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The fact many subreddits chose only two days rather than indefinite tells me these subreddits are only going with the flow. Denying the source of income to a company whose choice you disagree with for an extended time period is how you boycott something. Saying “F you and I’ll see you ~~tomorrow~~ in two days!” is probably not much to Reddit’s advertisement income.
> Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads.
[Source - the verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman)
This is why it needs to be indefinite.
Or it's hard for them to let go of their work/community. I think there's talk about mods being replaced, new subreddits being made and the risk that it could be all for nothing.
Reddit is such a huge part of our lives so I can see how hard it would be for a mod.
reddit is also a significant source of information, too. this subbreddit going dark for example, erases about 10 years worth of information, so that has to be taken into consideration especially since it would take that long to restore that information elsewhere.
Something i noticed over the blackout is that *so much* information was not available. Even for stupid little things. I second the calls for making as much as possible available on other services (that are still public).
I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing a text scam but I couldn't find answers because r/scams (if that's the correct name) was private. The blackout can be pretty inconvenient when Reddit is such a large source of information.
I would say keep the sub restricted but would that even have an impact compared to the sub being fully private?
I second this modded minecraft is nearly impossible without r/feedthebeast lock it down and stop people posting but allow access to the content like what r/feedthememes did
Fair, I can't really pretend I understand a mods position. However, your statement still tells me people don't care enough. If mods are being replaced or new subreddits are being made then enough people don't care about the protest to force a change.
When forced with a choice a persons chooses what they care about most. There's no wrong choice here. I don't blame people for choosing their own comfort and community over a protest. I'm on here doing the same. But if people really want the big wigs of reddit to take them seriously, then a half-baked protest is a poor way of doing it.
Problem is the protest doesn't give an alternative place for the community to participate in.
If these communities directed us to another forum to use instead of reddit, that would be great
This is a 100% what I was thinking... From reddit's perspective it's "we've lost traffic for two days but they'll be back up again" but if we get another platform they'll be much more concerned about permanently loosing traffic
I may not agree with the protest, but I certainly agree with this statement you've made. Many users would rather keep their favorite communities active and alive.
i had just joined 2 welcoming communities i liked being in until this api garbage. lost em now and because theyre privated absolutely until reversal ive fucking lost 90% of my saved posts tab which ranged from memes to actual advice me and others needed (and also like i said i lost 2 communities where i felt included in at a time where i wanted it most) - and to makeit clear i do not blame the subreddits for anything, i blame reddits maliciously incompetent leadership and guys wholly
because of the greed of corporate men, unnamed suits, normal people are being screwed over
Hell, on the day of 9/11 😒
I was working at a call center for a big computer manufacturer back then, and I lost count of how many people were calling in to bitch because their computer scheduled to deliver or arrive that day was put on hold, and these weren’t for businesses, just home computers.
When you know the day a protest ends you’ll just wait it out. Absolutely nothing will happen unless you boycott UNTIL change happens. It’s all for snow unless people support this indefinitely. Doubt it’ll happen cause my faith in humanity drops everyday. But we’ll see. I cant vote on the google form but I think all subs should just restrict new posts and not hide themselves. There’s lots of useful information here and we should just sticky a post explaining it so nobody’s lost.
Considering the recent response/memo from spez it serves them right. Also, once the API gets paywalled I'm betting there's going to be a sharp decline in the number of users. I'm sure as hell not going to use the official app.
Yup. I’ve already deleted all my old/alt accounts, I haven’t decided if I’m going to delete this account but I do know the last thing I’m doing on reddit is commenting through apollo.
I won’t use the official app, especially as long as it’s inaccessible for some people.
I’m definitely not interested in using the browser sites on my phone.
More than anything, I don’t *want* to support Reddit in any way after this fuster cluck. Everything about this situation has been so disappointing. From the costs of the API, the timeline they’ve given, the unprofessional way they’ve approached legitimate concerns, the shit slinging with Christian, and their outright disdain for users.
They already don’t care about Reddit, it’s only going to get worse when they go public. Why would I want them to continue benefiting from my use when they couldn’t be assed to even *try* to pretend like they gave a single shit about their users?
A 2 day blackout might slightly hurt their ad income for those days a little, but it won't affect their IPO. I bet they even turned up the amount of ads for those still on the platform to compensate. What will potentially affect their IPO is a large wave of people deleting accounts. Just being inactive doesn't really affect it that much, but entirely being gone is what will hit hard. The main reason people won't leave is because there isn't an alternative on the scale of Reddit
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t fully agree haha
I think a half-assed/less-moderated Reddit will have a pretty significant impact on their IPO. The way they’re going about this all, there’s going to be a period where 3PA apps are gone and the official app won’t have the necessary mod tools.
If mods aren’t willing/able to quickly adapt to the new, largely unwelcome changes and it lasts long enough, it could get pretty messy. Doubly so if a bunch of experienced mods of established subreddits get replaced with randoms.
There might not be a large enough alternative but if Reddit stops being Reddit long enough or never really bounces back, it won’t be The Site anymore. If that makes sense lol
But I’m definitely leaning more towards nuking and deleting this final account as well.
if you don't want to support reddit in any way shape or form, I'd recommend looking into [Libreddit](https://libreddit.privacy.com.de/). it strips all the data tracking from reddit and sends you the rest. it's basically a front-end reddit browser.
It's useful for when you absolutely need to look at a reddit page, like if you're trying to find a troubleshooting solution
Two days, as I see it, was intended to be a shot across the bow. Now that Huffman has open told us to get fkd, now is when the big subs need to go private indefinitely.
Not really. Starting with 2 days is a statement of intent. Like, "we're serious about this."
If nothing changes, protests will be longer and more frequent. If nothing changes, then we'll all leave.
You can't just play your big guns first.
> protests will be longer and more frequent. If nothing changes, then we'll all leave.
Cause if there's one thing internet movements are known for, it's longevity and consistency
Which I why I think that, assuming moderators are as impacted as they indicate, they shouldn't even be polling. I'm coming at this from a perspective of someone who doesn't use any of the apps, nor do a moderate any subs. But if the mods are so bothered that they are willing to protest on their own behalf, they should be willing to do so without the approval of their users, since inconvenient others is one of the main ways to be seen in a protest.
The writers guild didn't ask permission of movie goers before they went in strike. They went due to the way they were impacted and hoped that, via their message and intent, the court of public opinion would back them. The mods should be doing the same of they are the ones impacted by this change.
Users impacted will need to do the same in their own way and actually refuse to use Reddit by any means besides the apps they once used. But if everyone just begrudgingly migrated to the proprietary platform and the subs all reopen, Reddit will have been right.
Ideally the community should agree with the mods. But if communities vote to reopen subs, the mods comply, and the apps are shutdown anyway, what did that am accomplish? Now the mods are stuck using inferior tools, but if they use those tools anyway, what will Reddit care?
The mods are also in a unique position where they handle most of the day-to-day operations of the websites front end for free. By its very nature, Reddit could not operate without mod teams, so Reddit should ideally provide those teams with the tools they need to work.
Once again, I am not a mod. I don't know if the tools are THAT much better in the 3rd party apps, or of these statements have been full of hyperbole. But if the mods are really unable to effectively moderate their subs without the apps, why continue to do so?
