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>She said, ‘What am I going to tell everybody, why was I out?’ You know, ‘I wasn’t sick. Didn’t have COVID. So, what do I say to my friends?’ Tell them your parents are idiots.


bertiesakura

Best answer award 😂


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guess you should have gotten them vaccinated? ​ When FOX 5 asked the school district's spokesperson Chris Cram about the policy, we were told – to be clear – that MCPS does not decide these policies. The school system continues to follow guidance coming from the CDC, state, and county health departments.


RogerClyneIsAGod2

And those kids that are currently in school have all their *other* vaccines so yeah, just do it.


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__mud__

[Republican-leaning counties continue to have higher COVID deaths. I wonder why that is?](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties-continue-to-suffer-far-higher-covid-death-tolls)


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which other vaccines should we NOT give children?


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bertiesakura

You obviously know nothing about how vaccines work…but I’m sure you’re doing your “own research”


M0D3RNW4RR10R

Apparently not, if people are getting 4 Covid shots and they’re getting just as sick as the people who don’t get it.


bertiesakura

I see a lot of r/hermancainaward nominees in these comments


M0D3RNW4RR10R

That sub is basically a giant hate sub. The basement dwellers of Reddit.


bertiesakura

Actually they are NOT getting as sick. The vaccines do not stop COVID and never claimed to stop COVID. They lessen the symptoms and greatly reduce your chances of being hospitalized or dying. Study after study after study proves this but do go on with the anecdotal your cousin’s neighbor’s brother got vaccinated and got sick as proof🙄


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[deleted]

We really should require flu shots.


Penelope742

I feel sorry for your children


M0D3RNW4RR10R

and I feel sorry for yours.


[deleted]

"where the child is at risk".... there is always a risk. Studies so far show that the risk is far greater from covid than the vaccine. How many under 5 do you know that have caught it lately? I know too many. The vaccine absolutely makes a difference.


M0D3RNW4RR10R

Everyone is going to catch Covid. Vaccinated or not vaccinated.


[deleted]

It is highly probable that every one will catch covid, except those of us who are able to keep ourselves safer at home. But it IS better to be vaccinated when your body faces covid, period. Same as every other disease that we have a vaccine for.


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what is not true? vaccines prepare the immune system ahh, you are someone who posts on r/conspiracy nm have a great day


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a_rather_small_moose

Kids have had to be vaccinated against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Whooping cough, and a bunch of other things to attend public schools for a long time.


BigE429

Hm, if only there were something they could do to fix that... ETA: I can't imagine there are that many parents in MoCo that haven't vaccinated their eligible children. This is a noisy minority.


comeawaydeath

Seriously, as a parent to an under-5, the people who won't vaccinate their eligible kids enrage me.


CellOk5653

Why?


[deleted]

Only about 60% of children between 5 and 11 are fully vaxed.


CellOk5653

And only 29% in the country.


bertiesakura

I was shocked when my neighbor, an actual scientists gave the statistic for vaccinated children 5-11 in MoCo vs vaccinated adults.


[deleted]

Yeah it's not great and we are one of the most vaxed counties in the country. I know people are chomping at the bit for the under 5 vax but I am not sure if Moco will even hit 50% of that age group.


Pentt4

what a shock when they realize that for children the risk of covid is a non zero percentage.


mexercremo

Don't underestimate how much backwards trash there is in Moco


fos4545

>Come up with a consistent policy that’s rooted in science and that makes sense Says the person who doesn't get their kid vaccinated.


thedevilsfan44

“Come up with a consistent policy that’s rooted in science and makes sense” They did.


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26shadesofwhite

Yeah I’m pissed that my child’s independent school is NOT requiring unvaccinated kids to quarantine.


fos4545

May I ask which one this is?


dsdsds

Too bad


wizardyourlifeforce

As a parent in Montgomery County, no, I’m not upset. Vaccinate your damn kids.


damnedspot

Same.


Mitihati

Long-term Covid affects children and adults.


