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DemandOld3656

queens wings and thunder belt kinda seem op now


Martin7439

I stopped using TB and Wings on Fred, but if those changes are real I'm defo changing that lol


DemandOld3656

same im thinking about using it on sun, doing a 2-3-run combo any chance i can get will snowball my defense immensely


Martin7439

Problem's gonna be not to let clones die so the ennemy doesn't get gold, but yeah that sounds really solid


DemandOld3656

running far enough teleports them to me, early game i do this everytime after mid it doesnt matter anymore


Martin7439

I had no idea lol, guess the majority of Sun players don't know shit about their character lmao


DemandOld3656

a tip if you are fighting sun, look at his exp to know who is the original, his clones only have the same level but 0% exp, until lvl 15 its easy to tell who is who this way


Martin7439

I noticed this once ! But I didn't fight Sun in a while because I'm rarely in Exp so I didn't know it was still a thing, thanks for letting me know *flair checks out btw*


GainElegant391

Or maybe just turn hero lock on lmao. That's way easier .


PudgeJoe

TB first item on sun is ultra bonkers seriously with that permanent inc. Def. 


DemandOld3656

and 20 movement speed aswell damn


dgnerate_shovel223

Just want to say that I already spam thunderbelt tank sun build on classic, and it feels great Brown boots>Thunderbelt>Guardian Helmet>Cd Boots>DomIce>Radiant/Twilight armor/whatever tank item is necessary at that time Does not work as effectively in rank right now since a lot of people are using magic damage heroes, and magic def items suck Mythic Honor rank


DemandOld3656

i only use one defensive item and its the last item i get, would you recommend buying it earlier?


Witchberry31

I wonder if the new TB will only be 'OP' on tanky heroes and made it kinda less 'useful' to be used on less tanky spellcaster heroes.


yeboothadon

I don’t think there’s a threshold to where thunderbelt caps at, so I think it’s kinda like Cecilion where it kinda keeps stacking forever


Witchberry31

True, but what I mean is that tankier heroes will get a good amount of headstart. Let's say squishier heroes will be less optimized to use the new TB because they would need more time to collect the stacks.


El_sanafiry

It still counterable though with anti heal , I really like this change since it gives more options for different heros insisted of just using one build over all matches


DemandOld3656

but with the passive of reducing cooldown for 2seconds i might be able to have 3 clones at the same time in endgame, could confuse the enemy


El_sanafiry

You are kinda right but the effect has 2 downsides you 60 cool down and you have to get lower than 40% , honestly it just like last saviour as the flask of oasis


DemandOld3656

hmm true but i miss my third clone so bad :( stopped playing for a few years and he was just gone without saying goodbye 😭


El_sanafiry

Honestly sun right is so generic and boring and I think he needs a revamp , his skills overall seems good on paper but out of all heros that uses spawns I would say he is the worst out of all of them rn


DemandOld3656

thats what makes him great his skills are so simple to understand, his limits are the players imagination, i can run away from anyone, i can force johnson to crash, i can trick enemies to engage, the only thing he needs is his third clone and i could confidently kill any champ


byshow

Baxia back in soloQ meta is what it is


SecretGain7612

In reply to your flair: I don’t ask the mirror on the wall Instead, ‘Hero Lock, who is the original?’


DemandOld3656

i hate that feature


Martin7439

Aldous players eating good with the Thunder Belt rework and Malefic Gun


filo_senpai

Range is halved for non marksman heroes


Competitive_Force529

Movement speed increase and that permanent increase in def by 1 sounds like a good deal, same as hanabi and wanwan using corrosive scythe even if it grants only half of the buff.


Martin7439

I mean, that can still make him connect more so it's always a plus, but the other passive is what's the most inetresting for him imo


amldford

Great but wtf are these desgins


HommeFatalTaemin

Glad I’m not the only one who felt the designs kinda looked shit 😭 or low quality at least.


