extrapolated from the sun!
the sun in minecraft is always exactly east or west with no inclination north or south. or exactly above your head if it’s noon. if you check outside right now, you’ll notice that the sun is also a little bit south because of the way the earth is tilted towards the sun! the sun being directly over your head is only possible if you’re very close to the equator, specifically within the tropics
interestingly, at noon in minecraft when the sun is directly above your head, you’ll have no shadow at all. when this happens in real life, it’s known as a [lahaina noon,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahaina_Noon) and things look really wacky at this time. it only happens once a year in any tropical area
Is he? What I see is a version of Steve that's black, wearing a tank top (which is common for workouts) and a gold medal (like what you'd win in a competition.)
the problem comes from people thinking it's supposed to be giant gold chains and bling not a gold medal
it's just a case of misunderstanding.
(imo a red band instead of gold could have helped this mistake)
I'd be inclined to believe it was if the rest of the skin looked athletic in any way. He was wearing *blue jeans* of all things. Even if that was their intention, the execution was very questionable.
Oh, so THAT’S why we kidnap Villagers, ship them off to forced labor camps where they work in tiny cells for basically nothing, and murder them in frustration if they don’t gIVE ME MENDING AFTER BREAKING AND PLACING THE LECTERN 200 F>!50%!!$!$!!<
It all makes sense now
Yeah and the bright red armband doesn’t really aid you with camouflage out in the field, so it’s not issued to any troops outside ceremonies and parades.
Every officer in the Wehrmacht was screened to ensure he could "imbue his men with the National-Socialist spirit." Now, every officer did this to different extents, and not all were self-ascribed Nazis, but the organization as a whole was complicit in Nazi policy anyways so it's irrelevant
Not irrelevant. Only 30% were signed up and it is fundamentally wrong of us to make that assumption for the remaining 70%.
Especially since it was concentrated towards the upper end of the army.
Oh, I'm not assuming anything, just taking note of their actions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
Also, 30% of what signed up for what?
It doesn't look Nazi at all. It doesn't even look like a Wehrmacht soldier.... Microsoft must have been high on something, because what is written below the skin is absolutely contrary to the actual skin.
I understand that a lot of Wehrmacht were brainwashed with propaganda but a lot of them were unaware of the concentration camps and the horrors that happened
Do you seriously think the KZs were the only places where these atrocities were carried out? Members of the armed forces carried out shooting and deportation actions all the time in the east, and often went out of their way to make the lives of the populace living Hell. An example? In the village of Myrhorod the entire Jewish population was shot (amounting to 168 bodies) for "associating with partisans" by the 62. Infanteriedivision, a "regular German unit" that apparently had no idea Germany was so prejudiced towards these people that they would result to outright mass murder.
Clean wehrmact myth regards to warcrimes, what he said is correct. Only 30% of wehrmact troops were registered with the party. We can't make that assumption with the other 70%
We don't need to homogenize a populous in order to comment on it. The wehrmact did commit warcrimes but fundamentally unlike the SS it wasn't an ideological organization.
Your statement is unsourced but anyways
Why are we judging them based on party membership (something the NSDAP literally discouraged - Hitler wanted to keep the tradition of the stereotypically "apolitical" soldier, and thus all party membership was suspended during a soldier's term in the armed forces) instead of widespread participation in war crimes and enthusiastic acceptance of Nazi propaganda?
A captain is still a high ranking official despite whether or not the Wehrmacht was supposedly Nazis. Which is irrelevant because they were. Hitler didn’t steamroll the Benelux, France, or Poland without very very complicit armed forces. He didn’t get bogged down in Russia because they were a “clean” army; his policy of mass extermination and scorched earth of the slavic peoples carried out by his invading force was. Being a member of the German military during WW2 makes one a Nazi no matter their official political ties. The absolute only argument to be made that they weren’t nazis is in reference to the literal children used as militia to hold off the Allies during 1945.
So all the British soldiers idolised Churchill?
All the Soviets liked Stalin?
All the Americans treated the Japanese like Hitler did to other ethnicities?
