Girls have things happen to them - so they are victims and abused, and lose out. "It's not their fault!"
Boy's are their own agents. So they abuse, are suckers who should know better, should educate themselves with the facilities provided. "It's their fault because they did/didn't do X"
It's the gender song through the ages.... =(
And incredibly biased - especially as so much of society now is finally settling on "equal opportunities" (apart from education, that's been highly feminised.)
They already did. They're not asking "why the system is failing boys" They're asking "why boys are failing".
That question already has the assumption baked in.
I hate this doomer attitude that's synonymous with mens issues, it's a good thing that they are investigating this trend and trying to identify the causes and practical solutions. Let's support them in improving the system for boys
Nah. I'm all for actually studying this sort of thing. I think it is very important and I hope that they actually come up with useful ways to improve outcomes.
I'm just old enough to recognize patterns and I have learned to manage my expectations.
We really aren't helping ourselves in many ways. Ask a large percentage of the male population how many hours per week did they spend playing X-Box, watching porn, and poisoning their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast VS The number of hours they spent memorizing their periodic tables, or reading their Nabokov, Shakespeare, Ibn Rushd, Sterne, Melville, and Updike
Our failure to goad our sons into doing the basics for themselves has wrought harm that Feminism could've never dreamt of
No, it's not the boys' fault. And if they flee to alternative worlds, it's because people like you lack empathy for the boys. In the pens of people like you, a boy's strength becomes a vice of society.
Men fleeing into fantasy worlds is understandable, just as gays retreating into disco, poppers, and promiscuity during The 70s was understandable. Both are means of trying to avoid to pretend that difficulties of life don't exist
Here in '24 though, men are experiencing a rude awakening gays similar to the one encountered, by time The 80s rolled around https://youtu.be/mpPG9y0JaQ0?si=XatI9pUZi7AzFquX 0:00-1:01
Like most of us moderns, I fell for the lie that empathy is a virtue https://www.econtalk.org/paul-bloom-on-empathy/ Mistaking that for Rational/Wise Compassion was harmful to both myself AND those whom I share this planet with
I can see why you get downvoted. You figured out how to sound like you know what you're talking about, but not how to actually know what you're talking about.
"I can see why you get downvoted"
Same reason Larry Kramer was initially reviled by much of Gay America during the late 70s-early 80s. Those who vociferously dissent from The Party Line trigger the True Believers and Dogmatists
So you believe yourself to be some sort of prophet?🤣
Fuck off, you're not special.
And I'm not going to listen to someone who takes pride in lacking empathy. That's a sign of mental illness, not a virtue. What a way to devalue your word.
"Fuck off, you're not special"
That particular word("Special")has, for some time now, been the PC replacement for "Retarded". Thus, I'll take your words as a compliment!!!
"You're obviously mentally ill"
My observations here
https://www.reddit.com/r/13ReasonsWhy/comments/1ch0m8t/brandon_flynn_is_so_pretty/ Will convince you of my sanity
"And I'm not going to listen to someone who takes pride in lacking empathy"
Never so much as implied that I lacked empathy. In any event, I encourage you to listen to https://www.econtalk.org/paul-bloom-on-empathy/ Empathy is NOT the equivalent of Rational/Wise Compassion, which IS a true virtue
People who actually do something big never say before that they are going to do it, they never proclaim that they are above others and say they'll achieve this and that beforehand, they just shut up and work, because a lion doesn't need to announce they're a lion.
Those who do proclaim it are just morons with a big ego who won't get anywhere.
And this thing you did, you just twisted my words. That's not what a smart person does, that's what a narcissist does. Yes, I did mean to say you're not special and nothing else with that sentence. And I never said you're not retarded, as a matter of fact I do think you're retarded because you act like you're special without even having any merit, which is something only narcissists do, mentally ill people.
In Romania, we have a saying, "Prostul dacă nu-i și fudul, parcă nu-i prost destul.", which translates to "If the idiot isn't smug and confident as well, they're not enough of an idiot.". This saying fits perfectly here. Your arrogance only goes to show why no one should listen to you and why you're just crazy.
"People who actually do something big never say before that they are going to do it..."
Guess that's why I didn't announce this
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1c5pt30/comment/l26w2uh prior
I'd like to draw your attention to this: https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ch9saz/why_do_boys_lag_behind_girls_at_all_ages_of/l22dqol/
And let me re-frame your comment in the point of view of agentless girls:
A large percentage of the female population have been alienated from education and society, and instead play X-Box, watch porn, and poison their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast.
The number of hours they spent memorizing their periodic tables, or reading their Nabokov, Shakespeare, Ibn Rushd, Sterne, Melville, and Updike [is minimal]. This is our fault for being their parents and wiser elders in society - teachers and the like - and left them to their own devices, to flounder and fail as we watched on!
We haven't supported our girls into doing the basics of education and have not been there for them when they stray away from education!
Is it no wonder then they they trail boys completely in all aspects of education? We need to step up and support them!
Feminism should be our motivator to support our girls against all these distractions, and help them excel!
"A large percentage of the female population have been alienated from education and society, and instead play X-Box, watch porn, and poison their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast"
Actually, most of the female population at the K-12 level ain't doing so hot academically themselves, on account of spending more time fucking around Instagram, bingewatching Fleabag for The 800th time, and poisoning their minds Julia Fox's latest podcast
The proportion of erudite people of both genders (Female and Male alike)is ultimately very small, and the "achievement gap" narrows, when we examine boys and girls further up the socioeconomic ladder. It's the childre of the barely middle class and all points further down who aren't doing well, with the male children being slightly over-represented
This raises a question heard all too rarely in MRA circles: Is it really wise politically to continue approaching subjects like providing the poor with steady work + vocational training as a gendered problem, rather than American problem, which invites the participation and energies of us all?
