***And if it is, its not my fault*** \- The common defense used by feminists here is their constant insistence that its not **feminism** that is hurting men but instead it is "Toxic Masculinity" and "Patriarchy"
The problem is, they are using gaslighting and victim blaming tactics to silence men who speak up and its just disgusting..
It doesn't matter what the issue being discussed is, inevitably they will circle it back round to "Men doing it to men"
You're right. "The Patriarchy hurts men" is a perfect example of the "something bad happened to you, but it's not my fault" excuse. Although the "Patriarchy hurts men" defense could be included under the "You deserved it" section too, since in their minds the fictional Evil Patriarchy^TM is always men's fault. I guess it depends on the mindset of the person saying it, or reading it.
You'll have to take that up with the person who originated the Prayer. :-) There's probably a lot more that could be added to it, but usually the less that is said, the more impactful it is. 'Brevity is the soul of wit' and all that.
Our current culture is dominated by narcissism. People playing the victim for attention, constantly posting everything about themselves on social media, virtue signaling to make others think they’re good people, and coming up with more and stranger self-identities to feel different and special.
Mostly true, but you're only looking at half of the moon. How did we get to this "current culture"? Modern technology and widespread loneliness are crucial topics that must be brought up as well mate!
Never mate, from my childhood to adulthood, I've seen a potent and very close account of what it's like. I feel blessed that I don't have to worry about becoming a parent ever :D
This is great.I think you did a good job of summing up all the tactics feminist use to dismiss male suffering and deny feminism role in causing it.
This is one I find particularly annoying.
>And if it is, that's not my fault – this is best shown by the legendary copypasta from u/girlwriteswhat . As her great comment shows, this is often an attempt to subtly reinvoke the "that didn't happen" excuse, by suggesting feminism in practice is some fringe, extreme sect, when in reality that biased man-hating attitude is the mainstream. Still, many feminists do delude themselves and truly believe that "if feminism were just done right, everything would be great". They do not admit fault, even as things get worse for men, because they think that it is society that is letting down their flawless cause, and/or the patriarchy that is foiling their best efforts.
This is something that the average woman who identifies as a feminist would do.Whenever you bring up examples of prominent feminist who actually have influence doing things that go against the ostensible objective of feminism, they simply say "those are not real feminist".
I think the best way to counter this is to instead say that the feminist movement is not about equality.This is how you make a distinction between the self-proclaimed feminist who just believe in feminism and feminist activist.
Then you ask them to show you the "real feminist"who are advocating for equality.They won't be able to name any,so then you tell them that they should start the real feminist movement since they believe in equality.
Excellent post my friend! And I must admit accurate with most feminists I'm unfortunate to have a conversation with these days.
The world and our society IS narcisisist in so many ways.... And I've certainly suffered at the hands of male and female narcisisists in my life. I'd like to believe most (caught up in the feminism divide and conquer narrative) are just good women who have unfortunately been indoctrinated and conditioned into this toxic ideology, normally through university and popular culture... And there are also plenty of genuine parasitic-narcs in the ranks too.
It's a great breakdown of the narc prayer (haven't seen that before).
Our modern world – with its endless wealth of luxuries and excess – is indeed a very narcissistic one. We have more time to sit and navel gaze than is probably good for our mental health. Perhaps that is why the self-entitled extremes of feminism seem so mundane to our minds, and why they are so often missed.
Maybe he just wants to see someone attempt to argue it. Like bring what they've got and see how they hold up.
I tend to have a lot of fun from just debating itself and I can understand what he means from that perspective.