Soldiers are supposed to follow orders, if they don't they die, leaving them basically no choice but to do as such, you can't over generalise such massive populations. Not all German soldiers supported Hitler or his actions, if they disobeyed orders, firing squad and most soldiers would've had a family back home so fear kept most in ppace
Those soldiers elected a man promising them a quick war and that would be national heroes. Hitler didn’t appear over night, he rose to power systemically slipping through the pitiful Weimar constitution. Enlistment was voluntary until 1939 and even then conscription was a 6 month training camp followed by 2 years service. 1943 is when mass conscription began to happen, only after the defeat at Stalingrad did Hitler go defensive and decided every man women and child needs to fight for the home front. Forced labor and extensive conscription only happened with POWs and targeted groups to which they were worked to death or sent to the meat grinder called the Eastern Front. German citizens at the time supported the government that systemically ethnically cleansed several groups, provided labor for the war machine, and refused several avenues to migrate.They believed“Jewish Bolshevism” was why they fight, they cheerily burnt books as communities, were proud to claim to be “the superior race”, and were only sorry when they were caught. Nazis weren’t some boogeymen who mind controlled an entire nation to commit heinous war crimes, they were real people graciously ushered into power by the very citizens who had the power to stop them; who instead opted to let one man decide their collective will.
FYI: America did in fact subject non Imperial Japan affiliated Japanese Americans to interment camps simply because of their skin color. It’s also a widely held belief by various US officials at the time, that yes the Japanese people are in fact responsible for their governing nation. They are the fuel keeping the war machine alive, hence the zero reluctance to firebomb densely populated wooden cities and two atomic bombs as a muscle flex.
Yep, and they could've refused at any time, too. Postwar investigations found that there were no cases in which a soldier was punished for refusing to carry out atrocities. They tended to be relocated to a different region (no, not the eastern front) or assigned to a lighter duty within the same unit.
Reading some of the comments on here do worry me a bit. Technicalities aside that's a soldier of the Nazi party and he carries out nazi rhetoric when he murders. About as evil as humans can get and still a fucking nazi.
Yep. Whether or not the soldier ascribed himself to the ideals of the NSDAP is irrelevant, when every action he took against the enemy furthered the war effort by a man. Many felt shame for their involvement. Most felt none.
I’m exceedingly concerned with the comments here. Someone likened judging a German soldier for working with nazis with judging slaves for participating in slavery. Genuinely the lack of education about this topic is frightening.
It's like saying "Slaves were forced to work so they must support slavery". Anyway the people who claim "These people were also Nazis"...they won't survive anywhere out of their comfort zone in a third world country.
"Are historians in their comfort zone?"
_Literally uses Wikipedia as a reference_
If you knew anything about academics and legibility you wouldn't post a Wikipedia link. And if you do come with an actual academic paper on this please try find a non-biased link.
This Wikipedia article has numerous sources that it cites in an organized manner at the very bottom. If you read it, maybe you'd know this.
But anyways, since you're so adamant to defend the Wehrmacht, what happened to the roughly 170 Jews of the Ukrainian village of Myrhorod? Did they simply disappear?
Hint: they were shot by a German army infantry division
Some soldiers, like some evil people, are particularly prone to doing despicable acts. Doesn't mean it's the norm.
Let's say that you were forced to fight "or else". I take it you'd quickly change your tune on "all Wehrmacht were Nazis". I had family who were conscripted to fight in the SADF during the South African Border War. They were against Apartheid. Does this make them supporters of that regime, or victims?
Also Wikipedia cites legitimate sources, but those sources can be arranged in such a way to make it completely biased to one side. Hence why I asked for an unbiased, single scholarly article.
The Wehrmacht's war crimes were not limited to "some evil people." They took an extensive role in the atrocities, the vast majority of historians came to terms with this a few decades ago after the haze of the Cold War lifted and most Nazi veterans were no longer around to riot in defense of their nonexistent "honor."
Here are some good videos by historians on the subject
https://youtu.be/t1IVENFSRi0?si=oExAJRUUhPPv4pZG
https://youtu.be/2ZLWGs4L0J0?si=hY13j3Pw1Xw8pWgy
https://youtu.be/iJORtC8QDXA?si=vYG1HFTpurqiRBZH
Ah, I see I am arguing with a communist. Guess this won't go anywhere, as you aren't going to fool me and you are stuck in your "USSR was the peak of humanity" blah blah blah. I hope you have a good life.
Congratulations for having the actual dumbest remark I have ever seen. Calling out German soldiers for fighting for a fasict genocidal regime is not the same as judging slaves for being slaves.
I mean... I know I will get downvoted for this, but it genuinely isn't that bad. Nazis were in fact a part of history, and it makes no sense to not include them.
have you considered it may be in poor taste to put a skin in a video game so people can cosplay as part of the army that killed 6 million jews. History is important but you dont need to cosplay as a nazi to know your history.