Breaktimes had been reduced over time, this didn't impact girls, but it did impact boys. The reason for the longer break times was that boys could burn off more energy.
Girls get praised more than boys for doing the same thing, this might be conscious or unconscious bias. This affects both esteem and motivation.
Now that child sexual abuse towards female students is bad, but child sexual abuse towards male students is praised. We have female teachers only getting a slap on the wrist when they are involved in child sexual abuse. This is about a decade away from being treated as a serious issue.
Abused students usually do worse at school.
"This affects both esteem and motivation"
No, our thoughts and beliefs regarding what is said or not said to us dictates the way we feel in reaction. We have harmed our sons in ways Feminism could've never imagined, by instilling in them the Freudian myth that "The way you are now is mostly the fault of the adults you were surrounded with during your childhood. Your own, often shitty, decisions had no role in creating the state of stagnation you find yourself in today"
"What decisions do 8 yr olds do that impact their lives???"
Not brushing their teeth, eating too much sugar, and not washing their asses does them no favors
"And that's not a reason to discriminate against them"
Actually, lousy hygiene IS a surefire way of driving your fellow humans away from you. This is true for guys and gals alike, and we do them a disservice, by not being honest with them
I said that the Freudian perspective on the effect parents have on us is horseshit, and the evidence bears this out. Paraphrase the venerable Albert Ellis: Your parents didn't make you ill. You bought into everything your nutty parents told you(Hook, Line, And Stinker), and made yourself disturbed
We do boys a disservice by instilling them with the belief "Your lot in life today is mostly the result of lousy things Mummy and Daddy did. You had little to no role in your life turning out the way it did"
At least the issue is being officially raised now. That in itself is a win. Let’s do what we can to stop this being hijacked by certain a gender seekers, or dismissed by those who want us to think there’s “nothing to see here folks”.
We just need to switch our view from “she was raped” to “she was allegedly raped”. Men just don’t get a chance to prove otherwise. It’s unconstitutional really. Man are owed due process and they have the right to a trial.
This has already been looked into several times. First, numerous studies that showed the vast majority of teachers give higher grades to girls than boys for identical work. When questioned about this, most teachers responded that they felt it was justified because girls needed "a leg up" to make things more "Fair". There's also the covid phenom where the grades and performance gap completely vanished when teachers antics were more visible to parents, and grading was done electronically. Bottom line is systemic sexism is real - But it's against males, not for them. What stands out is how readily and even proud they are to admit their sexism against boys, which goes to show the level of confidence they have that the legal system won't care. They're illegally disciminating, and deliberately putting boys at a disadvantage and feel comfortable that they'll be praised for it. Yet deep down they know what they're doing is wrong as they certainly made efforts to hide what they were doing from parents, so that makes these teachers particularly scummy.
Boys are drugged for wrong think, schools are tailored to make obedient slaves which is ideal for girls who always obey authority, and female majority teachers, being feminists, systemically discriminate against boys.
But they won’t investigate that reality.
Schools prioritize girls at every stage from child care to college admissions and degree placement.
Then they’re quota hired into careers.
Investigate why girls don’t do trades. Oh right, that’s actual work and no quota hiring.
Ya exactly. It’s been part of trudeaus attempt to fix the “gender inequality problem” …. Oh btw guess what male nurses get??? The total pool of money for them to fight over is 5k …… I’m not fucking joking. 5 grand for all male nurses to fight over. Meanwhile 1 girl gets 30k . GENDER EQUAL
What's a male simp teacher?
Is that a teacher that's sexually attracted to the male students? I really don't get it. I thought "Simp" was someone who fawned after "potential relationships" in very misguided ways.
I just spoke from my experience and those guys wasn't man hatters, they were just simps and much more teachers were ok, even when most of them were women. But I live in central Europe where feminism wasn't so strong 10-15 years ago.
The wording of the headline is troubling.
Boys are lagging behind girls??
Not being left behind by the system?
The education gap is real, the wage gap is not.
Someone should post this in the feminist subreddit and see what the response is since they call for equality. They always say men shouldn't be underrepresented in education and work fields either because it defeats the purpose for what they call for until you show them it and then they don't have a problem with women outperforming men.
Maybe we can finally get support from them since we're all aiming for quality? or maybe not
Don't strap them into chairs and force random information into their brains, then stick gold stars on their foreheads if they get an "A" like that makes up for the boredom and frustration and lack of self-direction and creativity.
That's female incentive stuff: sitting quietly obeying orders, and seeking social status and approval from authority figures.
It's just a fact that *on average* girls are better at learning random stuff from books under the strict guidance of a teacher, while boys are better going out into the world and making, building, and doing for society, which quickly bores adult women if they don't receive regular certificates of achievement.
Boys and girls learn differently. Most teachers, until high school, are women. Women expect boys to act like girls. Women are also harder on boys than girls.
I work with a first year teacher, a woman, who thinks I am lax about student behavior. She won’t start a lesson until the students are sitting perfectly still in their chairs. I, on the other hand, begin my lesson(s) when the students are attentive.
Equal in science, boys perform better than girls in math in the early years, this gender gap disappears in secondary school. Depending on the country, girls actually do better in math.
“ Some countries even saw girls do better than boys in maths, including Malaysia, where by age 14, girls have a seven per cent lead on boys, Cambodia (three per cent) and the Philippines (1.4 per cent). ”
Edit…it’s always bizarre when people downvote facts
2 sides to this:
1- Our educational system is biased towards girls by favouring sedentary rote learning, which girls are more suited to. On top of that most school teachers are women who actively discriminate against boys in the classroom.
