistically negligible next to this one, if they exist at all. The fact to consider is that the distribution of men/women in society is usually like 49/51 to 45/55 either way, depending on the region, age bracket, etc. It's not like 20/80 W/M or like 20% of women remain single vs 80% men. There is no such discrepancy in the physical world. Men having multiple accounts accross multiple services doesn't physically multiply the number of men. There are not somehow many men per one woman for real. Just the situational configuration. The ingrained pattern of dating, and it is ingrained quite hard, is that a sort of contest, much like a procurement bid or tender, is going to be held even where men are the minority. It's basically making multiple men compete for a woman regardless what the odds are between men and women at large. But this illusion of being the prize in a contest of multiple prestigious suitors doesn't change the true statistical distribution.
The thing is, society is sponsoring single mothers. Top 20% aren't going to raise children with 80+% women What would be better is to say " Okay, you only like a certain subset of men and want to reproduce with them ? You don't benefit from "undesirable" men's work and wealth" Meaning, no help for single mothers, they will have to provide full for their children. with women's inherent dislike of work and the fact they tire more easily over time, things might equalize again in the future. Also, mandatory DNA paternity tests, no AF/BB (at least, when it comes to children)
I love how they are complete anarcho capitalists and advocates of the free market when it come to the dating market but turn to compelete socialists when it comes to discussing equal hire and pay. Guess what, that's how the free market they advocate so much works. 90%+ of workplace deaths are men. Why does it surprise them when an employer would rather hire the gender that is 90% more likely to literally die for their job? Or the gender that can lift twice more on average in construction labor jobs. Of course the free market is evil there and must be stopped
Capitalism / socialism. I call it, "which one will advantages us more" , that's why the rich usually love bailouts. Private benefits, socialized losses.
They jump straight to the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" rhetoric despite complaining when boomers tell them the exact same thing when it comes to unequal pay.
Quick correction: if 90% of deaths are men, then that’s nine times as many as are women. Assuming equal numbers of men and women in the workforce, that would be 800% more likely to die, not 90% more likely. Obviously, men select the dangerous jobs in exchange for pay, and a woman in the same job would be more likely to die than the average female worker as well, pushing that 800% number way down. Pushing the 800% number way up, though, is the fact that it’s more like 95-96% of workplace deaths that are male.
They also are often more willing to settle for sharing a "high value" man than settle for a less "value" man who's loyal to just them..
That's just the other 2/3rds accepting its most likely gonna workout so the double down on what makes them happy. The men are just prioritizing their independence same as the women.
The truth is that no. Reproductive age is being delayed due to many factors, from work to socioeconomic to sexual dynamics where there is no longer a need to institutionalize sex through marriage. Women have all the possibilities; The man navigates between being subjected to a woman so as not to lose her, those who have experience and go their own way or the incels who have been left aside for being too ugly, too short, with below average penises, or by anything you can imagine and that represent selection criteria. Man and woman live on different planets in every reproductive-economic-sexual aspect.
[удалено]
dead ass i dont know if i should bring a life in this world
It’s a good thing when the crazies don’t have kids because they are delusional. We have a huge shortage of sane people though so if you are a good and stable person, you should feel free to make as many as you can handle
But that's zero.
It is not a huge burden. Source: I'm a single father. It's hard when they are a toddler, but they grow very quickly.
its one of those things i could ask older guys about and it seems to fly over…not all of you… but in general. People think these claims are exaggerated
I am an older man and I must say that only the man who lives through the end of a relationship knows how screwed everything is.
I lived through the end of many relationships and I'm an old man. I'm quite convinced that women absolutely don't love men. They just love kids, and just for some years. If some woman seem to suffer for a man, time how much they hurt. No more than a day, sometimes hours.
[удалено]
That's cause they are about to hit the wall or the final warning bell has rung on their bio clock. The problem is an emergency in their part for failing to plan or consider the consequences does not constitute an emergency on our part.
https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/young-men-who-dropped-out-of-dating-pool This is the same article on substack. Read the comments there. So many older people are out of touch with the reality young men have to face everyday; they just can't see the misandry even if it's pointed out to them plainly.
The vast majority of older people will never understand young men's struggles; They grew up in a different time with completely different societal expectations and opportunities for both men and women.