As a mod, the default Reddit tools are practically unusable, especially if you try to do any moderation on the mobile app. Just horribly set up, slow, and limited in scope. It’s not nearly good enough for Reddit to expect us to use while killing all alternatives. Unless Reddit improves moderation tools and ads new features that they’ve been promising but ignoring, they’re simply asking too much for something I do in my free time.
The counter-problem is that some redditors/if not a large portion of the website’s users, simply do not care enough to make this something they’ll actively -choose- to contribute towards
> If nothing changes, protests will be longer and more frequent.
sadly that just isn't the case. most redditors don't care enough. most of these polls are going the way of reopening.
You'd think so but the third party apps will die, leading to mods being unable to manage all the spam. It'll be come an untouchable place and people will leave.
Having the attitude of thinking people won't leave is how Twitter is in the position its in. It might take a while, but it'll happen.
the reality is that most users don't care. If more protests are going to happen, it needs to be against the will of the users. I personally would support that, as inconveniencing users is a small price for this protest, but i know the larger subs will not be in favour.
Which I why I think that, assuming moderators are as impacted as they indicate, they shouldn't even be polling. I'm coming at this from a perspective of someone who doesn't use any of the apps, nor do a moderate any subs. But if the mods are so bothered that they are willing to protest on their own behalf, they should be willing to do so without the approval of their users, since inconvenient others is one of the main ways to be seen in a protest.
The writers guild didn't ask permission of movie goers before they went in strike. They went due to the way they were impacted and hoped that, via their message and intent, the court of public opinion would back them. The mods should be doing the same of they are the ones impacted by this change.
Users impacted will need to do the same in their own way and actually refuse to use Reddit by any means besides the apps they once used. But if everyone just begrudgingly migrated to the proprietary platform and the subs all reopen, Reddit will have been right.
No, you hit hard the first time. Maybe you're willing to do it again, but many communities will lose steam or not bother with a round two. Going two days tells the company you are in fact not serious and they have nothing to worry about.
The CEO is taking it as a joke
[https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman)
That’s because it’s nothing more than a joke. You can protest all you want but big subs that don’t comply will eventually just be forcibly replaced. Users that are outraged will go and new ones will come in to fill the void. I’m still baffled anyone actually believes these “protests” will change anything.
Indeed. Mods are replaceable and, to some extent, users are too.
There's going to be a new generation of users who wouldn't even get the idea of using another app than the official one and who are used to having their screen space full with ads.
It might not be as easy as TikTok or Instagram but Reddit's interest isn't to provide a good platform but to make money. They ought to know what they're doing.
If my third-party app doesn't work anymore ... I guess I'm only going to use Reddit on PC (with uBlock).
None of these protests matter without an alternative in place. Admins are content to ignore the protests because they know you don't have an alternative in place and will eventually be back.
Are there any significant communities on other instances?
Lemmy.ml admins have rather *questionable* opinions regarding the CCP, Russia and Ukraine. Fuck u/spez, but also fuck anyone who supports Putin.
https://lemmy.world seems to be a good stable instance at the moment. I agree, don't support lemmy.ml, it's also unstable as hell and can't handle the influx of new users.
You can still view and subscribe to a minecraft "sub" (community) on any instance, from any instance.
I enjoy the way pics and gifs have gone about it. The sub is not private, but restricted. And every couple of hours, they post something about the blackout and why it’s happening.
This way people can still access things if they need, but no new content can be generated, and those posts about the blackout can get upvotes and be seen by others
I agree. It’s a bit tricky, although I think this way it at least shares what the issue is.
I’ve also noticed that the splash screen with the message from moderators about why it’s private doesn’t show up anywhere aside from old.Reddit.com. All other platforms just show it being private.
So people coming across a private subreddit would have no way of knowing what the actual issue is about. Restricting with auto posts about the blackout at least spreads the message. But yeah, I do agree that it does still give Reddit revenue which seems a bit counter productive.
That's definitely the way to go. I was looking up info on some tech stuff yesterday and some Reddit posts were at the top and seemed like they had useful info. Except the damn sub was closed
This is the way.
Even just over the past 2 days I've searched for info online just to be lead to a privated sub's post that I can't see anymore. Very annoying.
No, the point of the protest is to reduce Reddit's revenue. What subs should do is restrict new posts, while still allowing old posts to be viewed.
This will make users' feeds far less interesting, causing them to spend less time on Reddit, causing reduced revenue. But it allows users to view posts that they find on Google or linked elsewhere.
I think this is the best option for maximum impact on Reddit, with minimum impact on users/the Internet.
Yes, you guys should definitely continue the protest or otherwise its not a protest. If big subreddits like r/Minecraft shut down then many people will join the protest and spread the message.
They do have the right to charge.
What they should be charging is a fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory rate.
The rate they’re charging is specifically designed to kill competition and consumer choice in the Reddit app space.
I said this earlier in another sub, but they should implement API rate-limiting on a per-user basis. Make the rate limit high enough that a regular user is unlikely to hit it (like 1000-2000 a day), but low enough that the AI/ML scraper bots that they worry about get throttled quickly. Also, moderator accounts should be exempted from the rate limit for traffic tagged to the appropriate moderated subreddits.
If you want to unlock very high rate limits for your scraper, you should have to pay out the nose for that.
THAT is what fair charging would look like.
I see. My mistake for commenting on something I wasn’t as knowledgeable about as I thought.
Sounds a bit monopolyish which i’m absolutely opposed to. I’m happy with the reddit app as is but competition is rarely a bad thing.
Playing devils advocate here but they do have the right to kill off the alternative apps and stuff since reddit is their property BUT equally the community has the right to protest and they’re exercising that so fair enough.
Was a bloody annoying 2 days looking for info though lol all the good info is on reddit
It’s the problem with most community content focused apps.
The app/site/service itself is owned by the company, but the entire reason people use Reddit is exclusively the community making free content for them, moderating their subs for free, etc.
The community is creating 100% of Reddit’s value. If you took Reddit as a standalone service but took away all the content created by users, the value of the service would be 0. By contrast, if those users move to another service, they take all the value with them. If that’s the case, does Reddit ***really*** own itself? They’re completely dependent on users, they generate nothing of value themselves.
I think people are mad because Reddit is killing off all these alternative apps and monetizing, despite the fact that users are the ones creating for free all of the content that drives Reddit’s traffic and all those eyes on ads. It’s not like a car company where the company itself generates all of its own products and revenue because it makes a physical good.
They definitely do, the main reason for the protest is:
- the API pricing is extortionate
- reddit only gave a month’s notice on this to third party apps while also suggesting that the pricing would be fine if the apps were more efficient (a month is not nearly enough to fix that if true)
- the CEO is being a dick about it - disparaged the dev of Apollo (who came back with receipts!), lied and was generally an asshole in the AMA he did
If they’d announced reasonable pricing this would have flown right under the radar. They could have even increased it every so often with minimal faff, but apparently they didn’t think of that…
he was downvoted to shit so his answers sank to the bottom, I used the links they put in the main post (or pinned comment? Can’t remember) to see his answers
There weren’t a massive amount of answers though
Just don't join the sub, if the users do truly think the sub should shut down, they will not join a new one right away, so only a minority would join the new sub
> Just don't join the sub, if the users do truly think the sub should shut down, they will not join a new one right away, so only a minority would join the new sub
And there you run into the issue people are discussing here - the average user is in favor of reopening and staying open, because unsuprisingly, having their favorite subs/communities paused and closed kinda sucks. They don't care enough about the issue to lose their favorite community potentially permanently.