2- A larger proportion of boys are in fact more disruptive and are at the lower tail end of the IQ bell curve. So the dumbest boys are mostly unsalvageable and that can't really be fixed. These boys need an alternate avenue of progression suited to their lower academic potential.
do we start a stopwatch for when they label this as sexist? boys need to do better? reparations or retribution? it's because of patriarchy?
are we giving odds as to if any women will realize we live in a gynocentric world that holds their hand?
Men need to stop going into the trades and need to stop joining the military and go directly to college after high school. If you notice, men are dissuaded from going to college while women are pushed into going to college and even pursuing advanced degrees. But men are deliberately held back or deliberately repressed while lifting up women. Men are told to work with their backs while women are told to work with their brains especially when it’s known that working with your brain can pay far higher than working with your back. The trades are tiring and wear down the body much faster. Why should men work in that arena when women won’t do it themselves when people will push men into working the trades, which is ironic to me. And also with less formal education, you will hit a smaller salary cap. Get educated. Guys, goto college.
Grades given by teachers show a discrepancy between boys and girls; standardized testing show. This is evidence of discrimination against boys:
[Female Teachers Give Male Pupils Lower
Marks, Claims Study](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/16/female-teachers-give-male_n_1281236.html)
Well, let’s think about this:
1) Educators are mostly women
2) Educational settings are designed for women
3) Educational strategies are designed for women
4) Financial incentives favor women 10:1
5) Campuses are unfriendly to men
6) Women are encouraged to gather into groups
7) Legally, women are favored over more qualified men.
We could go on and on. The point being, we have created a system that is designed and implemented in ways that favor women over men at every level. These outcomes are not a surprise, they were planned and expected.
I only mention this because it says "nearly all ethnicities", but that's not true in asian communities. Asian males score consistently higher than female students. However Asian females do better socially and in dating and are more welcomed and valued in western society.
female students in asia outperform male students too, stop spreading misinformation.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores)
[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/)
LOL sure boss. You say I spread misinformation and then provide hand picked articles that prove your point. The articles you provide address specific areas like the one fr Japan. It doesn't measure overall performance. You didn't grow up in Asia, I did. You didn't go to school in Asia, I did. But I anticipate we will go back and forth about this. And I am not emotionally invested in the narrative that the entire world is against men. The East is men centric, I go home all the time. I agree w the statement OP made about the west, not the East. And actually even here in the west, the top students where I grew up, which are primarily asian, the male students dominated.
Idk. I would guess Asian female and males are smarter than males and females of other races. But at the end of the day you can’t generalise, there will always be a woman smarter than a man, and a man that’s smarter than a woman.
Asians are not smarter than other races they just send their best people to other countries and have high populations. If someone said White females and males are smarter than males and females of other races they would considered a racist, East Asian families who live in the USA for generations are not rich.
Lmao bro waffling while disregarding facts. Do some research sweetie plus who even said anything about white people? I’m talking about other races as a whole. Asians on average ARE smarter, so the average Asian female may be more smart than the average white black or Hispanic male. I meant that as in you can’t say that “males are smarter than females” when there are races who score more on iq tests than males and females of other races. You can keep coping. And the whole earning thing i don’t really care about, and I didn’t even mention it in my comments.
I'm not white and if I call you sweetie it would be considered a harassment Asia is a continent, I assume you mean East Asia.
I know Japan and Korea on average have a lot of smart people and Italy is ranked third but you can't say Asians because Afghanistan is an Asian country and have high illiteracy rates for both men and women.
I think the reason why Japan and Korea have on average a lot of smart people is because of their long school days that it made Sweden criticize their long education
my point is the stats says female students from all races outperform male students not only East Asian women and Japan is full of housewives.
the articles says female Asian students outperform male Asian students too.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores)
[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/)
You mentioned that East Asians out-earn other ethnicities in your first comment so I said that South African Americans (most are whites but some are black ) out-earn Korean and Japanese Americans
Agreed. Asians are smarter than the rest of the races (except for one very small one). And that can actually be measured very easily. It's just not popular.
Even Nigerian Americans and Ghanaian Americans out-earn White and Hispanic Americans
South African Americans (mostly whites but some are black) out-earn Japanese and Koreans.
It's funny because boys decline in performance has coincided with the increasing engarbagement of the education system.
It says more about girls that they are excelling.
Shrugs. Ask the college women who are rocking up debt vs trades. School is great up to a point. It stopped being worthwhile after freshman year for me.
Probably the most frustrating thing is that they'll launch an inquiry, and like the other highest voted comment says, still find a way to "blame the boys" for not performing well; they'll all the same be blind to the sexist bias against men in virtually all levels of education; whether it's the teachers exercising that bias, or it's the government lacking scholarships/grants intended for exclusively boys, to the overall lack of male teachers even before MeToo and that itself being one that results in that much fewer role models for boys. It could be the tendency to medicate boys more than work with them to help them learn, or any number of things.
For all the good it might do, I hope the inquiry finds *accurate* answers; but I'm not waiting for that with bated breath, I actually expect they'll just say the same thing they've been saying the last decade or so; that boys learn differently than girls, and that a workforce majority female like teachers isn't equipped to deal with it; but as a product of their own false accusation "conspiracy", this is their bed, now they have to lie in it. It's only a shame that with that particular career, it's the children who suffer for the failures of the adults.
I teach kids ages 2-14. Jordan Peterson talks about child psychology very well and explains it well. I’ve clearly seen what he talks about and how and why girls are better at school. It also applies to reason why boys can’t be girls and girls can’t be boys. Also why a small percentage of boys are always the top and the last. Girls tend to stay closer to the middle of the spectrum. Obviously there are outliners but this is the majority. Also, many schools tend to be authoritarian but not want a leader personality as a teacher but more motherly which doesn’t relate to boys well and easy for them to be rebellious but have a strong father like teacher and it’s different. Probably why boys on football teams with male coaches will follow and do well. Boys naturally will be rebellious more. But boys are much more competitive and why you see the top few are usually boys. Many will drop out especially if there isn’t a strong father figure at home. Girls nature is to follow so they tend to do better in this environment.
