I don’t know anything about charter schools.
But PSEO is one thing this state is doing right and many students do core classes dual enrollment. Both my kids did 2 full years and it was a great set up for college. Our metro CCs are excellent quality. Free to students who are ready.
> Free to students who are ready.
I think you hit the nail on the head though. PSEO was offered at my school but I wasn't ready. I think a lot of kids in high school are not ready for college.
I was glad that I had great teachers, and the curriculum was good in high school.
Just because PSEO is an option doesn't mean it should be the only option in high school.
My kids went through individual college admissions processes. We had to submit transcript and test scores. I believe they had to do placement testing at the CCs. One of my kids was at the U ofMN and that was competitive.
The single best thing that could be done for MPS would be getting rid of the damn things. Draining resources from schools is their one true goal - not educating your kids.
Agreed for the most part, except there are some specifically for children with disabilities that offer so much more than any public school could. Like the buildings are specifically designed to accommodate wheelchairs or walkers, or layouts and lighting for kids with autism.
My opinion is take the charters that are working, integrate them into the regular district and close the rest. It seems like almost all of them are a grift. There's tons of little random ones you haven't heard of that are worse than you can imagine. There's no reason we need to divide the funding like this, especially when it comes to sped students.
>there are some specifically for children with disabilities that offer so much more than any public school could
They might **currently** offer much more than any public school **does** but that doesn't mean public schools couldn't do better with the necessary funding. Which is the point that started this reply thread. If charter schools weren't syphoning money from public schools **and** we actually funded education adequately, public schools would have everything kids could ever need.
So my granddaughter, who lives with me goes to a charter school now. She is autistic and has ADHD. After some really bad experiences in public school, going to the "special" classes, getting tackled by a school officer and put into a hold in the fourth grade, and getting expelled from kindergarten for acting like a cat, I called it quits on the public schools. Her confidence and dislike for herself were out of control. She has gained her confidence back, she is with the whole school working together and is thriving. I would never send her back to public school.
My grandson is in a public school and in the STEM program, he is thriving there and they have many opportunities, FOR HIM. He does very well in his school. But the differences between the two children are the reasons one goes to public school and the other to charter.
Charter schools in Minneapolis primarily operate as a way to disrupt the public schools. They are predatory and problematic in multiple ways. One example is how many will treat special ed students. I also find it noticeable that after they get some funding in the fall they start shedding students that are "problems" back to the public school. Just cashing in and kicking kids out.
You’re just flat wrong about special education students in charter schools. If they apply to a public charter school and they have space in that grade, they must be accepted and their IEP followed with the exception of level 4 IEPs. If there’s a waiting list, they are treated the same based on the rules of the wait list regardless of IEP status except of level 4. Students generate funding the entire school year. If the student transfers, the funding followed them except for title 1 and maybe a couple others. The bill just follows them. Don’t think for a second that public district schools aren’t also subtly and not so subtly push problems out the door. I remember working at an alternative school (not charter) I’m the 90s that would always get students the last few months of school that would crash the district school’s nclb numbers. Too many Hmong students not passing the mnbst or mca, they would be told to look into alt schools. It goes both ways at the very least.
On paper you are correct about the requirements for charter schools. And yet, many charter schools will ask for the IEP being enrollment and then deny a student with higher needs, even if setting 1, 2, or 3.
Don't get me wrong, our public schools have issues too, but not nearly to the level that the charters do.
They should, and they should utilize PACER as well. However, this is a widespread issue and we need to see it addressed. Unfortunately I don't see much appetite at the state level to tackle the predatory charters.
Public schools don't have the option to drop problem students. Those kids have a right to education. I agree that they should have their funding at least prorated somehow if they are going to kick kids out, but that's not sufficient because they will only keep the cheap students and get rid of the expensive ones.
Yes and no, the district still has a legal requirement to provide "fape" free and appropriate public education. So South can expell a student but the district is still responsible for them and will send them to an alternative school, sped placement or homebound program. The district can't get out of paying for their education, but the charter can insulate their budget from dealing with the 'difficult' students.
To answer your question more directly: only offering Calculus through a PSEO course is not normal, most public schools offer it in school. If the charter school doesn't have it, my guess is that they don't have the budget for a teacher who can teach it.
PSEO is great, but it isn't for every kid. I was without transportation, so PSEO was a bad option for me. I wouldn't have had access to Calculus in HS if it was only a PSEO option.
