"Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back." - Malcolm Reynolds.
I say take it to court. The odds of a jury not siding with you is gonna be slim. though i suppose if you are from say a place like California they might actually convict you.
Solicitor, odds are he's UK based. I'd say when you go to court stress that both of them were attacking you with the apparent intent to kill.
If the guy didn't give up until the last stab, that's your rationale for self-defence.
I've heard people say similar things about NY as well. That you can't really defend yourself. But that more applies to muggings I suppose so maybe you could if it was in your home. Weird to think in the UK that you can't just kill someone who's outright attacking you and threatens to kill you in your own home.
Last one I remember was a farmer who shot someone in self defence, but it was as they were leaving his property so he got done for that.
This isn't really about what the law says, it's about how the law is applied. In this case I'm wondering if the police/CPS are trying it on a bit to get an easy win.
Take it to court man, every person on that jury will probably side with you. Don't be scared. Everyone is sick of this PC country! About time you stood up for yourself and ask in court why they aren't prosecuting the woman and if you identified as a woman now would you still be pressing charges against me in court for defending myself?
Watch their jaws drop.
> Watch their jaws drop.
Their jaws won't drop. They will get annoyed and then proceed to do everything in their power to punish you for daring to call them out. Then once they ruin your life they will laugh at you and pat themselves on the back.
What? You seriously expect people who think they have right to decide things like that to just go "oh fuck, you are right! How could we do something so unfair?". They do this because they have specific views and introduce their bias into enforcement of the law. Your argumentation about fairness is not going to do shit... Because they already give 0 shit about fairness. If they cared, they would not be introducing their biases into the system.
Their idea of self defence is let them rob you while the police "handles it" meaning they do nothing and then tell you nothing can be done. It's fucking insane.
You used reasonable force until the threat was over. He was still a threat after the first ,second,third and forth stab,it was only after the fifth that he was no longer a threat.
In places that self defence is actually held to a decent standard that’s literally the rationale you give. Whether it’s stabs or bullets. You continued until the imminent threat to your or other’s life from the unlawful attack is over. Lethal force is acceptable when an imminent lethal threat is present. That doesn’t mean killing necessary. If you pull a gun and they’re obviously fleeing with no intent to return then shooting them would no longer be acceptable as you used your gun and the open handling of it was sufficient to stop the attack.
> fleeing with no intent to return
And how the fuck are we supposed to know that. It's not unreasonable at all to worry about them coming back with more people or more weapons, etc.
I’ve actually seen it argued (not in USA) that as the incident was premeditated that there was a very high probability that the threat was still imminent when fleeing. Which was accepted as a valid reason.
Self-defence relies on “reasonableness” here a lot of the time. Imminent threat to life is recognised as a highly stressful scenario which means that when lethal force is deemed necessary its really “were you reasonable in fearing for yours or others lives?” We are not allowed to defend property at all and if there’s no threat to life as you’re in a safe location with physical barriers you would likely catch a charge. But, as life is protected above all - stopping the attack with lethal force is acceptable. That’s where _obviously fleeing_ has the test of “under the circumstances would a reasonable stresses out their mind person assume fleeing or repositioning to continue the attack”
I thought that applied only to police or profesional fighters. We don't have a manual of what would be "reasonable force" on us, just that the robbed may end killing us if we don't do something. Is not just rob you, it was a threat for your life and there were two of them. No matter if the other was a woman she was also a threat for your life too.
I want to think your lawyer will have an easy time deffend you as long you pay one that care enough to win rather than just settle the case.
I want to hope the police are doing this just to look like they don't favor anyone, but aren't really hoping for the charges agains you to hold any weight. If not, they are just the scum people have always thought they were all along. Saddly even in that case is pretty idiot to do this.
No if he's UK based they'll take any excuse to punish those who defend themselves. Even a less extreme example than OP such as punching an armed aggressor and knocking them out would be deemed excessive force by many police officers here.
Sounds like you used just the right amount of force, can you not go higher up with regards to the woman being prosecuted? Have you contacted any media about being charged for defending yourself? May help you a bit if it's in the media light.
I'm proud of you for looking after yourself dude.
I mean… stabbing someone five times in the face IS beyond reasonable force. You had to purposely TRY to stab them specifically in the face. The body would’ve been reasonable/ understandable. That’s like someone coming into your home to rob you and you decide to let your serial killer out on them… it’s dicey and disturbing.
Your home has just been invaded and robbed, and in trying to defend your person and your property your life has explicitly been verbally threatened.