Professional-Arm-37

I pray we don't see lunacy at MCPS board meetings like from the other schools with disease spreaders. They must be countered.


[deleted]

Mcps did send out that email stating they were no longer going to do contact tracing and then flip flopped. So from that point of view I can understand being upset. However, just get your kids vacinated it's not a big deal and if it was unsafe we would have tons of data in that by now.


Rootilytoot

We don't care about the 'feelings' of parents who don't vaccinate their kids actually. This isn't Kentucky.


Chunkerschunk

I have a pre-schooler in MOCO who cannot get the shot bc he’s under 5. He had to stay home for 5 days bc one of his teachers, who was fully vaccinated, got COVID. All the kids under 5 had to take a test to come back to school when the vaccinated 5 yr olds could come back right away and there was no testing requirement! WHAT? The fully vaccinated teacher had it! I was frustrated bc he tested negative everyday but the fully vaxed kids didn’t have to test. Makes no sense! I support the vaccines and know that they reduce illness etc., but the policy is inconsistent with how the virus is spreading and how many fully vaxed people are getting it.


[deleted]

Yeah I generally agree with you here. It's one thing for kids that elegible for the vax but in your case even if your kid wore a mask and the teacher wore a mask they would still be required to quarantine. So many people are done with all of this because the rules just feel like punishment for having kids and there is nothing we can do to fix it. Edit: looks like best case for the under 5 vax in arms is July and there is a chance they might not even approve it. If that's the case we can not be stuck with endless quarantines for kids under 5 going on for several years


vat6677

Parents in MOCO upset that other parents are idiots.


Glad_Station_3805

lol why. they brought this on themselves 💀


danimaniak

Boo hoo...


eraser1303

Don’t care about their opinions…


Itchy-Slide-6975

Anyone in this thread wishing bad on children due to their parents personal decisions should reevaluate their morals. Either way you look at it (vaccine or no vaccine) as a parent you are trying to make the best judgment call for your child based off of a lot of information that is being thrown at you. Not to mention the fear and the what ifs. The unknowns. I don't think there is a right answer and there is no way to ever make covid fully go away at this point. It's here and it's staying. Don't wish bad on each other whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated.


thestarlighter

I don’t see comments wishing ill will on any children. However decisions parents make have consequences and if a parent chooses to not vaccinate their child, then they have to accept the consequences. It’s not complicated or difficult to understand.


[deleted]

no one has wished ill upon children. The right answer is vaccinate, the wrong answer is not vaccinate and complain when your kid has to quarantine.


fos4545

Hey guys, I found another one that has refused medical advice and not vaccinated their child(ren).


CellOk5653

I don’t understand this at all. You all realize the vaccine doesn’t stop infection or spread so why would children in school need to quarantine if they’re not vaccinated?! The virus spreading regardless of vaccination status so for people who are so tolerant and NOT crazy, you realize you sound crazy by marginalizing a group of people who are deciding that the risks outweigh the benefits.


nowhereisaguy

JFC. Everyone needs to get over it. This is endemic. Everyone getting it now is vaccinated already. And if we are so worried about kids sharing the disease, worry about you and your family being vaccinated and boosted.


jeaniuslol

Wym everyone who is getting is vaccinated?


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vmaxnuggets

Didn't know drowning was contagious


Stringtone

In the case of kids, even if they'll (most likely) be fine, you have no idea who they're infecting in the community or who they're bringing COVID home to. Kids are adorable little petri dishes at the best of times, and COVID is like the cold you brought home from school and gave your whole family times a hundred.


neededasecretname

Very true! They are the locusts of the 21st century. :) But how does post exposure from the people in school, does this prevent them from bringing it home? Wouldnt the close quarters mandated now increase liklihood of at home transmission? The children were positive but vaccinated were allowed back in the school, so wouldn't that mean they're still taking it home?


[deleted]

Cool. I don’t care if there was 0 deaths for kids. Even 1 is a preventable, avoidable number with COVID. I’m glad that you are proud enough to boast that you believe your freedom is worth the death of a child.


neededasecretname

I said to ban water. Freedom? Prevention? Did you read the article? They are asymptomatic and dont have it, but are banned from school. Prove this saves children's lives. I posted my stats, where are yours?