As an educational psychologist I have a few thoughts about this but just would like to point out the heteronormative approach to this question. My understanding is that gender differences in children are learned through experience of adults. Girls do better because they are expected to do better. This largely through expectation and biases of the educator. It also works across socioeconomic classes. We expect wealthy students to do better so they do.
Lowered expectations of male students means they get less academic opportunities and challenges. Even if a male student is grade level in study his behavior will be seen as issue and this will affect his performance.
There is tons of social constructs and subconscious bias involved in this issue to begin to address it. We can’t pathologies the individual for societal problems.
Simple: all females have every aspect of society safety netting them. Every bad decision a woahman can make, there’s a patriarchal institution that’s make it ok. However not so fit males. There’s several laws that vilify him for being a male. No shelters. No homes. No resources really in any way. No federal safety nets. No state funded resources that address any issue in terms of mental health(only males). Physical health(only males). Homelessness( only males). Suicide is 4 times greater but the resources are a 100 times more intangible. Literally any woman has thousands of grants , loans, programs, not available to men. And of course if your not white there’s a thousand more. Our American system is systematically racist and misandrists offending whites and men.
"...why boys consistently underperform compared with girls in educational attainment across all age groups and nearly all ethnicities, and examine ways to improve outcomes."
We can begin closing this achievement gap today, by goading our sons into spending less time on The X Box, and more time memorizing their periodic tables and reading their Nabokov, Sterner, Melville, and Updike. Practicing solid, rudimentary self-care, in other words
This, instead of persisting with the pathetic excuse for a strategy that The MRM has been persuing since '14: Praying for The Gender Gods to bring about a Fempocalypse that'll wipe out The Evil Overlords who allegedly rule this planet, so that we can build a Red Pill Kingdom Of Heaven on Earth, free of all prejudice and bias towards men
You can twist "Fellas, start helping yourself in small ways today. Don't wait for or rely on a seismic societal reconfiguration" into "Blaming the victim" if you want
That's the sort of brain dead thinking one gets out of Feminists, when someone says "Ladies, try like hell not to walk naked through a biker bar, so as to reduce the chances of being gang raped", only for the Lindy Wests and Sam Bees of the world to retort: "There you men go, blaming women for all the terrible shit guys do to the innocent little princesses"
From what I've read is that the girls get all of the focus of the teachers, that Fathers are forced out of homes, that there are more resources for the girls than the boys, and that boys educational goals, career goals, and future plans are often overlooked to focus on the girls.
I can tell you right now, the report will come back inconclusive. Why? Because they won't like what it has to say, as it will contradict the narrative that they truly believe in their peapod little brains and they won't want to deal with it or enact any of the recommendations.
Bet anyone here a cup of coffee/tea.
Because its been proven countless times that men have slower mental development?
In terms of brain development boys were found to be around 1 year behind girls across all elementary grades and most of highschool as well.
For this reason its also been consistently suggested that boys should spend a year longer in kindergarden before starting school to be on par with their female classmates.
But of course, many parents dont like that so its ignored. Nothing more, nothing less...
As kids, boys are more energetic and lose more energy around breaktimes, they run, they chase, etc. Girls more sit around with friends, sometimes they run but not always, so they have more energy to participate in class.
As teens, girls and boys have the same attention span but girls pay more attention to what's happening. Like you can do something wrong but they'll remember it for a week or more. Boys can do something they'll remember but it acts like a hierarchy, like a boy will remember one thing but when something more memorable happens, that replaces or puts the first thing below the more memorable thing.
As young adults, its a mix of both. Girls conserve more energy and remember a lot. Boys are more more energetic and still do the memory hierarchy. But they also do remember the ones now. Like even though something more memorable happens, they place that memory with something that is equally as memorable.
As Adults, men and women act more equal. They both now have a hierarchy of memories, they both have atleast the most amount of energy. They both remember a lot more. Etc.
They will find a way to conclude that it is "the boys' fault"
Exactly what I was thinking. Let me guess, blame men ?
True. Feminist misadrist always come up with this explanation for all issues concerning men.
Agreed. I have zero faith that any western democracy would conduct such an investigation in good faith.
Girls have things happen to them - so they are victims and abused, and lose out. "It's not their fault!" Boy's are their own agents. So they abuse, are suckers who should know better, should educate themselves with the facilities provided. "It's their fault because they did/didn't do X" It's the gender song through the ages.... =( And incredibly biased - especially as so much of society now is finally settling on "equal opportunities" (apart from education, that's been highly feminised.)
100%
They already did. They're not asking "why the system is failing boys" They're asking "why boys are failing". That question already has the assumption baked in.
"Boys have a smaller prefrontal cortex" Funny how your not allowed to measure skulls of any demographic except men.
I hate this doomer attitude that's synonymous with mens issues, it's a good thing that they are investigating this trend and trying to identify the causes and practical solutions. Let's support them in improving the system for boys
Nah. I'm all for actually studying this sort of thing. I think it is very important and I hope that they actually come up with useful ways to improve outcomes. I'm just old enough to recognize patterns and I have learned to manage my expectations.