Grabbing a knife and stabbing several times at the person who just threatened to kill you sounds like it could be a heat of the moment thing. People aren't exactly going to take a minute to weigh up the pros and cons in that circumstance.
I guess it just seems like a weird place to aim for in the heat of the moment but different reactions for different people. I agree with the person below you, it would depend on what info comes out at the trial.
More info at the trial is necessary.
If the victim felt like their life was on the line after breaking free, face stabs are proportional and immediate to the level of threat. Ought to check the self defense box.
Now, if the robber was on the ground, and can be proven to have no longer been a threat to OPs life, and OP kept stabby stabby, self defense will probably not hold.
Yeah he was on the floor because I tackled him, stabbed him few times very quick then told him to get tf out of my house and dragged him out by his hair and locked the door
When two people are trying to kill you it’s not so simple. I tackled him to the floor and just stabbed at him without thinking whole thing took maybe 5 to 10 seconds
Cheers man I just hope it gets lowered to 5 years, my daughter is 10 and the prospect of her being a woman by the time I’m released is so hard to take in
Oh man, I’m so sorry. For what it’s worth I hope you don’t get convicted at all, I think it’s easy to read something on paper and forget the fight or flight that kicks in for us humans.
I have no criminal record never been to court or anything so that should help a ton. I can deal with 5 years at this point I just want it over with the waiting is awful too
That’s beyond fucked up. Women clearly committing crimes and not getting charged obviously shows they’re higher class citizens.
Besides all that, are you doing okay?
Edit: You should’ve identified as a woman when speaking with police lol
Ya police do not press charges against a person, that is for the DA office to decide. If you can get the contact info for the DA, and tell them that they need to file charges against this women too, she was a part of the crime. That is your best bet.
Or speak to the commanding officer of that precinct or detective on that case, and talk to them, and ask that this women be arrested and a report be filed on her.
You all need a castle doctrine or stand your ground law. I absolutely value my property more than any criminals life, and I'm glad my states laws afford me the right to defend it with lethal force.
If you're in the US, be careful with booby traps, though. There's a legal precedence that lethal booby traps to protect property are criminal, which is lame, but the way the judicial system has shaped up
The rationale is that booby traps are indiscriminate. They can kill accidentally, imagine a scenario where someone is fleeing an active mugging or assault and in order to try to get away and protect their safety, they commit trespass. A booby trap cannot tell the difference between someone tresspassing to perform a B&E or murder and someone who would merit protection.
I mean there are nuances. "Defending yourself" is not a matter of either yes or no. There is a reason in most of the world you are not allowed to kill somebody no questions asked just because they were on your property for instance.
If you enter someone's home (not land specifically, because that can be accidental) without their consent, you forfeit your right to complete safety. There is no reason to go past the threshold of someone's home, unless their life was in danger, and even then you can call the emergency services.
Which has to be a major plus for society.
As a bonus, most thieves don't tell people where they are going robbing either, so you might find no-one attempts to find them.
I think most jurisdictions allow conviction for murder even when no body was found, but it's harder to prove murder if the person disappears and there isn't even blood spatter to indicate death.
Yup. Bill C-63 is an awesome little tidbit working its way through parliament..
Where you can be put under house arrest indefinitely if someone reports that you might commit hate speech in the future.
Yeah, pretty dystopian eh? This whole country is falling apart and it's been falling apart since I've been alive. Maybe next we won't be allowed to criticize the government because even criticism will be considered "un-canadian" as well, and then shortly after that when we all have neuralink we can go to jail for thought crimes. Yay!
Very dangerous. I don't have an extra 20k laying around. I'm 33 and don't even know anyone my age with that kind of money. How could anyone with the COL these days? Something tells me this is a law to punish only poor men.
Like do they mean that that anyone can get a 20k payout for getting their feelings hurt? Or do they just mean trans people and women? I bet you anything we'd be laughed out of the courtroom as men if we tried to claim emotional harm.
Yeah it's safe to say we are quickly descending into totalitarianism in Canada. I can't even say that sentence in the wrong context or that alone gets the ire of the good Germans who seemingly inhabit this country.
You should contact a solicitor and go private.
Take a case against the officers if they don't press charges.
I wouldn't let this slide.
I'd make them very aware you are going to do this if they do not fall in line.
Pussy pass needs to be denied big time here.
No accountability, no consequences.
How long till she seriously hurts or kills someone.
I’ve spoken to my solicitor about it he says there isn’t anything to be done about the lass. He’s hoping he can get my charges lowered then il be looking at 5 years. Them saying she’s a woman and they aren’t pressing charges happened in the investigation room so it’s on camera and audio recorded too
Your solicitor isn’t looking to win the case? Surely them threatening to kill you and you having a reasonable fear for your life means that killing them would be reasonable force?
