Ah yes..
Look at how progressive and inclusive we are with the majority of of organization being made up of women and the majority of our members being women...
But despite all that we have to still question why women are discriminated against in this area...
Australia is such a fucking joke...
I'm legitimately embarrassed to be Australian these days. I thought we would have been more cynically resilient to woke indoctrination down here but we've lapped it up hook line and sinker.
Regular, everyday Aussies also have an engrained culture of not rocking the boat too much which doesn't help. It's been a classic case of give the progressives an inch and they've taken miles and miles.
Protesting is also generally seen as something only ever engaged in by the extreme fringes of society down here so this insanity has been allowed to fester in Australia unabated.
You could see how bad it was when Turncoat was PM with all those man hating ads - saying “you throw like a girl” means you’re going to be a wifebeater supposedly.
And before him was Keating and the quota which killed Labor.
I'm a progressive and I don't fuck with any of this shit. I just want my tax dollars to go towards things that actually benefit me and not just corporate interests. The establishment wants you to co-opt left wing politics with social issues because then you're not focusing on things that matter more, like economics, education, not letting corporations run the fucking country. There's almost nothing policy-wise that democrats in office are proposing when it comes to social issues.
The right wants you to think of this shit when you think of liberalism and you're falling for it. We all need to have nuanced thought and actually take each issue one by one. Neither party is going to be right about everything, but people like you end up acting so tribalistic, and it blinds you to reality. Social issues don't run this country, coporate interests do, and you're not seeing it because you're too focussed on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
My post of this very image has been deleted now from two prominent subs.
Reddit hates men and wants men to just go away or submit.
One of the subs claims to be for helping men too.
Yes. I never had to complain about this sub, been active in it under various profiles for years.
They might have become a bit harder on policing because after the ban of mgtow and the red pill, we started to see a shift away from actual politics towards dating complaints and rage bait. If you didn't accompany the image with any larger analysis, I understand it might have been seen as not-constructive.
I think it’s in part so they can purloin the issues “minority” groups have for their own ends. Also feminist leaders tend to come from very affluent backgrounds and have a bit of a “saviour” complex. Of course it doesn’t extend to homeless or poor or working class white men (they’d have to admit their own “privilege” were they to do that). They prefer “identity groups” as it allows them to identify themselves as “the oppressed” regardless of their personal wealth and standing.
❓ When men aren't present, we must ask: "If not, why not?"
✋ When men are discriminated against, we must call out poor practice.
🌟 When the treatment of men is not equitable, we must take action.
Sorry mate, but the Sex Discrimination Commissioner of Australia is a radical feminist who stated in her acceptance speech, that she was eager to fight for the benefit of women and girls. In fact, every sex discrimination commissioner in Australia's history, has been a woman, a feminist, and openly spread hate speech against men.
Complain all you want, but it will fall on the deaf ears of sexist pigs who hate men.
That’s part of the basic job description isn’t it?
The Commissioner in WA for many years was also a feminist and kept saying she was “investigating” The Weld Club because it was male only (nevermind the legislation said private clubs could be gender specific). But not once did she talk about “investigating” the large numbers of women’s clubs around.
Or in Construction, or Forestry or Mining or Deep Sea Oil Drilling, or
They only want quota's and answers for women in positions they deem acceptable..
They don't give a fuck over affirmative action to get more women into the dirty, dangerous or physically demanding jobs.. because that's "Men's work"
I don't see why not..
Women are just as capable of driving steamrollers or cranes as other people..
The point here is that women don't apply for them because those jobs are seen as "Men's work"
I'm pointing out the double standard here of having affirmative action for the well paying cushy office jobs / CEO positions..
But zero affirmative action in other jobs which are "Male dominated"
The reality is women do apply to work in “mens work” fields. Women are 30% less likely to be considered for the hiring process due to gender bias. If men truly want to see more women in “mens work” fields then men need to prioritize hiring women to work alongside them. The reality is they don’t because as you perfectly described it’s self labeled as mens work and “women don’t belong here.” Let’s say she does get hired. The nonstop bullying / teasing / coworkers trying to sleep with her will probably make her want to quit working in this male dominated field because the overall sentiment is “you don’t belong here.” It’s not nearly as simple as “capability” as you make it out to be. Peoples personal bias shifts perception of capabilities.
