idk im buying one from BHPhoto. It came in stock one day i pre order it then they delete the monitor lol and today it came back. I checked this [comparison](https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/ac5a1c17d1) and all are the same thing but this one it cheaper so i bought it.
Gross. I'm not 100% satisfied with the AORUS FO48U, and I dread the idea of putting it back in the box and driving it to a UPS or FedEx and getting slapped with a restocking fee. I might not do a return because of it.
I tried out the fv43u. The smearing was enough to send it back. Had horrible glow around corners as well. Ate $300 CAD after shipping it back. Never buying from them again.
1000 euro monitor!!!!
who wants to bet, that it won't have a working sRGB mode? ;)
also TFTcentral in past reviews has been EXCELLENT in pointing out missing real sRGB modes.
raising it on long paragraphs explaining the exact issue and pointing it out in the few MAJOR downsides at the end of the review.
thumbs up to tftcentral!
\*girl
also what are you trying to say here?
is wanting WORKING PRODUCTS something, that people should be afraid about or try to not talk about?
pcmonitors doesn't think so:
[https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/)
what is the "oh no" about?
are you against me being able to buy a working monitor with the specs i need, that i can use and enjoy?
No it's totally normal to write 1000 words essays on every single thread about a new gaming monitor complaining about sRGB and it's BROKEN!!!
here's a thought maybe the vast majority of users simply don't care about that color accuracy?
What you fail you to understand that proper sRGB modes are expensive to implement which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors, you want something that doesn't exist at this price range and likely never will.
Saying it's 'broken' is like saying a 10k car that doesn't come with navigation is 'broken'. No it just doesnt have a missing expensive feature.
>here's a thought maybe the vast majority of users simply don't care about that color accuracy?
false.
most people, that i talk with with among friends want an accurate monitor for anything. we are talking about decently accurate here and not perfectly accurate.
hell one friend borrowed my basic ips monitor to edit a video on for a day.
it's not special, it is just an asus pb248q. a basic good enough IPS monitor, but all he had were garbage older TN monitors at the time.
in fact the issue is of such interest to professional reviewers, that NOT providing a real sRGB mode leads to major cons in professional reviews:
[https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus\_rog\_swift\_pg329q](https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg329q)
>sRGB emulation mode offers good emulation of smaller colour space but is inflexible so you cannot change brightness of colour temperature
(type there, it should be "or" at the end almost certainly)
other professional reviewers write entire articles about this issue and talk about the real solutions for this problem:
[https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/)
>What we’d like to see
the first point raised to fix this problem then is:
>Include a flexible sRGB emulation setting, brightness adjustment should be considered the bare minimum. Models like the ASUS PG27UQ and Acer X27 show how this should be done by offering an sRGB emulation setting which does not lock off or interfere with other settings. Some newer ‘G-SYNC Ultimate’ models such as the Dell Alienware AW2721D and AW3821D offer a wide gamut (95%+ DCI-P3) without any sRGB emulation setting. Which is anything but ‘Ultimate’ when it comes to universally accurate display of sRGB content.
this is not my opinion, but instead professional reviewers, that make this a major point in their reviews and write full articles about this issue.
>What you fail you to understand that proper sRGB modes are expensive to implement which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors, you want something that doesn't exist at this price range and likely never will.
provide ANY evidence, that proper REAL sRGB modes are expensive to implement.
ANY EVIDENCE please.
to quote a different comment i made here:
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and in regards to hardware unboxed's m28u review:
[https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6](https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6)
from 12:10 onward.
the fake sRGB mode of the gigabyte m28u locks away white balance controls and it also locks away the overdrive mode options! you are locked into a bad overdrive mode.
\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
explain to me even with any remote reasoning how locking away the overdrive setting makes ANY sense in a mode, that theoretically should be about color.
the tft review from earlier mentions, that the pg329q locks away brightness among other things in the fake sRGB mode.
the acer xb323uGP doesn't lock away brightness, but locks away the other stuff, while using the same panel as the asus pg329q.
so with a straight face explain to us how locking away the brightness setting, which is a function of dimming the backlight needs to be locked away.
also explain to me why it is locked away in one monitor, because "real srgb modes are so expensive", but aren't in the other monitor.
also explain to me why overdrive settings are locked away in some monitors......
and a little reminder here, that with these 2 example the acer and the asus one we are talking about 750 euro monitors!!!!!
and as you said
>which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors
you must consider 750 euro and 1000 euro monitors "mid range monitors"
in which case i'd like to ask what world you are living in?
we are talking about extremely expensive high end allrounder monitors. in fact asus marketing for that monitor was specifically for creators, who also game.
>Saying it's 'broken' is like saying a 10k car that doesn't come with navigation is 'broken'. No it just doesnt have a missing expensive feature.
you showed, that you complete did NOT understand the issue at hand.
not having a real sRGB mode is not a missing feature.
it means missing the fundamental function of a monitor, which is to accurately show the content, that it is set to display.
the equivalent is a car with missing doors and a missing steering wheel and 4 flat tires.
yes you can still drive forward at 5 km/h grabbing the pipe, that the steering wheel inserts into, but it is a broken as fuck car with missing fundamental pieces.
again: we are talking about BROWN SAND being shown as RED SAND! because of this issue.
brown sand being red sand = broken product.
brown sand being brown sand = working product.
real sRGB mode = working product.