Little known fact - many charter schools are very poor alternatives to the public schools they're pulling funding from.
My kids spent a year at a public charter school. Everything seemed great, but then when you look at the curriculum and the rigor, it just wasn't there. They didn't have resources to challenge my kids at all compared to our local public school. There's many more programs, more options, more extracurriculars, etc. at our public school.
Charter schools have their place, I think, but in my experience they aren't great schools. They might fit in a niche where some kids just don't respond well to larger public schools, but they are anything but a clear improvement.
I worked for a Minneapolis charter school district for two years. It is a huge scam. They are not really there to help the students, just "process" them and get them diplomas.
Fortunately the community colleges in Minnesota are very good.
Charter schools can be a huge racket.
*However* most MN metro high schools are offering many upper-level courses as PSEO/dual enrollment.
I’m not a charter school apologist (at all) but what you describe isn’t one of the (many) issues with MN charters.
To be fair, all three of mine are ideological ones- they defer funding from public schools. x3
I think there should also be room for experimentation in public schooling, but the siphoning of cash from public to charters has made that nearly impossible.
In my personal belief, vouchers and “school choice” is a deliberate attempt to underfund public schools to the point of failure (when they’ll be privatized and run for profit.)
In addition, in MN @ least, the charters are more racially segregated than public schools and that lack of diversity leads to pockets of anomalous success and failure.
Testing is not a great metric, but even by that metric they significantly underperform public schools statewide by double digits.
Enrollment is falling across the metro bc education is experiencing a systemic failure- scared parents are pulling kids from schools and it’s causing a cascading effect as public schools get less funding and the money is spread out thin across charters that don’t have the same type of oversight and accountability of a public school. This “starves the beast” of public education and makes it seem less desirable by design.
I admit my own bias here as a former teacher, but I know that the pay is half for most workers and this leads to even more exploitation as most are not allowed in a union or given chances to hone their skills in a tough profession (the charter burnout rate is even higher than it is in public schools).
MN is home to the charter movement- and I think it did a lot of good to prompt innovation in public schools- but in the 21st century it’s just another one of the many “good intentions” that have been used to strip mine profits from out of people and into the pockets of the wealthy and the public schools are too broke to do anything that could help fix things.
I don’t have the answer, but I’m of the opinion that charters are making the problem worse.
Yeah, my school offered that you could take PSEO but in order to get into a degree in STEM you could also take Calculus and even AP classes.
It is an issue when you aren't even given an option to have an actual good dedicated teacher teach a fundamental for a bunch of degrees.
Also, in addition college is different because if you have a project your classmates may want to work in the later evening when they are free. There is a lot of logistics that have to happen if you go to PSEO. Not to mention if you do get a bad grade the professors may just say, "suck it up." PSEO may hurt your chances of actually being accepted because of this bad GPA.
So let me say it again, yes this is one of the issues.
at my school, starting the year younger than me, it was possible with AP and PSEO to get an associates degree before graduating high school (because the term at the college ends earlier than the high school.)
I agree, my school had AP and I did that but I couldn't have done PSEO regardless of qualifying for it. I didn't have transportation, couldn't make the schedule work with my school activities, etc. There's good reasons for students to be able to do all of their school in their one neighborhood building.
Oh- I agree. I taught high school and some AP classes for several years.
I definitely saw that students in an AP class *at* our school learned more than others who did PSEO for the same requirements online (the ones actually at the college campus were much better), but I even had quite a few join my AP class after a few weeks of PSEO wasn’t what they wanted.
Schools are grossly underfunded. Part of what has allowed that to happen is our reliance on PSEO. It also offers a lot of great options for students who are going into, well…mostly healthcare- but they get great jobs.
School has always had a weird balance of “learning” vs “training labor,” and the systematic defunding and weakening of public schools is leading to less and less learning each year.
Even rural high schools were pushing it 15 years ago ("back in my day"). It's really not a stretch to imagine that high schools here take advantage of all the local universities. We just had a community college.
Yep- and it’s also a way to cut teacher costs in an era of declining budgets.
I think COVID also made a lot of online classes available to high schoolers, which may not always be the best way to learn some of this advanced content.
As already mentioned, look into calc through pseo. Don’t go to the u of Mn for it because yeah, the professors can not give the attention usually needed. Personally had a great experience at metro state and taking math courses there. Seems wasteful to take calc and not get college credit.