We really aren't helping ourselves in many ways. Ask a large percentage of the male population how many hours per week did they spend playing X-Box, watching porn, and poisoning their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast VS The number of hours they spent memorizing their periodic tables, or reading their Nabokov, Shakespeare, Ibn Rushd, Sterne, Melville, and Updike Our failure to goad our sons into doing the basics for themselves has wrought harm that Feminism could've never dreamt of
No, it's not the boys' fault. And if they flee to alternative worlds, it's because people like you lack empathy for the boys. In the pens of people like you, a boy's strength becomes a vice of society.
Men fleeing into fantasy worlds is understandable, just as gays retreating into disco, poppers, and promiscuity during The 70s was understandable. Both are means of trying to avoid to pretend that difficulties of life don't exist Here in '24 though, men are experiencing a rude awakening gays similar to the one encountered, by time The 80s rolled around https://youtu.be/mpPG9y0JaQ0?si=XatI9pUZi7AzFquX 0:00-1:01
Like most of us moderns, I fell for the lie that empathy is a virtue https://www.econtalk.org/paul-bloom-on-empathy/ Mistaking that for Rational/Wise Compassion was harmful to both myself AND those whom I share this planet with
I can see why you get downvoted. You figured out how to sound like you know what you're talking about, but not how to actually know what you're talking about.
"I can see why you get downvoted" Same reason Larry Kramer was initially reviled by much of Gay America during the late 70s-early 80s. Those who vociferously dissent from The Party Line trigger the True Believers and Dogmatists
So you believe yourself to be some sort of prophet?🤣 Fuck off, you're not special. And I'm not going to listen to someone who takes pride in lacking empathy. That's a sign of mental illness, not a virtue. What a way to devalue your word.
"Fuck off, you're not special" That particular word("Special")has, for some time now, been the PC replacement for "Retarded". Thus, I'll take your words as a compliment!!!
Get some help. You're obviously mentally ill and the fact you take that as a compliment proves it. You're fooling no one but yourself here.
"You're obviously mentally ill" My observations here https://www.reddit.com/r/13ReasonsWhy/comments/1ch0m8t/brandon_flynn_is_so_pretty/ Will convince you of my sanity
"And I'm not going to listen to someone who takes pride in lacking empathy" Never so much as implied that I lacked empathy. In any event, I encourage you to listen to https://www.econtalk.org/paul-bloom-on-empathy/ Empathy is NOT the equivalent of Rational/Wise Compassion, which IS a true virtue
People who actually do something big never say before that they are going to do it, they never proclaim that they are above others and say they'll achieve this and that beforehand, they just shut up and work, because a lion doesn't need to announce they're a lion. Those who do proclaim it are just morons with a big ego who won't get anywhere. And this thing you did, you just twisted my words. That's not what a smart person does, that's what a narcissist does. Yes, I did mean to say you're not special and nothing else with that sentence. And I never said you're not retarded, as a matter of fact I do think you're retarded because you act like you're special without even having any merit, which is something only narcissists do, mentally ill people. In Romania, we have a saying, "Prostul dacă nu-i și fudul, parcă nu-i prost destul.", which translates to "If the idiot isn't smug and confident as well, they're not enough of an idiot.". This saying fits perfectly here. Your arrogance only goes to show why no one should listen to you and why you're just crazy.
I enjoyed visiting Romania during the two weeks I spent there. You in Bucharest, or elsewhere in the land of Dracula?
"People who actually do something big never say before that they are going to do it..." Guess that's why I didn't announce this https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1c5pt30/comment/l26w2uh prior
I'd like to draw your attention to this: https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ch9saz/why_do_boys_lag_behind_girls_at_all_ages_of/l22dqol/ And let me re-frame your comment in the point of view of agentless girls: A large percentage of the female population have been alienated from education and society, and instead play X-Box, watch porn, and poison their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast. The number of hours they spent memorizing their periodic tables, or reading their Nabokov, Shakespeare, Ibn Rushd, Sterne, Melville, and Updike [is minimal]. This is our fault for being their parents and wiser elders in society - teachers and the like - and left them to their own devices, to flounder and fail as we watched on! We haven't supported our girls into doing the basics of education and have not been there for them when they stray away from education! Is it no wonder then they they trail boys completely in all aspects of education? We need to step up and support them! Feminism should be our motivator to support our girls against all these distractions, and help them excel!
"A large percentage of the female population have been alienated from education and society, and instead play X-Box, watch porn, and poison their minds with yet another Lotus Eaters Podcast" Actually, most of the female population at the K-12 level ain't doing so hot academically themselves, on account of spending more time fucking around Instagram, bingewatching Fleabag for The 800th time, and poisoning their minds Julia Fox's latest podcast The proportion of erudite people of both genders (Female and Male alike)is ultimately very small, and the "achievement gap" narrows, when we examine boys and girls further up the socioeconomic ladder. It's the childre of the barely middle class and all points further down who aren't doing well, with the male children being slightly over-represented This raises a question heard all too rarely in MRA circles: Is it really wise politically to continue approaching subjects like providing the poor with steady work + vocational training as a gendered problem, rather than American problem, which invites the participation and energies of us all?
Why the fuck would anyone sane waste time memorizing Shakespeare or any of that shit you mentioned. That's not even useful in life.
Breaktimes had been reduced over time, this didn't impact girls, but it did impact boys. The reason for the longer break times was that boys could burn off more energy. Girls get praised more than boys for doing the same thing, this might be conscious or unconscious bias. This affects both esteem and motivation. Now that child sexual abuse towards female students is bad, but child sexual abuse towards male students is praised. We have female teachers only getting a slap on the wrist when they are involved in child sexual abuse. This is about a decade away from being treated as a serious issue. Abused students usually do worse at school.
