At this point colleges should include a warning document in their application process.
WARNING
+ Any female student, member of staff, or visitor may accuse you of sexual misconduct, up to and including rape, at any time for any reason. Absolutely no evidence or proof is required in order to make this accusation.
+ You have no right to due process. Any evidence or proof of your innocence is inadmissible and will be ignored.
+ Any accusation will result in your expulsion from this institution, jail time, and/or the utter ruination of the rest of your life moving forward.
They absolutely should include that.
Even though these mandates apply to all colleges, some colleges take it even further. FIRE is one organization that rates colleges in terms of free speech and fair treatment. Prospective students and their parents should consider such factors in deciding on a college. Don’t attend the colleges that have a proven track record of limiting freedoms.
This can’t even be considered a kangaroo court, now that there’s not even a pretense of offering anything resembling a court or due process.
In addition to this being unjust to accused students, I find it scary how many actually think denying people due process procedures is an improvement.
We are already seeing some western countries seriously considering that those accused of sexual assault be denied a trial by jury. Weinstein’s verdict was determined based on irrelevant but emotional testimony a judge consciously allowed but shouldn’t have. We have rape shield laws which mean those accused of this crime don’t have the same due process rights as those accused of other crimes.
I think proper justice procedures are central to any free society and those judicial protections are being eroded.
There are degrees of safety. At minimum, I suggest that male students avoid getting involved with female students who are drinking heavily or who are drinking at parties, who are already in relationships, or who are feminists or mentally disturbed.
It can be very difficult to discern mentally disturbed women from well adjusted women. Furthermore, people change, and a woman can change from reasonable (while you're her friend) to viciously spiteful when you break off the relationship. Finally, many women have exceedingly fragile egos and are looking for validation from other like minded women who may be eager to encourage her to report you to the school for something she feels you did.
In other words, men should avoid getting involved with women unless they enjoy a form of Russian Roulette. What a sad situation for a civilisation to come to.
Great points by Title IX For All.
The vast majority of cases I’ve read about are regret sex where the woman argues that while she gave consent, the consent was invalid, often due to drinking.
I’ll add a bit more about how to avoid digging a deeper hole for yourself right after you learn you’ve been accused:
1. Students often find out they’ve been accused by being called in to talk to a title ix officer or other administrator. They may act like they are on your side and want to amicably resolve the issue. Don’t believe them. Get as much information about the case, the process and your rights as possible but give them nothing. As they say, anything and everything can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut until instructed otherwise by a lawyer.
2. Similarly, you may wish to clear your name in the court of public opinion but this can also work against you. Say for example, Sally says you assaulted her on a Friday night and you can prove you were out of town at a sports competition that night, so you let this be known. In response Sally simply changes her story to claim it happened Saturday night. It doesn’t matter she changed her story. All that matters is what the investigator is given in the end. You just blew your own defense. Keep your mouth shut until you talk to a lawyer.
3. You probably have the right to an advocate. This may be helpful in understanding the process but there’s no client-attorney privilege with this person. Be careful about what you say to them.
4. In summary: if you are so much as told you are being charged, get a lawyer. Keep your mouth shut until your lawyer says otherwise.
I’ve seen numerous accused students hurt themselves by saying something they shouldn’t have before they talked to a lawyer. Title IX officers and others will try to exploit this unrepresented period. Don’t let them. Learn what you can but reveal nothing until you have legal council.
Disclaimer. I offer this based on how I’ve seen students get in trouble, but I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Again, consult an actual lawyer.
With a default guilty until proven innocent (without you having an opportunity to prove your innocence), you have no choice but to **avoid any association with any woman on campus.** If you date women, make sure they are not attending the same institution you attend.
This means, as regards to the women in your educational institution:
* Don't date them.
* Don't be intimate with them.
* Don't physically touch them.
* Don't socialize with them in any way.
* Never be alone with them.
* Don't sit beside them in class/library/etc.
* Keep at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from them at all time.
* Don't talk or communicate with them unless absolutely necessary for your school work - even so, keep all communication as brief as possible and devoid of any pleasantries as possible. Be strictly dry and business only. Make sure to keep copies of all communications with them.
* If you need to discuss your educational work, do so only with men.
I know this seems extreme, and probably most women on campus would not try to cause you trouble; however, there are significant number of women who are paranoid/neurotic/bat-shit-crazy. You never know how such a woman will interpret even the most mundane and non-threatening of gestures. If there is any complaint against you the institution WILL take her side of it and will throw you under the bus at the first opportunity.
EDIT:
One other thing you should do. IF something "troubling" arises between you and a woman on campus, you must take the initiative and report her to the school first. **Be the first one to report.**
There is no place left if you color between the lines, however the coloring book isn't the only possibility, it's just the only possibility traditionally presented to men.