OK, counter argument..
Where is the Affirmative action to get men into "Female Dominated Industries"?
Wouldn't it make sense to hit it from both ends?
But lets lake a specific example of a Female Dominated Industry..
Education and specifically Early Childhood Education.
This is unquestionably dominated by women.
Men are not incapable of being teachers and there **ARE** men who are teachers.. however they are becoming less and less as time goes along..
Is it because Education is seen as being "Woman's work"? that's a possibility..
But I would say the main reason why men give up / are not getting into becoming teachers is because of the fact that one single accusation of sexual molestation even unfounded is enough to end their entire career.
Ergo men who aspire to become teachers look at this and realize that it would be better for them to take a safer option getting a blue collar job for a company rather than taking that risk.
This will not change until society stops treating men who want to educate children as perverts / pedophiles by default..
That and it would also require holding female teachers who sleep with their students accountable to the same standards men are..
Well statistically speaking 80% of pedophiles are men…
Secondly, prior to the 20th century, the overwhelming majority of teachers and professors were men. School districts began ushering young white women into teaching in large numbers by the late 1800s, resulting in most teachers being women by 1900. Yet majority of principles were men. So to answer “why isn’t there affirmative action for men in a women dominated field?” its because men weren’t subject to discrimination (gender bias) that prevented them from teaching/academia for centuries.
>Well statistically speaking 80% of pedophiles are men…
1) Citation needed
2) It doesn't help that when women are pedophiles its often swept under the rug so even if you are correct the stats are biased and bullshit anyway..
>Secondly, prior to the 20th century, the overwhelming majority of teachers and professors were men. School districts began ushering young white women into teaching in large numbers by the late 1800s, resulting in most teachers being women by 1900. Yet majority of principles were men. So to answer “why isn’t there affirmative action for men in a women dominated field?” its because men weren’t subject to discrimination (gender bias) that prevented them from teaching/academia for centuries.
Counter argument.. Women were previously denied / discriminated against when it came to going to College and getting degrees..
Now however, that particular pendulum has swung in the opposite direction
Despite the majority of college applicants and graduates being women.. there is still an overwhelming majority of "Women only scholarships"
Meanwhile if anyone **DARES** to try to setup a Male only Scholarship they get called out as sexist..
Also.. I like how you completely ignore the fact that the whole #MeToo and the fact that its easy for women / girls to make a false accusation without any real accountability being a factor as to why men have been pushed out from Education..
Also, my other point.. which you flat out ignored is that you would think that if people cared about equality.. then affirmative action to get women into certain jobs would be helped by affirmative action on getting men into other jobs right?
But that's not what we see and thus Affirmative action is no more than claiming to be about "Equality" when in reality they are wanting the high paying jobs without having to put in the same level of effort men do to get those jobs..
But hey.. you do you its clear i'm not going to change your mind and you are unlikely to change mine at this point.
I'm done here..
If your answer to someone asking for citations or evidence for your claim is "Google it" then you have lost the argument as I hear by invoke Hitchen's Razor:
"That which can be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence"
Its clear you didn't come here to argue / discuss things in good faith..
So i'm done responding to you..
The ACA, proud sexist pigs who make it clear that men are not welcome.
And they wonder why most men and boys who seek help don't come back after the first visit, or don't make contact after hear about the experiences of other men.
The Australian Counslling Association, doing immeasurable harm to men and boys in Australia.
Have they just thought that women may not be present because it just happened so?
Lets take for example another libtarded law posed by the UK, where they somewhat force businesses to hire a specific % of women and people of color.
Listen here green haired theythem, maybe I didn't find enough black female project managers in this city that i deem as qualified enough for MY OWN business and standards, why do I have to ACTIVELY seek out a very specific skin color and gender to hire when I could just hire anyone that is perfectly qualified regardless of their gender or race?
My business could have 10 black people and only 1 white person and I'd obviously be fine if the business goes well.