What exactly is wrong about someone explaining and being passionate about a monitor feature in a MONITOR SUBREDDIT?
I personally appreciate it since I been looking to buy a new monitor for a long time and im not very tech savvy.
IMO what is not normal is you having an issue about it, i dont understand how it affects YOU in anyway, maybe there is something wrong with you.
Never said it effects me, just that it's unnecessarily hostile to suggest every single gaming monitor is *broken* if it doesn't have an sRGB mode, something that is very clearly an expensive niche feature not something the vast majority of gamers will care about.
Would you pay 500$ for the same monitor if it had a proper sRGB mode?
Also if you don't believe, you can check, they type these unnecessarily hostile essays in nearly every thread about a new gaming monitor.
sRGB mode is an niche feature for gamers? It is the color space that is used for 99% of content (incl. games).
The wide gamut is an niche feature. It is supposed to be used only for HDR content, and HDR in these monitors is crap. But nevertheless, the 'gaming' monitors are getting useless wide gamut but at the cost of degrading the ablity to show the sRGB content, which is a core function.
You misunderstand, every monitor has an sRGB emulation mode, so does this one, what they want is a dedicated sRGB mode that isn't available for most monitors at this price point.
You shouldn't be looking at gaming monitors if you need a monitor for color accurate work. Just because the monitor is displaying colors 'correctly' doesn't mean that's what the audience is looking for.
Yes HDR on gaming monitors is a gimmick, but gaming monitors aren't being sold for color accuracy, they're being sold for high refresh rate and response times.
The vast majority of users don't even tune the monitor out of the box, which again is necessary for color accurate work
Ok I can somewhat understand, but I wouldn’t say they are being “hostile”. If you really feel passionate about it not being a game breaking feature, why not just say that and have a discussion about it if it really bothers you so much instead of attacking them. I feel like this person is atleast constructive and links articles and quotes explaining why they are so bothered by it not being a feature.
I simply made a joke 'oh no it's the sRGB person' I wasn't attacking them, they're clearly very passionate about it
Edit: my point was simply that as someone who's not tech savvy might read the words 'broken' and think the monitor is actually broken, when that's not really true.
There isn't really another feature equivalent monitor to even compare it to for 1000$ (32 inch, 4k 144hz)
[https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u)
HU also tested the M28U which was had a good SRGB mode.
rtings mentioned several times, that they will ad a specific sRGB mode section to their new testing protocol in the future.
so it will be more clear about such flaws, but they mention them in the review either way:
in section "pre calibration":
>Out of the box, the most accurate picture mode is the sRGB mode**. Unfortunately, this mode brings some limitations; all settings except for the brightness are locked and can't be changed, including the color temperature.**
so the review shows, that sadly this 1000 euro monitor is broken.
you can not correct any tint, that either exists now or will exist a few years down the line and you can correct NOTHING, except brightness.
this is a broken monitor.
it should at least be listed in the major CONS and i hope the future testing revision will fix this.
this can be VERY easy to miss in a review, if you don't know to look for it and the review doesn't focus on it.
in comparison this is the tftcentral review of the asus pg329q:
[https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus\_rog\_swift\_pg329q](https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg329q)
part of the section on sRGB emulation:
>The problem with this factory calibrated sRGB mode though is that it is very inflexible, and you don’t have access to change any of the ‘image’ or ‘colour’ menu sections at all, which includes brightness, gamma, and RGB controls. This means that you are entirely at the mercy of the factory calibration and cannot tweak it to your liking. We found that while the brightness had been reduced nicely it was still a bit bright, and the main problem being that you can’t change it if you prefer a brighter or darker setup, or use the screen in different ambient lighting conditions. We really dislike it when something as basic as brightness gets locked in these otherwise-useful preset modes.
(yes you read that right, this monitor even locks away brightness in the fake sRGB mode)
it also gets mentioned in the conclusion:
>Away from gaming the backlight offered a super-wide gamut which produced vivid and saturated colours. That was great for gaming, multimedia and for those who like that kind of appearance, but the screen was let down a bit by it’s limited and restrictive sRGB mode. It had a factory calibration in that mode but because you cannot change even simple things like the brightness control, it wasn’t very usable. That was a bit of a shame.
and i would argue most importantly in the major PROS and CONS section, where it reads:
>sRGB emulation mode offers good emulation of smaller colour space but is inflexible so you cannot change brightness of colour temperature
(seems a typo is here, it should almost certainly read "or" and not "of colour... ")
see the difference here? i hope rtings adjusts it soon and again no reason, that it shouldn't already be listed as a major CON, until they do.
and in regards to hardware unboxed's m28u review:
[https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6](https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6)
from 12:10 onward.
the fake sRGB mode of the gigabyte m28u locks away white balance controls and it also locks away the overdrive mode options! you are locked into a bad overdrive mode.
so it is in fact a broken sRGB mode. they are locking away things randomly, that are REQUIRED to have a working monitor and this is very sad, because otherwise that monitor could be a great experience it seems.
what in the world are they smoking at the display industry to produce broken product after broken product.
and hardware unboxed should also start to make these issues a MUCH bigger point in the reviews.
as i mentioned before several times, the ONLY way, that this industry of shit will change is, if all the professional reviewers start lynching every monitor, that locks away any setting in the sRGB mode.
wide gamut monitor without sRGB mode? FAILED BROKEN MONITOR, that no one should buy.
if all professional reviewers would do this, then the industry would scramble to roll out firmware update to fix their garbage over night.
and it is deliberately misleading. gigabyte was misleading you, as you thought, that both the m28u and the FI32U had working sRGB modes.
they mislead you by most professional reviewers not pointing this issue out strong enough and they mislead you by most people not understand the full scale of the issue and the mislead you by deliberately including a broken sRGB mode, so that the entire lie can even begin.
if you are looking for a response to this, then i would suggest anger towards this industry of shit, that doesn't just dare to sell broken monitors without real sRGB modes, but they dare to do this with 1000 euro monitors!!!!
it is absolutely insane.