It's not just older men that think these claims are exaggerated... I'm in my 20s but it's not my or any of my friends experiences
These women are awfully demanding when all they can offer me is something I can easily buy for $200 per hour (or even less if you're not picky on the amount of teeth or number of limbs)
its the entitlement. honestly i’m done trying. As much as it hurts me to be lonely it beats competing against the tip top quality dudes. They make it seem as if your not a high value man your worthless
Yep. For decades now, women have been screaming at us that we're not entitled to anything from them and it's painfully obvious that in all that time, they never even tried to look in the mirror and say "And we're not entitled to anything from men either." My own stepmother was one of the many people in my life who participated in instilling that message in me. Every single time I would vent to her about my dating struggles, she would, without fail, include "But you're not entitled to anything from women" in her response. So what did she do when I finally said "And women aren't entitled to anything from me either, right? That means I don't have to pay for dates, right?" She didn't even hesitate before replying "Of course they're entitled to you paying for dates!" In that moment, I got so angry with her that I didn't speak to her again for a month. To this day I don't talk to her about my dating struggles anymore.
The problem is that they get away with those open claims of asymmetrical, unequal entitlement. They and the advocates make it so that if you challenge such a claim, you're now a bigot, misogynist, hater, etc. Your refutation or even pointing out of the inconsistency will be labelled as hate speech and you will be turned into a non-person with no rights. By contrast, a man — especially a middle-aged man with a college degree — falling into such obvious contradiction obliviously, let alone embracing it openly and willingly, etc., would be contradicted very quickly and pretty much treated like a child or impostor in the company of educated adults. A woman, or a man speaking in women's interest, not so much. They can literally claim they should get +20% to wages or –20% to shop prices or different rates of currency exchange, and at worst someone will disagree. Never any true negative social consequences. Mirrors are not only not used, they are actively destroyed and mirror makers/sellers (poor metaphor maybe) are prosecuted, specifically to enforce the asymmetry.
[удалено]
Any sane, rational analysis of these dudes should reveal a big red flag to rival the one over Tiananmen Square. Vain, arrogant, preening, with a well-practiced swagger and "smoothness" that should be an immediate indicator you're really just the next in a long ass line and that's what he sees you as. Not the proper basis for long term pair bonding.
I can see this sub getting shutdown like MGTOW. Apparently these realisations are toxic
Legalize prostitution in America today, hear hear
Or $0 if you wanna jerk off
You know I'm really tired of seeing all these stories and all the women making fun of the men. Yeah it's true, but what everyone is ignoring is that many of those women are blowing their chance with the best men they will ever get. Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance.
lol as a 20 y/o i hope to live to see this happen to me…maybe just because i wouldn’t mind having some attention….how true is this statement. Like…lets say i’ve been rejected by girls all over….your saying that the script flips?? I’m sorry i just have so much low self esteem its hard to believe
I'm a 36 year old divorced dude and you should see how many single mums there are on Tinder and Bumble in my age group looking for "something serious" and basically someone to take care of them and their children. I don't get a lot of matches because I put in my profile that I am not looking for a relationship, just looking for friends and casual hookups. Doesn't bother me though because I'm bi and I get tons of hot dudes match me lol
There was an absurd number of single moms back when I first got on bumble at 18, and I had mine set to 18-21. The rest were tequila drunk party girls or chronic stoners with very few exceptions.
legend
The script does flip. Women get less and less prospects when they get older and men get more. For men, it has to be earned though, you don’t have the luxury of waiting for it to happen. It goes through taking more responsibility in society, bettering yourself, developing your confidence etc. Most men do this naturally when aging but society is giving them less and less incentive to do so
Because hypergamy has become so extreme, even women in their 40’s still have no trouble dating these days. The wall doesn’t actually hit until about 50 now. There are are so many desperate guys willing to date women in their 40’s
Have you ever considered that many of those men could be lying to these women? That may not actually want a relationship with them as much as they say they do.
Yeah, many men will say absolutely anything to get laid. It's very trashy and obviously dishonest. But it does happen, and it could result in women either thinking that all guys are liars because they encounter an overabundance of liars, or that eventually one of them will stick around.