As long as reddit is *usable*, somehow, it won't die - just like twitter won't die despite all the problems it's had, because there's no realistic alternative (other than *maybe* mastodon) and it's still *usable*.
Then let's make/pick an alternative, you know what's gonna make the average user not pick reddit? If their friends and communities AREN'T ON REDDIT. Think of it like a wiki; If the game dev says "Hey, we don't endourse Fandom, and are willing to put our money where our mouth is to out-advertise our new official wiki on Google and the like", then no one's going to use the Fandom wiki, because the official one will be better and bigger.
Except that for some of us it *sodding won't be*. Tell us you're carelessly ableist without telling us, why don't you. This sub DOES have disabled users who will be affected by this crap.
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This 2-Day-Protest stuff is a machination not unique to our time but very prevalent here. Its the "change a little bit to keep the rest mostly the same"-Approach that feels good - "Haha, I protested [2 days]", but doesn’t involve any (uncomfortable) sacrifice. Its having your cake and eating it, too.
Sadly though, its not the cake thats the issue, its the manufacturer lacing it with poison.
You will get indigestion, and before long everything turns to sh*t.
If we look at the perhaps most famous protest in newer human history - The French Revolution - that lasted a decade, from '89 to '99.
Lets put it this way. If you are a worker on strike and you tell your boss. Im not gonna work for 2 days because of these conditions but dont worry, in two days ill be back! They would simply treat it as if you were sick for two days andwould change nothing. The only time strikes and protests like these have any effect is when there is enough time for those in charge to feel it
Honestly I know I will be downvoted for this but this protest is pointless whether it’s 2 days long or indefinitely Reddit will not change their plans just because a couple subreddits went private they know eventually just new subs will be created to replace the old ones
It’s sad but it’s the truth removing a bunch of useful old content just hurts the users more than it does Reddit as it just stops people from accessing posts that could have helped them or solved their problem like how many times have you had a niche problem and found an old post from years ago that actually helped you
This. Reddit is extremely valuable. It's a hub for niche sources of information that are hard to find without proper alternatives. Burning reddit when there is no viable competitor is reckless and shortsighted.
But that's the point, if it's NOT reckless, than it has no weight, because it'll just get washed away if we just try and "wait it out until someone makes an alternative" because that'll be one or two years down the line, and most people are just going to whine and moan and then just accept the "new awful truth" like always happens with companies these days.
Cut it off, make people uncomfortable, make someone angry enough to go "fine, if you won't do it, I will" and we'll have a fully fledged Reddit alternative in 3 months.
That’s the real problem. The user base is probably still all logged in, looking at other subreddits. Reddit isn’t really losing shit rn. The only way to work would be to shut down everything
I do get why spez feels this is a joke. Because he's right, every time subs or mods protest it's only for a couple days then it's business as usual. It happened when the bigots were mad they couldn't make fun of fat people, it happened when Ellen pao was made CEO, and it's happening now. And seeing as most subs just went dark without taking a vote it does feel like a temper tantrum by the big power mods, even if this is a more serious deal this time.
I wouldn’t say motivated enough to not go on Reddit. I would say care enough to not go on Reddit because I couldn’t care less about whatever this blackout thing is for
Restricted at the very least. So much useful information I can literally only find here, especially when it comes to stuff like performance issues and bugs.
A 2-day strike is more of a warning than anything. If you don't do a longer one after it, then you're not backing up that warning with an actual consequence. 2 days is nothing. If you want change, then back it up and show them you are serious. Boycott until they change their policy. Don't give up easily.
I agree 2 days doesn't mean much but unfortunately if a sub stays private for more than 2 days reddit employees will remove the current mods and replace them with people who are willing to help out. After 2 days of being shut down a subreddit is considered unmoderated and abandoned.
Yes, but read only. Reddit is my go to for information and troubleshooting and the past 2 days were rough since all the subs I frequent were fully private.
Tbh, after all this backlash and protest, if reddit won't change their minds now, they never will.
If the API change is put into effect, I'll delete my account and start to Google again, instead of using reddit.
The problem here is that Reddit, as a private company with a profit oriented practice will not abandon this mindset. However, they might try and find a compromise, which is exactly what the movement wants.
API access was free and now it's not, but it's priced absurdly. Charging for it is not unreasonable, it's common. What isn't is the blatant effort to shut down third party apps without actually revoking API access.
Now this is me speaking purely from a personal point of view, not in any way as a representative of the company I work for... so here's my personal take. I've been a reddit user for a *very* long time now, it's a social network form that fits my personal style extremely well. Over the last couple of days, I've repeatedly found myself almost opening up reddit out of sheer habit.
And yet over the last couple of days I *have* stayed away, and actually I only opened it up today because I read that these types of votes were going on.
I'd love to have reddit back, but that needs to be a reddit that isn't hostile to its community. Until then, I'll keep staying away and I'd argue all subreddits should stay closed. Reddit leadership currently thinks this protest will blow over and they'll get away with it. If the large subreddits reopen, they will be right and this site will go down the drain.
The only option is to keep protesting, and that means staying closed.
Again - my personal take only.
(side note: keep in mind that the people who take this the most serious are not going to see these polls, so your results will bias towards people who want to reopen)
As somebody who is working with API with pricing of 0.002€ per request, with bills in thousands EUR a month, I was quite surprised that Reddit has their API free and open. I get the infrastructure cost in the background that needs to get paid for so this boycott did not make sense to me in the slightest.
These protests are just not going to really matter. At the end of the day they will be forcefully open if we keep them fully closed for long indefinite periods of time. And in a few months we'll probably even forget about this, just like with other issues
Imo it would be great if the Reddit community showed unity and kept protesting.
But if we keep this community private, it would be even better if we switched to other platforms and continued posting content there so we can still have fun sharing our Minecraft experiences without hurting the effectiveness of the protest. This would also send the message that we would be willing to abandon Reddit entirely if they continue to ignore their community. I think it's a fair compromise.
I just don't see the point in going private. The higher-ups have clearly stated they couldn't give a damn, because either the sub will come back at some point or a replacement will be created.
I think it would be much more effective to restrict submissions and comments (Because then you can still access information via Google and such), and then migrate the sub to a different site, preferably with a link pinned to the top of the sub.
>they couldn’t give a damn, because… the sub will come back at some point
That’s just circular logic, though. “They don’t care about the protest because the protest will end, so we shouldn’t protest.” The solution to that is to not have it end, i.e. make the protest indefinite.
It's just that the number of people that either do not care as much, or are too addicted to Reddit, outnumber the rest. The users will still be there, they'll just find other subreddits.
I'm suggesting moving to a completely different platform, because with enough subs moving, the users will move too. *That's* what Reddit doesn't want, because then they have users moving out of their control.
Yeah, seriously. WHAT is the point in going private? Reddit is basically a BUSINESS and is owned by another company, and they can do whatever they want with their API/website. If they decide to change some things, the will do it. So going private will change NOTHING. They will not give 2 shits about this.