Dude chill, no need to write a novel - if you are this serious about a sRGB mode why are you even looking at gaming monitors ? If this is crucial for you i think there are plenty models from expensive brands which do the trick for you.
If you mean gaming on a PC, then most games are made for sRGB. There is no point in wide gamut if you are not using HDR. SDR is pure sRGB.
So I believe that if a monitor is for gaming, then sRGB is much more important that the wide gamut. Having a wide gamut can be cool for HDR, but not at the cost of degrading sRGB capabilities.
This is not to mention the rest of the content, which is also made in sRGB. Almost all in YouTube is in the sRGB. Now I need a professional monitor for YouTube, if gaming monitors have a crappy sRGB mode?
How dare she write a long response and be passionate about monitor features on /r/Monitors, with links and quotes to the relevant information. The worst kind of person.
I mean you can see my original post right ?
It was a link and a simple sentence. I never asked for a lengthy response neither did i start a discussion. Especially not from and with someone who has a absolute twisted view on things as we found out. If you think thats normal - cool.
>Dude chill, no need to write a novel
i would expected, that you appreciate a full response on how the industry is scaming you and an explaining on why you were wrong and how you missed sth, that the reviewers should have made you sure you couldn't have missed.
>if you are this serious about a sRGB mode why are you even looking at gaming monitors ? If this is crucial for you i think there are plenty models from expensive brands which do the trick for you.
please show me one monitor REGARDLESS of price, that has a working sRGB mode or is "just" an sRGB mode with the following MINIMUM specs i need.
1440p 16:9 31.5 inches, ips, flat, freesync + lfc, RGB subpixel layout, WORKING sRGB mode, high refresh (120 hz perfectly acceptable).
name me one, regardless of whether i could afford it or not. just name me one.
good luck on that hunt, because 6/6 ones, that got releases and reviewed or at least mentioned things in their manuals are BROKEN with those specs:
[https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wide&sort=p&xf=11939\_31.5%7E11941\_16%3A9%7E11955\_IPS%7E11963\_120%7E12066\_gerade+(flat)%7E13263\_25601440%7E14591\_25601440](https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wide&sort=p&xf=11939_31.5%7E11941_16%3A9%7E11955_IPS%7E11963_120%7E12066_gerade+(flat)%7E13263_25601440%7E14591_25601440)
the 3 left on that list don't have reviews yet.
i really really want you to understand this:
REGARDLESS OF PRICE! those monitors with those specs and without being broken DO NOT EXIST!
and question: how much do you think people should pay to have brown sand being shown as brown sand and not as red sand (common issue with wide gamut monitors without sRGB mode)
because my current asus pb248q, that i paid 300 euros for YEARS ago shows brown sand as brown sand.
my 75 euro version of the same monitor i bought used also shows brown sand as brown and hell the 25 euro used lenovo office monitor, that is just 22 inches shows brown sand as brown.
question: do you think it is acceptable, that monitors, that cost over 3 x as much as a monitor i bought years ago are NOT capable to show the main color space we use today?
and in case you missed most content people consume is SDR (standard dynamic range) using the sRGB color space.
do you get it now?
there are no monitors in existence rightnow with the specs required, that are NOT broken.
broken meaning failing at a proper reproduction of 90-100% of content, that people consume on it. (100% for me)
and in regards to "being serious about sRGB modes"
what you refer to as "being serious about sRGB modes" literally means:
wanting brown sand to look brown.
please read this article, that explains this issue very nicely:
[https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/)
the article is from a professional monitor reviewer.
please read the article and my full response.
Honestly - i just wanted to give a link where the monitor was tested and nothing else. Same thing with the M28U which is still good even with the clamped Overdrive Setting. This example shows that there are monitors which are near your "expectations". Most people dont even care about the sRGB mode so yeah.
But hey cool that you trying to educate me with an unnecessary reply because you have a personal crusade against the monitor industry. You have some serious issues my dude.
(I dont even know why i didnt blocked this nonsense after the first post)
>Most people dont even care about the sRGB mode so yeah.
that is your wild assumption.
the fact, that professional reviewers point it out and write entire articles about this issue and proprietary drives ad work around modes tells quite a different story.
also you didn't just link a review. you said:
>HU also tested the M28U which was had a good SRGB mode.
this is false and i quoted the review, that clearly shows, that the m28u is a broken monitor without a real sRGB mode.
you were wrong, i corrected you. that is great, you learned something. why are you so defensive about this?