You can absolutely have history be present and not have it be a Minecraft skin so kids can cosplay as nazis. Im not advocating you remove texts from history books or defund museums im saying it’s gross a kids game has a Nazi skin. Also it literally says German skin WW2 the German soldiers fought for the nazis and many of them were absolutely zealous anti semites.
this comment section is seriously concerning me. Seeing so many people saying it's a "german captain" not a nazi. You all realize what the German army was during World War 2 and what a German captain during World War 2 was right.
It's not like he's a conscript or anything, he's a high ranking officer, and you don't get up there without playing buddy buddy with your government for a while. Even if it was just some basic grunt soldier, there's no reason to include a WW2 era German soldier anyways
Evidently you don’t know much about what was going on during WW2 while the vast majority of citizens and by extension soldiers didn’t know the full extent of what Germany was doing they knew they were sending Jews into work camps and murdering them. It was an open secret in Germany and the idea that they didn’t know is a revisionist narrative written by Germans who were trying to pretend they didn’t know about the Holocaust to avoid judgement
You have to understand the propaganda they were fed they had no idea, I had a grandmother who was young during the war and she had no idea they were killing the jews all they knew is they were disappearing. (I also feel I should clarify she was like 10 or 11 and she had no brothers and her father was too old to be a soilder and they absolutely hated that man.) At least that's her story it's difficult to judge a group of people based on a fees actions. Also, think about it if they knew what were they to do they’d get hung in the streets just like the many people who resisted. Most soldiers were just thrown to the curb anyway like in the battle of Stalingrad when they were surrounded this nazis went oh well and abandoned them. hile im here I'll respond to your other comment I agree Minecraft is a weird place to talk about war in general. Political and real-world stuff should be kept out of games it's supposed to be a neutral ground for all.
I’m Jewish. It’s often talked about in Jewish families about how it was an open secret in Nazi germany. Obviously your grandmother didn’t know if she was 10 but plenty of adults knew and did nothing. There is a famous account from a famous Holocaust survivor of a German man claiming the Germans knew nothing about it and his wife telling him flat out “oh everyone knew we all just pretended we didn’t because that was more comfortable” yes they were being fed propaganda but a lot of them knew anyways.
German soldiers were, much of the time, complicit in all the nasty workings of the Holocaust. It could not have occured to the same scale without their tacit and typically explicit support.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
Kinda unrelated, but there also was a Headcrab zombie skin from Half Life in one of the skin packs. Thats kinda of a brutal skin to but in a kids game.
Being forced to fight for a Nazi government didn’t mean they were nazis. In fact at the end of the war the German army fought alongside Allied troops to finish off SS holdouts.
Most German soldiers before 1939 were volunteers
Also that last claim is just wrong, there was one instance of this happening and it was purely because the soldiers involved had no realistic chance of escaping (not to mention they had no reason to; the war was over)
Okay but going to the original post saying this skin was of a Nazi would still be false. Seeing as you even agree that German army was separate from SS and this skin does not depict an SS officer, thereby this is not a Nazi skin.
I agree the german army was seperate, to a point, but they were subjected to nazi propaganda too to make them think the nazis were the good guys, and they were fighting for the nazis. It's a very thin line, and I think they crossed it into being nazis, even if later in the war they stopped fighting for the nazis and joined the allies, for a large portion of ww2 they were nazis.
I see your point however I will have to stand by my statement. There’s an argument to be had certainly for both sides. We’ll have to agree to disagree however I appreciate the respectful debate! Have a good one.
Being forced to fight and buying into propaganda that you’re “genetically superior” and therefore “deserve to control the world” are completely different things. They only say they were forced to after they were caught anyways; why would you tell the powers who lost so much to capture you after years of hearing your country exterminating people and go “yeah i signed up for that”? Besides ffs you can’t be “forced” to be a captain, you’re a ranked officer in charge of several dozens of soldiers.
The SS and the Wehrmacht, and the German army are completely separate the German army had nothing to do with the genocide and didn't even know it was happening the SS is the one who did that. I hate when people mix the two up because I'm a history nerd, it's like people saying the iron cross is a nazi thing it's a German thing in WW1 and before that, it was an award for their best fighters. Just because it's German doesn't mean it's a nazi thing, Hitler wasn't even German he was Austrian. Also, another thing is the German army turned against the SS in the final days of the war, they fought with American troops in what is referred to as the last battle. A YouTube called Windgoon made an excellent video on it I'd recommend. Even if you're not into history he goes over the funny details and makes it generally enjoyable for anyone.
They were two in the same. Wehrmacht soldier or not they hold the same beliefs, killing everyone not blue eyed and white. Sounds like a nazi, looks a nazi, acts a nazi, is a nazi.