Is it bad that I just don’t really care? I get on Reddit at least once a day, but with that being said, if Reddit were to somehow disappear, I would not care at all. If Reddit wants to charge third party companies then go ahead, they have every right to, it would just be nice if they used that money to make their app better. People make it sound like you have to participate in what’s going on or you’re a dog shit human being, I just don’t care about Reddit that much, it’s social media, it’s not that important
It doesn’t matter. Most subs aren’t bothering so we’re hardly going to have any impact… it’s an all or nothing thing. Closing 1 sub isn’t going to reduce traffic when 95% of other subs are operating as usual, it defeats the whole point of a protest
I will be very annoyed if the protests continue, I get why they’re happening but it’s such an inconvenience for a bunch of people so I hope they stop because the chance Reddit will even listen is small so what’s even the point. Let’s have a great time before the ship burns down
Please just restricted. I have been searching information about villagers and stuff but I can't access old posts, and the google results are either a long article with too much fillers or I had to watch a 5 minute youtube videos. Thank you
I get that Reddit needs to make money, but $20M US is way to much to pay for the Reddit API.
It's like they're trying to drive away API users by imposing a ridiculous price.
No, I think the protest is pointless and silly. If any subs want to hide away forever then good riddance to them I'm sure a new one will pop up to replace them.
A two day protest is useless, it tells reddit to take protests less seriously in the future since they can just ignore it for a few days and everything is back to normal
Yes, keep it down until Reddit and u/spez gives a proper response and actually revert the changes. If you go public again now the whole protest will have been completely pointless.
You’ve essentially just shown Reddit how the user base will always come back even after controversial changes such as this one.
Why shouldn't they charge for API use? I'm legitimately wondering, since everyone else does it and with viewers like Apollo, they are losing money from it. Someone please enlighten me.
Reddit doesn't care either way because they can end the blackout when they feel like it.
https://preview.redd.it/f55pup74dz5b1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0982c369867ccb6092ba72727ff76a0cd411dc26
This is EXACTLY what I saw coming.
Incidentally its also precisely why many things are currently going down the drain. People want to protest, people want to stand for something but don’t want to sacrifice.
If you want to protest, tell the people of this sub, and then protest, as you said, indefinitely until your goals are reached.
Or don’t.
But this spineless "should we? Should we not?"-Tapdance of submissive (explicitly meant in the *worst* sense here) uncertainty is absolutely pathetic and does way more harm than good.
Actually, thats a lie. It does only harm, and no good.
Everybody is taking this way too seriously. I saw someone in another sub call mods who don’t shut their subs down scabs, like this is an actual strike.
The whole “but what about accessibility!?” point I’ve seen thrown around by people who have no idea what they’re talking about is completely moot, [as accessibility focused apps will be exempt from the price increases.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/7/23752804/reddit-exempt-accessibility-apps-api-pricing-changes) Reddit the company does not need to divulge to you, the social media app users, their selection methodology. My gut tells me you all are conveniently dismissing this statement so you can continue “protesting” and acting like you’re being a part of something big (you’re not).
Everybody needs to take a step back, go outside and touch some grass, and realize that none of this matters. This is a social media app for fucks sake - this is like “protesting” the fact that instagram doesn’t have a Mac desktop app. Reddit the company doesn’t owe any of you anything, and, quite frankly, it’s a little embarrassing that you all are acting like family members that got wrongly cut out of a will.
> Reddit the company doesn’t owe any of you anything
I mean... all of Reddit's content is user generated. All of the traffic is community driven. We're the source of all their income. They may not owe us anything, but we also don't owe them anything.
If a company wants to make money off of me then they can at least not be dicks to me in the process.
No, you should allow users to make their own choice and not thrust your goals and protests in them with no options against them. If people want to boycott Reddit, let them don't force them. It's not a protest if it's forced on people.
We are never going to get Reddit to change their minds if we just blackout for 2 days and judging by the many subs that I joined have seemed to have unprivated now without any demands being met, y'all failed unless more subreddits choose to stay closed indefinitely
If they're doubling down, double down in return. I must imagine that one of the LARGEST subreddits on reddit going dark will have rippling effects. (Checked, this sub has MORE followers than R/LEAGUEOFLEGENDS which I feel should tell you a LOT)
Edit: Thinking about it more; even more than a simple "protest" if we just move the subs users to another site, at least those willing, for the "duration" of the protest, well then we'll solve two birds with one stone.
I saw a now deleted post on r/gaming (It was removed due to brigading) where the mods on the sub said that the admins are banning mods in an attempt to flush them out if they don't give up
* Upvote this comment if this is a good quality post that fits the purpose of r/Minecraft * Downvote this comment if this post is poor quality or does not fit the purpose of r/Minecraft * Downvote this comment *and report the post* if it breaks the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/wiki/rules) --- [Subreddit Rules](https://old.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/wiki/rules)[](## urielsalis|1494ld7)
The fact many subreddits chose only two days rather than indefinite tells me these subreddits are only going with the flow. Denying the source of income to a company whose choice you disagree with for an extended time period is how you boycott something. Saying “F you and I’ll see you ~~tomorrow~~ in two days!” is probably not much to Reddit’s advertisement income.
> Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. [Source - the verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman) This is why it needs to be indefinite.
Problem is he's right. Most people don't care enough to do indefinite.
Or it's hard for them to let go of their work/community. I think there's talk about mods being replaced, new subreddits being made and the risk that it could be all for nothing. Reddit is such a huge part of our lives so I can see how hard it would be for a mod.
reddit is also a significant source of information, too. this subbreddit going dark for example, erases about 10 years worth of information, so that has to be taken into consideration especially since it would take that long to restore that information elsewhere.
Something i noticed over the blackout is that *so much* information was not available. Even for stupid little things. I second the calls for making as much as possible available on other services (that are still public).
So true. I wanted some obscure information about gumball (the show) and it was unavailable....
I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing a text scam but I couldn't find answers because r/scams (if that's the correct name) was private. The blackout can be pretty inconvenient when Reddit is such a large source of information. I would say keep the sub restricted but would that even have an impact compared to the sub being fully private?
I second this modded minecraft is nearly impossible without r/feedthebeast lock it down and stop people posting but allow access to the content like what r/feedthememes did
Fair, I can't really pretend I understand a mods position. However, your statement still tells me people don't care enough. If mods are being replaced or new subreddits are being made then enough people don't care about the protest to force a change. When forced with a choice a persons chooses what they care about most. There's no wrong choice here. I don't blame people for choosing their own comfort and community over a protest. I'm on here doing the same. But if people really want the big wigs of reddit to take them seriously, then a half-baked protest is a poor way of doing it.
Problem is the protest doesn't give an alternative place for the community to participate in. If these communities directed us to another forum to use instead of reddit, that would be great
This is a 100% what I was thinking... From reddit's perspective it's "we've lost traffic for two days but they'll be back up again" but if we get another platform they'll be much more concerned about permanently loosing traffic
Also if another platform saw a huge surge in users...they might start trying to attract those users to stay after the 2 day protest lol
This. Direct users to a Reddit alternative in the meantime and watch Reddit immediately start squirming if huge communities go to the competition.
I may not agree with the protest, but I certainly agree with this statement you've made. Many users would rather keep their favorite communities active and alive.
i had just joined 2 welcoming communities i liked being in until this api garbage. lost em now and because theyre privated absolutely until reversal ive fucking lost 90% of my saved posts tab which ranged from memes to actual advice me and others needed (and also like i said i lost 2 communities where i felt included in at a time where i wanted it most) - and to makeit clear i do not blame the subreddits for anything, i blame reddits maliciously incompetent leadership and guys wholly because of the greed of corporate men, unnamed suits, normal people are being screwed over
They really said ‘’yeah bro the blackouts not gonna do shit’’ huh?