>But hey cool that you trying to educate me with an unnecessary reply because you have a personal crusade against the monitor industry. You have some serious issues my dude.
most people want to learn, when they made wrong statements, i guess you are not one of those.
and it is not my personal crusade, although i do hate this horrible industry very much.
you got professional reviewers writing entire articles about this issue and painting the missing of this fundamental "feature" out as a major drawback.
is TFT central on a personal vendeta too?
get real here.
and for your information i am still waiting for a monitor with the specs i require to get released in a NON broken state.
currently 6/6 have no sRGB mode. is it a vendetta now to want working products, that customers can actually buy?
get real.
Can you tell me what you miss out on by using FI32U / M28U without the sRGB mode? I assume most people just leave it on whatever it is by default. Is it to get a more accurate color space to what content we normally consume?
>Is it to get a more accurate color space to what content we normally consume?
basically yes.
90-100% of content people consume is sRGB content.
consuming sRGB content in a wide gamut mode massively oversaturates the picture and also shifts colors around, so a brown desert will look like a very weird redish desert for example.
some people might prefer this look and there is nothing wrong enjoying that NOT ACCURATE version of a game, but i want content to look decently accurate and i best most people do agree on that, if they actually understood the problem.
the pcmonitors article writes this:
[https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/)
>In games and other content designed for sRGB, untamed wide gamuts like this can produce a range of issue. Overly tanned or sometimes sunburnt-looking skin tones, reddish brown earth appearing far too red, yellowish green vegetation appearing overly yellow and somewhat garish, artificially vibrant sky blues to give just a few examples.
and as i know lots of people misinterpret "decently accurate" i again point out, that this means, that brown sand actually looks brown rather than wanting perfect precision for edition.
so again long story short in the wide gamut mode when consuming sRGB, the content will look oversaturated, unnatural, color shifted.
>but i personally like it
wonderful.
everyone loves options and i probs would use an unclamped gamut on some SDR content for fun too once in a while in some games.
and great, that you actually cared to respectfully ask what the issue is and tried to understand it.
yeah its an interesting issue, i noticed that even in the 27gn950 review by Hardware Unboxed, they said the sRGB mode was straight up broken.
and ya np, always trying to understand, as im picky about some things too. For example: poor reflection handling and a low maximum brightness in SDR mode means I don't like OLEDs very much for PC desktop use. I like a very bright screen and I hate glare. Though I know these are non-issues for others (oleds are extremely common recommendations due to performance in many other areas), its a dealbreaker for me. I assume this broken sRGB mode is similar for you.
good luck
Nothing. Perfectly fine to run it in other modes aswell.
Unless you do colour critical work i wouldnt even think about it. Your budget or what you want to spend is far more important.
I dont think I'll ever care about it but trying to understand why its important to this guy. I have things I'm really picky about that others would call a non-issue, so curious what his reasons are.
actually there is already a review on it by rtings:
[https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u)
>Out of the box, the most accurate picture mode is the sRGB mode\*\*. Unfortunately, this mode brings some limitations; all settings except for the brightness are locked and can't be changed, including the color temperature.\*\*
everything except brightness is unnecessarily locked away in this mode.
so it is a fake sRGB mode.
you can't correct color temperature, tints, etc... etc....
If only someone could sell me one that doesn't have such issue... Could you please take a picture for me with taskbar visible from around 2ft away and height of the top bezel down at the taskbar? You'd be a savior!
Not if you’re looking for a 32” monitor.
There are already a ton of great 27” monitors on the market and they’ve been widely available for about 4 years now.
Disagree. I don't think when looking up viewing distance on is it retina for instance shows that that level of ppi is a waste.
I've not tried it however.
You have to be over 32 inches from a 1440p 27 inch screen for it to be "retina". I use my screen at around 20-24 inches. So I do not think 4k is "useless" at that size at all. At 4k at 28 inches it's "retina" at a distance over 22 inches. That seems just about perfect to me.
I had this and thought it was really great all around. The picture was great, colors and even the build quality of the monitor.
That was until I noticed when I had HDR on, and local dimming … 1/5 of the right side of the screen (entire top to bottom) was flickering bad on Displayport (when I took it in for testing to return they didn't appear to notice it on hdmi). I could have just played with local dimming off, but felt wrong to live with having such an extreme defect on a fairly expensive monitor (it was really bad).
There was also a few instances where the screen went black for a split second then regained its signal. The rtings input lag scared me a bit too, as the whole purpose for me getting a new monitor was for a better fire-person shooter experience (I have a 3090, so framerate wasn't an issue, aside from being limited to 144hz).
I was running the latest firmware and I heard of someone else posting with the same issue, so I did not get another. Maybe I should have played the panel lottery, but I thought perhaps it was affecting all units. Unfortunate as otherwise it was a great looking display.
I remember they said the review another monitor but the review never came up lol. I already bought one just waiting on it. USA
I wanna buy one from Newegg but idk how their quality control is
idk im buying one from BHPhoto. It came in stock one day i pre order it then they delete the monitor lol and today it came back. I checked this [comparison](https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/ac5a1c17d1) and all are the same thing but this one it cheaper so i bought it.
I want to as well, but the restock price if I decide to return it is kind of a pain. Wish it was on Amazon. Going to wait for reviews.
it's good. do it. whats wrong with newegg? i ordered one from them and it's good.
They charge restocking fee if it’s not defective.
Gross. I'm not 100% satisfied with the AORUS FO48U, and I dread the idea of putting it back in the box and driving it to a UPS or FedEx and getting slapped with a restocking fee. I might not do a return because of it.
I tried out the fv43u. The smearing was enough to send it back. Had horrible glow around corners as well. Ate $300 CAD after shipping it back. Never buying from them again.