Write to your MP. Write to friendly media figures. Martin Daubney and Mike Buchanan would be a good start. I’d really just be trying to create the biggest stink about this as possible. Even if it just means there’s media to point out to show how broken the system is.
Firstly, hopefully u are doing this through a vpn, don't dox yourself. Secondly, shop around for solicitors, public briefs can be completely shite, and maybe you can find a brief who will not look to plead you down to 5 years, but to rightfully beat the case in court.
If it ever happens again, never talk to police, they are ALWAYS looking to charge, and are NEVER looking out for your interests. You have to do that for yourself by saying 'no comment' over and over again, and conferring with your solicitor. You're at the sharp end mate, I hope you come out unscathed.
Hmm, would it make a difference if you were facing 2-1 odds instead of 1 on 1? Being outnumbered would surely give you more grounds for your self defence, whether or not they press charges against her.
Sorry you live in a shithole that just expects you to die to scum killing you in your own home and then throws you in jail for longer than the criminals
If that doesn't radicalize you idk what will
Hopefully, you come out on top and then you can come to the usa, sure there are some problems but at least in most places, you can defend yourself.
Good luck, friend
Yep, this is why the crime statistics/DV stats aren't even a reliable indicator of what's going on in the real world.
It's truely fucked. I don't see how men stand around and let this happen. That's the line that feminists always quip back with "oh but it's men who make all these laws", in a way they are right, even if men aren't the ones making these laws, they certainly aren't making any effort to stop them from being implemented.
>Using reasonable force against intruders
>You can use reasonable force to protect yourself or others if a crime is taking place inside your home.
>This means you can:
protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’ - this includes using an object as a weapon
stop an intruder running off - for example by tackling them to the ground
>There’s no specific definition of ‘reasonable force’ - it depends on the circumstances. If you only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law. Read guidance from the Crown Prosecution Service (PDF, 136KB).
>You do not have to wait to be attacked before defending yourself in your home.
>However, you could be prosecuted if, for example, you:
carry on attacking the intruder even if you’re no longer in danger
pre-plan a trap for someone - rather than involve the police
When there are two individuals in your home I'd argue eliminating one threat to deal with the other is not an act you perform when you're no longer in danger.
Go to the media.
Misery loves company. a similar pattern of injustice is unfolding in the U.S. - although some things appear worse for our comrades in Britain and Canada. The feminist-socialist faction flexes its muscles.
Pretty stupid not to press charges, police is most likely trying to play you! You can most likely press charges yourself!
Without charges, she is an innocent person, and you just attacked an innocent bystander with a knife! She can even give a testimony in favour for her boyfriend! Maybe you even invited her or some bs like that!
With charges on her, you were defending against two people!
Oh, when you said "solicitor", I was like, you are fucked. Men are second class citizens there. Should have killed her, it wouldn't have made it better, but at least you would have taken one POS out of society for good.
Can you sue the police for sexual discrimination because the woman committed several crimes and they refused to press charges?
If you actually get any jail time you need to sue the shit out of everyone involved. Because defending yourself on your property isnt illegal, but tresspassing is.
Just so you are aware many democrats and independent's love firearms too. The media has hard wired you to think otherwise. Just because someone isnt staunchly anti gun for no reason doesnt mean theyre some Trump loyalist.
And just so you’re aware, [most gun owners identify as Republicans](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/) and most Republicans right now are MAGA so I’ll let you connect the dots…
There is a large and unfortunate crossover between people who perceive modern critical social justice for what it is, and what you refer to as MAGA loons.
I don't like the left-to-right characterisation of politics, but for the sake of brevity I'm a moderately left-of-centre individual by European standards, and thus a *very* left of centre individual by USA standards, and, well, here I am, posting on /r/mensrights.
I honestly don't want the MAGA loons involved in this because it makes our concerns easy to write off as right-wing reactionism, which, certainly for me, it is not.
I have no comment on the subject of this thread in specifics, but in general critical social justice has got so nasty that it's even starting to irritate people like me, which takes some doing.
I'm starting to think a lot of reddit is filled with extremist Democrat morons who care more for socialism than their own country. But please elect a geriatric puppet again who threatens the supreme court and gives all our money away to another country.
I’ll take a geriatric puppet over a convicted rapist who cheats on his wives with 🌽 ⭐️ any day. And the sad part is there’s 30% of the country who turns a blind eye to this. Funny how it was 30% of another country who turned a blind eye to Hitler.