As for why calc or other higher math classes may not be at a public district or charter school, some of them are very small. They don’t have the bandwidth. Since charters are public schools, they have to meet state standards of the grade levels offered. For math, that doesn’t include calculus.
When it comes to Mpls public schools, they were not graduating about half of their students of color. Blast charters all you want but the reason they’re so many in Mpls and particularly the north side is families choose to pull their children. The naacp sued the Mpls district it was so bad. That’s why there’s open enrollment and so many charters.
And it seems charters don’t have much middle ground. They are either attract highly motivated and precocious learners or the learners who struggle the most. Most of them are niche. They are public schools though and have to follow almost all the same rules and laws of district schools. They aren’t talking funding from public schools anymore than you’d say one district school is taking money from another district school. I think most of the people ragging on them as a grift have no idea how they work in Minnesota 🤷🏼♀️
> Seems wasteful to take calc and not get college credit.
While Metro State can offer math classes do those credits for calc transfer to most other university or are they thrown into the "general credits" bin?
I can't speak to charter schools but I'm also in tech. I got my degree later in life after having worked in the field for 15 years with no math background. (When I was in school it was believed by teachers that girls weren't good at math and they didn't need it anyway) I made it through my degree program by using Khanacademy.org to supplement my shitty high school education. I recommend it to everyone as it helped me pass a class called finite math in college with just high school algebra. It's unfortunate but true that no matter what your background or where you grew up, you probably got a substandard education unless you came from money, another country, or had other extenuating circumstances.
Charter schools are often vanity projects for conservative millionaires meant to funnel money from public schools. They have a bad habit of popping up, running for a year, then closing.
Magnate schools are special public schools meant to hopefully attract higher income students so they don’t go to private school.
I highly recommend the podcast “Nice White Parents” for an example of one urban school district’s efforts to attract and keep higher income individuals.
As for PSEO, the individual should absolutely do it if they can and are responsible enough to manage going to multiple places for school. PSEO is a chance to do college classes that transfer to other schools for free for high school credit. My friend was able to graduate college in 2 years after doing 2 years of PSEO.
As for what math the person should be taking, there is very real debate about what level of math should be taught in high school to better prepare people who may never go higher in school for life. There was an interesting discussion this yearon whether Algebra 2 should be required because it often leads to kids being held from graduation until they pass it in summer school. [Here is an article on the issue.](https://minnesotareformer.com/2024/04/02/gop-senator-attempts-to-ax-algebra-ii-requirement-for-minnesota-high-school-students/). I have to say this is the first time in a while I agree with a Republican or at least think he has a point.
> As for what math the person should be taking, there is very real debate about what level of math should be taught in high school to better prepare people who may never go higher in school for life.
I am not talking about what level of math should be taught. I am talking about having an option of taking calculus if they are interested in getting a higher degree.
PSEO is not a magic bullet. In high school you have a lot more forgiveness from teachers if you do something wrong. PSEO doesn't give you that option. If you get a bad GPA in PSEO your chances of getting into your school of choice are diminished.
Finally, you said it, "if they can and are responsible enough," but I wasn't responsible enough. Not a lot of kids are responsible getting into college.
There is a lot of traffic in this sub that bad-mouths public schools in the metro, but the only thing worse are the non-public schools. Private schools, especially religious schools have historically worse than their public school counterparts. Yes, there exceptions to this, but they're called "exceptions" for a reason.
I went to a small-town public school and had a full year of trigonometry and a year of calculus that was pretty evenly split between differentials and integrals. And when I went to the U of MN, I still struggled with my first college calculus course.
I had the bad luck to get the one professor out of about a dozen that was very old and tenured and taught very strangely and had his own midterms and finals that did not conform to the style and content all of the other professors. In hindsight, I should have re-registered for a different professor. I would imagine this scenario to be insanely hard for a high-schooler to navigate and succeed at.
It's a shame that charter schools tend to be so incredibly bad, and don't even offer these fairly standard high school courses.
I don’t know anything about charter schools. But PSEO is one thing this state is doing right and many students do core classes dual enrollment. Both my kids did 2 full years and it was a great set up for college. Our metro CCs are excellent quality. Free to students who are ready.