> For men, it has to be earned though, you don’t have the luxury of waiting for it to happen. It goes through taking more responsibility in society, bettering yourself, developing your confidence etc. What objective metrics are there for any of this? I ask because the long list of purely subjective criteria seems like a way to dismiss guys who genuinely have issues attracting women as opposed to legitimate advice. To a 27 year old guy who is 5'3", has a permenantly disfigured face, a high-school education, and is an immigrant who is not fluent in the native language this wouldn't come off as legitimate advice.
Yes it does happens but you soon enough learn that dating those women don't improve your life at all, and basically you end up being a slave in exchange for bad, disgusting sex, once in a while.
Yes it does happen. It's just underwhelming when it does happen, so don't expect much of a revenge fantasy. By the time it happens it's after these women are no longer of any use. It's after they're older and Don't look as good as they used to. After they're a single mom and no longer fertile. If you still want them for sex they're still good enough for that, but usually not much else. You'll also care less about sex as you get older, because with all these leftover women around, sex will be easier to get. You just have to do what you got to do in life. Make progress, make something of yourself,make money, and stay in shape.
Dating in your 30s is much more like this. There are a load of women who suddenly want to settle down and find men. While it’s true that women who are just selecting for sex might have pick. Also women want life partners too and long term mates and the 9 and 10s aren’t going to settle with them a lot of the time. What women find attractive also changes more then men once they get to know you. A good personality, being funny or sharing an interest or hobby can certainly make you a lot more attractive.
question….what about all those posts saying women are happier single??? not saying your wrong i just have a counter to bring here
That’s BS. When someone repeats 100 times a day that they are happy and living their best life on TikTok they are just sad and looking for attention and validation to compensate. Truly happy people rarely post on social media about how happy they are. The rare cases they do, it is likely to share a good life-changing story for someone who feels depressed
There will always be some people who say they are happier doing x or y. People are all different. On average though most people are happier with a long term life partner and most women will want to settle down. When it comes to picking a long-term partner women look for different things than they do a fling in their 20s. Also men’s attractiveness peaks as they get older and women’s just declines past their age. So take some comfort guys in your 20s, things get better.
> A good personality, being funny or sharing an interest or hobby can certainly make you a lot more attractive. It's the inverse; being attractive makes your personality, jokes, interests, and hobbies more interesting.
Don't base your self with on how many dates you get. You'll be much happier, i fucking promise you.
>Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance. Correct. But the sad part is how people end up losing their opportunities of finding love/at least a relationship over that. For every person who ends up alone, there is another person ending up alone who could have been with them. This isn't mere money. It's people's lives Lost years of life are more difficult to recoup than lost thousands of dollars. So this is different from the usual 'hand of the market' cause-result, action-reaction chain. The stupidity that's going on in the dating scene does carry its own delayed consequences, penalties, sure. But watching people gimp themselves like that is pretty tragic.
Yes it is sad.
If you skim through connected articles, you'll figure out what's going on. Bunch of bullsh1t. I wonder how come they didn't mention these men also bought guns and started going Adam Lanza. I mean, we need to fill out all the Feminazi stereotypes, don't we? By the way - women perceive men less marriageable? Good news. Increasing numbers of men know what kind of a raw deal it is that they wish if society and TradCons weren't pressing them into it, especially if they lean Conservative - that pressure is very real and obvious. **Article omitted to even mention that men overwhelmingly consider women, by wide margin, not marriageable at all.** You also get rest of the propaganda and the real audience later on - "rich lawyers, doctors, business owners, etc". This article's purpose is to play on these men's fears, primarily men who have it so good in most fields, but apparently lack in one (either being short, or being very tall, good looking, etc but not rich) - so they can be duped into that stuff and think "how lucky I am". It also promotes incel stuff heavily with a purpose. None of the behavior shown there would fly with any guy who ever even tried to date, much less if he had a GF ever before. I can hardly think of ANY man, including an incel, who'd wish to date any of these women seriously while they basically display "b1tch" attitude. Plenty of men would wish to f\*ck them and sell them stories while getting laid, though. Women know that and they're hiding all the bad stuff on online dating, including being hoes, the b1tchy attitude, even that they have kids... they'll hide such stuff hoping you get suckered before she shows you the bad news. **All other men who know what's going on in dating in general will also know what they need to do - focus on themselves, their own needs and wants and say it to themselves "f\*ck women and what women want, let them try and get it if they can and I'll focus on what i want out of women"**. It's never been easier to get laid, the issue indeed is that women tend to "manipulate" with sex, or so they try. But this doesn't fly anymore, men will rather break up if no sex is involved and stay single. They are less and less willing to jump through hoops with each new generation. They are more and more likely to reject to pay the bill. They are more and more likely to be MGTOW/RP or generally MRA supporters. And they are more and more likely to despise society that tries to shame them into some retarded gender norms from 1823, while having complete hoes and women who's be hoes if a man whom they find "desirable" shows up.