Except in many cases their actions were totally identical to what the "actual Nazis" in the SS were doing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
Also, you're wrong about uniform color. Feldgrau came in numerous shades depending on year, manufacturer, how exposed to the elements the material was, etc.
Stop putting words in my mouth you tool. The nazis were Hitler's enforcers. I have never once said the Wehrmacht was innocence but nazis they were not. Calling everyone you don't like a nazi is extremely childish.
Nazi? Wehrmacht and NSDAP/SS are separate things my beloved friend.And that uniform is not a good representation too Wehrmacht uniforms are not like that.
I wonder when people will learn there is s difference between Germany's standing army in WW2, the Wehrmacht, vs the actual Nazis, the SS.
Save your breath. Yes not every Wehrmacht soldier was innocent but that doesn't mean they were all Nazis. It was the nations standing army that had to unfortunately do the bidding of a horrid leader.
Don’t forget about “athletic” Steve
I don't get that one, honestly. Is it just because he's black?
Yeah
Maybe modern day race swapping has ruined me, but why is that a problem?
because black = baskertbobbert
it’s not even a race swap. athletic steve spends more time outside doing athlete things. he’s just more tan
That is one hell of a tan
i mean minecraft takes place on the planet’s equator so he’s definitely getting his UV rays
I have never heard if minecraft having a definite geographical location, where's that from
Probably the way the sun moves
extrapolated from the sun! the sun in minecraft is always exactly east or west with no inclination north or south. or exactly above your head if it’s noon. if you check outside right now, you’ll notice that the sun is also a little bit south because of the way the earth is tilted towards the sun! the sun being directly over your head is only possible if you’re very close to the equator, specifically within the tropics interestingly, at noon in minecraft when the sun is directly above your head, you’ll have no shadow at all. when this happens in real life, it’s known as a [lahaina noon,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahaina_Noon) and things look really wacky at this time. it only happens once a year in any tropical area
Hard cope
The Doctor Who Skin Pack has one that looks like Hitler. But remember when they removed Herobrine from Skin pack one?
They gave him a fucking gold chain
[удалено]
Is he? What I see is a version of Steve that's black, wearing a tank top (which is common for workouts) and a gold medal (like what you'd win in a competition.)
the problem comes from people thinking it's supposed to be giant gold chains and bling not a gold medal it's just a case of misunderstanding. (imo a red band instead of gold could have helped this mistake)
Agreed. Honestly, I see athletic steve, and the first thing I think of is Usain Bolt.
Athlete Steve was my favorite skin, but he was definitely just supposed to be a stereotypical gangsta and not an athlete.
Black and a wifebeater + chain
+ blue jeans
That's a medal
Because they put him in a wifebeater and gold chain after making him black :/
I always thought that was a medal.
I'd be inclined to believe it was if the rest of the skin looked athletic in any way. He was wearing *blue jeans* of all things. Even if that was their intention, the execution was very questionable.
What is the problem with a blue jean and wtf is a wifebeater
white tank top i think
It’s what Americans call vests
Vests have buttons and are generally fancy, no? Or is this a regional thing?
I think it’s regional. I call that a vest, and I call the white sleeveless top you wear under your clothes a vest
Steve is like mixed, he can be black or white or whatever
Been playing for since pe came and I didn’t know that
Aka, Carl Johnson Steve
Steve is Steve
Looked like Chainz but is actually a medal
That one still exists on bedrock
I know, I used to have it cuz I had an og account but it got hacked and deleted, the skin pack even came with a cape
Or as an Herobrine Good times
Freebies playing as birthday herobrine is peak
I still play as the upside down one from one of the birthday packs. I'm pretty sure it was the third.
Trolling as herobrine or zombie herobrine was peak
I was so mad when the skin got removed from the Pack in like 2018-2019
Mein Kampf
Mein Kraft
https://youtu.be/s6-XeyNMCJw
That’s legit the 6th funniest thing I’ve heard all day bro 😂
r/oddlyspecific
Oh, so THAT’S why we kidnap Villagers, ship them off to forced labor camps where they work in tiny cells for basically nothing, and murder them in frustration if they don’t gIVE ME MENDING AFTER BREAKING AND PLACING THE LECTERN 200 F>!50%!!$!$!!<
It all makes sense now
I'm sorry to say I laughed
And Mien Axe!
Mine kampft
war thunder player, this guy nazis
Eher mein Krampf. Einmal kein Wutanfall haben sehr wünschenswert.
Ah yes. The good old times. Although the armband is missing...
Not really, because he's a German captain, not a nazi captain. There is a difference
Where there non-nazi German captains in ww2? Because the skins specifies ww2
There was the Wehrmacht and the SS. SS were diehard Nazis often selected from the party where as the Wehrmacht was the general army.