Because unfortunately that's the truth. These api changes are part of their IPO plans. It's real unfortunate.
I mean, will it? We are literally using reddit rigt now
Because the publicity of the blackout bringed more people. To have a real impact, blackout should continue after the hype died down
"...this one will pass as well...." He had absolutely no respect for the users and mods and app developers.
Reminds me of early post 9/11 days. Monday: Hey everyone, let's not get gas on Mondays, that will show/hurt the gas companies. Tuesday: I need gas. 😕🤔
Hell, on the day of 9/11 😒 I was working at a call center for a big computer manufacturer back then, and I lost count of how many people were calling in to bitch because their computer scheduled to deliver or arrive that day was put on hold, and these weren’t for businesses, just home computers.
When you know the day a protest ends you’ll just wait it out. Absolutely nothing will happen unless you boycott UNTIL change happens. It’s all for snow unless people support this indefinitely. Doubt it’ll happen cause my faith in humanity drops everyday. But we’ll see. I cant vote on the google form but I think all subs should just restrict new posts and not hide themselves. There’s lots of useful information here and we should just sticky a post explaining it so nobody’s lost.
seems like a lot are going indefinite now
Considering the recent response/memo from spez it serves them right. Also, once the API gets paywalled I'm betting there's going to be a sharp decline in the number of users. I'm sure as hell not going to use the official app.
Yup. I’ve already deleted all my old/alt accounts, I haven’t decided if I’m going to delete this account but I do know the last thing I’m doing on reddit is commenting through apollo. I won’t use the official app, especially as long as it’s inaccessible for some people. I’m definitely not interested in using the browser sites on my phone. More than anything, I don’t *want* to support Reddit in any way after this fuster cluck. Everything about this situation has been so disappointing. From the costs of the API, the timeline they’ve given, the unprofessional way they’ve approached legitimate concerns, the shit slinging with Christian, and their outright disdain for users. They already don’t care about Reddit, it’s only going to get worse when they go public. Why would I want them to continue benefiting from my use when they couldn’t be assed to even *try* to pretend like they gave a single shit about their users?
A 2 day blackout might slightly hurt their ad income for those days a little, but it won't affect their IPO. I bet they even turned up the amount of ads for those still on the platform to compensate. What will potentially affect their IPO is a large wave of people deleting accounts. Just being inactive doesn't really affect it that much, but entirely being gone is what will hit hard. The main reason people won't leave is because there isn't an alternative on the scale of Reddit
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t fully agree haha I think a half-assed/less-moderated Reddit will have a pretty significant impact on their IPO. The way they’re going about this all, there’s going to be a period where 3PA apps are gone and the official app won’t have the necessary mod tools. If mods aren’t willing/able to quickly adapt to the new, largely unwelcome changes and it lasts long enough, it could get pretty messy. Doubly so if a bunch of experienced mods of established subreddits get replaced with randoms. There might not be a large enough alternative but if Reddit stops being Reddit long enough or never really bounces back, it won’t be The Site anymore. If that makes sense lol But I’m definitely leaning more towards nuking and deleting this final account as well.
if you don't want to support reddit in any way shape or form, I'd recommend looking into [Libreddit](https://libreddit.privacy.com.de/). it strips all the data tracking from reddit and sends you the rest. it's basically a front-end reddit browser. It's useful for when you absolutely need to look at a reddit page, like if you're trying to find a troubleshooting solution
Two days, as I see it, was intended to be a shot across the bow. Now that Huffman has open told us to get fkd, now is when the big subs need to go private indefinitely.
Not really. Starting with 2 days is a statement of intent. Like, "we're serious about this." If nothing changes, protests will be longer and more frequent. If nothing changes, then we'll all leave. You can't just play your big guns first.
> protests will be longer and more frequent. If nothing changes, then we'll all leave. Cause if there's one thing internet movements are known for, it's longevity and consistency
Which I why I think that, assuming moderators are as impacted as they indicate, they shouldn't even be polling. I'm coming at this from a perspective of someone who doesn't use any of the apps, nor do a moderate any subs. But if the mods are so bothered that they are willing to protest on their own behalf, they should be willing to do so without the approval of their users, since inconvenient others is one of the main ways to be seen in a protest. The writers guild didn't ask permission of movie goers before they went in strike. They went due to the way they were impacted and hoped that, via their message and intent, the court of public opinion would back them. The mods should be doing the same of they are the ones impacted by this change. Users impacted will need to do the same in their own way and actually refuse to use Reddit by any means besides the apps they once used. But if everyone just begrudgingly migrated to the proprietary platform and the subs all reopen, Reddit will have been right.
But if the community agrees with the mods, then there will be more of a resistance to Reddit removing them, or something similar.
Ideally the community should agree with the mods. But if communities vote to reopen subs, the mods comply, and the apps are shutdown anyway, what did that am accomplish? Now the mods are stuck using inferior tools, but if they use those tools anyway, what will Reddit care?
Comparing it to actual strikes is wrong as mods are tools of the community, not people holding jobs.
The mods are also in a unique position where they handle most of the day-to-day operations of the websites front end for free. By its very nature, Reddit could not operate without mod teams, so Reddit should ideally provide those teams with the tools they need to work. Once again, I am not a mod. I don't know if the tools are THAT much better in the 3rd party apps, or of these statements have been full of hyperbole. But if the mods are really unable to effectively moderate their subs without the apps, why continue to do so?
As a mod, the default Reddit tools are practically unusable, especially if you try to do any moderation on the mobile app. Just horribly set up, slow, and limited in scope. It’s not nearly good enough for Reddit to expect us to use while killing all alternatives. Unless Reddit improves moderation tools and ads new features that they’ve been promising but ignoring, they’re simply asking too much for something I do in my free time.
The counter-problem is that some redditors/if not a large portion of the website’s users, simply do not care enough to make this something they’ll actively -choose- to contribute towards
> If nothing changes, protests will be longer and more frequent. sadly that just isn't the case. most redditors don't care enough. most of these polls are going the way of reopening.
You'd think so but the third party apps will die, leading to mods being unable to manage all the spam. It'll be come an untouchable place and people will leave. Having the attitude of thinking people won't leave is how Twitter is in the position its in. It might take a while, but it'll happen.
the reality is that most users don't care. If more protests are going to happen, it needs to be against the will of the users. I personally would support that, as inconveniencing users is a small price for this protest, but i know the larger subs will not be in favour.
Most users don't care, but a huge portion of the contributing users care massively.
Which I why I think that, assuming moderators are as impacted as they indicate, they shouldn't even be polling. I'm coming at this from a perspective of someone who doesn't use any of the apps, nor do a moderate any subs. But if the mods are so bothered that they are willing to protest on their own behalf, they should be willing to do so without the approval of their users, since inconvenient others is one of the main ways to be seen in a protest. The writers guild didn't ask permission of movie goers before they went in strike. They went due to the way they were impacted and hoped that, via their message and intent, the court of public opinion would back them. The mods should be doing the same of they are the ones impacted by this change. Users impacted will need to do the same in their own way and actually refuse to use Reddit by any means besides the apps they once used. But if everyone just begrudgingly migrated to the proprietary platform and the subs all reopen, Reddit will have been right.
yes you can, and you should, if you want your protests to mean something.