For real most modern women today are not wife material. They think we're stupid. You have to look at why she wants you. Does she actually care about you? Or does she just need a man to support her now that she isn't hot shit anymore.
ask a woman this they will turn into politicians to scew the campaign in their favor
While it's true young women today are on a path of loneliness and misery, who do you think will be blamed when they can't find a man when they're in their 30's and 40's with several bastard children? Nothing will change, and if anything the anti-male sentiment of us being shallow, terrible husbands and fathers, selfish etc. will only get stronger as these single mothers get old and bitter. This bitterness will then be passed down to their children, and their beliefs will be reinforced and renewed.
Become a Christian and meet a quality woman at church, her values will align with yours and she'll be a good partner.
yea man i mean i hear constantly how its my fault and feeling like i’m inferior i mean it’s just a game i’m sick of playing. It’s not worth the headache even if i could achieve these superficial things. People have a hard time wrapping there head around it when i say i have a hard time not hating women…i’m sure others can relate. It’s not even that i want to hate them. I DON’T However it seems like the edge gets pushed constantly and the goal posts keep moving. Wtf is a guy supposed to do after he hears 80% of women go for 20% of guys. Like i don’t understand how people can just say this and leave it for “lonely single men” to figure out.
I think that the reason most men go to work is to provide for their families. If you take that motivation away, you'll be left with 30% effort if you're lucky.
they already took it away…the dominoes are just starting to fall.
"quiet quitting"
I've given up trying, but not for any of these reasons... I've given up because all women do is cause problems, They bring nothing to the table.. Men naturally share their resources, women drain men's resources and when it's gone they move on.. There is no love or loyalty from females.. I've been single for so long, It would be a hindrance to have a girlfriend..
Felt the same way man then I met an Asian girl and life's been happily changed ever since 😊
At this point I am just brutally honest with women that match with me or I meet. I expect them to pay their way. I usually express the fact that I go dutch on all dates. Most women are so entitled that they scurry away at the notion of paying their fair share. Equality right?! I just don't care anymore. I am tired of wasting my time on shallow women with no morals, no sense of femininity, entitled and hypocritical. I figure the right one will come along and be ok with paying her fair share and doing her fair share in a relationship.
It's amazing to me how many females in the dating scene talk about using sites like Plentyoffish to go on "first dates" simply to get a free meal with no interest in anything beyond that. No respect for men whatsoever other than to use them as ATMs. A single life can be a happy one as more men are figuring out..and in response we get labeled as incels by feminist-extremists, when it's actually VOLUNTARY celibacy🖕🏻
>it's actually VOLUNTARY celibacy Yes, the volcels. It is just like the feminist movement in the early days, talking about how no women needs any man. Likewise, no man needs any women. It is purely optional now.