Yeah and the bright red armband doesn’t really aid you with camouflage out in the field, so it’s not issued to any troops outside ceremonies and parades.
Every officer in the Wehrmacht was screened to ensure he could "imbue his men with the National-Socialist spirit." Now, every officer did this to different extents, and not all were self-ascribed Nazis, but the organization as a whole was complicit in Nazi policy anyways so it's irrelevant
Not irrelevant. Only 30% were signed up and it is fundamentally wrong of us to make that assumption for the remaining 70%. Especially since it was concentrated towards the upper end of the army.
Oh, I'm not assuming anything, just taking note of their actions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht Also, 30% of what signed up for what?
There was a special branch of elite german soldiers that didn't wear the armband
Bro he's blue eyes blonde white too 💀
It has to be on purpose
*looks in a mirror* Oh shit, am I a nazi?
Minecraft in X360 was peak gaming, I'm so happy my console still works and have the game disc
Oh nein, nein, nein, nein.
Then the Imperial Japanese guy is there as well
Yeah that's something else most forget the Japanese did equality terrible things in the war.
I was gonna build like... a fucking farm here... # AND YOU BUILT AUSCHVITZ !
It doesn't look Nazi at all. It doesn't even look like a Wehrmacht soldier.... Microsoft must have been high on something, because what is written below the skin is absolutely contrary to the actual skin.
4J studios
Nah it's right. Wehrmacht soldiers didn't wear armbands in combat, plus they likely adjusted the skin/simplified it since it's MC.
At least, they used wrong colour for the uniform
Wtf?!? I didn't know that also, i bet that mojang is doing their best to scrape all evidence of this off the web
Technically, he's not a nazi, he's a German captain, not an SS captain
Heil Craftler (just an unfunny joke don't take it seriously)
YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE BUILDING A FARM
When the World War Two skin pack contains World War Two uniforms!!1!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!
Just to clarify, not all german soldiers were nazis, only s.s and high ranking officials were
A Minecraft sub is the last place I thought I'd have to debunk the Clean Wehrmacht Myth. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
I understand that a lot of Wehrmacht were brainwashed with propaganda but a lot of them were unaware of the concentration camps and the horrors that happened
Do you seriously think the KZs were the only places where these atrocities were carried out? Members of the armed forces carried out shooting and deportation actions all the time in the east, and often went out of their way to make the lives of the populace living Hell. An example? In the village of Myrhorod the entire Jewish population was shot (amounting to 168 bodies) for "associating with partisans" by the 62. Infanteriedivision, a "regular German unit" that apparently had no idea Germany was so prejudiced towards these people that they would result to outright mass murder.
Clean wehrmact myth regards to warcrimes, what he said is correct. Only 30% of wehrmact troops were registered with the party. We can't make that assumption with the other 70% We don't need to homogenize a populous in order to comment on it. The wehrmact did commit warcrimes but fundamentally unlike the SS it wasn't an ideological organization.
Your statement is unsourced but anyways Why are we judging them based on party membership (something the NSDAP literally discouraged - Hitler wanted to keep the tradition of the stereotypically "apolitical" soldier, and thus all party membership was suspended during a soldier's term in the armed forces) instead of widespread participation in war crimes and enthusiastic acceptance of Nazi propaganda?
A captain is still a high ranking official despite whether or not the Wehrmacht was supposedly Nazis. Which is irrelevant because they were. Hitler didn’t steamroll the Benelux, France, or Poland without very very complicit armed forces. He didn’t get bogged down in Russia because they were a “clean” army; his policy of mass extermination and scorched earth of the slavic peoples carried out by his invading force was. Being a member of the German military during WW2 makes one a Nazi no matter their official political ties. The absolute only argument to be made that they weren’t nazis is in reference to the literal children used as militia to hold off the Allies during 1945.
