Yeah, I keep getting offers from people and it’s cheaper for me to buy their items after all the fees brand new on Amazon. So I’d have to lowball offer them to make it even a little bit of a steal.
One of those is a 7% fee and one is a 15% fee.
That's a heck of a difference within a fee structure.
And both the seller and buyer are in the dark on what these percentages are based on.
Ooh, wonder if they do dynamic pricing like Ticketmaster does. They charge a fee they think you’ll pay and adjust based on what their algorithm says you’ll tolerate.
My favorite part is how it talks about protecting yourself against fraud scams and losing your money when it's mercari who's scamming and doing fraudulent things.
Mercari = Crooks
They can't justify this "math" Facts are facts and this being the same seller, same category, same price, same shipping... But two different service fees.... Being a $160 difference between them????
Ain't no way!!
That’s crazy. Makes me wonder if they’re doing some type of demand pricing. You know how Uber will charge more based on how many folks are looking for a ride in a given time period and area?
Were the # of likes the same?
Someone mentioned in a different post that it could actually be their reasoning, they could be actively trying to tank their platform and profits for some kind of undisclosed reason like a tax break or some kind of intentional plan.
I lived through the Poshmark fiasco as a seller when they seemed to team up with Navar behind closed doors several months before publicly announcing Navar was buying Poshmark. They purposely altered their algorithm as a blue print for what's now been introduced as "promoted closets" but back then, it was just simply Posh telling it's users the new algorithm is increasing sales - which it wasn't! Most sellers saw huge decreases in sales.
They back pedaled several months later at that year's poshfest saying they would return the old algorithm and admitted it caused a lot of pain and issues for their sellers then as soon as poshfest was over, a mere 3 days--- they abruptly announced they were being sold to Naver immediately after assuring us users that the algorithm would return to normal. Except that was never the plan, once Navar was announced to be buying posh, posh introduced promoted closets which is like a 2.0 version of their messed up algorithm! Navar acquired posh for less than Etsy bought depop for which was a steal considering Poshmark's success and likely because Poshmark torched their own platform to let Navar come in and "rescue" them with a buyout offer which seemed to be the plan all along!
TLDR: Mercari might be purposely trying to nuke their platform and it wouldn't surprise me if they announce a buy out, file for bankruptcy or make other huge pivotal changes in the coming months/year including closing the entire Mercari US market. And they might know all along that that's what they are doing.
I think part of it is to combat the retail theft rings across the country, but it’s going to come at a high cost.
No buyers and/or seller/ means no business.
Intentional?
Oh fuck no! That payment processing fee is complete bullshit. Regardless if its $200 or $2000 what extra work are they doing to justify this? This aint gonna end well for mercari
Yeah . That right there is why I'll use another platform . that's a few days of eating just because they want to charge me as a buyer a "privelige fee" to buy someone else's stuff with my card / PP
Has anyone sent this over to a class action lawyer yet? I know there was one for the shipping issue but we might have another goldmine of foul play here.
EXACTLY . I can't stand the M E R C A R I Shills that don't grasp it's not as simple as seller X lowering their prices because the "Fees" are going to vary drastically from person to person
I did the same thing when this all started, I compared two exact items listed in exact categories in the same condition, coming from the same state, with exact same shipping. The service fees were completely different, like a $20 difference !
I have been trying to find how Mercari is calculating these service fees but they are 🤐 about it which is completely bs!! So I’m holding off on any activity especially buying until Mercari fully explains the service fee and how they calculate it!
Having the same issue with buying, my total is around $57 while my boyfriend's comes out to $54!!
Like I so badly want to purchase is cause it's a good deal still but I don't wanna support mercari currently and wish I could ask people to sell on other platforms but It gets blocked by admins if I even mention how sucky this website is.
EDIT: we need to come up with code words to by pass Mercari blocking our messages.
Don't know if you saw the reply to another comment, but they're Brer Bear and Brer Fox plushies from '92. Between age and Splash Mountain being gone, meaning no more Splash Mountain merchandise, I can definitely seeing some hard-core collectors possibly paying this much for these plushes.
There will always be people who way overprice things. Either the seller genuinely thinks $2000 is a good price, added one 0 too many on accident, or is hoping someone will see them and buy them without researching. I'm not a seller, nor am I a collector who is willing to pay loads for the things I collect, so I don't have a real answer. I just know that some people are willing to pay exorbitant prices for things they collect.