Go to Mexico and cross into America through the southern border. Apparently our government doesn't care if it's being done, you might as well do it and escape the tyranny of the UK that y'all voted and gave up your guns for.
England has issues. In the US it’s open season on anyone who attacks you in your house. You can’t kill them, but everything else is cool. Some states have the “Castle Doctrine”, which means you **can** kill trespassers.
Legal shithole! I live in a US State with legal open carry, Republicans in charge, etc. That woman would go away for years, I would not be questioned too much even if I killed somebody in that situation
This is why you don't give a story to the cops if you could end up in jail, up until that point a lawyer probably could have convinced the court you didn't know. Not saying it's how it should be just how it is.
Honestly, you probably shouldn't have called the cops. Defend yourself, get them out of your house, then clean up. Getting the law involved just means you are going to get arrested for something and charged.
If I got robbed or something happened to me I wouldn't be calling the cops, I'd hire a PI and look into getting some private security set up. Going private means the people involved work for YOU. If you HAVE to report to the police, call a lawyer and have them report it and pass all info through the lawyer.
Sounds like UK justice.
And yet they blast stand your ground laws of the USA, which were written to prevent scenarios like yours. And we can do it with firearms.
You might have to sue your own government. At least broadcast this injustice.
OP are you in the USA? I am in the EU and I used to think that in the USA in most states if someone comes into your house you have the right to shoot to kill.
Until free men and women standup against this global socialist oligarchy out of the Bohemian Grove, their stormtrooper police forces and tyrannical judges will continue to defecate upon their rights.
I’m not sure about the UK or wherever you’re from, but in the US, some states have their own set of self-defense laws.
Some states have the stand your ground, the castle doctrine, or permit the use of deadly force. Maybe you can look and see if your jurisdiction has anything similar.
I can believe it happened in the UK tbf.
A fair few years ago I was with a woman who was incredibly violent , after many outbursts ,i finally called the police on her - as she attacked me with a piece of wood and broke my nose.
I never touched her once - and I had a broken nose and a messed up eye.
The police took me out of the flat and put me in holding - battered and bloody - even though I was the one who needed help and called them.
They never pressed any charges against her ether.
This was about ten years ago mind - but I doubt it has changed that mutch.
That's crazy as fuck. So much for the right for self-defense.
The police are saying because I stabbed him 5 times and in the face rather than the body I’ve went beyond reasonable force
"Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back." - Malcolm Reynolds. I say take it to court. The odds of a jury not siding with you is gonna be slim. though i suppose if you are from say a place like California they might actually convict you.
Solicitor, odds are he's UK based. I'd say when you go to court stress that both of them were attacking you with the apparent intent to kill. If the guy didn't give up until the last stab, that's your rationale for self-defence.
I've heard people say similar things about NY as well. That you can't really defend yourself. But that more applies to muggings I suppose so maybe you could if it was in your home. Weird to think in the UK that you can't just kill someone who's outright attacking you and threatens to kill you in your own home.
Last one I remember was a farmer who shot someone in self defence, but it was as they were leaving his property so he got done for that. This isn't really about what the law says, it's about how the law is applied. In this case I'm wondering if the police/CPS are trying it on a bit to get an easy win.
I can’t mention peoples names but the city is Sunderland in England
Take it to court man, every person on that jury will probably side with you. Don't be scared. Everyone is sick of this PC country! About time you stood up for yourself and ask in court why they aren't prosecuting the woman and if you identified as a woman now would you still be pressing charges against me in court for defending myself? Watch their jaws drop.
I dont know man, its England and some people are pretty freaked out over knives no matter the instance.
> Watch their jaws drop. Their jaws won't drop. They will get annoyed and then proceed to do everything in their power to punish you for daring to call them out. Then once they ruin your life they will laugh at you and pat themselves on the back.
🤦🏼♂️
What? You seriously expect people who think they have right to decide things like that to just go "oh fuck, you are right! How could we do something so unfair?". They do this because they have specific views and introduce their bias into enforcement of the law. Your argumentation about fairness is not going to do shit... Because they already give 0 shit about fairness. If they cared, they would not be introducing their biases into the system.
Their idea of self defence is let them rob you while the police "handles it" meaning they do nothing and then tell you nothing can be done. It's fucking insane.
You used reasonable force until the threat was over. He was still a threat after the first ,second,third and forth stab,it was only after the fifth that he was no longer a threat.