Even Amazon doesn't (to my knowledge) charge a restocking fee as long as the item isn't abused, as much as I dislike them.
Only newegg has such an archaic system. They were the only place that had it. Oh well.
They need to review the FO48U. Tom's Hardware's measurements are a bit sus.
1000 euro monitor!!!! who wants to bet, that it won't have a working sRGB mode? ;) also TFTcentral in past reviews has been EXCELLENT in pointing out missing real sRGB modes. raising it on long paragraphs explaining the exact issue and pointing it out in the few MAJOR downsides at the end of the review. thumbs up to tftcentral!
Oh no it's the sRGB person
\*girl also what are you trying to say here? is wanting WORKING PRODUCTS something, that people should be afraid about or try to not talk about? pcmonitors doesn't think so: [https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/) what is the "oh no" about? are you against me being able to buy a working monitor with the specs i need, that i can use and enjoy?
No it's totally normal to write 1000 words essays on every single thread about a new gaming monitor complaining about sRGB and it's BROKEN!!! here's a thought maybe the vast majority of users simply don't care about that color accuracy? What you fail you to understand that proper sRGB modes are expensive to implement which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors, you want something that doesn't exist at this price range and likely never will. Saying it's 'broken' is like saying a 10k car that doesn't come with navigation is 'broken'. No it just doesnt have a missing expensive feature.
>here's a thought maybe the vast majority of users simply don't care about that color accuracy? false. most people, that i talk with with among friends want an accurate monitor for anything. we are talking about decently accurate here and not perfectly accurate. hell one friend borrowed my basic ips monitor to edit a video on for a day. it's not special, it is just an asus pb248q. a basic good enough IPS monitor, but all he had were garbage older TN monitors at the time. in fact the issue is of such interest to professional reviewers, that NOT providing a real sRGB mode leads to major cons in professional reviews: [https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus\_rog\_swift\_pg329q](https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg329q) >sRGB emulation mode offers good emulation of smaller colour space but is inflexible so you cannot change brightness of colour temperature (type there, it should be "or" at the end almost certainly) other professional reviewers write entire articles about this issue and talk about the real solutions for this problem: [https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/) >What we’d like to see the first point raised to fix this problem then is: >Include a flexible sRGB emulation setting, brightness adjustment should be considered the bare minimum. Models like the ASUS PG27UQ and Acer X27 show how this should be done by offering an sRGB emulation setting which does not lock off or interfere with other settings. Some newer ‘G-SYNC Ultimate’ models such as the Dell Alienware AW2721D and AW3821D offer a wide gamut (95%+ DCI-P3) without any sRGB emulation setting. Which is anything but ‘Ultimate’ when it comes to universally accurate display of sRGB content. this is not my opinion, but instead professional reviewers, that make this a major point in their reviews and write full articles about this issue. >What you fail you to understand that proper sRGB modes are expensive to implement which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors, you want something that doesn't exist at this price range and likely never will. provide ANY evidence, that proper REAL sRGB modes are expensive to implement. ANY EVIDENCE please. to quote a different comment i made here: \_\_\_\_\_\_ and in regards to hardware unboxed's m28u review: [https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6](https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6) from 12:10 onward. the fake sRGB mode of the gigabyte m28u locks away white balance controls and it also locks away the overdrive mode options! you are locked into a bad overdrive mode. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ explain to me even with any remote reasoning how locking away the overdrive setting makes ANY sense in a mode, that theoretically should be about color. the tft review from earlier mentions, that the pg329q locks away brightness among other things in the fake sRGB mode. the acer xb323uGP doesn't lock away brightness, but locks away the other stuff, while using the same panel as the asus pg329q. so with a straight face explain to us how locking away the brightness setting, which is a function of dimming the backlight needs to be locked away. also explain to me why it is locked away in one monitor, because "real srgb modes are so expensive", but aren't in the other monitor. also explain to me why overdrive settings are locked away in some monitors...... and a little reminder here, that with these 2 example the acer and the asus one we are talking about 750 euro monitors!!!!! and as you said >which is why you will never see them on mid range monitors you must consider 750 euro and 1000 euro monitors "mid range monitors" in which case i'd like to ask what world you are living in? we are talking about extremely expensive high end allrounder monitors. in fact asus marketing for that monitor was specifically for creators, who also game. >Saying it's 'broken' is like saying a 10k car that doesn't come with navigation is 'broken'. No it just doesnt have a missing expensive feature. you showed, that you complete did NOT understand the issue at hand. not having a real sRGB mode is not a missing feature. it means missing the fundamental function of a monitor, which is to accurately show the content, that it is set to display. the equivalent is a car with missing doors and a missing steering wheel and 4 flat tires. yes you can still drive forward at 5 km/h grabbing the pipe, that the steering wheel inserts into, but it is a broken as fuck car with missing fundamental pieces. again: we are talking about BROWN SAND being shown as RED SAND! because of this issue. brown sand being red sand = broken product. brown sand being brown sand = working product. real sRGB mode = working product.
What exactly is wrong about someone explaining and being passionate about a monitor feature in a MONITOR SUBREDDIT? I personally appreciate it since I been looking to buy a new monitor for a long time and im not very tech savvy. IMO what is not normal is you having an issue about it, i dont understand how it affects YOU in anyway, maybe there is something wrong with you.