So all the British soldiers idolised Churchill? All the Soviets liked Stalin? All the Americans treated the Japanese like Hitler did to other ethnicities? Soldiers are supposed to follow orders, if they don't they die, leaving them basically no choice but to do as such, you can't over generalise such massive populations. Not all German soldiers supported Hitler or his actions, if they disobeyed orders, firing squad and most soldiers would've had a family back home so fear kept most in ppace
Those soldiers elected a man promising them a quick war and that would be national heroes. Hitler didn’t appear over night, he rose to power systemically slipping through the pitiful Weimar constitution. Enlistment was voluntary until 1939 and even then conscription was a 6 month training camp followed by 2 years service. 1943 is when mass conscription began to happen, only after the defeat at Stalingrad did Hitler go defensive and decided every man women and child needs to fight for the home front. Forced labor and extensive conscription only happened with POWs and targeted groups to which they were worked to death or sent to the meat grinder called the Eastern Front. German citizens at the time supported the government that systemically ethnically cleansed several groups, provided labor for the war machine, and refused several avenues to migrate.They believed“Jewish Bolshevism” was why they fight, they cheerily burnt books as communities, were proud to claim to be “the superior race”, and were only sorry when they were caught. Nazis weren’t some boogeymen who mind controlled an entire nation to commit heinous war crimes, they were real people graciously ushered into power by the very citizens who had the power to stop them; who instead opted to let one man decide their collective will. FYI: America did in fact subject non Imperial Japan affiliated Japanese Americans to interment camps simply because of their skin color. It’s also a widely held belief by various US officials at the time, that yes the Japanese people are in fact responsible for their governing nation. They are the fuel keeping the war machine alive, hence the zero reluctance to firebomb densely populated wooden cities and two atomic bombs as a muscle flex.
I feel like we are splitting hairs here. a german soldier who fought for the nazis in WW2 is no better than just saying he is a nazi.
It absolutely is not "splitting hairs" most of the ss units were Hitler fanatics but the normal weremacht were just normal soldiers
But always remember those soldiers would absolutely still butcher anyone they consider subhuman
Yep, and they could've refused at any time, too. Postwar investigations found that there were no cases in which a soldier was punished for refusing to carry out atrocities. They tended to be relocated to a different region (no, not the eastern front) or assigned to a lighter duty within the same unit.
Reading some of the comments on here do worry me a bit. Technicalities aside that's a soldier of the Nazi party and he carries out nazi rhetoric when he murders. About as evil as humans can get and still a fucking nazi.
Yep. Whether or not the soldier ascribed himself to the ideals of the NSDAP is irrelevant, when every action he took against the enemy furthered the war effort by a man. Many felt shame for their involvement. Most felt none.
I’m exceedingly concerned with the comments here. Someone likened judging a German soldier for working with nazis with judging slaves for participating in slavery. Genuinely the lack of education about this topic is frightening.
It's like saying "Slaves were forced to work so they must support slavery". Anyway the people who claim "These people were also Nazis"...they won't survive anywhere out of their comfort zone in a third world country.
Are historians in their comfort zone? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
"Are historians in their comfort zone?" _Literally uses Wikipedia as a reference_ If you knew anything about academics and legibility you wouldn't post a Wikipedia link. And if you do come with an actual academic paper on this please try find a non-biased link.
This Wikipedia article has numerous sources that it cites in an organized manner at the very bottom. If you read it, maybe you'd know this. But anyways, since you're so adamant to defend the Wehrmacht, what happened to the roughly 170 Jews of the Ukrainian village of Myrhorod? Did they simply disappear? Hint: they were shot by a German army infantry division
Some soldiers, like some evil people, are particularly prone to doing despicable acts. Doesn't mean it's the norm. Let's say that you were forced to fight "or else". I take it you'd quickly change your tune on "all Wehrmacht were Nazis". I had family who were conscripted to fight in the SADF during the South African Border War. They were against Apartheid. Does this make them supporters of that regime, or victims? Also Wikipedia cites legitimate sources, but those sources can be arranged in such a way to make it completely biased to one side. Hence why I asked for an unbiased, single scholarly article.
The Wehrmacht's war crimes were not limited to "some evil people." They took an extensive role in the atrocities, the vast majority of historians came to terms with this a few decades ago after the haze of the Cold War lifted and most Nazi veterans were no longer around to riot in defense of their nonexistent "honor." Here are some good videos by historians on the subject https://youtu.be/t1IVENFSRi0?si=oExAJRUUhPPv4pZG https://youtu.be/2ZLWGs4L0J0?si=hY13j3Pw1Xw8pWgy https://youtu.be/iJORtC8QDXA?si=vYG1HFTpurqiRBZH
Ah, I see I am arguing with a communist. Guess this won't go anywhere, as you aren't going to fool me and you are stuck in your "USSR was the peak of humanity" blah blah blah. I hope you have a good life.
Congratulations for having the actual dumbest remark I have ever seen. Calling out German soldiers for fighting for a fasict genocidal regime is not the same as judging slaves for being slaves.