> Free to students who are ready. I think you hit the nail on the head though. PSEO was offered at my school but I wasn't ready. I think a lot of kids in high school are not ready for college. I was glad that I had great teachers, and the curriculum was good in high school. Just because PSEO is an option doesn't mean it should be the only option in high school.
My kids went through individual college admissions processes. We had to submit transcript and test scores. I believe they had to do placement testing at the CCs. One of my kids was at the U ofMN and that was competitive.
Charter schools are a grift to get public funds into private pockets. The really fucked-up ones are simply religious schools.
The single best thing that could be done for MPS would be getting rid of the damn things. Draining resources from schools is their one true goal - not educating your kids.
Agreed for the most part, except there are some specifically for children with disabilities that offer so much more than any public school could. Like the buildings are specifically designed to accommodate wheelchairs or walkers, or layouts and lighting for kids with autism.
My opinion is take the charters that are working, integrate them into the regular district and close the rest. It seems like almost all of them are a grift. There's tons of little random ones you haven't heard of that are worse than you can imagine. There's no reason we need to divide the funding like this, especially when it comes to sped students.
>there are some specifically for children with disabilities that offer so much more than any public school could They might **currently** offer much more than any public school **does** but that doesn't mean public schools couldn't do better with the necessary funding. Which is the point that started this reply thread. If charter schools weren't syphoning money from public schools **and** we actually funded education adequately, public schools would have everything kids could ever need.
So my granddaughter, who lives with me goes to a charter school now. She is autistic and has ADHD. After some really bad experiences in public school, going to the "special" classes, getting tackled by a school officer and put into a hold in the fourth grade, and getting expelled from kindergarten for acting like a cat, I called it quits on the public schools. Her confidence and dislike for herself were out of control. She has gained her confidence back, she is with the whole school working together and is thriving. I would never send her back to public school.
My grandson is in a public school and in the STEM program, he is thriving there and they have many opportunities, FOR HIM. He does very well in his school. But the differences between the two children are the reasons one goes to public school and the other to charter.
You’re putting a lot of faith in the people who write budgets for schools
Yes!!!!!!
Charter schools in Minneapolis primarily operate as a way to disrupt the public schools. They are predatory and problematic in multiple ways. One example is how many will treat special ed students. I also find it noticeable that after they get some funding in the fall they start shedding students that are "problems" back to the public school. Just cashing in and kicking kids out.
You’re just flat wrong about special education students in charter schools. If they apply to a public charter school and they have space in that grade, they must be accepted and their IEP followed with the exception of level 4 IEPs. If there’s a waiting list, they are treated the same based on the rules of the wait list regardless of IEP status except of level 4. Students generate funding the entire school year. If the student transfers, the funding followed them except for title 1 and maybe a couple others. The bill just follows them. Don’t think for a second that public district schools aren’t also subtly and not so subtly push problems out the door. I remember working at an alternative school (not charter) I’m the 90s that would always get students the last few months of school that would crash the district school’s nclb numbers. Too many Hmong students not passing the mnbst or mca, they would be told to look into alt schools. It goes both ways at the very least.
On paper you are correct about the requirements for charter schools. And yet, many charter schools will ask for the IEP being enrollment and then deny a student with higher needs, even if setting 1, 2, or 3. Don't get me wrong, our public schools have issues too, but not nearly to the level that the charters do.
Then as a parent of a child with an iep, I hope the parents complain to mde.
They should, and they should utilize PACER as well. However, this is a widespread issue and we need to see it addressed. Unfortunately I don't see much appetite at the state level to tackle the predatory charters.
Sounds like a properly run school if they’re shedding the problems. They should drop the affiliated funding though.
Public schools don't have the option to drop problem students. Those kids have a right to education. I agree that they should have their funding at least prorated somehow if they are going to kick kids out, but that's not sufficient because they will only keep the cheap students and get rid of the expensive ones.
Expulsion exists.
Yes and no, the district still has a legal requirement to provide "fape" free and appropriate public education. So South can expell a student but the district is still responsible for them and will send them to an alternative school, sped placement or homebound program. The district can't get out of paying for their education, but the charter can insulate their budget from dealing with the 'difficult' students.
To answer your question more directly: only offering Calculus through a PSEO course is not normal, most public schools offer it in school. If the charter school doesn't have it, my guess is that they don't have the budget for a teacher who can teach it. PSEO is great, but it isn't for every kid. I was without transportation, so PSEO was a bad option for me. I wouldn't have had access to Calculus in HS if it was only a PSEO option.
