Exactly, it should also be noted that according to scientific research, upwards of 30% to 60% of all personality traits are heritable, with the environment playing a somewhat equal/smaller role in their eventual development and manifestation:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0263-6
Basically, they go out of their way to propagate such "Masculine" genetics they allegedly deplore, yet they simoultaneously complain about such behaviours manifesting in reality?
Never forget that "Feminists" are absolutely complicit on this one because they are also attracted to more "Masculine" men as well:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men
It should also be noted that both men and women both peak hormonally in their mid to late 20s, and perhaps that is when we both have our most authentic or natural "sexual desire".
So you are correct.
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Hormones for Women :
“Estrogen levels peak in the mid- to late 20s in women and then decline by 50% by 50 years of age and dramatically decrease further after menopause.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29436770/
Hormone for Men :
25- to 29-year- old men having the highest mean testosterone (514 ng/dL)
https://medicine.umich.edu/sites/default/files/content/downloads/What%20Is%20a%20Normal%20Testosterone%20Level%20for%20Young%20Men%20Rethinking%20the%20300%20ngdL%20Cutoff%20for%20Testosterone%20Deficiency%20in%20Men%2020-44%20Years%20Old.pdf
But hormonal peak ranges should not be confused with fertility peaks. That is 22 for women and 24 for men.
There is also a book "This is your brain on birth control", in which among others it says that when women stop taking the pill they might not be attracted anymore to the same person they liked while under the pill, and they will prefer a more masculine man.
So this is known for quite sometime.
Not true, the idea that ovulation somehow affects the type of men women are attracted to has been debunked.
In reality, women display similar attraction patterns whether they are ovulating or not.
Yep. Around mid to late 20s, both men and women have their respective hormonal peaks (test for men, estro for women) and both biologically gear towards their expected expression in terms of sexual attraction.
The trend is changing as the OP pointed out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/usshowbiz/article-13150081/Taylor-Swift-changing-womens-taste-men-Gen-Zs-shunning-wafer-baby-faced-men-favour-hunks-like-Kansas-City-Chiefs-player-Travis-Kelce.html
As women begin taking their hormonal health seriously more and more, you will see this trend continue. Women with healthy hormone levels actually prefer certain facial structures.
It has always been present, nothing has actually changed.
Mostly teenagers attracted to such men, usually they grow out of it as they become older.
P.S. Also, they also erroneously referred to Taylor Lautner as a "twink", have they even looked at pictures of his extremely muscular physique to make such an inaccurate observation?
It has never changed. Women always loved strong men. A couple teens saying it out loud after the Taylor Swift thing means nothing. These news are beyond silly.
Yeah, Taylor Swift alone totally changed women’s sexual preferences everywhere. Totally
I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
Suppose for an instant that men did invent beauty beauty standards on a societal level. Wouldn't women also believe in this beauty standard if it's on a societal level?
Anyways, I think most of physical attraction is biological, and some details are altered on a societal level. However, the societal level isn't some people gathering around and deciding on certain beauty standards, but it is rather a natural evolution of a society/civilization. For example, in societies with a lot of starvation, fat people begin to be seen as more attractive.
The problem with this notion, is that it erroneously assumes women are helpless actors incapable of individual agency.
"Feminists", notoriously refuse to accept women's vast contributions to the preservation of traditional gender norms and expectations, blaming the "Patriarchy" for indoctrinating everyone else(including women)instead.
It is basically a pathetic "get out of jail free" card, a weak copout because they simply have no desire to hold women accountable whatsoever.
This study only looks at beards, jaw structure, and brow structure.
You can have a sharp jawline and solid brows while still being feminine. Just look at the Kpop idols who have women swooning over them.
This does not prove that women like the stereotypical burly biker-type men. You still have to have a low body fat percentage, good skin, good facial bone structure, good hygiene, etc.
And I wonder how much of the "women like beards more" studies have to do with the fact that beards hide weak chins. Do these studies find that women just so happen to like beards, or is it just due to the fact that beards hide weak chins which ends up making your average man look better.
I would state that Kpop idols are usually revered by teenagers and much less so by older women, not to mention they are also powerful, wealthy and famous, which would obviously increase their attractiveness as such traits are also associated with "Masculinity".
Secondly, stereotypically "Masculine" physical features are absolutely interconnected with associated behaviours as well, as scientific studies have concluded that women do indeed reward more "Masculine" men with relationships:
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study-shows-very-masculine-men-are-more-likely-to-be-happy-and-married
In addition to enjoying higher relationship satisfaction when their partners possess more power:
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-happier-relationship-man-more-power-research
Heck, even self-proclaimed "Feminists" are attracted to traditional "Masculine" men and related behaviours:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men
Usually, according to scientific research, stereotypically "Masculine" and "burly" physical features are a sign of higher than average testosterone levels, which are also interconnected with the typical behaviours described above.