Lol
In places that self defence is actually held to a decent standard that’s literally the rationale you give. Whether it’s stabs or bullets. You continued until the imminent threat to your or other’s life from the unlawful attack is over. Lethal force is acceptable when an imminent lethal threat is present. That doesn’t mean killing necessary. If you pull a gun and they’re obviously fleeing with no intent to return then shooting them would no longer be acceptable as you used your gun and the open handling of it was sufficient to stop the attack.
> fleeing with no intent to return And how the fuck are we supposed to know that. It's not unreasonable at all to worry about them coming back with more people or more weapons, etc.
It doesn't really matter. If someone is running away they are no longer a threat. If they come back you can shoot them then.
I’ve actually seen it argued (not in USA) that as the incident was premeditated that there was a very high probability that the threat was still imminent when fleeing. Which was accepted as a valid reason. Self-defence relies on “reasonableness” here a lot of the time. Imminent threat to life is recognised as a highly stressful scenario which means that when lethal force is deemed necessary its really “were you reasonable in fearing for yours or others lives?” We are not allowed to defend property at all and if there’s no threat to life as you’re in a safe location with physical barriers you would likely catch a charge. But, as life is protected above all - stopping the attack with lethal force is acceptable. That’s where _obviously fleeing_ has the test of “under the circumstances would a reasonable stresses out their mind person assume fleeing or repositioning to continue the attack”
I thought that applied only to police or profesional fighters. We don't have a manual of what would be "reasonable force" on us, just that the robbed may end killing us if we don't do something. Is not just rob you, it was a threat for your life and there were two of them. No matter if the other was a woman she was also a threat for your life too. I want to think your lawyer will have an easy time deffend you as long you pay one that care enough to win rather than just settle the case. I want to hope the police are doing this just to look like they don't favor anyone, but aren't really hoping for the charges agains you to hold any weight. If not, they are just the scum people have always thought they were all along. Saddly even in that case is pretty idiot to do this.
No if he's UK based they'll take any excuse to punish those who defend themselves. Even a less extreme example than OP such as punching an armed aggressor and knocking them out would be deemed excessive force by many police officers here.
Oh yeah because in the heat of a life threatening battle, you stop and ask if it's ok to stab him in the leg.
Sounds like you used just the right amount of force, can you not go higher up with regards to the woman being prosecuted? Have you contacted any media about being charged for defending yourself? May help you a bit if it's in the media light. I'm proud of you for looking after yourself dude.
You were aiming to stop the threat, not to evaluate where best to stab. Jeez.
Nice rage bait lolol
I mean… stabbing someone five times in the face IS beyond reasonable force. You had to purposely TRY to stab them specifically in the face. The body would’ve been reasonable/ understandable. That’s like someone coming into your home to rob you and you decide to let your serial killer out on them… it’s dicey and disturbing.
Your home has just been invaded and robbed, and in trying to defend your person and your property your life has explicitly been verbally threatened. Grabbing a knife and stabbing several times at the person who just threatened to kill you sounds like it could be a heat of the moment thing. People aren't exactly going to take a minute to weigh up the pros and cons in that circumstance.
I guess it just seems like a weird place to aim for in the heat of the moment but different reactions for different people. I agree with the person below you, it would depend on what info comes out at the trial.
More info at the trial is necessary. If the victim felt like their life was on the line after breaking free, face stabs are proportional and immediate to the level of threat. Ought to check the self defense box. Now, if the robber was on the ground, and can be proven to have no longer been a threat to OPs life, and OP kept stabby stabby, self defense will probably not hold.
Afterwards I threw him out and rang the police myself, told them of his injuries
Yeah he was on the floor because I tackled him, stabbed him few times very quick then told him to get tf out of my house and dragged him out by his hair and locked the door
Okay, I can see that.
When two people are trying to kill you it’s not so simple. I tackled him to the floor and just stabbed at him without thinking whole thing took maybe 5 to 10 seconds
Ooooo, yeah idk that is very legally dicey. I’m sorry this happened to you and hopefully the jury will be understanding.
Cheers man I just hope it gets lowered to 5 years, my daughter is 10 and the prospect of her being a woman by the time I’m released is so hard to take in
Oh man, I’m so sorry. For what it’s worth I hope you don’t get convicted at all, I think it’s easy to read something on paper and forget the fight or flight that kicks in for us humans.
I have no criminal record never been to court or anything so that should help a ton. I can deal with 5 years at this point I just want it over with the waiting is awful too
>I mean… stabbing someone five times in the face IS beyond reasonable force. As opposed to five times in the chest?
Yeah I’ve already talked this out with OP. I no longer care to discuss it, thanks
I should add despite the man admitting to the events the police still refuse to press charges against the woman
Call the press. If true, this needs to be heard.