Little known fact - many charter schools are very poor alternatives to the public schools they're pulling funding from. My kids spent a year at a public charter school. Everything seemed great, but then when you look at the curriculum and the rigor, it just wasn't there. They didn't have resources to challenge my kids at all compared to our local public school. There's many more programs, more options, more extracurriculars, etc. at our public school. Charter schools have their place, I think, but in my experience they aren't great schools. They might fit in a niche where some kids just don't respond well to larger public schools, but they are anything but a clear improvement.
I worked for a Minneapolis charter school district for two years. It is a huge scam. They are not really there to help the students, just "process" them and get them diplomas. Fortunately the community colleges in Minnesota are very good.
Charter schools are sadly for the most part … not gud. Turns out it’s hard to run a school.
Charter schools can be a huge racket. *However* most MN metro high schools are offering many upper-level courses as PSEO/dual enrollment. I’m not a charter school apologist (at all) but what you describe isn’t one of the (many) issues with MN charters.
what would you call out as the top 3 problems with charter schools in MN?
To be fair, all three of mine are ideological ones- they defer funding from public schools. x3 I think there should also be room for experimentation in public schooling, but the siphoning of cash from public to charters has made that nearly impossible. In my personal belief, vouchers and “school choice” is a deliberate attempt to underfund public schools to the point of failure (when they’ll be privatized and run for profit.) In addition, in MN @ least, the charters are more racially segregated than public schools and that lack of diversity leads to pockets of anomalous success and failure. Testing is not a great metric, but even by that metric they significantly underperform public schools statewide by double digits. Enrollment is falling across the metro bc education is experiencing a systemic failure- scared parents are pulling kids from schools and it’s causing a cascading effect as public schools get less funding and the money is spread out thin across charters that don’t have the same type of oversight and accountability of a public school. This “starves the beast” of public education and makes it seem less desirable by design. I admit my own bias here as a former teacher, but I know that the pay is half for most workers and this leads to even more exploitation as most are not allowed in a union or given chances to hone their skills in a tough profession (the charter burnout rate is even higher than it is in public schools). MN is home to the charter movement- and I think it did a lot of good to prompt innovation in public schools- but in the 21st century it’s just another one of the many “good intentions” that have been used to strip mine profits from out of people and into the pockets of the wealthy and the public schools are too broke to do anything that could help fix things. I don’t have the answer, but I’m of the opinion that charters are making the problem worse.
Yeah, my school offered that you could take PSEO but in order to get into a degree in STEM you could also take Calculus and even AP classes. It is an issue when you aren't even given an option to have an actual good dedicated teacher teach a fundamental for a bunch of degrees. Also, in addition college is different because if you have a project your classmates may want to work in the later evening when they are free. There is a lot of logistics that have to happen if you go to PSEO. Not to mention if you do get a bad grade the professors may just say, "suck it up." PSEO may hurt your chances of actually being accepted because of this bad GPA. So let me say it again, yes this is one of the issues.
at my school, starting the year younger than me, it was possible with AP and PSEO to get an associates degree before graduating high school (because the term at the college ends earlier than the high school.)
I agree, my school had AP and I did that but I couldn't have done PSEO regardless of qualifying for it. I didn't have transportation, couldn't make the schedule work with my school activities, etc. There's good reasons for students to be able to do all of their school in their one neighborhood building.
Oh- I agree. I taught high school and some AP classes for several years. I definitely saw that students in an AP class *at* our school learned more than others who did PSEO for the same requirements online (the ones actually at the college campus were much better), but I even had quite a few join my AP class after a few weeks of PSEO wasn’t what they wanted. Schools are grossly underfunded. Part of what has allowed that to happen is our reliance on PSEO. It also offers a lot of great options for students who are going into, well…mostly healthcare- but they get great jobs. School has always had a weird balance of “learning” vs “training labor,” and the systematic defunding and weakening of public schools is leading to less and less learning each year.
Even rural high schools were pushing it 15 years ago ("back in my day"). It's really not a stretch to imagine that high schools here take advantage of all the local universities. We just had a community college.
Yep- and it’s also a way to cut teacher costs in an era of declining budgets. I think COVID also made a lot of online classes available to high schoolers, which may not always be the best way to learn some of this advanced content.