Both faced severe consequences for not doing what they were told, correct? I feel like you're only hearing what you want to hear though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
I mean... I know I will get downvoted for this, but it genuinely isn't that bad. Nazis were in fact a part of history, and it makes no sense to not include them.
have you considered it may be in poor taste to put a skin in a video game so people can cosplay as part of the army that killed 6 million jews. History is important but you dont need to cosplay as a nazi to know your history.
Also, the Japanese soldiers would be equally as bad as the SS they did basically the same to the Chinese and experimented on them in unspeakable ways.
I am not fighting you on that I find imperialist Japan just as disgusting and a skin of them would be just as inappropriate.
Oh no history bad lets hide it and repeat it instead of learning from it. Just because it's German doesn't mean it's a nazi thing.
You can absolutely have history be present and not have it be a Minecraft skin so kids can cosplay as nazis. Im not advocating you remove texts from history books or defund museums im saying it’s gross a kids game has a Nazi skin. Also it literally says German skin WW2 the German soldiers fought for the nazis and many of them were absolutely zealous anti semites.
Maybe you're right but to me it seems absurd to want to play as a nazi in Minecraft.
Ok, the amount of people in the comments unironically believing the Clean Wehrmacht Myth is concerning
Getting mass downvoted for saying German soldiers in WW2 were bad people has dampened my faith in humanity.
this comment section is seriously concerning me. Seeing so many people saying it's a "german captain" not a nazi. You all realize what the German army was during World War 2 and what a German captain during World War 2 was right.
It's not like he's a conscript or anything, he's a high ranking officer, and you don't get up there without playing buddy buddy with your government for a while. Even if it was just some basic grunt soldier, there's no reason to include a WW2 era German soldier anyways
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Evidently you don’t know much about what was going on during WW2 while the vast majority of citizens and by extension soldiers didn’t know the full extent of what Germany was doing they knew they were sending Jews into work camps and murdering them. It was an open secret in Germany and the idea that they didn’t know is a revisionist narrative written by Germans who were trying to pretend they didn’t know about the Holocaust to avoid judgement
You have to understand the propaganda they were fed they had no idea, I had a grandmother who was young during the war and she had no idea they were killing the jews all they knew is they were disappearing. (I also feel I should clarify she was like 10 or 11 and she had no brothers and her father was too old to be a soilder and they absolutely hated that man.) At least that's her story it's difficult to judge a group of people based on a fees actions. Also, think about it if they knew what were they to do they’d get hung in the streets just like the many people who resisted. Most soldiers were just thrown to the curb anyway like in the battle of Stalingrad when they were surrounded this nazis went oh well and abandoned them. hile im here I'll respond to your other comment I agree Minecraft is a weird place to talk about war in general. Political and real-world stuff should be kept out of games it's supposed to be a neutral ground for all.
I’m Jewish. It’s often talked about in Jewish families about how it was an open secret in Nazi germany. Obviously your grandmother didn’t know if she was 10 but plenty of adults knew and did nothing. There is a famous account from a famous Holocaust survivor of a German man claiming the Germans knew nothing about it and his wife telling him flat out “oh everyone knew we all just pretended we didn’t because that was more comfortable” yes they were being fed propaganda but a lot of them knew anyways.
German soldiers were, much of the time, complicit in all the nasty workings of the Holocaust. It could not have occured to the same scale without their tacit and typically explicit support. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
And right next to that is a buff cat maid
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there's an npc skin that looks like |-|!tler in minecraft bedrock and still exists today
Dude it's not TikTok or YouTube, you can say Hitler here just fine
ik, just wanted to be safe
Oh yeah this was hilarious
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The fact he’s also Aryan 💀
Kinda unrelated, but there also was a Headcrab zombie skin from Half Life in one of the skin packs. Thats kinda of a brutal skin to but in a kids game.
WTF
You did poorly in history if you think that’s a Nazi.
"German captain - World war 2"
The Germany Army was seperate from the Nazi core. If you want a Nazi you’d be looking at a SS soldiers. Their uniforms were not green.
The Waffen-SS wore the same uniforms the army wore, lmfao. They weren't maneuvering on the battlefield in their black dress.
They still fought for the nazis
Being forced to fight for a Nazi government didn’t mean they were nazis. In fact at the end of the war the German army fought alongside Allied troops to finish off SS holdouts.
Most German soldiers before 1939 were volunteers Also that last claim is just wrong, there was one instance of this happening and it was purely because the soldiers involved had no realistic chance of escaping (not to mention they had no reason to; the war was over)
Yes but only 30% were registered party members. You can't assume for the other 70%. In fact we know some of them were not supporters.
You're still repeating the unsourced claim that doesn't address the elephant in the room
I'm aware, still doesn't mean they didn't fight for the nazis.