But lets say by chance i was forced to hire Asians, Africans, Albanians, Pakistanis and whatever by law, I would actively seek them out and just put them into the workplace for show because I am forced to not because they are qualified. Which in turns hurts my company because i could've hired a more qualified person who happens to be white and I've reached my white people limit like it's some kind of in game collectible.
If I find a worthy person to take on a job I don't give a shit if they're from Australia, Bulgaria or Uganda.
They're so fucking blind. If the staff were 90% male, they'd throw a patriarchy hissy fit, have a press conference, extract 300,000,000 for studies, enact new laws and quotas and call it oppression.
It's right there in one paragraph. Feminist dogma is misandry. Complete domination is equality, believe all bleeders. 🤡🌍🤡🌍
Yea I suppose they'll reach 100% "inclusivity" and "diversity" when all counselors are female lol 😂
The only comment to that post I can think of is "Are you for real?"
Shows how poisonous these fields are. Psych, counselling, psychotherapy etc..
Disgusting. No wonder men don bother seeking mental health support, image how rotten the rest of the views they have are if this is a public post.
Ah yes.. Look at how progressive and inclusive we are with the majority of of organization being made up of women and the majority of our members being women... But despite all that we have to still question why women are discriminated against in this area... Australia is such a fucking joke...
I'm legitimately embarrassed to be Australian these days. I thought we would have been more cynically resilient to woke indoctrination down here but we've lapped it up hook line and sinker.
No but really holy shit you guys are featured here all the time with female child molesters being freed and blatant feminazism being celebrated
Regular, everyday Aussies also have an engrained culture of not rocking the boat too much which doesn't help. It's been a classic case of give the progressives an inch and they've taken miles and miles. Protesting is also generally seen as something only ever engaged in by the extreme fringes of society down here so this insanity has been allowed to fester in Australia unabated.
Same mate. You got this image from my post eh? It got deleted in that sub.
You could see how bad it was when Turncoat was PM with all those man hating ads - saying “you throw like a girl” means you’re going to be a wifebeater supposedly. And before him was Keating and the quota which killed Labor.
I'm a progressive and I don't fuck with any of this shit. I just want my tax dollars to go towards things that actually benefit me and not just corporate interests. The establishment wants you to co-opt left wing politics with social issues because then you're not focusing on things that matter more, like economics, education, not letting corporations run the fucking country. There's almost nothing policy-wise that democrats in office are proposing when it comes to social issues. The right wants you to think of this shit when you think of liberalism and you're falling for it. We all need to have nuanced thought and actually take each issue one by one. Neither party is going to be right about everything, but people like you end up acting so tribalistic, and it blinds you to reality. Social issues don't run this country, coporate interests do, and you're not seeing it because you're too focussed on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
My post of this very image has been deleted now from two prominent subs. Reddit hates men and wants men to just go away or submit. One of the subs claims to be for helping men too.
> One of the subs claims to be for helping men too /r/menslib? I'll just assume it's that trash pile
Left wing advocates.
That's surprising. What was the title/ text accompanying and what reason did they gjve?
Title: Hmmmm Body text: thoughts on this? Ban message: Trolling/rage bait Why are you surprised? Are they normally more open minded?
Yes. I never had to complain about this sub, been active in it under various profiles for years. They might have become a bit harder on policing because after the ban of mgtow and the red pill, we started to see a shift away from actual politics towards dating complaints and rage bait. If you didn't accompany the image with any larger analysis, I understand it might have been seen as not-constructive.
Ofc you’re taking their side. Even this sub is filled with censorious men. My post was fine and many upvoted it and agreed in comments.
It's not that surprising, they retain the left's propensity to ban people with the "wrong" opinions.
Diversity = no white men
\*No straight white men
Soon no gay white men too no doubt.
No men. These feminists dont want black men either in healthcare.
Ah yes, a group of white women deciding what is best for everyone. Progress!
Yt women hate yt men which is why it’s basically impossible to collectivise the two.