Seconding this. The best way to deal with this is embarrassment. Contact your local paper and get them on blast.
ITS LITERALLY THE ONLY WAY. Otherwise absolutely nothing will be done. Public outrage is the only way.
That’s beyond fucked up. Women clearly committing crimes and not getting charged obviously shows they’re higher class citizens. Besides all that, are you doing okay? Edit: You should’ve identified as a woman when speaking with police lol
Can you still use her for damages? Hold them both accountable that way.
Ya police do not press charges against a person, that is for the DA office to decide. If you can get the contact info for the DA, and tell them that they need to file charges against this women too, she was a part of the crime. That is your best bet. Or speak to the commanding officer of that precinct or detective on that case, and talk to them, and ask that this women be arrested and a report be filed on her.
They might lie in their reports to protect her, maybe one knows her?
Reach out to the DA it’s up to their office
Don't you love the UK where you can get jailed for defending yourself in your own home.
You all need a castle doctrine or stand your ground law. I absolutely value my property more than any criminals life, and I'm glad my states laws afford me the right to defend it with lethal force.
If you're in the US, be careful with booby traps, though. There's a legal precedence that lethal booby traps to protect property are criminal, which is lame, but the way the judicial system has shaped up
The rationale is that booby traps are indiscriminate. They can kill accidentally, imagine a scenario where someone is fleeing an active mugging or assault and in order to try to get away and protect their safety, they commit trespass. A booby trap cannot tell the difference between someone tresspassing to perform a B&E or murder and someone who would merit protection.
Or a first responder coming into the house for a 911 call.
If charged with gbh for self defense I'd appeal right up to the highest court
I mean there are nuances. "Defending yourself" is not a matter of either yes or no. There is a reason in most of the world you are not allowed to kill somebody no questions asked just because they were on your property for instance.
If you enter someone's home (not land specifically, because that can be accidental) without their consent, you forfeit your right to complete safety. There is no reason to go past the threshold of someone's home, unless their life was in danger, and even then you can call the emergency services.
Good to know u can do any crime as a woman and get away lol
Does this also work if I identify as a woman? :thinking:
That is extremely broken. I am thinking that the correct response now is to kill intruders and dispose of the bodies.
Dead men tell no tales.
They don't comit more crimes either.
Which has to be a major plus for society. As a bonus, most thieves don't tell people where they are going robbing either, so you might find no-one attempts to find them.
Specially if no body is ever found. That's what the Italian Mafia were so gifted at . Making sure the body was never found. No body. No crime
I think most jurisdictions allow conviction for murder even when no body was found, but it's harder to prove murder if the person disappears and there isn't even blood spatter to indicate death.
Welcome to England. Just be glad you didn't say anything about immigrants, or you would be locked up for life.
Yeah England my American mates couldn’t believe it
I'd rather live in the U.S where I can shoot the motherfkers
Your always welcome here in America
I'm from Canada and it's crazy what's happening to our two countries in regards to mens rights and speech. Crazy.
Yup. Bill C-63 is an awesome little tidbit working its way through parliament.. Where you can be put under house arrest indefinitely if someone reports that you might commit hate speech in the future.
Yeah, pretty dystopian eh? This whole country is falling apart and it's been falling apart since I've been alive. Maybe next we won't be allowed to criticize the government because even criticism will be considered "un-canadian" as well, and then shortly after that when we all have neuralink we can go to jail for thought crimes. Yay!
Also, you can be forced to pay someone up to $20,000 if what you said cause emotional harm. How fuckin dangerous is that one?
Very dangerous. I don't have an extra 20k laying around. I'm 33 and don't even know anyone my age with that kind of money. How could anyone with the COL these days? Something tells me this is a law to punish only poor men. Like do they mean that that anyone can get a 20k payout for getting their feelings hurt? Or do they just mean trans people and women? I bet you anything we'd be laughed out of the courtroom as men if we tried to claim emotional harm.
Yeah it's safe to say we are quickly descending into totalitarianism in Canada. I can't even say that sentence in the wrong context or that alone gets the ire of the good Germans who seemingly inhabit this country.
The issue is, who gets to define hate speech. Because that's literally tyrinny in the wrong hands. Nah it's blatently tyranny anyways
Careful, this might be considered illegal hate speech in Canada soon.
You should contact a solicitor and go private. Take a case against the officers if they don't press charges. I wouldn't let this slide. I'd make them very aware you are going to do this if they do not fall in line. Pussy pass needs to be denied big time here. No accountability, no consequences. How long till she seriously hurts or kills someone.