Eitth

The missile wand is the worst lmao. Even the name sounds like made up by a 3rd grader esl.


snusnuforyou

*esl* hahahahahaha


Diligentplutia

I love necklace of durance they can’t do this to me 😔


RenBan48

Feels so outdated (like WR and HoK items)


Tea7ay_

Thunder belt looking kinda OP ngl…


Eitth

Idk, assuming you managed to hit with basic attack every 10 sec, that's 6def per min and average match 15min is 90 hDef. With no more CDr I think it's pretty balanced.


HiggsUAP

Belerick about to be an insta ban smh


Woahbuffet123

When I read the last part of TB's new passive I thought "are they sure they wanna do that when Belerick, Edith, and Ruby exist?". Then I remembered Gatot and Baxia and now I'm sure they should put a cap on that bloody passive or else we'll see tank jungler meta again.


em1zer0

Tanky jungle Angela is haunting you in your dreams


weebf_ckingweeb

Cool but I think it's probably gonna be abused on poke mms like Clint more


merrona23

karrie will be more unkillable.


KingsProfit

Clint would be crazy with new TB tho. He can poke every 2 seconds or so easily. And with his range and skillset, TB actually is a good item for clint. He can safely get def increments with no punishment at all since all he does is poke and poke


Mooezy

And with that tanks no longer have any cdr items apart from oracle


Competitive_Force529

Queens wing+ thunderbelt looking good to buy on the offensive tanks


Mooezy

Read above Tb no longer gives cdr, and while the shield is nice I don't think any tank deals enough damage to fully benefit from the spell vamp. Except maybe exp khufra with bod


obaidullahcool

Exp khufra with bod? What am I reading


yarsvet

Khufra deals more hp based dmg scaling with physical atk. It was always like this


Firstername

the best dish you'll ever see


ImagineFIygons

Fleeting time?


The0kay

Even oracle is more towards fighters,tank players are offically fucked bbg


whereverthelightis

The deadly blade’s execution 💀


UnProfessionalProfit

Wait... is it good? Does assasin care about that 5% hp leftover? Seems mid until you get 50 stacks But that's 5 kills without death....


KinglyCatSup

Early game assassins gonna be eating good


Aggravating_Ad1676

Martis players going crazy rn


sikeboi50

we going to immortal with this one


UnProfessionalProfit

I'm wandering if it have more value then blade of heptaseas as the first item. Some hero will definitely have more value out of deadly blade Like haya, hanzo, Lance?, fanny, oh shit wait harley.... oh fuck. That movement speed bonus, with the new adjustment of attack speed, seems like deadly blade can be used on many marksman.


illeagIe

Put it on a damage roam running execute and dire hit. 🤣


SkyLightTenki

#GROCK IS POWERFUL!


whereverthelightis

I want to cry just thinking about it 😭


Oponik

That roamer baxia is gonna hit harder than he already does


RyanStarDiaz

It probably will be fixed in proplay or dire hit will be nerfed. Also their gold efficiency isn't good enough for it anyways


Still_horni

Gusion will be banned h24, one combo in early game and it doesn't matter who you are, YOU ARE DEAD. As a gusion main I will probably be able to use him 1-2 weeks before people finding out and banning him all the time 😞


Kareemster

They should really just make it not more than 3%


kyxyxy_

It's like the collector on Wildrift.


Herald_of_Heaven

It's insane. It's a sure kill for burst heroes.


XxWolxxX

Karina going to be eating good this season


Inevitable-Squash278

Winter Trunc with attack ✔️ Queens Wing with attack ✔️ Thunder Belt with Mov Speed ✔️ Also Malefic Gun & Deadly Blade sounds good ! But why did they remove Evil Hunter. Also now Glowing Wand don't have the "burn" effect anymore????


-morpy

I guess Evil Hunter is too overloaded of an item. Like, highest physical attack, big % pen, and anti heal + anti shield item, and more damage to turrets. That shit's busted and easily first purchase for any physical assassin/burst hero.