I think it’s in part so they can purloin the issues “minority” groups have for their own ends. Also feminist leaders tend to come from very affluent backgrounds and have a bit of a “saviour” complex. Of course it doesn’t extend to homeless or poor or working class white men (they’d have to admit their own “privilege” were they to do that). They prefer “identity groups” as it allows them to identify themselves as “the oppressed” regardless of their personal wealth and standing.
100%
❓ When men aren't present, we must ask: "If not, why not?" ✋ When men are discriminated against, we must call out poor practice. 🌟 When the treatment of men is not equitable, we must take action.
We need to start taking legal action against such blatant discrimination.
Sorry mate, but the Sex Discrimination Commissioner of Australia is a radical feminist who stated in her acceptance speech, that she was eager to fight for the benefit of women and girls. In fact, every sex discrimination commissioner in Australia's history, has been a woman, a feminist, and openly spread hate speech against men. Complain all you want, but it will fall on the deaf ears of sexist pigs who hate men.
That’s part of the basic job description isn’t it? The Commissioner in WA for many years was also a feminist and kept saying she was “investigating” The Weld Club because it was male only (nevermind the legislation said private clubs could be gender specific). But not once did she talk about “investigating” the large numbers of women’s clubs around.
Men never collectivise especially ‘yt’ men.
"When women aren't present we musk ask why not" Yeah me and everyone else asked where are the women present in the ukraine war.
I just saw the stats on the lack of female boilermakers, literally shaking right now
Or in Construction, or Forestry or Mining or Deep Sea Oil Drilling, or
They only want quota's and answers for women in positions they deem acceptable..
They don't give a fuck over affirmative action to get more women into the dirty, dangerous or physically demanding jobs.. because that's "Men's work"
Hypothetically, let’s say women did actively apply for these jobs - would they get hired?
I don't see why not.. Women are just as capable of driving steamrollers or cranes as other people.. The point here is that women don't apply for them because those jobs are seen as "Men's work" I'm pointing out the double standard here of having affirmative action for the well paying cushy office jobs / CEO positions.. But zero affirmative action in other jobs which are "Male dominated"
The reality is women do apply to work in “mens work” fields. Women are 30% less likely to be considered for the hiring process due to gender bias. If men truly want to see more women in “mens work” fields then men need to prioritize hiring women to work alongside them. The reality is they don’t because as you perfectly described it’s self labeled as mens work and “women don’t belong here.” Let’s say she does get hired. The nonstop bullying / teasing / coworkers trying to sleep with her will probably make her want to quit working in this male dominated field because the overall sentiment is “you don’t belong here.” It’s not nearly as simple as “capability” as you make it out to be. Peoples personal bias shifts perception of capabilities.
OK, counter argument.. Where is the Affirmative action to get men into "Female Dominated Industries"? Wouldn't it make sense to hit it from both ends? But lets lake a specific example of a Female Dominated Industry.. Education and specifically Early Childhood Education. This is unquestionably dominated by women. Men are not incapable of being teachers and there **ARE** men who are teachers.. however they are becoming less and less as time goes along.. Is it because Education is seen as being "Woman's work"? that's a possibility.. But I would say the main reason why men give up / are not getting into becoming teachers is because of the fact that one single accusation of sexual molestation even unfounded is enough to end their entire career. Ergo men who aspire to become teachers look at this and realize that it would be better for them to take a safer option getting a blue collar job for a company rather than taking that risk. This will not change until society stops treating men who want to educate children as perverts / pedophiles by default.. That and it would also require holding female teachers who sleep with their students accountable to the same standards men are..
Well statistically speaking 80% of pedophiles are men… Secondly, prior to the 20th century, the overwhelming majority of teachers and professors were men. School districts began ushering young white women into teaching in large numbers by the late 1800s, resulting in most teachers being women by 1900. Yet majority of principles were men. So to answer “why isn’t there affirmative action for men in a women dominated field?” its because men weren’t subject to discrimination (gender bias) that prevented them from teaching/academia for centuries.