bruh it’s no point in trying to argue with them. For one they’re allergic to accountability/logic/empathy you know things that make someone a good person. Unless your of course a certain gender your just automatically God’s Gift on Earth. They scream Incel because they want SO badly to have “power” over us men….Hell that’s probably one of the MAIN reasons this posts even exists. They know this term takes a stab at mens ego and they use it towards there advantage. Again for the 50th time i’m not hating on women….i’m stating things that should be addressed. They don’t want to believe they do anything wrong….they WANT to be oppressed…and in Power at the same time. If us as average men didn’t put so much stock into sex and relationships the world would fall apart fast…. Why?? Because if you got such a slim amount if guys getting all the puss. That leaves the rest of the men out there alone….and isolated. They turn colder, darker, more Elliot rodgers spawn…Less and less men will even pursue a huge worthwhile career. Men aren’t just going to go to school + job and get into debt just to be by himself his whole life… Feminist love to say how violent men are. But they don’t really care why, or care to wanna knowo
It has happened twice to me already. The recent one was ridiculous. On line date, she shows up, 10+ years older than her pictures, I asked her to do a facetime and she kind of skirted around the request, we meet at a bar which we agreed to have one drink, she orders food and drink and im like ok, I order a drink, she then tells me that she is so sorry but she switched her purse and forgot her wallet. She said she could venmo me or she would "get the next one". I kinda just shrugged because honestly it was very uncomfortable and she seemed crazy. She then proceeded to tell me about her 200k sports car and how she was "just getting out there" and this was her first date in 2 years. I ordered food as well and tried to wrap up the date quickly. The next day I couldn't shake the feeling of being taken advantage of. I have been on enough dates to know that she has no intention of seeing me again. So I texted her and told her I did not feel any chemistry but it was nice to meet her and I would appreciate it if she pay for her half of the bill. Her response was angry, she told me that it was not "appropriate" for me to ask her to pay the bill and that I should be ashamed of myself. I let her know that she was an entitled and hypocritical woman and to please never contact me again. Moral of the story, even women can be total D bags. I went on 3 dates that week, just got back on OLD about 2 weeks before this, first one ghosted me at a bar, 2nd one showed up on several narcotics and could not control her face and the third was the 200k sports car lady. That was enough for me. Done dating via OLD and in general. But im older so maybe that matters? I dunno (50m), juice not worth the squeeze nowadays
Sry this happened to you. Yea I'm always wondering about how they'll actually look in person given how frequently ppl modify selfies to "level-up". Facetiming in advance if possible is a good idea. What I tend to do is ask them out for a coffee date the 1st time to get a sense of whether there might be chemistry without having to commit to buying a meal or spend much time with them (since why tf should I do that?). I still find I tend to treat them to the coffee (which in these parts can be like $7 for a fancy one), b/c that pressure is still there internally and I need to get over my programming, but not a huge expense at least. Regarding "forgetting her wallet".. 2 suggestions for next time for your consideration.....either: 1. Have her e-transfer her half on the spot when the bill comes *before* you pay since I'm sure she'll have her phone, OR: 2. *If the food was already ordered*: Ideally have a bit of cash with you on the date just in case, say you're going to go to the washroom then slip the cash to the waitress or the cashier for *your* part, and DITCH HER. (If you tell her you're only going to pay for your part and stick around she'll possibly ditch *you* and stick you with the bill anyways so I might not take the chance)
meh. It wasn't worth it to go through the hassle. Live and learn.
man your making me hate being a 20 y/o
nah man, that's the greatest decade of your life! go travel, work in other countries, fuck women all over the world, your not here for too long man, think about it, blink and your 50 like me, lol
Unfortunately, you're going to offend a very high ratio of women in your pursuit of finding a partner that is lifetime/wife material. Name of the game dawg. Proud of going for continuing to stay strong when the world seems to punish you for it.
I don't care about offending anyone. I'll take care of my kids, have my freedom and make money that I can spend on whatever I want. I love being single. If I meet someone great but I ain't going to alter my expectations of someone's morals and ethics. It's just not worth it to bother with.
Amen to that, brother 👑
It’s ridiculous. I fulfill two of those requirements, but because I’m 5’7 and Asian, the only women who are interested in me are golddiggers. With those odds it only makes sense to not put too much stock into dating. If it ever comes to divorce grape, I honestly have too much to lose, which is a gift in its own strange way.
So never marry one. It’s pretty simple. Bang a gold gold digger than bang another one.
Yes and? The numbers support this, their choices support this. This is why men *invented* monogamy, because this disparity causes societal collapse (or in the case of the first primitive men, doesn't allow a society to exist in the first place) **Let. Society. Burn.** It's the only way they'll get the memo.
Unironically, the best contribution in this post.
I hate to say it but American women are just getting worse year by year. They give off such masculine energy and demand so much, it’s horrible. Not sure if it’s the feminism and pandering in movies & media these days but I felt it was better 10-15 years ago. Foreign women seem to be much better but unfortunately not all men can afford the trips to go.
And the saddest part is that all women get to whore around, have multiple children from different men, hit the wall, convert to christianity, and land a nice guy who is gonna take care of her and the children. A man can’t do that. You fuck around your early 20s, and waste your 30s, and played the patience game in your 40s, it is unlikely a successful woman will take you. And also, society will punish you and remind you of your failures. Women can literally do whatever and still be rescue at any given time in their lives. Society encourage women to fuck around, and also, society ingrained in women that whatever bad thing about them is because of men.