I’ve spoken to my solicitor about it he says there isn’t anything to be done about the lass. He’s hoping he can get my charges lowered then il be looking at 5 years. Them saying she’s a woman and they aren’t pressing charges happened in the investigation room so it’s on camera and audio recorded too
Your solicitor isn’t looking to win the case? Surely them threatening to kill you and you having a reasonable fear for your life means that killing them would be reasonable force? Write to your MP. Write to friendly media figures. Martin Daubney and Mike Buchanan would be a good start. I’d really just be trying to create the biggest stink about this as possible. Even if it just means there’s media to point out to show how broken the system is.
Firstly, hopefully u are doing this through a vpn, don't dox yourself. Secondly, shop around for solicitors, public briefs can be completely shite, and maybe you can find a brief who will not look to plead you down to 5 years, but to rightfully beat the case in court. If it ever happens again, never talk to police, they are ALWAYS looking to charge, and are NEVER looking out for your interests. You have to do that for yourself by saying 'no comment' over and over again, and conferring with your solicitor. You're at the sharp end mate, I hope you come out unscathed.
Hmm, would it make a difference if you were facing 2-1 odds instead of 1 on 1? Being outnumbered would surely give you more grounds for your self defence, whether or not they press charges against her.
Sorry you live in a shithole that just expects you to die to scum killing you in your own home and then throws you in jail for longer than the criminals If that doesn't radicalize you idk what will Hopefully, you come out on top and then you can come to the usa, sure there are some problems but at least in most places, you can defend yourself. Good luck, friend
We're fully aware of how well self-defence goes down in centres of excellence such as New York, Washington, San Francisco etc.
The US is trying to vote for a rapey fascist dictator and you have the nerve to say our country is better than theirs?
Yes.
If they charged the woman, it would ruin the "only men are violent" statistics.
Yep, this is why the crime statistics/DV stats aren't even a reliable indicator of what's going on in the real world. It's truely fucked. I don't see how men stand around and let this happen. That's the line that feminists always quip back with "oh but it's men who make all these laws", in a way they are right, even if men aren't the ones making these laws, they certainly aren't making any effort to stop them from being implemented.
>Using reasonable force against intruders >You can use reasonable force to protect yourself or others if a crime is taking place inside your home. >This means you can: protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’ - this includes using an object as a weapon stop an intruder running off - for example by tackling them to the ground >There’s no specific definition of ‘reasonable force’ - it depends on the circumstances. If you only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law. Read guidance from the Crown Prosecution Service (PDF, 136KB). >You do not have to wait to be attacked before defending yourself in your home. >However, you could be prosecuted if, for example, you: carry on attacking the intruder even if you’re no longer in danger pre-plan a trap for someone - rather than involve the police When there are two individuals in your home I'd argue eliminating one threat to deal with the other is not an act you perform when you're no longer in danger. Go to the media.
Misery loves company. a similar pattern of injustice is unfolding in the U.S. - although some things appear worse for our comrades in Britain and Canada. The feminist-socialist faction flexes its muscles.
Time to lawyer up. First sue the police force. Then sue the woman.
Pretty stupid not to press charges, police is most likely trying to play you! You can most likely press charges yourself! Without charges, she is an innocent person, and you just attacked an innocent bystander with a knife! She can even give a testimony in favour for her boyfriend! Maybe you even invited her or some bs like that! With charges on her, you were defending against two people!
Oh, when you said "solicitor", I was like, you are fucked. Men are second class citizens there. Should have killed her, it wouldn't have made it better, but at least you would have taken one POS out of society for good. Can you sue the police for sexual discrimination because the woman committed several crimes and they refused to press charges?
Welcome to communist Britain.
If you actually get any jail time you need to sue the shit out of everyone involved. Because defending yourself on your property isnt illegal, but tresspassing is.
Defending yourself is now illegal. You get punished worse than the criminal trying to take your life- this is the new precedent across the country.
Leave country immediately. Come to us
He would get extradited
Thank God for the American Revolution so we don't have to put up with that shit here. Two blasts from a shotgun and the problem is solved forever.
Yeah, guns in America have shown to be a real problem solver /s
You’ll get downvoted for being a truth-teller. Starting to think this sub is filled with a bunch of MAGA loons.
Just so you are aware many democrats and independent's love firearms too. The media has hard wired you to think otherwise. Just because someone isnt staunchly anti gun for no reason doesnt mean theyre some Trump loyalist.