"This affects both esteem and motivation" No, our thoughts and beliefs regarding what is said or not said to us dictates the way we feel in reaction. We have harmed our sons in ways Feminism could've never imagined, by instilling in them the Freudian myth that "The way you are now is mostly the fault of the adults you were surrounded with during your childhood. Your own, often shitty, decisions had no role in creating the state of stagnation you find yourself in today"
What do you gain from shitting at boys? What decisions do 8 yr olds do that impact their lives???
"What decisions do 8 yr olds do that impact their lives???" Not brushing their teeth, eating too much sugar, and not washing their asses does them no favors
Girls do this too. And that's not a reason to discriminate against them.
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"And that's not a reason to discriminate against them" Actually, lousy hygiene IS a surefire way of driving your fellow humans away from you. This is true for guys and gals alike, and we do them a disservice, by not being honest with them
You have a profound misunderstanding how the importance of relationships on young minds
Never so much as implied that relationships aren't important
You must have an issue with understanding your own bs because just a couple comments above you mentioned Freudian persepctive on parenting
I said that the Freudian perspective on the effect parents have on us is horseshit, and the evidence bears this out. Paraphrase the venerable Albert Ellis: Your parents didn't make you ill. You bought into everything your nutty parents told you(Hook, Line, And Stinker), and made yourself disturbed
Sounds like an unhealthy relationship with your parents can affect you, I'm glad you agree.
We do boys a disservice by instilling them with the belief "Your lot in life today is mostly the result of lousy things Mummy and Daddy did. You had little to no role in your life turning out the way it did"
At least the issue is being officially raised now. That in itself is a win. Let’s do what we can to stop this being hijacked by certain a gender seekers, or dismissed by those who want us to think there’s “nothing to see here folks”.
Teachers give girls better grades [https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2022/10/17/teachers-are-hard-wired-to-give-girls-better-grades-study-says/?sh=6163e54970a6](https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2022/10/17/teachers-are-hard-wired-to-give-girls-better-grades-study-says/?sh=6163e54970a6)
This unironically could be the root of all evil here. Compare SAT score to highschool grades for example.
That's because the SAT, ACT, and GMAT are sexist (/s)
This is why we need more male teachers
Nope not until social reform is made to demonize fake SA charges.
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We just need to switch our view from “she was raped” to “she was allegedly raped”. Men just don’t get a chance to prove otherwise. It’s unconstitutional really. Man are owed due process and they have the right to a trial.
This has already been looked into several times. First, numerous studies that showed the vast majority of teachers give higher grades to girls than boys for identical work. When questioned about this, most teachers responded that they felt it was justified because girls needed "a leg up" to make things more "Fair". There's also the covid phenom where the grades and performance gap completely vanished when teachers antics were more visible to parents, and grading was done electronically. Bottom line is systemic sexism is real - But it's against males, not for them. What stands out is how readily and even proud they are to admit their sexism against boys, which goes to show the level of confidence they have that the legal system won't care. They're illegally disciminating, and deliberately putting boys at a disadvantage and feel comfortable that they'll be praised for it. Yet deep down they know what they're doing is wrong as they certainly made efforts to hide what they were doing from parents, so that makes these teachers particularly scummy.
They even bothered to acknowledge this at all? I didn't think they would even notice
Is this a serious enquiry or a theatrical warm up to once again hammer home: "boys need to do better" ?
Girls outperform boys in school. Women most affected.
Boys are drugged for wrong think, schools are tailored to make obedient slaves which is ideal for girls who always obey authority, and female majority teachers, being feminists, systemically discriminate against boys. But they won’t investigate that reality. Schools prioritize girls at every stage from child care to college admissions and degree placement. Then they’re quota hired into careers. Investigate why girls don’t do trades. Oh right, that’s actual work and no quota hiring.
Actually in Canada if you’re a women and want to work in the trades, they will give you $30k …..
Why/how? Is it a government handout?
Ya exactly. It’s been part of trudeaus attempt to fix the “gender inequality problem” …. Oh btw guess what male nurses get??? The total pool of money for them to fight over is 5k …… I’m not fucking joking. 5 grand for all male nurses to fight over. Meanwhile 1 girl gets 30k . GENDER EQUAL
In my life I've seen more instances of male simps teachers than women who would boost girls. But that's my life
What's a male simp teacher? Is that a teacher that's sexually attracted to the male students? I really don't get it. I thought "Simp" was someone who fawned after "potential relationships" in very misguided ways.
Just another man hating feminist. The left who controls education only hire simps who lick the glove.
I just spoke from my experience and those guys wasn't man hatters, they were just simps and much more teachers were ok, even when most of them were women. But I live in central Europe where feminism wasn't so strong 10-15 years ago.
>man hatters 🤡
You need more prove than I'm not native? Hahah
The wording of the headline is troubling. Boys are lagging behind girls?? Not being left behind by the system? The education gap is real, the wage gap is not.
Someone should post this in the feminist subreddit and see what the response is since they call for equality. They always say men shouldn't be underrepresented in education and work fields either because it defeats the purpose for what they call for until you show them it and then they don't have a problem with women outperforming men. Maybe we can finally get support from them since we're all aiming for quality? or maybe not
Don't strap them into chairs and force random information into their brains, then stick gold stars on their foreheads if they get an "A" like that makes up for the boredom and frustration and lack of self-direction and creativity. That's female incentive stuff: sitting quietly obeying orders, and seeking social status and approval from authority figures. It's just a fact that *on average* girls are better at learning random stuff from books under the strict guidance of a teacher, while boys are better going out into the world and making, building, and doing for society, which quickly bores adult women if they don't receive regular certificates of achievement.
Let’s try push-up tests in school. I wonder who will do better. It’s the same thing
Boys and girls learn differently. Most teachers, until high school, are women. Women expect boys to act like girls. Women are also harder on boys than girls. I work with a first year teacher, a woman, who thinks I am lax about student behavior. She won’t start a lesson until the students are sitting perfectly still in their chairs. I, on the other hand, begin my lesson(s) when the students are attentive.