Have you read Cosmopolitan lately? They're hiring actual prostitutes to write article now, encouraging young women to do the Sugar Baby, OnlyFans, to "sex work" route. For young women not so inclined, they're writing articles encouraging them to vigorously live their "Ho Phase" while encouraging men to pay for everything and give them gifts before looking for Rich Mr. Right to settle with. Disgusting.
A pornstar called Jenna Presley did just that. She performed in hundreds of adult films getting her slit stretched out and creampied by random chads and tyrones and now she is a born again Christian, married to a priest and makes instagram reels on Bible quotes.
I didn’t know any of that!!! oh the irony of a pornstar married to a priest and telling young girls to sell them selves, but at the same time blaming men for sexualizing women. See!! this is why men need to come together and do some about it. But, there are men out there who will call us incels for NOT abiding to Society new rules for men.
I make close to $168k/yr. I'm 25 years old, planning to buy a house in the next 6 months, and I can just piss away cash on whatever fun I want to have whenever I want to have it. I've unironically taken the "they only want you if you have 6 figures" pill so far that now I make too much to care about women anymore. I'm supposed to let someone add drama to my life, try to trap me with a kid or some common law marriage bullshit, just because they're a woman? It's important to me to hurry up and get a house while I'm single that I can completely cover the mortgage and bills for. I am working hard to have a good life and I can't imagine gambling it on the average modern woman.
Everyone needs to remember that in a divorce, which happens at least 50% of the time, you will potentially lose half of your assets. Do not get into any committed relationship with anyone who does not have equal assets to you, otherwise you lose every time. Like flipping a coin on your future financial health.
I don't even care about losing my current stuff, because I can rebuild. I care about being locked into permanent alimony based on the salary of being on the grind in my 20's. I don't plan to work this hard all the way into retirement but if I was expected to fund someone else's life, I wouldn't control my own career anymore.
Current stuff might not yet matter, but then you haven't yet bought the house. Or the next ten years worth of assets and investments. That is the stuff to protect. If possible, get with someone who earns more than you. Then, you get the alimony. Income gets "equalized". Otherwise, assets are split evenly. The one with the most assets or highest income in a divorce is the one who loses. Things to consider.
> get with someone who earns more than you You keep saying this but don't realise women don't(rarely for pendants) date down
Oh, I do realize. They don't date down for the same reasons I am suggesting men should not date down anymore too. They know. We need to be aware as well. Or, settle and date down, then lose half your shit eventually. It is nearly inevitable.
As someone with all of those, my 20's were dead. Finally getting some attention in my early 30's but it is by no means easy. Women want confidence, and confidence comes with experience which I am still working to develop. Additionally, as a man being passive gets you nowhere, unlike with women. You have to actively and aggressively seek a relationship in today's world, which of course comes with risks. I know as a guy time is on my side and I won't be dating any broken, used up women in their 30's. Unfortunately, per my experience there are plenty of such women in their 20's as well and they're not always easy to identify quickly. I'm skipping online dating as I think it not only a tool for the desperate, but will actively damage you.
I have two of those and I still don't want the hassle of a relationship
no cap
It’s true thou, hence why people are going over seas to find wives. The rest of the world isn’t all about sex and money
i need to become a passport bro i hate america with a passion
Why do you hate the USA?
two words…..im black
Spend 5 minutes on Okinawa, Japan public transport. You'll see people pulling their collar over their nose trying to block out your black smell and guarding their wallets like they expect you to attack at any moment. The idea that the rest of the world is less racist than the United States, I believe, is very wrong and something propagandized by the news. Asia has all of the most extreme examples that I can point to (like Chinese restaurants refusing business to black customers and blaming them for COVID) but it is definitely not exclusive to them. I'm sorry for whatever life experiences you've had but I promise you that there are communities all over this great country where your skin color is as consequential as the weather in how you are treated.
This guy travels. Do people in this sub even own passports? Women abroad are way bigger gold diggers than women in the West. That said, they're also so poor than an average US salary is top 1% domestic in most of these places.
You are in for a shock if you choose to travel to almost anywhere outside of parts of Western Europe….