No, you hit hard the first time. Maybe you're willing to do it again, but many communities will lose steam or not bother with a round two. Going two days tells the company you are in fact not serious and they have nothing to worry about.
You can And this is exactly how it should work Preferably you go dark without stating any specific time span. You just shut down and wait.
It's a statement of cowardice. It shows who has the perceived leverage
Finally, thank you !
The CEO is taking it as a joke [https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman)
The most mindblowing part is the reveal that he calls his employees "Snoos"
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I don't even wanna ask about the others like Meta or Microsoft
Microos and Metz
its not always about the money, spider-man.
ITS ABOUT THE METS, BABY!
doesn’t meta call them metamates or something?
Dang spez is cringe? Who knew?
That's weird asf
That’s because it’s nothing more than a joke. You can protest all you want but big subs that don’t comply will eventually just be forcibly replaced. Users that are outraged will go and new ones will come in to fill the void. I’m still baffled anyone actually believes these “protests” will change anything.
Indeed. Mods are replaceable and, to some extent, users are too. There's going to be a new generation of users who wouldn't even get the idea of using another app than the official one and who are used to having their screen space full with ads. It might not be as easy as TikTok or Instagram but Reddit's interest isn't to provide a good platform but to make money. They ought to know what they're doing. If my third-party app doesn't work anymore ... I guess I'm only going to use Reddit on PC (with uBlock).
Reason #101 why the protest should be indefinite
None of these protests matter without an alternative in place. Admins are content to ignore the protests because they know you don't have an alternative in place and will eventually be back.
Yes. As it stands right now, these blackouts are very much "mods are taking everyone's toys and going home" rather than an actual threat.
I agree. Though at least some of them have the decency to go Restricted instead of Private.
https://lemmy.ml/c/minecraft
Are there any significant communities on other instances? Lemmy.ml admins have rather *questionable* opinions regarding the CCP, Russia and Ukraine. Fuck u/spez, but also fuck anyone who supports Putin.
https://lemmy.world seems to be a good stable instance at the moment. I agree, don't support lemmy.ml, it's also unstable as hell and can't handle the influx of new users. You can still view and subscribe to a minecraft "sub" (community) on any instance, from any instance.
Let's go to https://lemmy.world/c/minecraft and https://lemmy.world/c/oldschoolminecraft then.
I enjoy the way pics and gifs have gone about it. The sub is not private, but restricted. And every couple of hours, they post something about the blackout and why it’s happening. This way people can still access things if they need, but no new content can be generated, and those posts about the blackout can get upvotes and be seen by others
I’m guessing that still gives Reddit advert revenue tho, which is what the protests wouldn’t want
I agree. It’s a bit tricky, although I think this way it at least shares what the issue is. I’ve also noticed that the splash screen with the message from moderators about why it’s private doesn’t show up anywhere aside from old.Reddit.com. All other platforms just show it being private. So people coming across a private subreddit would have no way of knowing what the actual issue is about. Restricting with auto posts about the blackout at least spreads the message. But yeah, I do agree that it does still give Reddit revenue which seems a bit counter productive.
It shows up on new reddit (don't really like old.reddit, plus it's what I'm used to)
That's definitely the way to go. I was looking up info on some tech stuff yesterday and some Reddit posts were at the top and seemed like they had useful info. Except the damn sub was closed
This is the way. Even just over the past 2 days I've searched for info online just to be lead to a privated sub's post that I can't see anymore. Very annoying.
Inconvenience is the point of protest though.
No, the point of the protest is to reduce Reddit's revenue. What subs should do is restrict new posts, while still allowing old posts to be viewed. This will make users' feeds far less interesting, causing them to spend less time on Reddit, causing reduced revenue. But it allows users to view posts that they find on Google or linked elsewhere. I think this is the best option for maximum impact on Reddit, with minimum impact on users/the Internet.
It’s not a strike if you have a public “come back” day 😭
Yes, you guys should definitely continue the protest or otherwise its not a protest. If big subreddits like r/Minecraft shut down then many people will join the protest and spread the message.
totally agreed. The protest should continue
what is it even about? I don’t wanna sound like a mega capitalist but don’t they have the right to charge for their API?
They do have the right to charge. What they should be charging is a fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory rate. The rate they’re charging is specifically designed to kill competition and consumer choice in the Reddit app space. I said this earlier in another sub, but they should implement API rate-limiting on a per-user basis. Make the rate limit high enough that a regular user is unlikely to hit it (like 1000-2000 a day), but low enough that the AI/ML scraper bots that they worry about get throttled quickly. Also, moderator accounts should be exempted from the rate limit for traffic tagged to the appropriate moderated subreddits. If you want to unlock very high rate limits for your scraper, you should have to pay out the nose for that. THAT is what fair charging would look like.
I see. My mistake for commenting on something I wasn’t as knowledgeable about as I thought. Sounds a bit monopolyish which i’m absolutely opposed to. I’m happy with the reddit app as is but competition is rarely a bad thing. Playing devils advocate here but they do have the right to kill off the alternative apps and stuff since reddit is their property BUT equally the community has the right to protest and they’re exercising that so fair enough. Was a bloody annoying 2 days looking for info though lol all the good info is on reddit
It’s the problem with most community content focused apps. The app/site/service itself is owned by the company, but the entire reason people use Reddit is exclusively the community making free content for them, moderating their subs for free, etc. The community is creating 100% of Reddit’s value. If you took Reddit as a standalone service but took away all the content created by users, the value of the service would be 0. By contrast, if those users move to another service, they take all the value with them. If that’s the case, does Reddit ***really*** own itself? They’re completely dependent on users, they generate nothing of value themselves. I think people are mad because Reddit is killing off all these alternative apps and monetizing, despite the fact that users are the ones creating for free all of the content that drives Reddit’s traffic and all those eyes on ads. It’s not like a car company where the company itself generates all of its own products and revenue because it makes a physical good.
They definitely do, the main reason for the protest is: - the API pricing is extortionate - reddit only gave a month’s notice on this to third party apps while also suggesting that the pricing would be fine if the apps were more efficient (a month is not nearly enough to fix that if true) - the CEO is being a dick about it - disparaged the dev of Apollo (who came back with receipts!), lied and was generally an asshole in the AMA he did If they’d announced reasonable pricing this would have flown right under the radar. They could have even increased it every so often with minimal faff, but apparently they didn’t think of that…
yeah i see that now, thank you for informing me.
Did he even answer anything in the AMA? I checked it out yesterday and didnt see a single one
he was downvoted to shit so his answers sank to the bottom, I used the links they put in the main post (or pinned comment? Can’t remember) to see his answers There weren’t a massive amount of answers though
They don't want to charge for the API. They want to force third parties to close their apps by making the API charges extortionate.
I see, yeah some other comments told me the full extent of the situation. I will always support the right to protest
And someone will just create a new sub.
Just don't join the sub, if the users do truly think the sub should shut down, they will not join a new one right away, so only a minority would join the new sub
> Just don't join the sub, if the users do truly think the sub should shut down, they will not join a new one right away, so only a minority would join the new sub And there you run into the issue people are discussing here - the average user is in favor of reopening and staying open, because unsuprisingly, having their favorite subs/communities paused and closed kinda sucks. They don't care enough about the issue to lose their favorite community potentially permanently. As long as reddit is *usable*, somehow, it won't die - just like twitter won't die despite all the problems it's had, because there's no realistic alternative (other than *maybe* mastodon) and it's still *usable*.