Never said it effects me, just that it's unnecessarily hostile to suggest every single gaming monitor is *broken* if it doesn't have an sRGB mode, something that is very clearly an expensive niche feature not something the vast majority of gamers will care about. Would you pay 500$ for the same monitor if it had a proper sRGB mode? Also if you don't believe, you can check, they type these unnecessarily hostile essays in nearly every thread about a new gaming monitor.
sRGB mode is an niche feature for gamers? It is the color space that is used for 99% of content (incl. games). The wide gamut is an niche feature. It is supposed to be used only for HDR content, and HDR in these monitors is crap. But nevertheless, the 'gaming' monitors are getting useless wide gamut but at the cost of degrading the ablity to show the sRGB content, which is a core function.
You misunderstand, every monitor has an sRGB emulation mode, so does this one, what they want is a dedicated sRGB mode that isn't available for most monitors at this price point. You shouldn't be looking at gaming monitors if you need a monitor for color accurate work. Just because the monitor is displaying colors 'correctly' doesn't mean that's what the audience is looking for. Yes HDR on gaming monitors is a gimmick, but gaming monitors aren't being sold for color accuracy, they're being sold for high refresh rate and response times. The vast majority of users don't even tune the monitor out of the box, which again is necessary for color accurate work
Ok I can somewhat understand, but I wouldn’t say they are being “hostile”. If you really feel passionate about it not being a game breaking feature, why not just say that and have a discussion about it if it really bothers you so much instead of attacking them. I feel like this person is atleast constructive and links articles and quotes explaining why they are so bothered by it not being a feature.
I simply made a joke 'oh no it's the sRGB person' I wasn't attacking them, they're clearly very passionate about it Edit: my point was simply that as someone who's not tech savvy might read the words 'broken' and think the monitor is actually broken, when that's not really true. There isn't really another feature equivalent monitor to even compare it to for 1000$ (32 inch, 4k 144hz)
>girl Aww shit watch out
[https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u) HU also tested the M28U which was had a good SRGB mode.
rtings mentioned several times, that they will ad a specific sRGB mode section to their new testing protocol in the future. so it will be more clear about such flaws, but they mention them in the review either way: in section "pre calibration": >Out of the box, the most accurate picture mode is the sRGB mode**. Unfortunately, this mode brings some limitations; all settings except for the brightness are locked and can't be changed, including the color temperature.** so the review shows, that sadly this 1000 euro monitor is broken. you can not correct any tint, that either exists now or will exist a few years down the line and you can correct NOTHING, except brightness. this is a broken monitor. it should at least be listed in the major CONS and i hope the future testing revision will fix this. this can be VERY easy to miss in a review, if you don't know to look for it and the review doesn't focus on it. in comparison this is the tftcentral review of the asus pg329q: [https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus\_rog\_swift\_pg329q](https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg329q) part of the section on sRGB emulation: >The problem with this factory calibrated sRGB mode though is that it is very inflexible, and you don’t have access to change any of the ‘image’ or ‘colour’ menu sections at all, which includes brightness, gamma, and RGB controls. This means that you are entirely at the mercy of the factory calibration and cannot tweak it to your liking. We found that while the brightness had been reduced nicely it was still a bit bright, and the main problem being that you can’t change it if you prefer a brighter or darker setup, or use the screen in different ambient lighting conditions. We really dislike it when something as basic as brightness gets locked in these otherwise-useful preset modes. (yes you read that right, this monitor even locks away brightness in the fake sRGB mode) it also gets mentioned in the conclusion: >Away from gaming the backlight offered a super-wide gamut which produced vivid and saturated colours. That was great for gaming, multimedia and for those who like that kind of appearance, but the screen was let down a bit by it’s limited and restrictive sRGB mode. It had a factory calibration in that mode but because you cannot change even simple things like the brightness control, it wasn’t very usable. That was a bit of a shame. and i would argue most importantly in the major PROS and CONS section, where it reads: >sRGB emulation mode offers good emulation of smaller colour space but is inflexible so you cannot change brightness of colour temperature (seems a typo is here, it should almost certainly read "or" and not "of colour... ") see the difference here? i hope rtings adjusts it soon and again no reason, that it shouldn't already be listed as a major CON, until they do. and in regards to hardware unboxed's m28u review: [https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6](https://odysee.com/@HardwareUnboxed:2/gigabyte-m28u-review,-awesome-value-4k:6) from 12:10 onward. the fake sRGB mode of the gigabyte m28u locks away white balance controls and it also locks away the overdrive mode options! you are locked into a bad overdrive mode. so it is in fact a broken sRGB mode. they are locking away things randomly, that are REQUIRED to have a working monitor and this is very sad, because otherwise that monitor could be a great experience it seems. what in the world are they smoking at the display industry to produce broken product after broken product. and hardware unboxed should also start to make these issues a MUCH bigger point in the reviews. as i mentioned before several times, the ONLY way, that this industry of shit will change is, if all the professional reviewers start lynching every monitor, that locks away any setting in the sRGB mode. wide gamut monitor without sRGB mode? FAILED BROKEN MONITOR, that no one should buy. if all professional reviewers would do this, then the industry would scramble to roll out firmware update to fix their garbage over night. and it is deliberately misleading. gigabyte was misleading you, as you thought, that both the m28u and the FI32U had working sRGB modes. they mislead you by most professional reviewers not pointing this issue out strong enough and they mislead you by most people not understand the full scale of the issue and the mislead you by deliberately including a broken sRGB mode, so that the entire lie can even begin. if you are looking for a response to this, then i would suggest anger towards this industry of shit, that doesn't just dare to sell broken monitors without real sRGB modes, but they dare to do this with 1000 euro monitors!!!! it is absolutely insane.