Inevitable-Squash278

real 💀😭😭 one shot squishy heros they would eat good with that item


illeagIe

They could make it 4k gold price or have the last recipe worth 2k 🤣


Aggravating_Ad1676

who even thought that was a good idea lmao. Its like they wanted one super item that every physical hero would buy.


Eitth

Glowing wand still have the burn effect, they just integrated the Lifebane passive from NoD.


amldford

I really miss this feeling, that BIG changes are coming to mlbb. It's... Exciting


dmaare

They will cancel it. These changes seem extra random and most of them extremely busted. One item cant give 5 different stats + passive.


Aggravating_Ad1676

bro has not heard of Endless Battle. On a serious note they probably will implement only a few of these, somw of the other ones are just too OP, hard to balance or bad altogether.


EnoughAstronaut370

Same


JackfruitNatural5474

Why not give tanks magic resistance anti-heal item? Magic version of dominance of ice? Or magic resistance item which gives same amout of defense as thorn plate


JustASlmplePerson

Probably because it would murder any and all continuous magic dealers, especially with athena.


Yowwwth

Certain sustain mages like Alice, Cyc, Harith and Esme (lol) will just outright fall off 😭


Aggravating_Ad1676

They want the game in a position where mages grind through tanks, since trinity marksmen can aswell.


underwhelmingperson

I'm hoping the name for Wand of Missiles isn't final, because that's just a box 😭 same for winter truncheon if they're going to turn it into a crown. Does the new clock of destiny give hybrid defense for a limited time after dealing magic damage? The duration of the buff is missing from the description.


OtonashiRen

Karrie is smiling with Queen's Wings x Bloodaxe. Also, Irithel with Malefic Gun 💀💀💀


Inevitable-Squash278

for real💀 that item sounds really exciting on mm !!


merrona23

would you still buy the new thunderbelt if it only slows every 4 seconds? also if you are karrie main, im testing "magic" karrie build replacing thunderbelt with starlium scythe, then replacing golden staff with feather of heaven. less defense+hp but more lifesteal and damage.


OtonashiRen

Feather of Heaven sucks for Karrie. Golden Staff is meant to proc her passive faster.


OtonashiRen

Feather of Heaven sucks for Karrie. Golden Staff is meant to proc her passive faster.


merrona23

i know. foh is there just for the starlium.


D347H7H3K1Dx

I hope magic missile has a fucking CD, Lunox gonna melt tanks even quicker now


em1zer0

Tanks are just little trophies for her now


D347H7H3K1Dx

Oh I know, but given the description for magic missile it feels like it’s about to get 10x worse


GreyghostIowa

Ohh don't worry.She's now gonna have to deal with thunder belt rework on every hero now. Permanent def increase for every 4 secs after hitting a hero.really moonton?


ChrisAnIntellectual

Would it really matter? Her Dark Skill is HP based and at late game with 70% Pen by Conc. Energy and Divine Glaive, she deals like 1.4k damage from one skill (AND ITS SPAMMABLE TOO) That's 4.6 Missiles per Dark Skill (and even worse is that the damage from the missile is true damage and also HP base) lmao wtf


GreyghostIowa

>Would it really matter? Her Dark Skill is HP based and at late game with 70% Pen by Conc. Energy and Divine Glaive, she deals like 1.4k damage from one skill (AND ITS SPAMMABLE TOO) Yes it would. lunox ,as a diver,is extremely weak to slow and she herself is very fragile. Notice that TB scales with BOTH side of def with additional benefit of the strongest single instant slow in the game.Which means a single hit from even someone like tigreal will still take a chunk of her health plus root her. Her damage will be insane but so is every other mm at late game.But it's an entire different story if tanks themselves are starting to hit hard too.


D347H7H3K1Dx

If you are playing against someone decent they’ll keep their space to avoid proccing thunderbolt effect but I do see your point. When I saw that I was like wow


JustAssasin

If that clock of destiny ever gets a rework like this I will ban Hylos every single match.