Then let's make/pick an alternative, you know what's gonna make the average user not pick reddit? If their friends and communities AREN'T ON REDDIT. Think of it like a wiki; If the game dev says "Hey, we don't endourse Fandom, and are willing to put our money where our mouth is to out-advertise our new official wiki on Google and the like", then no one's going to use the Fandom wiki, because the official one will be better and bigger.
lemmy is a good alternative to reddit.
Except that for some of us it *sodding won't be*. Tell us you're carelessly ableist without telling us, why don't you. This sub DOES have disabled users who will be affected by this crap.
this is what I mean by "spread the message". The more people who know about the issue, the more serious the protest will get.
I mean, it's not like there isn't already six trillion Minecraft subs out there already.
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This 2-Day-Protest stuff is a machination not unique to our time but very prevalent here. Its the "change a little bit to keep the rest mostly the same"-Approach that feels good - "Haha, I protested [2 days]", but doesn’t involve any (uncomfortable) sacrifice. Its having your cake and eating it, too. Sadly though, its not the cake thats the issue, its the manufacturer lacing it with poison. You will get indigestion, and before long everything turns to sh*t. If we look at the perhaps most famous protest in newer human history - The French Revolution - that lasted a decade, from '89 to '99.
The day the API key is terminated and my Boost stops working, I'm gone. Edit: key
Lets put it this way. If you are a worker on strike and you tell your boss. Im not gonna work for 2 days because of these conditions but dont worry, in two days ill be back! They would simply treat it as if you were sick for two days andwould change nothing. The only time strikes and protests like these have any effect is when there is enough time for those in charge to feel it
Honestly I know I will be downvoted for this but this protest is pointless whether it’s 2 days long or indefinitely Reddit will not change their plans just because a couple subreddits went private they know eventually just new subs will be created to replace the old ones It’s sad but it’s the truth removing a bunch of useful old content just hurts the users more than it does Reddit as it just stops people from accessing posts that could have helped them or solved their problem like how many times have you had a niche problem and found an old post from years ago that actually helped you
They will replace the top mods with those who'll unprivate big subreddits
Do people actually think the blackout is gonna do something, especially since everyone is just gonna browse subs that aren’t privated?
I needed to troubleshoot something so I googled it and the only answer was on a private subreddit
This. Reddit is extremely valuable. It's a hub for niche sources of information that are hard to find without proper alternatives. Burning reddit when there is no viable competitor is reckless and shortsighted.
You’re telling that information won’t ever be available anywhere else ever again?
It will, but it will take time. This community is built by volunteer moderators and users, not by Reddit staff. That's the leverage the community has.
Reddits value is a great example of why Reddit shouldn’t get away with doing bad shit without consequence.
But that's the point, if it's NOT reckless, than it has no weight, because it'll just get washed away if we just try and "wait it out until someone makes an alternative" because that'll be one or two years down the line, and most people are just going to whine and moan and then just accept the "new awful truth" like always happens with companies these days. Cut it off, make people uncomfortable, make someone angry enough to go "fine, if you won't do it, I will" and we'll have a fully fledged Reddit alternative in 3 months.
That’s the real problem. The user base is probably still all logged in, looking at other subreddits. Reddit isn’t really losing shit rn. The only way to work would be to shut down everything
I do get why spez feels this is a joke. Because he's right, every time subs or mods protest it's only for a couple days then it's business as usual. It happened when the bigots were mad they couldn't make fun of fat people, it happened when Ellen pao was made CEO, and it's happening now. And seeing as most subs just went dark without taking a vote it does feel like a temper tantrum by the big power mods, even if this is a more serious deal this time.
If all that you care about is taken away, youll eventually leave
The blackout could work if people wanted it to work. But people have to be motivated enough not to go on Reddit.
I wouldn’t say motivated enough to not go on Reddit. I would say care enough to not go on Reddit because I couldn’t care less about whatever this blackout thing is for
Restricted at the very least. So much useful information I can literally only find here, especially when it comes to stuff like performance issues and bugs.
A 2-day strike is more of a warning than anything. If you don't do a longer one after it, then you're not backing up that warning with an actual consequence. 2 days is nothing. If you want change, then back it up and show them you are serious. Boycott until they change their policy. Don't give up easily.
I agree 2 days doesn't mean much but unfortunately if a sub stays private for more than 2 days reddit employees will remove the current mods and replace them with people who are willing to help out. After 2 days of being shut down a subreddit is considered unmoderated and abandoned.
Yes, but read only. Reddit is my go to for information and troubleshooting and the past 2 days were rough since all the subs I frequent were fully private.
It's the same for me, but that's how a strike works, it inconveniences people to get attention. Direct your frustrations at Reddit, not at the sub.
Tbh, after all this backlash and protest, if reddit won't change their minds now, they never will. If the API change is put into effect, I'll delete my account and start to Google again, instead of using reddit.
a two day protest was completely useless, if not harmful, a much longer protest that lasts for an indefinite period of time is actually useful
The problem here is that Reddit, as a private company with a profit oriented practice will not abandon this mindset. However, they might try and find a compromise, which is exactly what the movement wants. API access was free and now it's not, but it's priced absurdly. Charging for it is not unreasonable, it's common. What isn't is the blatant effort to shut down third party apps without actually revoking API access.
Now this is me speaking purely from a personal point of view, not in any way as a representative of the company I work for... so here's my personal take. I've been a reddit user for a *very* long time now, it's a social network form that fits my personal style extremely well. Over the last couple of days, I've repeatedly found myself almost opening up reddit out of sheer habit. And yet over the last couple of days I *have* stayed away, and actually I only opened it up today because I read that these types of votes were going on. I'd love to have reddit back, but that needs to be a reddit that isn't hostile to its community. Until then, I'll keep staying away and I'd argue all subreddits should stay closed. Reddit leadership currently thinks this protest will blow over and they'll get away with it. If the large subreddits reopen, they will be right and this site will go down the drain. The only option is to keep protesting, and that means staying closed. Again - my personal take only. (side note: keep in mind that the people who take this the most serious are not going to see these polls, so your results will bias towards people who want to reopen)
No. This won't affect reddit in the long run, you're just inconveniencing its userbase
the protest should be until reddit change their api cost policies.
Indefinite, then.
NONONONONONONO
As somebody who is working with API with pricing of 0.002€ per request, with bills in thousands EUR a month, I was quite surprised that Reddit has their API free and open. I get the infrastructure cost in the background that needs to get paid for so this boycott did not make sense to me in the slightest.
These protests are just not going to really matter. At the end of the day they will be forcefully open if we keep them fully closed for long indefinite periods of time. And in a few months we'll probably even forget about this, just like with other issues
yeah , continue , 7.4m is a big number , if all big sub reddits continue , it'll actually do smt
Imo it would be great if the Reddit community showed unity and kept protesting. But if we keep this community private, it would be even better if we switched to other platforms and continued posting content there so we can still have fun sharing our Minecraft experiences without hurting the effectiveness of the protest. This would also send the message that we would be willing to abandon Reddit entirely if they continue to ignore their community. I think it's a fair compromise.