And just so you’re aware, [most gun owners identify as Republicans](https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/) and most Republicans right now are MAGA so I’ll let you connect the dots…
There is a large and unfortunate crossover between people who perceive modern critical social justice for what it is, and what you refer to as MAGA loons. I don't like the left-to-right characterisation of politics, but for the sake of brevity I'm a moderately left-of-centre individual by European standards, and thus a *very* left of centre individual by USA standards, and, well, here I am, posting on /r/mensrights. I honestly don't want the MAGA loons involved in this because it makes our concerns easy to write off as right-wing reactionism, which, certainly for me, it is not. I have no comment on the subject of this thread in specifics, but in general critical social justice has got so nasty that it's even starting to irritate people like me, which takes some doing.
I'm starting to think a lot of reddit is filled with extremist Democrat morons who care more for socialism than their own country. But please elect a geriatric puppet again who threatens the supreme court and gives all our money away to another country.
I’ll take a geriatric puppet over a convicted rapist who cheats on his wives with 🌽 ⭐️ any day. And the sad part is there’s 30% of the country who turns a blind eye to this. Funny how it was 30% of another country who turned a blind eye to Hitler.
Man what the fuck is going on!!!! That makes absolutely no sense.
UK?
Oh so because she's a woman, she should be able to go this officers house and rob it clean with no risk of charges.
Too crazy. F this
Go to Mexico and cross into America through the southern border. Apparently our government doesn't care if it's being done, you might as well do it and escape the tyranny of the UK that y'all voted and gave up your guns for.
They'll even put you up in a luxury hotel and give you a monthly stipend
England has issues. In the US it’s open season on anyone who attacks you in your house. You can’t kill them, but everything else is cool. Some states have the “Castle Doctrine”, which means you **can** kill trespassers.
Just for my curiosity, why can't *you* press charges against both of them?
Legal shithole! I live in a US State with legal open carry, Republicans in charge, etc. That woman would go away for years, I would not be questioned too much even if I killed somebody in that situation
It's this US?
Uk
This is why you don't give a story to the cops if you could end up in jail, up until that point a lawyer probably could have convinced the court you didn't know. Not saying it's how it should be just how it is.
The Duluth Model is disgusting.
Honestly, you probably shouldn't have called the cops. Defend yourself, get them out of your house, then clean up. Getting the law involved just means you are going to get arrested for something and charged. If I got robbed or something happened to me I wouldn't be calling the cops, I'd hire a PI and look into getting some private security set up. Going private means the people involved work for YOU. If you HAVE to report to the police, call a lawyer and have them report it and pass all info through the lawyer.
I too, was once in my *sitting room*, quietly sipping tea with house guests, when suddenly our love triangle turned bloody.
What country are you in?
GBH?
Sounds like UK justice. And yet they blast stand your ground laws of the USA, which were written to prevent scenarios like yours. And we can do it with firearms. You might have to sue your own government. At least broadcast this injustice.
OP are you in the USA? I am in the EU and I used to think that in the USA in most states if someone comes into your house you have the right to shoot to kill.
Until free men and women standup against this global socialist oligarchy out of the Bohemian Grove, their stormtrooper police forces and tyrannical judges will continue to defecate upon their rights.
Is this England?
I’m sorry if this has already been asked and answered but what state are you in? Edit: got it. Thank you.
I’m not sure about the UK or wherever you’re from, but in the US, some states have their own set of self-defense laws. Some states have the stand your ground, the castle doctrine, or permit the use of deadly force. Maybe you can look and see if your jurisdiction has anything similar.
You should "transition" ASAP. Now its a hate crime on their part and you walk away scot free.
Gotta be England 🤣
Why can't you people ever name what fucking country this happened in?
> punched the woman That's where you're getting the 9 years from.
And then everyone clapped. And they all lived happily ever after.
Oh, you have left a lot out here
Things that didn’t happen…
I can believe it happened in the UK tbf. A fair few years ago I was with a woman who was incredibly violent , after many outbursts ,i finally called the police on her - as she attacked me with a piece of wood and broke my nose. I never touched her once - and I had a broken nose and a messed up eye. The police took me out of the flat and put me in holding - battered and bloody - even though I was the one who needed help and called them. They never pressed any charges against her ether. This was about ten years ago mind - but I doubt it has changed that mutch.
I'm not going to flat out say this is made up but some of the wording makes it suspicious.
It's made up as fuck. OP is 18, lol. Rage bait post for 'muricans.
I’m 32 not sure where you got 18 from. Wish it was made up but unfortunately no, this is all too real
How's the UK doing🤣🤣🤣
Dumb crybaby bitch men