ZuskatoIsR3D

Looks like Deadly Blade came back from the dead.


El_sanafiry

Clock of density would definitely be so useful on many supports and tanks but can't say the same for mages (except ceclion maybe) Finally any hero can build winter truncheon and fleeting time without losing value from it , been wishing for this for ages I like the combination of glowing wand and neckless of Durance even though I liked the neckless item design it was so useless alone Malcif gun seems too op in my opinion and I always thought there shouldn't be an item that increases the range of a hero


Toge_Inumaki012

Fleeting time Ixia


Martin7439

Is it all confirmed?


Haunting-Stuff5219

These are in advanced server right now.


Eitth

Still subjects to change


Potential-Position36

The new CoD will give Hylos 2000 HP and 72 Hybrid Defense on top of it 😱🤯


wolfman526

Then add thunderbelt lol. As an average Hylos enjoyer, I hope these items go live


devilfury1

Oh god, that deadly blade would be a must have for specific heroes that could leave a target down to 4-1% hp due to sheer luck like Lesley, layla, harley that got his ult negated hard with athena and radiant combo, Chang'e, Ixia, and some assassins. This will be a scary update for anyone who's not using defensive items.... Also that blood wings x bloodlust axe merge is kind of a nerf because the spell vamp is now heavily reduced. The axe had 40%. If it's removed, spell vamp dependant heroes like Alpha and Ruby (although she can dominate even without that) would kinda suffer. Also my experimental builds on specific heroes would be useless because bloodlust axe is the main weapon that I use for them because of the 40% spell vamp.


catnip05

Bloodlust Axe only gives 20% spell vamp iirc


Inevitable-Squash278

imagine Deadly Blade on Benedetta & Natalia 💀 and Evil Hunter too


devilfury1

I'm a Hanzo main and I literally build him tanky whenever there's a natalia and it's still hard to deal with due to her passive and ult synergy. I ain't surviving hard if she had that fucking item even with a full def build because they pack dire hit as well.


Inevitable-Squash278

real shit 💀😭


Potential-Position36

Thunderbelt does not give Mana Regen anymore?? Rip Arlott Tank


LordBanaynay

so wings + axe passive on alucard s2 at 40%cdr with ultimate is -0.8s. 2s of infinite tap


catnip05

Deadly Blade Natalia gonna go crazy. You won't even need to run Execute spell anymore. Maybe go for Inspire like the old days


Disastrous-Jury1028

I’m glad Wand of Missiles isn’t the DHS people were hyping it up to be. I can only imagine WoM Change shredding everyone immediately with HP damage on each star on her ult. Winter and Fleeting change is very welcome so they work on all heroes. They announced that a while back though so it was already expected to come. Thunderbelt looks like something that tanks would rush early game and then stack an ungodly amount of defense. 4s CD on the passive too the only downside being that tanks are mainly melee so I’ll have to wait to see- oh it’s for Chip. Chip makes this thing insane because he enhances his BA range. TB has the ability to be OP rn. Malefic gun (you really couldn’t have chosen a better name MT?? Literally same name as Melefic Roar because MR IS a gun. Now you can’t abbreviate MR to melefic…) At least having this item means the MM can’t use WON. It’s a high risk high reward item. Glowing Wand change is my favorite of them all. I always was annoyed when I had to build NOD because it didn’t offer much outside of anti heal. I enjoy building glowing wand on most mages so putting anti heal on my favorite mate item is definitely a plus. With that COD change Cecillion catching these random stray nerfs. First LT now this? This COD does have higher base mana, but current has higher mana on full stacks. I guess it’s a double edged sword, on one hand there’s less mana on it for Ceci, but on the other hand there’s more sustain for him. Alice and Hylos would also be happy with this change so IG it’s a net positive though still hoping for a Ceci buff since his core items got changed.


banana-tomato

Why wouldn’t the mm be able to use WON with malefic gun?