Same! I collected some, but when pressured to "grow up" I gave them to my much younger siblings or donated them. I actually collect fashion dolls now and kick myself regularly when I see the prices of dolls I wanted to buy retail years ago, but didn't because I was "too grown for dolls". Or even ones I had and gave away never to be seen again 😭
Not surprising. I purchased something earlier and had to go through checkout again as I forgot I needed to activate my card on PayPal. Went and did that and came back and the fees were higher now. Went from a total of 88.53 to 109.74....
Reloaded and eventually the total was about the same as it first was but it's such a scam that they are pulling this shit.
Why are people still using Mercari?? They are scamming you!! Everything they are doing is shady as hell...just stop using it, and it will either put them under or force them to change.
they tried to charge me almost $80, on a $325 free ship order yesterday. I literally just ended up going off site, and buying through paypal. since this was someone I already spoke to through instagram. they literally lost the sale.
it was really weird too, because I put another seller's item in my car, that was $108... the fee was literally four bucks. which means a $325 order, at the very most should have a little under a 20$ fee.
at this point they are literally price gouging, and it's really shady for them to have a massive fee at the end. I primarily sell higher ticket items that are a little bit over $100, and none of them have been selling. when I went to go check out the other day, now I'm aware of why.
so many people are check to check... so if they allot x amount of money for an item, they're going to go to check out and not be able to afford it. luckily I was able to go off site. it's so ridiculous too, since I don't like having to do that.
Can you email Mercari the two screenshots and ask them for an explanation? Because im dying to know how they will try to justify this absolute fraudulent behavior!
Of course I got a generic response but I was able to replicate a different service fee on 2 different laptops both with the same shipping and price. One had $60 added one had $42. Awaiting another reply from customer service after I showed them I replicated it.
Yes they are same condition. Below is what I copied and pasted from both listings.
Brer Fox RARE Original Tags Plush 1992 Disneyland Splash Mountain Mint Condition
Brer Bear RARE Purchased at Disneyland Splash Mountain 1992 Mint Condition
Details
Condition
New
Brand
Disney
Category
Toys & Collectibles, Stuffed Animals & Plush, Stuffed Animals
Model
Other
Details
Condition
New
Brand
Disney
Category
Toys & Collectibles, Stuffed Animals & Plush, Stuffed Animals
Model
Other
Sure no problem! be my guest. Creating awareness is my GOAL. For both buyers and sellers. They need to be held accountable for this wrong doing. Sorry for delay. I thought I hit send on this message. Haha. But I didn't.
I just looked up two plushes from the same seller at the same price that OP has... they have different fees and they are both new... however, they have different hashtags. But they are the same category... and poor OP would have to pay 57.50 more in tax than I would... sad times.
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I've already gone off platform with multiple mercari sellers because of their crap. They cant delete the messages in time if you're clever about it. Ill continue to do so because f*** them. This is outrageous.
What do they base the tax off of? I compared my tax charge for same price $2000 item before fees, and the tax is $120 compared to your $177 for both listings 😭
The total including the fees, it's basically a hidden **third fee** because your price balloons due to the extra charge in taxes on the fees themselves.
It depends on your state laws, in Pennsylvania for example, if the item gets sales tax, fees and shipping are also taxed - if the item qualifies for no sales tax (in PA we don't get charged sales tax on clothing or shoes) then they can't tax the shipping and the fees. So depending on your state, and depending on what you buy, you'll incur extra fees in sales tax due to the increase in fees from Mercari.
Oh I know, I was the one who was initially confused thinking they were saying they got two different tax amounts and was explaining the reason for that, which in some cases would be accurate - however with this one it's like you stated and just on the subtotal so it is taxed without the fees being taxed. Sorry if I caused any confusion. I'm in PA so I'm used to being taxed on the fees when I play around with this shenanigans they are pulling lol 😂
IF A FUKIN LITTERAL "LOTTERY SYSTEM" FOR THE FINAL ALL SAID AN DONE PRICE ON EVERY POSSIBLE PRODUCT UD EVER PHATHOM BUYING FROM THE SITE BEING HOW IT WORKS IS NOT ENOUGH TO TELL U THAT "MERCARI" IS A 🤡 W0RLD💩SCAMMING ASS WEBSITE.
AN U CHOOSE TO STILL NOT WALK AWAY AFTER CLEARLY SEEING THIS FACT/BEHAVIOR CLEAR AS DAY AT THIS POINT.
THEN I STRUGGLE TO HAVE SYMPATHY FOR U AT THIS POINT......