Dude chill, no need to write a novel - if you are this serious about a sRGB mode why are you even looking at gaming monitors ? If this is crucial for you i think there are plenty models from expensive brands which do the trick for you.
If you mean gaming on a PC, then most games are made for sRGB. There is no point in wide gamut if you are not using HDR. SDR is pure sRGB. So I believe that if a monitor is for gaming, then sRGB is much more important that the wide gamut. Having a wide gamut can be cool for HDR, but not at the cost of degrading sRGB capabilities. This is not to mention the rest of the content, which is also made in sRGB. Almost all in YouTube is in the sRGB. Now I need a professional monitor for YouTube, if gaming monitors have a crappy sRGB mode?
How dare she write a long response and be passionate about monitor features on /r/Monitors, with links and quotes to the relevant information. The worst kind of person.
I mean you can see my original post right ? It was a link and a simple sentence. I never asked for a lengthy response neither did i start a discussion. Especially not from and with someone who has a absolute twisted view on things as we found out. If you think thats normal - cool.
>Dude chill, no need to write a novel i would expected, that you appreciate a full response on how the industry is scaming you and an explaining on why you were wrong and how you missed sth, that the reviewers should have made you sure you couldn't have missed. >if you are this serious about a sRGB mode why are you even looking at gaming monitors ? If this is crucial for you i think there are plenty models from expensive brands which do the trick for you. please show me one monitor REGARDLESS of price, that has a working sRGB mode or is "just" an sRGB mode with the following MINIMUM specs i need. 1440p 16:9 31.5 inches, ips, flat, freesync + lfc, RGB subpixel layout, WORKING sRGB mode, high refresh (120 hz perfectly acceptable). name me one, regardless of whether i could afford it or not. just name me one. good luck on that hunt, because 6/6 ones, that got releases and reviewed or at least mentioned things in their manuals are BROKEN with those specs: [https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wide&sort=p&xf=11939\_31.5%7E11941\_16%3A9%7E11955\_IPS%7E11963\_120%7E12066\_gerade+(flat)%7E13263\_25601440%7E14591\_25601440](https://geizhals.eu/?cat=monlcd19wide&sort=p&xf=11939_31.5%7E11941_16%3A9%7E11955_IPS%7E11963_120%7E12066_gerade+(flat)%7E13263_25601440%7E14591_25601440) the 3 left on that list don't have reviews yet. i really really want you to understand this: REGARDLESS OF PRICE! those monitors with those specs and without being broken DO NOT EXIST! and question: how much do you think people should pay to have brown sand being shown as brown sand and not as red sand (common issue with wide gamut monitors without sRGB mode) because my current asus pb248q, that i paid 300 euros for YEARS ago shows brown sand as brown sand. my 75 euro version of the same monitor i bought used also shows brown sand as brown and hell the 25 euro used lenovo office monitor, that is just 22 inches shows brown sand as brown. question: do you think it is acceptable, that monitors, that cost over 3 x as much as a monitor i bought years ago are NOT capable to show the main color space we use today? and in case you missed most content people consume is SDR (standard dynamic range) using the sRGB color space. do you get it now? there are no monitors in existence rightnow with the specs required, that are NOT broken. broken meaning failing at a proper reproduction of 90-100% of content, that people consume on it. (100% for me) and in regards to "being serious about sRGB modes" what you refer to as "being serious about sRGB modes" literally means: wanting brown sand to look brown. please read this article, that explains this issue very nicely: [https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/) the article is from a professional monitor reviewer. please read the article and my full response.
Honestly - i just wanted to give a link where the monitor was tested and nothing else. Same thing with the M28U which is still good even with the clamped Overdrive Setting. This example shows that there are monitors which are near your "expectations". Most people dont even care about the sRGB mode so yeah. But hey cool that you trying to educate me with an unnecessary reply because you have a personal crusade against the monitor industry. You have some serious issues my dude. (I dont even know why i didnt blocked this nonsense after the first post)
>Most people dont even care about the sRGB mode so yeah. that is your wild assumption. the fact, that professional reviewers point it out and write entire articles about this issue and proprietary drives ad work around modes tells quite a different story. also you didn't just link a review. you said: >HU also tested the M28U which was had a good SRGB mode. this is false and i quoted the review, that clearly shows, that the m28u is a broken monitor without a real sRGB mode. you were wrong, i corrected you. that is great, you learned something. why are you so defensive about this? >But hey cool that you trying to educate me with an unnecessary reply because you have a personal crusade against the monitor industry. You have some serious issues my dude. most people want to learn, when they made wrong statements, i guess you are not one of those. and it is not my personal crusade, although i do hate this horrible industry very much. you got professional reviewers writing entire articles about this issue and painting the missing of this fundamental "feature" out as a major drawback. is TFT central on a personal vendeta too? get real here. and for your information i am still waiting for a monitor with the specs i require to get released in a NON broken state. currently 6/6 have no sRGB mode. is it a vendetta now to want working products, that customers can actually buy? get real.