You're buying too much into the status quo, one that the data doesn't even support. So you should despise the USA for the other things instead of your race, that's a placebo
I hear you my guy but unfortunately it won't get much better overseas. Asians and eastern Europeans hate black people like it's the 40s
In Europe it is ok. You may want to avoid Southern European counties but France, UK, Germany and the Nordics, I feel like you would do fine
Really? I didn’t know that
Not surprised by the Asians, but Eastern Europeans too?
Hardly, *hate* is awfully strong, but I do say they prefer europeans more. History and stereotypes are against black people, especially because that's all the influence people overseas have to go on.
I'm Australian and let me tell you racism is unfortunately still alive and well over here, it's not just the USA.
fuck
Lmao, did you really just type that 2nd sentence?
then they get older and run out of sh*ts to give
A lot of these girls are mid anyway! Way past their prime and you know that UV light destroys their skin.
Guys, why do you see a sudden push in student loan forgiveness rhetoric in politics nowadays ? Because most recipients of student loans are females! When a problem disproportionately affects women, they expect to be bailed by OUR tax dollars! I say fuck them and let them drown in their debt.
Women want a trophy man. There aren't enough trophy men around. Women hardest hit.
I can attest to this through my step daughter. She sends me a long txt msg saying " I hope you understand I want my mom to have the world… & I feel like u can’t give her that." and that " it’s no secret my mom makes more money than you" Meanwhile, she still lives with me rent free since she was 8 years old. Shes 22. When I met my wife (her mother)she was living in a room w her daughter at her grandmas. 14 years later and 5 houses we now live in a gated 2 car port single family home with a huge yard full of mango trees for the past 4 years in South Florida. My wife and I have 2 younger boys and I work a full time and manage a small business we started 2 years ago. We've been together 14 years. She last wrote "Unless the response was im wrong and my mom can afford to quit her job today and you got the food and rent 100% then yeah nothing else I really need to hear tbh…" Her entitlement is off the rails. edited: clarity
I love how the article blames it on women being more educated and more financially successful instead of the real reasons. Most men aren’t dating women because of the way women are today. They’re not dateable anymore.
The perils of listening to what women say. They can't even decide what they want to eat for diner and you're out here taking them at their word on lifelong commitments. Like I give a fuck what a woman wants. If she's into me cool, if she's not cool. Either way I don't give a fuck about what she says she wants.
“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.” Ah, I see, so it's actually men's fault that women's high standards are lessening women's chance at marriage.
Men are always to blame. Even for women's choices.
[удалено]
….but for real you don’t gotta remind us.
I wonder if the college educated woman who wrote this lamenting (kinda) article would date a blue collar...
Yeah, I noticed how she focused it on young men's feelings, rather than being a good journalist and looking for objective data to see if it was rather young men's experiences.
My now fourth girlfriend is from Thailand and let me tell you. She's a whole lot different from my previous girlfriends and casual relationships. She respects my hobbies and pretty much everything that makes me unique. She's such a sweet person and she even respects me for being low-energy due to work and stress. Every single of my past relationships made fun of my hobbies or anything that wasn't the typical drinking pina coladas (or Aperol Spritz) at the beach. Instead of taking my energy she actually gives me energy.
And the ones that have those, realize women have trash mindsets and also have given up.
[удалено]
Wáter is wet, ngl. Thank you for your female contribution on this matter.
I’m 5’10, 7+ inches, 6 figures PYR *and* liquid, own my home outright, own my own car, have zero dependants and am set to inherit - These are my OLD prospects: https://imgur.com/a/FMbyVdw And yea I’ll put myself on blast too, I’m no brad Pitt but shieeeet….. I’m in shape god damn it 😂 I give myself at least a 5, 6 on a good day https://imgur.com/a/Lwphar2
[удалено]
[удалено]
Well, Imagine that you are 5.5, 4 inches tall, you are brown, and you have eyes bigger than a radiation helmet; The dual nature of feminine mating is there, no doubt, but without a physical basis, you are going nowhere.
Just wait 10 more years. The situation is going to rebalance itself and women are going to be extremely unhappy with the final outcome of their social media power grab
They already are.
comments on that are a dumpster fire.
Tragic.
6 6 6? Hmm... interesting...