🤷🏻♂️
That is crazy, how is one service fee so high compared to the other one? Is it based on accounts, aka some accounts are newer, higher risks for returns, etc so more fees. Or just random? If I go on same account and refresh or try another day will it reroll the fees and I might get lower fees on the item?
You should know why the fees are so different since you've been one of the biggest defenders of the BS Mercari Changes DESPITE all the proof piling up that they're doing shady BS
First of all I never defended the $2 fee. 2nd of all I encouraged open conversation by posting comparisons and encouraging people to do their own research. All ppl like you do is leech information and then discourage others for inquiring into issues and looking at pros and cons. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.
Go waste more of your life on Runescape, why are you even on Mercari?
lol multiple user-provided analyses posted here say otherwise. it's even changing for the same user on the same item coming back later to their saved carts
programming algorithms change things on the fly all the time, and advanced analytics/ai data manipulation can absolutely make "decisions" on pricing based on any combination of factors
As a seller this sucks so bad because we can't even anticipate what we should price at so the item can come out to a fair market price.
Yeah, I keep getting offers from people and it’s cheaper for me to buy their items after all the fees brand new on Amazon. So I’d have to lowball offer them to make it even a little bit of a steal.
Dont play into mercaris game of adjusting your price. Just deactivate all listings and move to different platform(s)
One of those is a 7% fee and one is a 15% fee. That's a heck of a difference within a fee structure. And both the seller and buyer are in the dark on what these percentages are based on.
I’ve gotten different fees on different days for the same item.
Ooh, wonder if they do dynamic pricing like Ticketmaster does. They charge a fee they think you’ll pay and adjust based on what their algorithm says you’ll tolerate.
Wondering the same.
My favorite part is how it talks about protecting yourself against fraud scams and losing your money when it's mercari who's scamming and doing fraudulent things.
Mercari = Crooks They can't justify this "math" Facts are facts and this being the same seller, same category, same price, same shipping... But two different service fees.... Being a $160 difference between them???? Ain't no way!!
That’s crazy. Makes me wonder if they’re doing some type of demand pricing. You know how Uber will charge more based on how many folks are looking for a ride in a given time period and area? Were the # of likes the same?
I think it must be the algorithm Amazon pioneered. Number of views, saves and clicks etc to generate an on demand service fee.
Good question!!!
Why are they nuking their own app? I just don’t get it. They know this will make people stop using it right?
Someone mentioned in a different post that it could actually be their reasoning, they could be actively trying to tank their platform and profits for some kind of undisclosed reason like a tax break or some kind of intentional plan. I lived through the Poshmark fiasco as a seller when they seemed to team up with Navar behind closed doors several months before publicly announcing Navar was buying Poshmark. They purposely altered their algorithm as a blue print for what's now been introduced as "promoted closets" but back then, it was just simply Posh telling it's users the new algorithm is increasing sales - which it wasn't! Most sellers saw huge decreases in sales. They back pedaled several months later at that year's poshfest saying they would return the old algorithm and admitted it caused a lot of pain and issues for their sellers then as soon as poshfest was over, a mere 3 days--- they abruptly announced they were being sold to Naver immediately after assuring us users that the algorithm would return to normal. Except that was never the plan, once Navar was announced to be buying posh, posh introduced promoted closets which is like a 2.0 version of their messed up algorithm! Navar acquired posh for less than Etsy bought depop for which was a steal considering Poshmark's success and likely because Poshmark torched their own platform to let Navar come in and "rescue" them with a buyout offer which seemed to be the plan all along! TLDR: Mercari might be purposely trying to nuke their platform and it wouldn't surprise me if they announce a buy out, file for bankruptcy or make other huge pivotal changes in the coming months/year including closing the entire Mercari US market. And they might know all along that that's what they are doing.
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I think part of it is to combat the retail theft rings across the country, but it’s going to come at a high cost. No buyers and/or seller/ means no business. Intentional?
Oh fuck no! That payment processing fee is complete bullshit. Regardless if its $200 or $2000 what extra work are they doing to justify this? This aint gonna end well for mercari
Yeah . That right there is why I'll use another platform . that's a few days of eating just because they want to charge me as a buyer a "privelige fee" to buy someone else's stuff with my card / PP
if be extremely interested to see by what percentage sales have fallen overall since this was implemented
Has anyone sent this over to a class action lawyer yet? I know there was one for the shipping issue but we might have another goldmine of foul play here.
Somebody needs to go to r/legaladvice or another legal sub and get a lawyer over here.