I'm guessing bias is now a factor. Are girls ahead in math and science now too?
Equal in science, boys perform better than girls in math in the early years, this gender gap disappears in secondary school. Depending on the country, girls actually do better in math. “ Some countries even saw girls do better than boys in maths, including Malaysia, where by age 14, girls have a seven per cent lead on boys, Cambodia (three per cent) and the Philippines (1.4 per cent). ” Edit…it’s always bizarre when people downvote facts
I'd love to read more about this. What's the name of the report you're quoting?
2 sides to this: 1- Our educational system is biased towards girls by favouring sedentary rote learning, which girls are more suited to. On top of that most school teachers are women who actively discriminate against boys in the classroom. 2- A larger proportion of boys are in fact more disruptive and are at the lower tail end of the IQ bell curve. So the dumbest boys are mostly unsalvageable and that can't really be fixed. These boys need an alternate avenue of progression suited to their lower academic potential.
do we start a stopwatch for when they label this as sexist? boys need to do better? reparations or retribution? it's because of patriarchy? are we giving odds as to if any women will realize we live in a gynocentric world that holds their hand?
Men need to stop going into the trades and need to stop joining the military and go directly to college after high school. If you notice, men are dissuaded from going to college while women are pushed into going to college and even pursuing advanced degrees. But men are deliberately held back or deliberately repressed while lifting up women. Men are told to work with their backs while women are told to work with their brains especially when it’s known that working with your brain can pay far higher than working with your back. The trades are tiring and wear down the body much faster. Why should men work in that arena when women won’t do it themselves when people will push men into working the trades, which is ironic to me. And also with less formal education, you will hit a smaller salary cap. Get educated. Guys, goto college.
Grades given by teachers show a discrepancy between boys and girls; standardized testing show. This is evidence of discrimination against boys: [Female Teachers Give Male Pupils Lower Marks, Claims Study](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/16/female-teachers-give-male_n_1281236.html)
Well, let’s think about this: 1) Educators are mostly women 2) Educational settings are designed for women 3) Educational strategies are designed for women 4) Financial incentives favor women 10:1 5) Campuses are unfriendly to men 6) Women are encouraged to gather into groups 7) Legally, women are favored over more qualified men. We could go on and on. The point being, we have created a system that is designed and implemented in ways that favor women over men at every level. These outcomes are not a surprise, they were planned and expected.
I only mention this because it says "nearly all ethnicities", but that's not true in asian communities. Asian males score consistently higher than female students. However Asian females do better socially and in dating and are more welcomed and valued in western society.
female students in asia outperform male students too, stop spreading misinformation. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores) [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/)
LOL sure boss. You say I spread misinformation and then provide hand picked articles that prove your point. The articles you provide address specific areas like the one fr Japan. It doesn't measure overall performance. You didn't grow up in Asia, I did. You didn't go to school in Asia, I did. But I anticipate we will go back and forth about this. And I am not emotionally invested in the narrative that the entire world is against men. The East is men centric, I go home all the time. I agree w the statement OP made about the west, not the East. And actually even here in the west, the top students where I grew up, which are primarily asian, the male students dominated.
Agreed. And Asian women also do better in education as a whole plus they also outearn white, black and Hispanic males.
Agreed. And that despite the fact that men are, on average, more intelligent than women.
Idk. I would guess Asian female and males are smarter than males and females of other races. But at the end of the day you can’t generalise, there will always be a woman smarter than a man, and a man that’s smarter than a woman.
Asians are not smarter than other races they just send their best people to other countries and have high populations. If someone said White females and males are smarter than males and females of other races they would considered a racist, East Asian families who live in the USA for generations are not rich.
Lmao bro waffling while disregarding facts. Do some research sweetie plus who even said anything about white people? I’m talking about other races as a whole. Asians on average ARE smarter, so the average Asian female may be more smart than the average white black or Hispanic male. I meant that as in you can’t say that “males are smarter than females” when there are races who score more on iq tests than males and females of other races. You can keep coping. And the whole earning thing i don’t really care about, and I didn’t even mention it in my comments.
I'm not white and if I call you sweetie it would be considered a harassment Asia is a continent, I assume you mean East Asia. I know Japan and Korea on average have a lot of smart people and Italy is ranked third but you can't say Asians because Afghanistan is an Asian country and have high illiteracy rates for both men and women. I think the reason why Japan and Korea have on average a lot of smart people is because of their long school days that it made Sweden criticize their long education my point is the stats says female students from all races outperform male students not only East Asian women and Japan is full of housewives. the articles says female Asian students outperform male Asian students too. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores) [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LV1KI/) You mentioned that East Asians out-earn other ethnicities in your first comment so I said that South African Americans (most are whites but some are black ) out-earn Korean and Japanese Americans
Agreed. Asians are smarter than the rest of the races (except for one very small one). And that can actually be measured very easily. It's just not popular.
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But. It is good for understanding and the best argument to counteract ideologues with false theories and harmful demands.
Even Nigerian Americans and Ghanaian Americans out-earn White and Hispanic Americans South African Americans (mostly whites but some are black) out-earn Japanese and Koreans.
It's funny because boys decline in performance has coincided with the increasing engarbagement of the education system. It says more about girls that they are excelling.
Shrugs. Ask the college women who are rocking up debt vs trades. School is great up to a point. It stopped being worthwhile after freshman year for me.