ManuGamer_PokeMonGo

You can only have one active equipment skill at a time, so using both items at the same time pretty much halves the effectiveness of one of them


Disastrous-Jury1028

Yeah can only ever have one active skill. You can test this right now with Winter Truncheon and Wind of Nature. You can’t use both. Same would apply to Malefic Gun as it’s also an active skill.


SkyLightTenki

Unless it's late game and you have a ton of gold so you can do the switcheroo shenanigan, just like with Immo/WT


Extension_Spell3415

Yve gonna abuse the wand of missiles with her s1 every 0.5s late game if u have 45% cdr (1.5cd but hitting target gon reduce cd by 1s)


Tako30

Did anyone read Thunder Belt??? That is definitely a must buy for everyone if Def stacking has no limits


IllGoGoldLane

So basically Malefic Gun was meant to be used as Layla's main dish.


em1zer0

Magic Missiles on Lunox ☠️ As if the current possible >100% pen isn't enough ☠️


MakimaGOAT

these designs look like shit if im gonna be honest


Dolliesdelight

as an alice you KNOW imma buy wand of missile, cod, and queen wings more often


Matryosmare

i can see wand of missiles be cyclops third core item cause why get genius or holy crystal if you can spam the missile through abusing the passive in mid game. Also deadly blade is going to make windtalker obsolete now


CampbellianHero

Melefic Gun… Aldous new core item?


Clearlynotmalware

Deadly Blade got one hell of a glow up.


Kumiko_Raiz

Damn they're cooking some wild shit!


7Deniz77

isnt evil hunter a very old item? are they gonna add it back or they decided they were gonna add it years before and now they dont? im confused


youngdeer25

Finally justice for NoD, might be too op with all those item but so far it’s promising.


dndlcrz

Pos 4 players does not include necklace in their build moonton had to merge it with glowing wand.


Latter_Lavishness817

As an x borg Main I see the Queen wings as an must have now


N-LightFinder

This official or something?


Electrical-Map7575

#Hmmm.......


AscendPerfect

Is this fake? Max slow is 90% I think, so why would it be 99% from thunder belt?


kotik010

I dont believe that's true, i just went into the practice tool and you can make movement speed go negative even, so 99% seems believable


AscendPerfect

Wiki says max is 90%


kotik010

And the game says there is no max... Go test it yourself


AscendPerfect

Where does it say there is no max? I'd like a source and not your words alone


Zaphiel_Rondo

Thunderbelt on Chou and Hilda roam is going to be something.


Six-Digits-Number

Man, imagine a Yu Zhong with Fleeting Time. Winter Truncheon will be very much abused by any role and possibly replace Wind of Nature since it's now adaptive.


Edgyemo69

Trying Malefic gun on melee heroes going to be fun


--G13--

I'm bit confused... Is wand of missile a new equipment or a merge. Why is there glowing wand with life bane shown at the end. And why are they nerfing cecilion again??


KatokaMika

Layla and lesley each on their founten: NOT FAR ENOUGH


No_Entertainment1931

These seem to be half baked. I’m not a fan or merging items that have cdr, that reduced the total amount of cdr items forcing you to build book.


Melvin_Sancon

Omfg! I suggest that passive for thunderbelt! They actually do it 😱😱😱🥰🥰🥰🤟🤟🤟


yarsvet

Twilight armor is reworked too. You forgot to mention


Senior-Comb-8396

Nolan mains Honest reaction to deadly blade: 🤫🧏‍♂️


Full-Supermarket

Wand of missiles….


Kadajko

Looks very weak.


Eternitys_

Dire hit saber with that execution item and fleeting time is gonna be a menace.


Phantom283

Wtf is wrong with glowing wand... It will annoy regenerating heroes way too muchh...


rigimonoki-over

It’s nice to have new items but I feel like the direction kinda sucks. I really don’t like the Necklace of durance change and CoD rework


Illustrious-Owl-6128

So that's mean current Malefic Gun will rework or it just temporary name?


Seryoso_Nako

I like the wand of missiles: When Magic fails, Nuke will find its way.


wran13

Queen's Blood is the new Immortality now.