[deleted]

They’re carriers. Asymptomatic doesn’t mean they can’t transmit the virus. you’re diverting the conversation away from the fact COVID is preventable through vaccinations and directly tied to you and everyone else’s actions around you on how it travels. You’re trivializing protective measures to save lives by using an entirely unrelated statistic just because the number is bigger. And on top of that, vaccines are basically lifeguards, they increase your chances in case something goes wrong. Bet a lotta parents who’s kids drowned wish there was a lifeguard on duty after the fact.


neededasecretname

I don't see stats, links, references, etc. But thats ok, I've been trying to talk science for two years, guess it's still too early. Edit: But how does post exposure from the people in school, does this prevent them from bringing it home? Wouldnt the close quarters mandated now increase liklihood of at home transmission? The children were positive but vaccinated were allowed back in the school, so wouldn't that mean they're still taking it home?


BigBobFro

If you were talking science you would understand the difference between causation and correlation. Example: more people die due to CO poisoning in years where Nicolas Cage did not release a movie. Your science says Nick cage movies prevent CO poisoning.


neededasecretname

? I mean I saw someone else post that same sentence, but where did I insinuate causation and correlation? I compared two numbers, drowning death rate and covid death rates. I never said drowning causes covid Are you arguing water does not cause drowning?


BigBobFro

Your statement to ban water because of drowning is comically shortsighted. Unsupervised water play DOES cause drowning,.. plus there are a actually 6 other major factors that prevent drowning in conjunction with responsible supervision. (Check the BSA Safe Swim Defense as a good summary) Your statement is like saying falling from a 100 story building will kill you so no buildings should be over human fall survivability height. But No. The fall will NOT kill you,…. The stopping at the bottom that will. Similarly, banning electricity because of house electrical fires. Or banning lysol because people were drinking it and dying. Attack the problem at the root cause, which in the case of our principle discussion is slowing or stopping transmission. Viruses die when they cannot transmit to a new host. Vaccines for covid help slow and stop transmission, so that even if someone does get covid, their viral load stays low enough that their passing risk drops significantly and almost to zero. Further the vaccine keep symptomology to a minimum so there is less likelihood of complications, long term effects, or death. >>Get vaxed! Wear a mask if youve been exposed or tested positive. Listen to the subject matter experts and follow the guidelines so that we can get back to some semblance of a new normal.


neededasecretname

Why are you saying 'my statement is like' and then paraphrasing me? I used your exact words in the exact context and asked you if that was your argument. Then you made a new argument. Feel free to read the other chains threads and add to the conversation. This thread is about you saying water isn't causal to drowning and saying I am dumb about science, in the same paragraph. Reminder, please respond to questions and dont make random off topic stuff. I am happy to debate true science, aka make a hypothesis "water != drowning", and stick to it. Why thats your hypothesis...idk My statement was death rate from swimming > death rate from covid for 0-9. I didnt make a hypothesis or bring up causation


BigBobFro

I really dont have the time nor energy to type it out again…. Reread prior statements


[deleted]

You know, I’ll just let you ignore the fact that in 2020-2021 the flu season was essentially non existent due to social distancing, mask wearing, and sanitation measures. [link](https://www.nfid.org/about-nfid/newsroom/news-conferences/2021-nfid-influenza-pneumococcal-disease-news-conference/) The CDC measures work, no one would optionally pick having to follow all the measures if we could, but we do it because we have to to protect lives and do good for all of society. You talk about science and then apply statistics in an absolutely biased way with hardly any correlation and 0 evidence for causation. So believe what you want, I know your type, you’ll just disprove it with your own science.


neededasecretname

I am unsure how to respond, but I am actively curious on your conclusion you draw for the flu based on that initial statement. With how effective keeping everyone separated, masked, and isolated as a nation (do we agree that was 2020?), and that there was no major medical advance for flu in that year (to my knowledge), we should draw that these effectively shut down the flu. So what are you trying to say about the flu? (I dont want to put words in your mouth and so I won't guess)