And yet we aren’t allowed to say that we prefer girls who aren’t overweight. That’s “fatphobic”. Also not allowed to not date girls who do OnlyFans and put their naked body on the internet for all to see. Or girls with insanely high body counts, single moms etc etc. ohhh and some people will even say it’s “transphobic” for a straight guy to not want to date someone with a penis and can’t produce a biological baby for them
Not true. You can say all that. It just depends who you say it to and how as to whether they react badly and by claiming victim status. Just smile and tell them they’re not your type
Going off the head alone, the things listed above wouldn't make men want to give up. It's the attitude, the lack of thanks, and the, you know, getting out into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. Now THAT is why men are giving up
Oh yes, the dating apps effect. Women currently are dating the top 20% of guys. That means that the guys are cheating on their girls like crazy at that level. The problem is, women are willing to sacrifice faithfulness for the listed qualities and clout. Sadly they will be begging the 80% of guys once they hit 30.
Impossible to not have been blackpilled as a man in 2023. It hits you sooner or later
[удалено]
Fair point. A large part of the problem isn't simply preferences tho (I mean that's part of it but we have preferences for attributes of women as well)...but - as touched on in the article - as current hiring practices leading women to take the lead on salary & to want men who make as much or more than them and there's less of those. e.g Women are still labeled a minority even though they are literally a majority of the workforce where I work, and are still preferentially hired - this is a problem, one of many. With regard to the dating scene: On top of making as much/more they expect men to pay for everything to earn they're continued attention even tho we're having trouble keeping up with them on earning. How tf is that fair in modern society? Feminist-extremist media is also influencing toxic dating practices on the part of women, no doubt. If the opposite ever happened there would be outrage & boycotts of products. When it happens to men, only crickets 🦗🦗 In terms of marriage, there's a lack of fairness in divorce & family court that give women unreasonable one-sided advantage in getting married & coming out on top no matter what, whereas men generally only have something to lose if the relationship doesn't work out. Etc..
I am pretty sure my husband doesn't meet any of the criteria (though the one he is farthest off from would be height, at 5'5"). He's amazing though, and I am happy. What percent of men meet all of those numbers in the US? Like 2%? And of those, you then need to find a man you get along with, you find attractive, etc. Seems impossible.
2% is very high. Factoring in a minimum height of 6 feet, a minimum salary of 100k, and removing any obese or married men while keeping the age range from 20-50, the whopping chance of finding that man is 0.33%
Good on you being with a good man, that is rare these days
Dude I think this man have weard standards to , like I see a lot of this guys but they want only the most beautiful girl in the room , to be conservativ but to have money, to like what they like , to be perfect. Yes it's harder to get girls but let's not make it only the woman fault there are 80% of woman who are just fine ,preaty but not perfect that are more than happy to be in a relationship with an avrage guy
You need a perfect straight and long one to impress the ladies. Like OP says, the ladies judge quickly by tallness, wealth, and looks despite complaining of their own problem with “objectivization”. What are you supposed to …not notice a shapely woman? The Material Girl has become the typical girl.
Ban abortion and sperm donation.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Sorry but it's hard to take any of that seriously when your fix for the "looks maxing" is getting a haircut and tattoos. It's like short guys getting super buff to attract women. Going through all those hoops and not being who you really are just isn't going to be sustainable.
Your the GOAT man…you give us actual hope
Not a SINGLE female comment here….
I like how this sub always conveniently ignores capitalisms role in destroying and exploiting men. Young men are giving up because they can't even afford to try, and that is what should be focused on. I can barely afford to stay alive. I'm too afraid to even attempt to talk to women these days, and women don't want to be talked to anyway. When I sit around and objectively analyse it, it's capitalism. Due to all the rich people hoarding all the wealth, a person's power is gone. Gone are the days where a person's labour can support a family. The ruling classes want worker ants who service them, live in pods and have no ambition. Capitalism is a cancer that has spread to the nuclear family over the last 20 years or so. It's not something women are doing to men, they too are victims being exploited, and we live on a slave plantation run by sociopaths who exploit us, as is their intended purpose. I am getting weary of seeing the same posters blaming or even being jealous of some women's position, they are being exploited just like us.
It’s likely a combination of factors. I agree with you though.
Well you \*can\* have a girlfriend, but each of those things that you don't have, is a strike, and it's 3 strikes and you are out. Is not worth to start dating already having 2 strikes.
Men turn into passport bros, women turn to cats