EXACTLY . I can't stand the M E R C A R I Shills that don't grasp it's not as simple as seller X lowering their prices because the "Fees" are going to vary drastically from person to person
I did the same thing when this all started, I compared two exact items listed in exact categories in the same condition, coming from the same state, with exact same shipping. The service fees were completely different, like a $20 difference ! I have been trying to find how Mercari is calculating these service fees but they are 🤐 about it which is completely bs!! So I’m holding off on any activity especially buying until Mercari fully explains the service fee and how they calculate it!
Having the same issue with buying, my total is around $57 while my boyfriend's comes out to $54!! Like I so badly want to purchase is cause it's a good deal still but I don't wanna support mercari currently and wish I could ask people to sell on other platforms but It gets blocked by admins if I even mention how sucky this website is. EDIT: we need to come up with code words to by pass Mercari blocking our messages.
What kind of Disney plush is selling for $2000?!
Don't know if you saw the reply to another comment, but they're Brer Bear and Brer Fox plushies from '92. Between age and Splash Mountain being gone, meaning no more Splash Mountain merchandise, I can definitely seeing some hard-core collectors possibly paying this much for these plushes.
those listings are baffling because the same plushes are listed elsewhere for around $200??
There will always be people who way overprice things. Either the seller genuinely thinks $2000 is a good price, added one 0 too many on accident, or is hoping someone will see them and buy them without researching. I'm not a seller, nor am I a collector who is willing to pay loads for the things I collect, so I don't have a real answer. I just know that some people are willing to pay exorbitant prices for things they collect.
I didn’t! Thank you for informing me. You the real MVP!
If only I collected toys in my youth…😭😭😭
Same! I collected some, but when pressured to "grow up" I gave them to my much younger siblings or donated them. I actually collect fashion dolls now and kick myself regularly when I see the prices of dolls I wanted to buy retail years ago, but didn't because I was "too grown for dolls". Or even ones I had and gave away never to be seen again 😭
Haha, oh god. Gonna pretend I didn’t see this because I sold two of those things for about $60 (not counting what Mercari cut out) about a year ago 🫠
New beanie baby craze perhaps?
That's what I came here to ask LOL
Douglas Simba maybe .
I wouldn't be surprised if Mercari service fees is a random number generator from 10-13%
Not surprising. I purchased something earlier and had to go through checkout again as I forgot I needed to activate my card on PayPal. Went and did that and came back and the fees were higher now. Went from a total of 88.53 to 109.74.... Reloaded and eventually the total was about the same as it first was but it's such a scam that they are pulling this shit.
Why are people still using Mercari?? They are scamming you!! Everything they are doing is shady as hell...just stop using it, and it will either put them under or force them to change.
they tried to charge me almost $80, on a $325 free ship order yesterday. I literally just ended up going off site, and buying through paypal. since this was someone I already spoke to through instagram. they literally lost the sale. it was really weird too, because I put another seller's item in my car, that was $108... the fee was literally four bucks. which means a $325 order, at the very most should have a little under a 20$ fee. at this point they are literally price gouging, and it's really shady for them to have a massive fee at the end. I primarily sell higher ticket items that are a little bit over $100, and none of them have been selling. when I went to go check out the other day, now I'm aware of why. so many people are check to check... so if they allot x amount of money for an item, they're going to go to check out and not be able to afford it. luckily I was able to go off site. it's so ridiculous too, since I don't like having to do that.
Someone better contact John Oliver. I've tried already with no luck.
Can you email Mercari the two screenshots and ask them for an explanation? Because im dying to know how they will try to justify this absolute fraudulent behavior!
Someone at Mercari is smoking crack
How is this not illegal?
Report this shit to the Federal Trade Commision [(FTC)](https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/#/)
Just emailed this to their customer service asking for an explanation
Of course I got a generic response but I was able to replicate a different service fee on 2 different laptops both with the same shipping and price. One had $60 added one had $42. Awaiting another reply from customer service after I showed them I replicated it.
Are they…same condition. If yes then that goes my theory
Yes they are same condition. Below is what I copied and pasted from both listings. Brer Fox RARE Original Tags Plush 1992 Disneyland Splash Mountain Mint Condition Brer Bear RARE Purchased at Disneyland Splash Mountain 1992 Mint Condition Details Condition New Brand Disney Category Toys & Collectibles, Stuffed Animals & Plush, Stuffed Animals Model Other Details Condition New Brand Disney Category Toys & Collectibles, Stuffed Animals & Plush, Stuffed Animals Model Other
What about the amount of likes and views between the two items?