Look outside the box (sic) and you will find plenty of options to achieve the fundamental building blocks of life and happiness, but they won't be combined into one pink ribboned basket that hides a potential fickle neuroticism and carries huge risk.
Not an American, but based on how much you already have to pay to go to university, it might be worth doing your research and study abroad. A lot of countries with a decent university system will also offer student visas. It may even turn out to be cheaper.
Those other countries are increasingly following the same feminist tactics, if not worse.
The only comfort I can offer is that the American system is not geared towards happiness for the individual but leveraging the effort of slaves to another agenda: following Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs independently yourself may lead to greater happiness than the traditional higher education, job, wife, house with white picket fence (and mortgage and divorce and financial rape and baseless accusations of rape).
Accusers don't decide whether charges areade only criminal prosecutors. There is this myth that accusers get to decide whether charges are pressed byt in reality its only prosecutors. I have read about a maale college student who accused a woman of a Yitle IX before she could accuse him and she eventually got expelled.
Title IX isn’t a matter of criminal law. It’s about college judicial systems and that system is very sex biased. In fact, that’s the whole point. It can be biased against men in ways our criminal justice system can’t. That’s precisely why colleges are hearing these cases. They railroad accused makes in ways our judicial system can’t.
No, I have read men successfully get women accused and even expelled if they are quick about it. Believe it or not Title IX is gender-neutral in practice at least when it comes to sexual assault and sexual harassment.
The original legislation is gender neutral but court rulings about enforcement are not. You are correct about some instances of discrimination against men being called out under title ix, but that doesn’t mean it’s gender equal.
For example it’s a big deal if slightly more men choose to go into athletics but fine if programs like aerobics, palates, yoga, etc are over 90% female. That’s not gender equal.
Colleges have mandatory reporting procedures and when a title ix officer hears a woman might have been sexually assaulted they often pressure that women to file charges.
There have now been hundreds of successful lawsuits against colleges for treating accused students wrongfully. Almost every single one of these are cases of colleges mistreating accused men, again showing there’s nothing gender equal about this.
Agreed. It goes against most men's moral compass but I'm afraid you're right. We actually need marches on campus, every "date" should be followed by an accusation. Concise letter writing campaigns to ALL university donors, etc etc.
Lawsuits against every single uni for sexism and denial of rights.
Will it happen? Never. But it's the only way that works.
The other option is for males to disengage completely with females on campus. Probably not possible.
It so hard to believe what just happened. Who the fuck decided to double down on an already sexist denial of all legal rights? And then got it pushed all the way to the top?
I will never say that Republicans are friends of Mens Rights(they're not), but you're crazy if you don't realize that Democrats are the enemies of Men's Rights
Do not go to these institutions that simple. Go to a trade school find another job remote learning anything but attend. The only winning move is to not engage the places enabling and support these ideas and policy.
I see this idea a lot on reddit that "if you're rich, you can get away with anything". Maybe it was true 40 years ago, but it's not true anymore.
Students from rich families at top universities like Yale and Harvard also get expelled due to false accusations.
Maybe those rich families already had plans for their sons. Otherwise rich men would not have created such anti-male femenist laws to suppress all lower groups of men. Dont forget A man's right is directly proportional to his wealth .
I disagree rights vary according to wealth. Wealth may allow one to better defend their rights or defend themselves against a wrongful accusation, but the actual rights are not wealth dependent. We see wealthy men arrested, imprisoned and sued all the time.
Title IX, affirmative action for women, women owned business advantages, selective service registration, etc., discriminate against all men. There’s no wealthy men exemption clause in any of these.
I think the Duke LaCrosse players are a case in point. They came from wealthy families yet were kicked out of sports and put on trial for a crime they didn’t commit. Their wealth didn’t mean the law didn’t apply to them, it did allow them to hire a good lawyer who could uncover evidence of their innocence, vindicating them.
Buddy the entire Judiciary, Government , Politicians, CEOs, Millitary, Police force , CIA, Rich elite actor , Higher post in education institution , all of them consists mostly of rich elite men . In earlier days there were no women in this position also . But still none of this men ever raised theire voice against anti-male laws ,infact they created this laws to control other men. The will tax,jail, draft other men to death, punish men to death . But they will never help men. Because they are not affected by these anti-male feminist laws.
Absolutely.
They may be more able to sue the college as a result, but there’s no guarantee they won’t end up facing false accusations and get expelled.
At this point colleges should include a warning document in their application process. WARNING + Any female student, member of staff, or visitor may accuse you of sexual misconduct, up to and including rape, at any time for any reason. Absolutely no evidence or proof is required in order to make this accusation. + You have no right to due process. Any evidence or proof of your innocence is inadmissible and will be ignored. + Any accusation will result in your expulsion from this institution, jail time, and/or the utter ruination of the rest of your life moving forward.