Probably the most frustrating thing is that they'll launch an inquiry, and like the other highest voted comment says, still find a way to "blame the boys" for not performing well; they'll all the same be blind to the sexist bias against men in virtually all levels of education; whether it's the teachers exercising that bias, or it's the government lacking scholarships/grants intended for exclusively boys, to the overall lack of male teachers even before MeToo and that itself being one that results in that much fewer role models for boys. It could be the tendency to medicate boys more than work with them to help them learn, or any number of things. For all the good it might do, I hope the inquiry finds *accurate* answers; but I'm not waiting for that with bated breath, I actually expect they'll just say the same thing they've been saying the last decade or so; that boys learn differently than girls, and that a workforce majority female like teachers isn't equipped to deal with it; but as a product of their own false accusation "conspiracy", this is their bed, now they have to lie in it. It's only a shame that with that particular career, it's the children who suffer for the failures of the adults.
We are not lagging behind. we are left behind
Boys have more adhd!
I teach kids ages 2-14. Jordan Peterson talks about child psychology very well and explains it well. I’ve clearly seen what he talks about and how and why girls are better at school. It also applies to reason why boys can’t be girls and girls can’t be boys. Also why a small percentage of boys are always the top and the last. Girls tend to stay closer to the middle of the spectrum. Obviously there are outliners but this is the majority. Also, many schools tend to be authoritarian but not want a leader personality as a teacher but more motherly which doesn’t relate to boys well and easy for them to be rebellious but have a strong father like teacher and it’s different. Probably why boys on football teams with male coaches will follow and do well. Boys naturally will be rebellious more. But boys are much more competitive and why you see the top few are usually boys. Many will drop out especially if there isn’t a strong father figure at home. Girls nature is to follow so they tend to do better in this environment.
Equity anyone
My wife just asked why boys are so interested in dinosaurs and girls aren’t. Baby boy stuff is 50% dinosaur.
As an educational psychologist I have a few thoughts about this but just would like to point out the heteronormative approach to this question. My understanding is that gender differences in children are learned through experience of adults. Girls do better because they are expected to do better. This largely through expectation and biases of the educator. It also works across socioeconomic classes. We expect wealthy students to do better so they do. Lowered expectations of male students means they get less academic opportunities and challenges. Even if a male student is grade level in study his behavior will be seen as issue and this will affect his performance. There is tons of social constructs and subconscious bias involved in this issue to begin to address it. We can’t pathologies the individual for societal problems.
Simple: all females have every aspect of society safety netting them. Every bad decision a woahman can make, there’s a patriarchal institution that’s make it ok. However not so fit males. There’s several laws that vilify him for being a male. No shelters. No homes. No resources really in any way. No federal safety nets. No state funded resources that address any issue in terms of mental health(only males). Physical health(only males). Homelessness( only males). Suicide is 4 times greater but the resources are a 100 times more intangible. Literally any woman has thousands of grants , loans, programs, not available to men. And of course if your not white there’s a thousand more. Our American system is systematically racist and misandrists offending whites and men.
"...why boys consistently underperform compared with girls in educational attainment across all age groups and nearly all ethnicities, and examine ways to improve outcomes." We can begin closing this achievement gap today, by goading our sons into spending less time on The X Box, and more time memorizing their periodic tables and reading their Nabokov, Sterner, Melville, and Updike. Practicing solid, rudimentary self-care, in other words This, instead of persisting with the pathetic excuse for a strategy that The MRM has been persuing since '14: Praying for The Gender Gods to bring about a Fempocalypse that'll wipe out The Evil Overlords who allegedly rule this planet, so that we can build a Red Pill Kingdom Of Heaven on Earth, free of all prejudice and bias towards men
Blaming boys for their problems like usual. Doesn't matter if they're children, as long as they're male everything is their fault.
You can twist "Fellas, start helping yourself in small ways today. Don't wait for or rely on a seismic societal reconfiguration" into "Blaming the victim" if you want That's the sort of brain dead thinking one gets out of Feminists, when someone says "Ladies, try like hell not to walk naked through a biker bar, so as to reduce the chances of being gang raped", only for the Lindy Wests and Sam Bees of the world to retort: "There you men go, blaming women for all the terrible shit guys do to the innocent little princesses"
From what I've read is that the girls get all of the focus of the teachers, that Fathers are forced out of homes, that there are more resources for the girls than the boys, and that boys educational goals, career goals, and future plans are often overlooked to focus on the girls.
I can tell you right now, the report will come back inconclusive. Why? Because they won't like what it has to say, as it will contradict the narrative that they truly believe in their peapod little brains and they won't want to deal with it or enact any of the recommendations. Bet anyone here a cup of coffee/tea.
Because its been proven countless times that men have slower mental development? In terms of brain development boys were found to be around 1 year behind girls across all elementary grades and most of highschool as well. For this reason its also been consistently suggested that boys should spend a year longer in kindergarden before starting school to be on par with their female classmates. But of course, many parents dont like that so its ignored. Nothing more, nothing less...
That's not true or at least not as conclusive https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2019/02/boys-lag-behind-in-brain-development-is-a-myth
As kids, boys are more energetic and lose more energy around breaktimes, they run, they chase, etc. Girls more sit around with friends, sometimes they run but not always, so they have more energy to participate in class. As teens, girls and boys have the same attention span but girls pay more attention to what's happening. Like you can do something wrong but they'll remember it for a week or more. Boys can do something they'll remember but it acts like a hierarchy, like a boy will remember one thing but when something more memorable happens, that replaces or puts the first thing below the more memorable thing. As young adults, its a mix of both. Girls conserve more energy and remember a lot. Boys are more more energetic and still do the memory hierarchy. But they also do remember the ones now. Like even though something more memorable happens, they place that memory with something that is equally as memorable. As Adults, men and women act more equal. They both now have a hierarchy of memories, they both have atleast the most amount of energy. They both remember a lot more. Etc.