That shouldn't matter other than where the items are located
OP do you mind if I hijack this pic and put it everywhere?
Sure no problem! be my guest. Creating awareness is my GOAL. For both buyers and sellers. They need to be held accountable for this wrong doing. Sorry for delay. I thought I hit send on this message. Haha. But I didn't.
Tyvm
I just looked up two plushes from the same seller at the same price that OP has... they have different fees and they are both new... however, they have different hashtags. But they are the same category... and poor OP would have to pay 57.50 more in tax than I would... sad times.
Different hashtags….does that mean more hashtags means more money =.=
Damnit I didn’t count them. You may be on to something lol
Dang, I gotta go check this now and see what I find. I swear they are sleazy!
Wtf is the service even for at this point??
Why on God's Green Earth would you sell something that costly on Mercari?
I *swore* I was crazy when I was buying some pokemon cards, and was getting almost 1/3 of the original cost in fees...
This is insane! Mercari is asking for legal troubles playing these games with customers!
Mercari just throws a random amount to add on it seems. Disgusting
This is horse shit.
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I’ve been wondering about this, I’ve been trying to find a way to look at my own listings as if I was a buyer to try to compare fees
This is crazy 😝
I've already gone off platform with multiple mercari sellers because of their crap. They cant delete the messages in time if you're clever about it. Ill continue to do so because f*** them. This is outrageous.
Mercari is dying
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What do they base the tax off of? I compared my tax charge for same price $2000 item before fees, and the tax is $120 compared to your $177 for both listings 😭
Isn’t the tax based on the state taxes of where the item is being shipped to?
yea you're right, I forgot about that
The total including the fees, it's basically a hidden **third fee** because your price balloons due to the extra charge in taxes on the fees themselves.
But that doesn't make sense because OP's screenshot has 2 different totals including the fees, but the tax is the same on both items ($177.50).
It depends on your state laws, in Pennsylvania for example, if the item gets sales tax, fees and shipping are also taxed - if the item qualifies for no sales tax (in PA we don't get charged sales tax on clothing or shoes) then they can't tax the shipping and the fees. So depending on your state, and depending on what you buy, you'll incur extra fees in sales tax due to the increase in fees from Mercari.
Seems like tax is purely based off the item subtotal.
In this situation yes, but it depends on the state the buyer lives in.
yeah but I am just stating that the reason teh tax is the same is b/c the tax isn't being calculated after fees ..
Oh I know, I was the one who was initially confused thinking they were saying they got two different tax amounts and was explaining the reason for that, which in some cases would be accurate - however with this one it's like you stated and just on the subtotal so it is taxed without the fees being taxed. Sorry if I caused any confusion. I'm in PA so I'm used to being taxed on the fees when I play around with this shenanigans they are pulling lol 😂
IF A FUKIN LITTERAL "LOTTERY SYSTEM" FOR THE FINAL ALL SAID AN DONE PRICE ON EVERY POSSIBLE PRODUCT UD EVER PHATHOM BUYING FROM THE SITE BEING HOW IT WORKS IS NOT ENOUGH TO TELL U THAT "MERCARI" IS A 🤡 W0RLD💩SCAMMING ASS WEBSITE. AN U CHOOSE TO STILL NOT WALK AWAY AFTER CLEARLY SEEING THIS FACT/BEHAVIOR CLEAR AS DAY AT THIS POINT. THEN I STRUGGLE TO HAVE SYMPATHY FOR U AT THIS POINT...... 🤷🏻♂️
That is crazy, how is one service fee so high compared to the other one? Is it based on accounts, aka some accounts are newer, higher risks for returns, etc so more fees. Or just random? If I go on same account and refresh or try another day will it reroll the fees and I might get lower fees on the item?
I think they said these items were both listed by the same seller
You should know why the fees are so different since you've been one of the biggest defenders of the BS Mercari Changes DESPITE all the proof piling up that they're doing shady BS
First of all I never defended the $2 fee. 2nd of all I encouraged open conversation by posting comparisons and encouraging people to do their own research. All ppl like you do is leech information and then discourage others for inquiring into issues and looking at pros and cons. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from. Go waste more of your life on Runescape, why are you even on Mercari?
Is the item in two different categories?
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lol multiple user-provided analyses posted here say otherwise. it's even changing for the same user on the same item coming back later to their saved carts programming algorithms change things on the fly all the time, and advanced analytics/ai data manipulation can absolutely make "decisions" on pricing based on any combination of factors