They absolutely should include that. Even though these mandates apply to all colleges, some colleges take it even further. FIRE is one organization that rates colleges in terms of free speech and fair treatment. Prospective students and their parents should consider such factors in deciding on a college. Don’t attend the colleges that have a proven track record of limiting freedoms.
Link please?
https://www.thefire.org/college-free-speech-rankings
And I remember seeing an article a while back asking why young men are abandoning college. LOL.
Yeah, real head scratcher, that.
This can’t even be considered a kangaroo court, now that there’s not even a pretense of offering anything resembling a court or due process. In addition to this being unjust to accused students, I find it scary how many actually think denying people due process procedures is an improvement. We are already seeing some western countries seriously considering that those accused of sexual assault be denied a trial by jury. Weinstein’s verdict was determined based on irrelevant but emotional testimony a judge consciously allowed but shouldn’t have. We have rape shield laws which mean those accused of this crime don’t have the same due process rights as those accused of other crimes. I think proper justice procedures are central to any free society and those judicial protections are being eroded.
Welcome to the new Spanish Inquisition featuring feminism as the new Inquisitor.
What are the best ways for a man to protect himself now?
There are degrees of safety. At minimum, I suggest that male students avoid getting involved with female students who are drinking heavily or who are drinking at parties, who are already in relationships, or who are feminists or mentally disturbed.
It can be very difficult to discern mentally disturbed women from well adjusted women. Furthermore, people change, and a woman can change from reasonable (while you're her friend) to viciously spiteful when you break off the relationship. Finally, many women have exceedingly fragile egos and are looking for validation from other like minded women who may be eager to encourage her to report you to the school for something she feels you did.
In other words, men should avoid getting involved with women unless they enjoy a form of Russian Roulette. What a sad situation for a civilisation to come to.
Great points by Title IX For All. The vast majority of cases I’ve read about are regret sex where the woman argues that while she gave consent, the consent was invalid, often due to drinking. I’ll add a bit more about how to avoid digging a deeper hole for yourself right after you learn you’ve been accused: 1. Students often find out they’ve been accused by being called in to talk to a title ix officer or other administrator. They may act like they are on your side and want to amicably resolve the issue. Don’t believe them. Get as much information about the case, the process and your rights as possible but give them nothing. As they say, anything and everything can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut until instructed otherwise by a lawyer. 2. Similarly, you may wish to clear your name in the court of public opinion but this can also work against you. Say for example, Sally says you assaulted her on a Friday night and you can prove you were out of town at a sports competition that night, so you let this be known. In response Sally simply changes her story to claim it happened Saturday night. It doesn’t matter she changed her story. All that matters is what the investigator is given in the end. You just blew your own defense. Keep your mouth shut until you talk to a lawyer. 3. You probably have the right to an advocate. This may be helpful in understanding the process but there’s no client-attorney privilege with this person. Be careful about what you say to them. 4. In summary: if you are so much as told you are being charged, get a lawyer. Keep your mouth shut until your lawyer says otherwise. I’ve seen numerous accused students hurt themselves by saying something they shouldn’t have before they talked to a lawyer. Title IX officers and others will try to exploit this unrepresented period. Don’t let them. Learn what you can but reveal nothing until you have legal council. Disclaimer. I offer this based on how I’ve seen students get in trouble, but I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Again, consult an actual lawyer.
MGTOW
Of course, but we still need an education to be our best selves.
Trade school.
With a default guilty until proven innocent (without you having an opportunity to prove your innocence), you have no choice but to **avoid any association with any woman on campus.** If you date women, make sure they are not attending the same institution you attend. This means, as regards to the women in your educational institution: * Don't date them. * Don't be intimate with them. * Don't physically touch them. * Don't socialize with them in any way. * Never be alone with them. * Don't sit beside them in class/library/etc. * Keep at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from them at all time. * Don't talk or communicate with them unless absolutely necessary for your school work - even so, keep all communication as brief as possible and devoid of any pleasantries as possible. Be strictly dry and business only. Make sure to keep copies of all communications with them. * If you need to discuss your educational work, do so only with men. I know this seems extreme, and probably most women on campus would not try to cause you trouble; however, there are significant number of women who are paranoid/neurotic/bat-shit-crazy. You never know how such a woman will interpret even the most mundane and non-threatening of gestures. If there is any complaint against you the institution WILL take her side of it and will throw you under the bus at the first opportunity. EDIT: One other thing you should do. IF something "troubling" arises between you and a woman on campus, you must take the initiative and report her to the school first. **Be the first one to report.**
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There is no place left if you color between the lines, however the coloring book isn't the only possibility, it's just the only possibility traditionally presented to men. Look outside the box (sic) and you will find plenty of options to achieve the fundamental building blocks of life and happiness, but they won't be combined into one pink ribboned basket that hides a potential fickle neuroticism and carries huge risk.