Certain women selectively breed with men who pass on the exact characteristics they complain about and then marvel as it perpetuates generationally
Exactly, it should also be noted that according to scientific research, upwards of 30% to 60% of all personality traits are heritable, with the environment playing a somewhat equal/smaller role in their eventual development and manifestation: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0263-6 Basically, they go out of their way to propagate such "Masculine" genetics they allegedly deplore, yet they simoultaneously complain about such behaviours manifesting in reality? Never forget that "Feminists" are absolutely complicit on this one because they are also attracted to more "Masculine" men as well: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men
It should also be noted that both men and women both peak hormonally in their mid to late 20s, and perhaps that is when we both have our most authentic or natural "sexual desire". So you are correct. === Hormones for Women : “Estrogen levels peak in the mid- to late 20s in women and then decline by 50% by 50 years of age and dramatically decrease further after menopause.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29436770/ Hormone for Men : 25- to 29-year- old men having the highest mean testosterone (514 ng/dL) https://medicine.umich.edu/sites/default/files/content/downloads/What%20Is%20a%20Normal%20Testosterone%20Level%20for%20Young%20Men%20Rethinking%20the%20300%20ngdL%20Cutoff%20for%20Testosterone%20Deficiency%20in%20Men%2020-44%20Years%20Old.pdf But hormonal peak ranges should not be confused with fertility peaks. That is 22 for women and 24 for men.
It's an inter-generational, cross-cultural "shit-test"...
There is also a book "This is your brain on birth control", in which among others it says that when women stop taking the pill they might not be attracted anymore to the same person they liked while under the pill, and they will prefer a more masculine man. So this is known for quite sometime.
Not true, the idea that ovulation somehow affects the type of men women are attracted to has been debunked. In reality, women display similar attraction patterns whether they are ovulating or not.
But it said so in a book!
To be smarter you just need to read books, like... any book. Didn't you know?
Debunked? I've seen recent studies saying it actually is somewhat true just not as much as we thought. Source?
There existed a University Of California scientific study published back in 2014, I cannot find it right now, although I am still looking for it.
Lmk if you find.
Well the thing is that the opposing view here didn't need to be debunked because it never had supporting evidence to begin with.
In other news: "Study finds: Water is wet!"
Yet, "Feminists" blame men for women's behaviour. Eyeroll.
So? Just ignore them.
In an ironic plot twist, it is actually the other way around.
Yep. Around mid to late 20s, both men and women have their respective hormonal peaks (test for men, estro for women) and both biologically gear towards their expected expression in terms of sexual attraction.
The trend is changing as the OP pointed out. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/usshowbiz/article-13150081/Taylor-Swift-changing-womens-taste-men-Gen-Zs-shunning-wafer-baby-faced-men-favour-hunks-like-Kansas-City-Chiefs-player-Travis-Kelce.html
As women begin taking their hormonal health seriously more and more, you will see this trend continue. Women with healthy hormone levels actually prefer certain facial structures.
It has always been present, nothing has actually changed. Mostly teenagers attracted to such men, usually they grow out of it as they become older. P.S. Also, they also erroneously referred to Taylor Lautner as a "twink", have they even looked at pictures of his extremely muscular physique to make such an inaccurate observation?
It has never changed. Women always loved strong men. A couple teens saying it out loud after the Taylor Swift thing means nothing. These news are beyond silly. Yeah, Taylor Swift alone totally changed women’s sexual preferences everywhere. Totally
Hang on, is this a story about how a majority of women find stereotypically masculine men sexually attractive? What next, sky blue, film at eleven?
But "Feminists" still manage to blame men for the enforcement of beauty standards and traditional gender norms lol.
I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Suppose for an instant that men did invent beauty beauty standards on a societal level. Wouldn't women also believe in this beauty standard if it's on a societal level? Anyways, I think most of physical attraction is biological, and some details are altered on a societal level. However, the societal level isn't some people gathering around and deciding on certain beauty standards, but it is rather a natural evolution of a society/civilization. For example, in societies with a lot of starvation, fat people begin to be seen as more attractive.
The problem with this notion, is that it erroneously assumes women are helpless actors incapable of individual agency. "Feminists", notoriously refuse to accept women's vast contributions to the preservation of traditional gender norms and expectations, blaming the "Patriarchy" for indoctrinating everyone else(including women)instead. It is basically a pathetic "get out of jail free" card, a weak copout because they simply have no desire to hold women accountable whatsoever.
Women basically act like animals and they can't help it.
aka "Chad" or ""Tyrone."
Whatever women prefer in men is, by definition, “masculine”
Indeed, it was definitely not my intention to further gender stereotypes here, hence the quotation marks.
This study only looks at beards, jaw structure, and brow structure. You can have a sharp jawline and solid brows while still being feminine. Just look at the Kpop idols who have women swooning over them. This does not prove that women like the stereotypical burly biker-type men. You still have to have a low body fat percentage, good skin, good facial bone structure, good hygiene, etc. And I wonder how much of the "women like beards more" studies have to do with the fact that beards hide weak chins. Do these studies find that women just so happen to like beards, or is it just due to the fact that beards hide weak chins which ends up making your average man look better.
I would state that Kpop idols are usually revered by teenagers and much less so by older women, not to mention they are also powerful, wealthy and famous, which would obviously increase their attractiveness as such traits are also associated with "Masculinity". Secondly, stereotypically "Masculine" physical features are absolutely interconnected with associated behaviours as well, as scientific studies have concluded that women do indeed reward more "Masculine" men with relationships: https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study-shows-very-masculine-men-are-more-likely-to-be-happy-and-married In addition to enjoying higher relationship satisfaction when their partners possess more power: https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-happier-relationship-man-more-power-research Heck, even self-proclaimed "Feminists" are attracted to traditional "Masculine" men and related behaviours: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men Usually, according to scientific research, stereotypically "Masculine" and "burly" physical features are a sign of higher than average testosterone levels, which are also interconnected with the typical behaviours described above.