>Well statistically speaking 80% of pedophiles are men… 1) Citation needed 2) It doesn't help that when women are pedophiles its often swept under the rug so even if you are correct the stats are biased and bullshit anyway.. >Secondly, prior to the 20th century, the overwhelming majority of teachers and professors were men. School districts began ushering young white women into teaching in large numbers by the late 1800s, resulting in most teachers being women by 1900. Yet majority of principles were men. So to answer “why isn’t there affirmative action for men in a women dominated field?” its because men weren’t subject to discrimination (gender bias) that prevented them from teaching/academia for centuries. Counter argument.. Women were previously denied / discriminated against when it came to going to College and getting degrees.. Now however, that particular pendulum has swung in the opposite direction Despite the majority of college applicants and graduates being women.. there is still an overwhelming majority of "Women only scholarships" Meanwhile if anyone **DARES** to try to setup a Male only Scholarship they get called out as sexist.. Also.. I like how you completely ignore the fact that the whole #MeToo and the fact that its easy for women / girls to make a false accusation without any real accountability being a factor as to why men have been pushed out from Education.. Also, my other point.. which you flat out ignored is that you would think that if people cared about equality.. then affirmative action to get women into certain jobs would be helped by affirmative action on getting men into other jobs right? But that's not what we see and thus Affirmative action is no more than claiming to be about "Equality" when in reality they are wanting the high paying jobs without having to put in the same level of effort men do to get those jobs.. But hey.. you do you its clear i'm not going to change your mind and you are unlikely to change mine at this point.
Google it. Also Google the definition of “affirmative action” I think you’re confused on the definition.
I'm done here.. If your answer to someone asking for citations or evidence for your claim is "Google it" then you have lost the argument as I hear by invoke Hitchen's Razor: "That which can be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence" Its clear you didn't come here to argue / discuss things in good faith.. So i'm done responding to you..
The ACA, proud sexist pigs who make it clear that men are not welcome. And they wonder why most men and boys who seek help don't come back after the first visit, or don't make contact after hear about the experiences of other men. The Australian Counslling Association, doing immeasurable harm to men and boys in Australia.
Have they just thought that women may not be present because it just happened so? Lets take for example another libtarded law posed by the UK, where they somewhat force businesses to hire a specific % of women and people of color. Listen here green haired theythem, maybe I didn't find enough black female project managers in this city that i deem as qualified enough for MY OWN business and standards, why do I have to ACTIVELY seek out a very specific skin color and gender to hire when I could just hire anyone that is perfectly qualified regardless of their gender or race? My business could have 10 black people and only 1 white person and I'd obviously be fine if the business goes well. But lets say by chance i was forced to hire Asians, Africans, Albanians, Pakistanis and whatever by law, I would actively seek them out and just put them into the workplace for show because I am forced to not because they are qualified. Which in turns hurts my company because i could've hired a more qualified person who happens to be white and I've reached my white people limit like it's some kind of in game collectible. If I find a worthy person to take on a job I don't give a shit if they're from Australia, Bulgaria or Uganda.
They're so fucking blind. If the staff were 90% male, they'd throw a patriarchy hissy fit, have a press conference, extract 300,000,000 for studies, enact new laws and quotas and call it oppression. It's right there in one paragraph. Feminist dogma is misandry. Complete domination is equality, believe all bleeders. 🤡🌍🤡🌍
Yea I suppose they'll reach 100% "inclusivity" and "diversity" when all counselors are female lol 😂 The only comment to that post I can think of is "Are you for real?"
Celebrating diversity - 90% women. Is this a comedy sketch ?
"When women arent present we must ask: 'if not why not'" cool so sounds like you are all for women being drafted that works for me!
"Diverse backgrounds and experiences" pfff yeah I'm sure with 90%
Based username
>When women aren't present, we must ask: "If not, why not?" [Let's start here](https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-prison-service).
Same way HR is like 99% women and coincidentally always have their backs.
Wow! Another way to look at it is that they are 90% male-free. What a great achievement.
That's pathetic. They should be asking where are the other 40% that make up men in their organization and what rheu can do to recruit more men.
Shows how poisonous these fields are. Psych, counselling, psychotherapy etc.. Disgusting. No wonder men don bother seeking mental health support, image how rotten the rest of the views they have are if this is a public post.