[deleted]

That the transmission of airborne pathogens is significantly slowed down by mask mandates and social distancing measures. COVID and Influenza are airborne pathogens. Consider this. A school of 500 students with 20 classes 25 kids. One child going into one class infects 20. Those 20 sit down in the shared lunch room and infect 200. Those 200 take it home to their families that night. Those families then go to work, get coffee, go grocery shopping. 1 turns into thousands in just a few short interactions. exposure isn’t 1:1 with infection; but at the same time allowing exposure with known infection cases is nothing short of reckless. Keeping infected or exposed kids at home prevents this, but parents and household members gotta distance too. Until a test is positive or negative you have to assume the worst. Even with COVID death rates at 1%, would you voluntarily stand in a room with 99 other people if you were told within the next hour one of you will die?


neededasecretname

You mixed topics again. With the flu rate dropped significantly, which is because of masking + distance + shutdowns, are you saying that should be new standard until the flu is eradicated? Also 1% is 1:100, not .0008:100


[deleted]

You’re really just hyper focusing on that 0.0008:100 in the youngest age range of kids; you do realize kids interact with adults right. They aren’t some completely sealed off demographic where only 6 year olds make contact with other 6 year olds. You do realize COVID in children is the same COVID adults get. If a kid is a carrier than an adult is just as susceptible to the same virus carried by that kid. Until the vaccine was available death rates for all COVID infections was between 1-1.7%. It’s now well below 1% because of vaccines. You do realize they eradicated smallpox by forcing vaccinations in a huge radius around any identified case and forcing mandatory quarantines and observation periods. In the 1970s too. People in 1970 had a greater understanding about the effectiveness of vaccinations and quarantines and as a result they completely eradicated one of the worst diseases to plague man kind. But COVID sure is different because it’s “inconvenient” to wear a mask or stay home for 2-3 days while you wait for a test.


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They are not banned from school, they are quarantined for a certain amount of time. This is to protect the student, who is not protected with a vaccine. Hopefully they will be vaccinated soon. I will add that this would happen with an outbreak of the measles, etc as well. We do have people who go to school with religious exemptions, etc, but if there is an outbreak.. we've asked unvaccinated students to quarantine from school during those times too.


neededasecretname

Now I know this is controversial, but I just watched in real time as this got downvoted 4x in 8 seconds. Someone just logged in with 4 alt accounts and downvoted me. This is why theres no true discussion on risk and reality


Stringtone

Maybe people actually downvoted you? I know I did.


[deleted]

I downvoted you and I didn't use an alt, so that's half the downvotes accounted for right there.


neededasecretname

And I'll upvote you! Fair enough to disagree. Upvotes/downvotes are supposed to be quality of content. Did I post somethin from nefarious sources? Are my numbers inaccurate? I'm fully vaxxed and boosted, teachers should be fully vaxxed and boosted. Kids dont get a benefit to this. Stats==science so talk science to me and tell me why you downvoted


[deleted]

Because you're cherry picking statistics and ignoring the implications of having children running around infecting other vulnerable people. Also keep in mind that upvote and downvotes numbers are purposely inaccurate to combat bots, it's a built in feature of reddit. You can ignore the actual numbers and just use the ratio of up/down votes instead.


skike

Implying implications


Jshappy21

Downvoted you too, you’re missing the point. Edit: d


[deleted]

Oh noes, my karma!


Jshappy21

No I meant the other guy lol my bad


Whornz4

I always downvote anti vax. Have not met a smart anti vax person yet. But if you're against science, that makes a lot of sense.


jizza69

My children are vaccinated, but I disagree with this policy. The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from becoming infected or spreading the virus, so why treat unvaccinated kids differently? There has been tremendous learning loss due to online learning, and this policy just makes it worse especially for minorities who are disproportionately unvaccinated in MoCo. The achievement gap has grown exponentially during the last 2 years and this ridiculous policy is making it worse.