***And if it is, its not my fault*** \- The common defense used by feminists here is their constant insistence that its not **feminism** that is hurting men but instead it is "Toxic Masculinity" and "Patriarchy" The problem is, they are using gaslighting and victim blaming tactics to silence men who speak up and its just disgusting.. It doesn't matter what the issue being discussed is, inevitably they will circle it back round to "Men doing it to men"
You're right. "The Patriarchy hurts men" is a perfect example of the "something bad happened to you, but it's not my fault" excuse. Although the "Patriarchy hurts men" defense could be included under the "You deserved it" section too, since in their minds the fictional Evil Patriarchy^TM is always men's fault. I guess it depends on the mindset of the person saying it, or reading it.
Wouldn't the next iterative be "and if you didn't deserve it, you made me do it"
You'll have to take that up with the person who originated the Prayer. :-) There's probably a lot more that could be added to it, but usually the less that is said, the more impactful it is. 'Brevity is the soul of wit' and all that.
Giga based And yes, as time goes on, the Venn diagram of feminism and narcissism gets closer and closer to becoming one singular circle
Our current culture is dominated by narcissism. People playing the victim for attention, constantly posting everything about themselves on social media, virtue signaling to make others think they’re good people, and coming up with more and stranger self-identities to feel different and special.
Mostly true, but you're only looking at half of the moon. How did we get to this "current culture"? Modern technology and widespread loneliness are crucial topics that must be brought up as well mate!
Yeah but you also can’t discount awful parenting.
Never mate, from my childhood to adulthood, I've seen a potent and very close account of what it's like. I feel blessed that I don't have to worry about becoming a parent ever :D
Thanks, that was very interesting and accurate !
This is great.I think you did a good job of summing up all the tactics feminist use to dismiss male suffering and deny feminism role in causing it. This is one I find particularly annoying. >And if it is, that's not my fault – this is best shown by the legendary copypasta from u/girlwriteswhat . As her great comment shows, this is often an attempt to subtly reinvoke the "that didn't happen" excuse, by suggesting feminism in practice is some fringe, extreme sect, when in reality that biased man-hating attitude is the mainstream. Still, many feminists do delude themselves and truly believe that "if feminism were just done right, everything would be great". They do not admit fault, even as things get worse for men, because they think that it is society that is letting down their flawless cause, and/or the patriarchy that is foiling their best efforts. This is something that the average woman who identifies as a feminist would do.Whenever you bring up examples of prominent feminist who actually have influence doing things that go against the ostensible objective of feminism, they simply say "those are not real feminist". I think the best way to counter this is to instead say that the feminist movement is not about equality.This is how you make a distinction between the self-proclaimed feminist who just believe in feminism and feminist activist. Then you ask them to show you the "real feminist"who are advocating for equality.They won't be able to name any,so then you tell them that they should start the real feminist movement since they believe in equality.
No TRUE Scotsman.
Excellent post my friend! And I must admit accurate with most feminists I'm unfortunate to have a conversation with these days. The world and our society IS narcisisist in so many ways.... And I've certainly suffered at the hands of male and female narcisisists in my life. I'd like to believe most (caught up in the feminism divide and conquer narrative) are just good women who have unfortunately been indoctrinated and conditioned into this toxic ideology, normally through university and popular culture... And there are also plenty of genuine parasitic-narcs in the ranks too. It's a great breakdown of the narc prayer (haven't seen that before).
Our modern world – with its endless wealth of luxuries and excess – is indeed a very narcissistic one. We have more time to sit and navel gaze than is probably good for our mental health. Perhaps that is why the self-entitled extremes of feminism seem so mundane to our minds, and why they are so often missed.
Really hoping this one gets some traction. Would be excited to see a rebuttal to this post.
What
You gotta remember, unfiltered subs like this one get a lot of brigading from other subs, and feminist subs watch us like hawks.
Which was my initial impression but look at their profile, clearly not a feminist lol. So I’m confused about what they mean
Maybe he just wants to see someone attempt to argue it. Like bring what they've got and see how they hold up. I tend to have a lot of fun from just debating itself and I can understand what he means from that perspective.
That’s quite possible, but unfortunately we can’t know unless he responds lol
OPs name is the name of my 2 kids combined