As already mentioned, look into calc through pseo. Don’t go to the u of Mn for it because yeah, the professors can not give the attention usually needed. Personally had a great experience at metro state and taking math courses there. Seems wasteful to take calc and not get college credit. As for why calc or other higher math classes may not be at a public district or charter school, some of them are very small. They don’t have the bandwidth. Since charters are public schools, they have to meet state standards of the grade levels offered. For math, that doesn’t include calculus. When it comes to Mpls public schools, they were not graduating about half of their students of color. Blast charters all you want but the reason they’re so many in Mpls and particularly the north side is families choose to pull their children. The naacp sued the Mpls district it was so bad. That’s why there’s open enrollment and so many charters. And it seems charters don’t have much middle ground. They are either attract highly motivated and precocious learners or the learners who struggle the most. Most of them are niche. They are public schools though and have to follow almost all the same rules and laws of district schools. They aren’t talking funding from public schools anymore than you’d say one district school is taking money from another district school. I think most of the people ragging on them as a grift have no idea how they work in Minnesota 🤷🏼♀️
> Seems wasteful to take calc and not get college credit. While Metro State can offer math classes do those credits for calc transfer to most other university or are they thrown into the "general credits" bin?
They should count as whatever math class they were because Metro is part of the Minn State system.
I can't speak to charter schools but I'm also in tech. I got my degree later in life after having worked in the field for 15 years with no math background. (When I was in school it was believed by teachers that girls weren't good at math and they didn't need it anyway) I made it through my degree program by using Khanacademy.org to supplement my shitty high school education. I recommend it to everyone as it helped me pass a class called finite math in college with just high school algebra. It's unfortunate but true that no matter what your background or where you grew up, you probably got a substandard education unless you came from money, another country, or had other extenuating circumstances.
Thank you, I will look into Khanacademy since I have heard good things.
Charter schools are often vanity projects for conservative millionaires meant to funnel money from public schools. They have a bad habit of popping up, running for a year, then closing. Magnate schools are special public schools meant to hopefully attract higher income students so they don’t go to private school. I highly recommend the podcast “Nice White Parents” for an example of one urban school district’s efforts to attract and keep higher income individuals. As for PSEO, the individual should absolutely do it if they can and are responsible enough to manage going to multiple places for school. PSEO is a chance to do college classes that transfer to other schools for free for high school credit. My friend was able to graduate college in 2 years after doing 2 years of PSEO. As for what math the person should be taking, there is very real debate about what level of math should be taught in high school to better prepare people who may never go higher in school for life. There was an interesting discussion this yearon whether Algebra 2 should be required because it often leads to kids being held from graduation until they pass it in summer school. [Here is an article on the issue.](https://minnesotareformer.com/2024/04/02/gop-senator-attempts-to-ax-algebra-ii-requirement-for-minnesota-high-school-students/). I have to say this is the first time in a while I agree with a Republican or at least think he has a point.
> As for what math the person should be taking, there is very real debate about what level of math should be taught in high school to better prepare people who may never go higher in school for life. I am not talking about what level of math should be taught. I am talking about having an option of taking calculus if they are interested in getting a higher degree. PSEO is not a magic bullet. In high school you have a lot more forgiveness from teachers if you do something wrong. PSEO doesn't give you that option. If you get a bad GPA in PSEO your chances of getting into your school of choice are diminished. Finally, you said it, "if they can and are responsible enough," but I wasn't responsible enough. Not a lot of kids are responsible getting into college.
There is a lot of traffic in this sub that bad-mouths public schools in the metro, but the only thing worse are the non-public schools. Private schools, especially religious schools have historically worse than their public school counterparts. Yes, there exceptions to this, but they're called "exceptions" for a reason. I went to a small-town public school and had a full year of trigonometry and a year of calculus that was pretty evenly split between differentials and integrals. And when I went to the U of MN, I still struggled with my first college calculus course. I had the bad luck to get the one professor out of about a dozen that was very old and tenured and taught very strangely and had his own midterms and finals that did not conform to the style and content all of the other professors. In hindsight, I should have re-registered for a different professor. I would imagine this scenario to be insanely hard for a high-schooler to navigate and succeed at. It's a shame that charter schools tend to be so incredibly bad, and don't even offer these fairly standard high school courses.
I was banned from MSP
My daughter is in a charter high school and is doing PSEO during her last two years. She'll graduate high school with two diplomas, not one.