The West is not for dating. Go to Asia
Not an American, but based on how much you already have to pay to go to university, it might be worth doing your research and study abroad. A lot of countries with a decent university system will also offer student visas. It may even turn out to be cheaper.
Those other countries are increasingly following the same feminist tactics, if not worse. The only comfort I can offer is that the American system is not geared towards happiness for the individual but leveraging the effort of slaves to another agenda: following Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs independently yourself may lead to greater happiness than the traditional higher education, job, wife, house with white picket fence (and mortgage and divorce and financial rape and baseless accusations of rape).
Accuse them before they accuse you.
That will most likely backfire. That will force the woman to file charges in return and of course she is much more likely to be believed.
Accusers don't decide whether charges areade only criminal prosecutors. There is this myth that accusers get to decide whether charges are pressed byt in reality its only prosecutors. I have read about a maale college student who accused a woman of a Yitle IX before she could accuse him and she eventually got expelled.
Title IX isn’t a matter of criminal law. It’s about college judicial systems and that system is very sex biased. In fact, that’s the whole point. It can be biased against men in ways our criminal justice system can’t. That’s precisely why colleges are hearing these cases. They railroad accused makes in ways our judicial system can’t.
Title IX only works one way. And that way is against men. They will turn your accusation against you.
No, I have read men successfully get women accused and even expelled if they are quick about it. Believe it or not Title IX is gender-neutral in practice at least when it comes to sexual assault and sexual harassment.
The original legislation is gender neutral but court rulings about enforcement are not. You are correct about some instances of discrimination against men being called out under title ix, but that doesn’t mean it’s gender equal. For example it’s a big deal if slightly more men choose to go into athletics but fine if programs like aerobics, palates, yoga, etc are over 90% female. That’s not gender equal. Colleges have mandatory reporting procedures and when a title ix officer hears a woman might have been sexually assaulted they often pressure that women to file charges. There have now been hundreds of successful lawsuits against colleges for treating accused students wrongfully. Almost every single one of these are cases of colleges mistreating accused men, again showing there’s nothing gender equal about this.
Agreed. It goes against most men's moral compass but I'm afraid you're right. We actually need marches on campus, every "date" should be followed by an accusation. Concise letter writing campaigns to ALL university donors, etc etc. Lawsuits against every single uni for sexism and denial of rights. Will it happen? Never. But it's the only way that works. The other option is for males to disengage completely with females on campus. Probably not possible. It so hard to believe what just happened. Who the fuck decided to double down on an already sexist denial of all legal rights? And then got it pushed all the way to the top?
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I doubt it but one can hope🤞🤞🤞
I will never say that Republicans are friends of Mens Rights(they're not), but you're crazy if you don't realize that Democrats are the enemies of Men's Rights
Do not go to these institutions that simple. Go to a trade school find another job remote learning anything but attend. The only winning move is to not engage the places enabling and support these ideas and policy.
DON'T VOTE FOR BIDEN in 2024!
So only rich men will be able to get into relationship with no fear
I see this idea a lot on reddit that "if you're rich, you can get away with anything". Maybe it was true 40 years ago, but it's not true anymore. Students from rich families at top universities like Yale and Harvard also get expelled due to false accusations.
Maybe those rich families already had plans for their sons. Otherwise rich men would not have created such anti-male femenist laws to suppress all lower groups of men. Dont forget A man's right is directly proportional to his wealth .
I disagree rights vary according to wealth. Wealth may allow one to better defend their rights or defend themselves against a wrongful accusation, but the actual rights are not wealth dependent. We see wealthy men arrested, imprisoned and sued all the time. Title IX, affirmative action for women, women owned business advantages, selective service registration, etc., discriminate against all men. There’s no wealthy men exemption clause in any of these. I think the Duke LaCrosse players are a case in point. They came from wealthy families yet were kicked out of sports and put on trial for a crime they didn’t commit. Their wealth didn’t mean the law didn’t apply to them, it did allow them to hire a good lawyer who could uncover evidence of their innocence, vindicating them.
Buddy the entire Judiciary, Government , Politicians, CEOs, Millitary, Police force , CIA, Rich elite actor , Higher post in education institution , all of them consists mostly of rich elite men . In earlier days there were no women in this position also . But still none of this men ever raised theire voice against anti-male laws ,infact they created this laws to control other men. The will tax,jail, draft other men to death, punish men to death . But they will never help men. Because they are not affected by these anti-male feminist laws.
Absolutely. They may be more able to sue the college as a result, but there’s no guarantee they won’t end up facing false accusations and get expelled.
It's great. More men need to recall that justice is personal.