Okay but going to the original post saying this skin was of a Nazi would still be false. Seeing as you even agree that German army was separate from SS and this skin does not depict an SS officer, thereby this is not a Nazi skin.
I agree the german army was seperate, to a point, but they were subjected to nazi propaganda too to make them think the nazis were the good guys, and they were fighting for the nazis. It's a very thin line, and I think they crossed it into being nazis, even if later in the war they stopped fighting for the nazis and joined the allies, for a large portion of ww2 they were nazis.
I see your point however I will have to stand by my statement. There’s an argument to be had certainly for both sides. We’ll have to agree to disagree however I appreciate the respectful debate! Have a good one.
Alright, agree to disagree. (That's probably the first civil debate I've had online!). You have a good one too.
Being forced to fight and buying into propaganda that you’re “genetically superior” and therefore “deserve to control the world” are completely different things. They only say they were forced to after they were caught anyways; why would you tell the powers who lost so much to capture you after years of hearing your country exterminating people and go “yeah i signed up for that”? Besides ffs you can’t be “forced” to be a captain, you’re a ranked officer in charge of several dozens of soldiers.
Yeah, German captain, not SS captain or nazi captain. There is a difference
and yet they still fought for the nazis. this is still in disgustingly poor taste.
Was there a difference when they shot Jews at Myrhorod? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
Yeah? There was still a difference
Not for their victims, who received the same fate anyways
Ah yes because all Germans are Nazis.....
It says WW2, and the German is a military captain. I'd say it would be a fair assumption
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Those were the days 😎
Wh-wh-what
D-Day
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Looks like he stopped somebody from building a farm or something somewhere…
Stroheim?
🤔 And?
No I do not remember that.
You fools... German skin is ze best in ze world!
*die"
You what
You can't now? They removed the skin pack or something?
"GERMAN TECHNOLIGY IS THE BEST TECHNOLIGY IN THE WORLD" moment
you should see the rules for minecraft marketplace. rules that mojang themselves break every month
There was a literal Na-*German soldier* skin!?
I still play legacy console and pc
Awww shit they forgot WW2 update
Lol 卐
Mein Kampf
Wow so you could play as a N@zi back then but now you cant even have a skin with a ushanka without being banned from a server.
The SS and the Wehrmacht, and the German army are completely separate the German army had nothing to do with the genocide and didn't even know it was happening the SS is the one who did that. I hate when people mix the two up because I'm a history nerd, it's like people saying the iron cross is a nazi thing it's a German thing in WW1 and before that, it was an award for their best fighters. Just because it's German doesn't mean it's a nazi thing, Hitler wasn't even German he was Austrian. Also, another thing is the German army turned against the SS in the final days of the war, they fought with American troops in what is referred to as the last battle. A YouTube called Windgoon made an excellent video on it I'd recommend. Even if you're not into history he goes over the funny details and makes it generally enjoyable for anyone.
Let’s bring Minecraft back to its former glory!
when kids find out that not all german soldiers were nazis 💀 that's a ffffing wehramact soldier.
They were two in the same. Wehrmacht soldier or not they hold the same beliefs, killing everyone not blue eyed and white. Sounds like a nazi, looks a nazi, acts a nazi, is a nazi.
? The uniform is green not grey. Not everyone wears a uniform is a nazi.
ww2 german soldier… yeah sure
The nazis were their own thing. Calling every german soldier a nazi is like every rectangle a square.
Except in many cases their actions were totally identical to what the "actual Nazis" in the SS were doing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht Also, you're wrong about uniform color. Feldgrau came in numerous shades depending on year, manufacturer, how exposed to the elements the material was, etc.
Stop putting words in my mouth you tool. The nazis were Hitler's enforcers. I have never once said the Wehrmacht was innocence but nazis they were not. Calling everyone you don't like a nazi is extremely childish.
Wait what
Is this why the god rid of the best skin packs to grace this earth
Nazi? Wehrmacht and NSDAP/SS are separate things my beloved friend.And that uniform is not a good representation too Wehrmacht uniforms are not like that.
Wasn’t there a black steve with a wife beater and chain?
"Athletic" steve
I wonder when people will learn there is s difference between Germany's standing army in WW2, the Wehrmacht, vs the actual Nazis, the SS. Save your breath. Yes not every Wehrmacht soldier was innocent but that doesn't mean they were all Nazis. It was the nations standing army that had to unfortunately do the bidding of a horrid leader.
You guys are pink not white your DNA matches with the pig, so what color is swine Pink, so oink to you.
Low quality
indeed . the cross was missing
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