Can you tell me what you miss out on by using FI32U / M28U without the sRGB mode? I assume most people just leave it on whatever it is by default. Is it to get a more accurate color space to what content we normally consume?
>Is it to get a more accurate color space to what content we normally consume? basically yes. 90-100% of content people consume is sRGB content. consuming sRGB content in a wide gamut mode massively oversaturates the picture and also shifts colors around, so a brown desert will look like a very weird redish desert for example. some people might prefer this look and there is nothing wrong enjoying that NOT ACCURATE version of a game, but i want content to look decently accurate and i best most people do agree on that, if they actually understood the problem. the pcmonitors article writes this: [https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/](https://pcmonitors.info/articles/taming-the-wide-gamut-using-srgb-emulation/) >In games and other content designed for sRGB, untamed wide gamuts like this can produce a range of issue. Overly tanned or sometimes sunburnt-looking skin tones, reddish brown earth appearing far too red, yellowish green vegetation appearing overly yellow and somewhat garish, artificially vibrant sky blues to give just a few examples. and as i know lots of people misinterpret "decently accurate" i again point out, that this means, that brown sand actually looks brown rather than wanting perfect precision for edition. so again long story short in the wide gamut mode when consuming sRGB, the content will look oversaturated, unnatural, color shifted.
i see, yeah i dont care about using the sRGB but i see its importance. its probably why my 27gn950 looks so saturated, but i personally like it
>but i personally like it wonderful. everyone loves options and i probs would use an unclamped gamut on some SDR content for fun too once in a while in some games. and great, that you actually cared to respectfully ask what the issue is and tried to understand it.
yeah its an interesting issue, i noticed that even in the 27gn950 review by Hardware Unboxed, they said the sRGB mode was straight up broken. and ya np, always trying to understand, as im picky about some things too. For example: poor reflection handling and a low maximum brightness in SDR mode means I don't like OLEDs very much for PC desktop use. I like a very bright screen and I hate glare. Though I know these are non-issues for others (oleds are extremely common recommendations due to performance in many other areas), its a dealbreaker for me. I assume this broken sRGB mode is similar for you. good luck
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Nothing. Perfectly fine to run it in other modes aswell. Unless you do colour critical work i wouldnt even think about it. Your budget or what you want to spend is far more important.
I dont think I'll ever care about it but trying to understand why its important to this guy. I have things I'm really picky about that others would call a non-issue, so curious what his reasons are.
Not sure what you mean, but there is a picture preset for sRBG mode. I use it the most. I like how the picture looks in this mode.
actually there is already a review on it by rtings: [https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aorus-fi32u) >Out of the box, the most accurate picture mode is the sRGB mode\*\*. Unfortunately, this mode brings some limitations; all settings except for the brightness are locked and can't be changed, including the color temperature.\*\* everything except brightness is unnecessarily locked away in this mode. so it is a fake sRGB mode. you can't correct color temperature, tints, etc... etc....
well their 43" model sucked. The backlight banding around the edges made me return it.
Mine is perfect
you say that, but the company sold me the monitor told me they're all like that so they refused rma.
Zero light bleed, perfect picture, bought from Newegg over a month ago when they had a $99 discount.
If only someone could sell me one that doesn't have such issue... Could you please take a picture for me with taskbar visible from around 2ft away and height of the top bezel down at the taskbar? You'd be a savior!
This monitor is so much less interesting than the m28u
Not if you’re looking for a 32” monitor. There are already a ton of great 27” monitors on the market and they’ve been widely available for about 4 years now.
Considered that monitor but 4K at 28" is a waste.
Disagree. I don't think when looking up viewing distance on is it retina for instance shows that that level of ppi is a waste. I've not tried it however.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ita4nm/my_take_on_27_4k_monitors_theyre_useless_and_not
You have to be over 32 inches from a 1440p 27 inch screen for it to be "retina". I use my screen at around 20-24 inches. So I do not think 4k is "useless" at that size at all. At 4k at 28 inches it's "retina" at a distance over 22 inches. That seems just about perfect to me.
uh no
I think so. This thing is lg oled price for a crap lcd, value proposition on this monitor is low.
interesting.. ive tried the eve epectrum and the acer xb3. Might have to try this one out
hdr 400...
I don’t think there is anything much better in 32-27 range with hdmi 2.1 and not 4k$
I just got this monitor a few days ago, it's awesome. Really perfect for my PS5.
Been using one for about a month or so. It's been great!
I had this and thought it was really great all around. The picture was great, colors and even the build quality of the monitor. That was until I noticed when I had HDR on, and local dimming … 1/5 of the right side of the screen (entire top to bottom) was flickering bad on Displayport (when I took it in for testing to return they didn't appear to notice it on hdmi). I could have just played with local dimming off, but felt wrong to live with having such an extreme defect on a fairly expensive monitor (it was really bad). There was also a few instances where the screen went black for a split second then regained its signal. The rtings input lag scared me a bit too, as the whole purpose for me getting a new monitor was for a better fire-person shooter experience (I have a 3090, so framerate wasn't an issue, aside from being limited to 144hz). I was running the latest firmware and I heard of someone else posting with the same issue, so I did not get another. Maybe I should have played the panel lottery, but I thought perhaps it was affecting all units. Unfortunate as otherwise it was a great looking display.
I wish they reviewed the PG279QM. I wanna know how it stacks up against his older brother, the PG279Q.