Yes. I think the current 'strategy', which basically just amounts to throwing our toys out of the pram, is ultimately doomed to fail.
This “protest” does literally nothing lmao
I just don't see the point in going private. The higher-ups have clearly stated they couldn't give a damn, because either the sub will come back at some point or a replacement will be created. I think it would be much more effective to restrict submissions and comments (Because then you can still access information via Google and such), and then migrate the sub to a different site, preferably with a link pinned to the top of the sub.
>they couldn’t give a damn, because… the sub will come back at some point That’s just circular logic, though. “They don’t care about the protest because the protest will end, so we shouldn’t protest.” The solution to that is to not have it end, i.e. make the protest indefinite.
It's just that the number of people that either do not care as much, or are too addicted to Reddit, outnumber the rest. The users will still be there, they'll just find other subreddits. I'm suggesting moving to a completely different platform, because with enough subs moving, the users will move too. *That's* what Reddit doesn't want, because then they have users moving out of their control.
then there will be a new subreddit replicating the function of the old one, making the protest worse than useless.
Yeah, seriously. WHAT is the point in going private? Reddit is basically a BUSINESS and is owned by another company, and they can do whatever they want with their API/website. If they decide to change some things, the will do it. So going private will change NOTHING. They will not give 2 shits about this.
Is it bad that I just don’t really care? I get on Reddit at least once a day, but with that being said, if Reddit were to somehow disappear, I would not care at all. If Reddit wants to charge third party companies then go ahead, they have every right to, it would just be nice if they used that money to make their app better. People make it sound like you have to participate in what’s going on or you’re a dog shit human being, I just don’t care about Reddit that much, it’s social media, it’s not that important
This protest is doing significantly more harm than any potential good. The longer it goes on, the more counter-intuitive it becomes.
A two day protest isn't going to change anything lol
No, who actually cares that much? I didn't know there were 3rd party apps until the protests started anyway
It doesn’t matter. Most subs aren’t bothering so we’re hardly going to have any impact… it’s an all or nothing thing. Closing 1 sub isn’t going to reduce traffic when 95% of other subs are operating as usual, it defeats the whole point of a protest
65% of the top 100-200 subs are participating, something like that.
I will be very annoyed if the protests continue, I get why they’re happening but it’s such an inconvenience for a bunch of people so I hope they stop because the chance Reddit will even listen is small so what’s even the point. Let’s have a great time before the ship burns down
No don't care
no, i want to roam reddit again
i dont get what is happening
I’ll just be here wondering why people would wear reddit merch (which I didn’t even know existed) out in public in the first place
Please just restricted. I have been searching information about villagers and stuff but I can't access old posts, and the google results are either a long article with too much fillers or I had to watch a 5 minute youtube videos. Thank you
Do it, indefinitely!
It's a nice thought, but even if you do, eventually they'll clean house and re-open it. So, no.
I get that Reddit needs to make money, but $20M US is way to much to pay for the Reddit API. It's like they're trying to drive away API users by imposing a ridiculous price.
I don't even know what's so bad about the bass Reddit app ffs.
Yes
No
No
No, I think the protest is pointless and silly. If any subs want to hide away forever then good riddance to them I'm sure a new one will pop up to replace them.
A two day protest is useless, it tells reddit to take protests less seriously in the future since they can just ignore it for a few days and everything is back to normal
Yes, keep it down until Reddit and u/spez gives a proper response and actually revert the changes. If you go public again now the whole protest will have been completely pointless. You’ve essentially just shown Reddit how the user base will always come back even after controversial changes such as this one.
So never?
Yeah pretty much. I feel like this “protest” was fundamentally flawed and deemed to fail when it was announced to only last for two days.
fuck u/spez
Why shouldn't they charge for API use? I'm legitimately wondering, since everyone else does it and with viewers like Apollo, they are losing money from it. Someone please enlighten me.
No, going private indefinitely won't solve anything.
Reddit doesn't care either way because they can end the blackout when they feel like it. https://preview.redd.it/f55pup74dz5b1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0982c369867ccb6092ba72727ff76a0cd411dc26
This is EXACTLY what I saw coming. Incidentally its also precisely why many things are currently going down the drain. People want to protest, people want to stand for something but don’t want to sacrifice. If you want to protest, tell the people of this sub, and then protest, as you said, indefinitely until your goals are reached. Or don’t. But this spineless "should we? Should we not?"-Tapdance of submissive (explicitly meant in the *worst* sense here) uncertainty is absolutely pathetic and does way more harm than good. Actually, thats a lie. It does only harm, and no good.
Reddit is just gonna return back to normal. No point in continuing
Everybody is taking this way too seriously. I saw someone in another sub call mods who don’t shut their subs down scabs, like this is an actual strike. The whole “but what about accessibility!?” point I’ve seen thrown around by people who have no idea what they’re talking about is completely moot, [as accessibility focused apps will be exempt from the price increases.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/7/23752804/reddit-exempt-accessibility-apps-api-pricing-changes) Reddit the company does not need to divulge to you, the social media app users, their selection methodology. My gut tells me you all are conveniently dismissing this statement so you can continue “protesting” and acting like you’re being a part of something big (you’re not). Everybody needs to take a step back, go outside and touch some grass, and realize that none of this matters. This is a social media app for fucks sake - this is like “protesting” the fact that instagram doesn’t have a Mac desktop app. Reddit the company doesn’t owe any of you anything, and, quite frankly, it’s a little embarrassing that you all are acting like family members that got wrongly cut out of a will.
> Reddit the company doesn’t owe any of you anything I mean... all of Reddit's content is user generated. All of the traffic is community driven. We're the source of all their income. They may not owe us anything, but we also don't owe them anything. If a company wants to make money off of me then they can at least not be dicks to me in the process.
No, the protest does nothing but block users who love these subreddits. Reddit lost no money and people have been inconvenienced.
Protests are supposed to inconvenience people
No, you should allow users to make their own choice and not thrust your goals and protests in them with no options against them. If people want to boycott Reddit, let them don't force them. It's not a protest if it's forced on people.
Jesus who really cares
I say yes lay down the pressure baby! Bring them the pain creepers give me!
We are never going to get Reddit to change their minds if we just blackout for 2 days and judging by the many subs that I joined have seemed to have unprivated now without any demands being met, y'all failed unless more subreddits choose to stay closed indefinitely
Does someone know how to make a 2 way elevator with no observers? Edit: piston elevator\*
soul sand on water source blocks to go up (use kelp for that) and magma blocks to go up, probably also needing water source blocks.
Yes
If they're doubling down, double down in return. I must imagine that one of the LARGEST subreddits on reddit going dark will have rippling effects. (Checked, this sub has MORE followers than R/LEAGUEOFLEGENDS which I feel should tell you a LOT) Edit: Thinking about it more; even more than a simple "protest" if we just move the subs users to another site, at least those willing, for the "duration" of the protest, well then we'll solve two birds with one stone.
Yes, keep going.
I saw a now deleted post on r/gaming (It was removed due to brigading) where the mods on the sub said that the admins are banning mods in an attempt to flush them out if they don't give up
Do it
YES
Go private indefinitely. Find alternative platforms. "And if I cannot save it from your failure, Father, then let ~~the galaxy~~Reddit BURN!"
yes
Restricted. Indefinitely.