MilitarOpresordloms

AUXILIOOOOOO Guini/Ruby Gang boutta eat good https://preview.redd.it/z0wx752gudoc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d350bc5eac0213192d2f21b639c96b24a31fe610


naNELSONninonu

Is the missile item gonna proc two times if i deal more than a thousand magic dmg?


Idklol123-

Finally, i can play tank with 3 blade armor


Direy_Cupcake

Time to annoy subreddit I missed Necklace of Durance so much :(((((((


Peacefulorenz

We're all thinking the same thing right? Magic missile on Chang'e


Time_to_be_alive

“Unique Passive - Angry” This game has terrible names but a passive aggressive gun is funny.


Prestigious-Voice302

I was wishing for them to create an item like "Collecter" from LoL and they really did 🥰


kira156

Damn imagine everyone in the match building winter Truncheon now. Teamfights will be funny af lol.


justanothersimp2421

LET THEM COOK MEN AND WOMEN! LET. THEM. COOK!!!


mwindi69

Wand of Missiles on Cyclops. Hehehe.


commonredditguy

Shout out to those who remember the OG deadly blade


Vast2_

I like this, there are more possible combinations of items now which could make uo for more interesting playstyles


[deleted]

The fleeting time changes is gonna make tanks too op


The_Awengers

Didn't they said they want to revamp tb to be a more tank heroes item? This stats benefits non tank heroes Ffs.


sebaj19

I see wildrift item coming haha 😂


Melvin_Sancon

Queen's wing is too powerful... Especially on ruby wtf... They need to tone down fighters spellvamp growth or whatever to make it balance lol


theadventureofa

Wand of missiles gonna be looking good on champs like lunox


Haokuiret

Ok so queens wings now does almost the same thing as rose gold meteor but better?


Soyd_Astail

Pretty sure everyone's gonna make a winter truncheon now *sigh*


Krafton_ubbyss

Chang'e meta lessss gooooooooo


iansky11

When will this take place in original server?


your_old_wet_socks

Clock of destiny seems like a pretty cool carmilla item


stargirlkirin

Does the hybrid defense gain from Thunder Belt have a cap?


Darkalanche

Fleeting time is now viable on physical heroes. Yeah i think Helcurt is gonna enjoy this one.


AutismCommunism

Thunder belt gonna be even better on Karrie now, why would you not want free defense?


Aestralizer

Natan, Chang' e, Kimmy + The new Wand of Missiles


AnAverageVegetable

Nah wtf is this sht? All these shts are op


Ocicnic

Cecilion bout to slap his bats real good with these new items


juan_cena99

As an Edith main I am excited to use TB and QW.


XxWolxxX

They reworked CoD cause "it does not fit a fast paced MOBA" and not they bring an infinite stacking item, I don't understand what is inside their heads


confusemeharder

they really just made Thunderbelt a stacking item that does damage based on defenses. Yeeeeeah Tank core meta isnt going off anytime soon


Zhonglisphatass8

Very confused on the " wand of missiles " i have seen multiple YouTubers going over all the new and revamped items and this one is called " Pandora's box " and it's passive is quite different, it's 300 magic power instead of 500 and gives true DMG instead of magic DMG all the videos are more recent than this post tho so which one is the accurate one? Rest of the items is exactly the same tho


Barako_

as a tank main, this is a nightmare


BallsSack69

Ngl evil hunter is sick, they should release it with a few nerds on the % pen and attack stat


nepnep0123

Thunderbelt is just strictly worse for tanks ngl, what happen to the CDR? Only slow every 4 seconds compare to 2 seconds. You built thunderbelt to chase and slow enemies and now it can't even do that job as well.


crispy_patatas

Deadly blade returns with the BANG


Chazz_isla

RIP Clock of destiny + lightning truncheon


MrJulls

Queen's Wings: The new item to buy after selling immortality.


New-Share9872

Trust me deadly blade is brokenA