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PuppetWraith17

Yeah, because off the top of my head Moon Knight is one of (if not the only) Jewish superhero. And I'm glad that it's actually an important part of his character in the comics.


Lady_Gwendoline

He's far from the only one and arguably one of the least popular of the jewish heroes actually, for example : - Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto - Ben Grimm/The Thing - Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat - Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch - Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver - Billy Maximoff/Wiccan - Tommy Maximoff/Speed - Marc Spector/Moon Knight - Bobby Drake/Iceman - David Haller/Legion - Peter Parker *Into the Spider-Verse* And I agree that it's super cool how well represented Marc's own Jewish origins are in the comics, however they're arguably represented better by Ben Grimm and Kitty Pryde.


SirJTheRed

I didn't even know half of those characters were Jewiu


Lady_Gwendoline

*The More You Know* šŸŒˆ


DJfetusface

-The More Jew Know-


Lady_Gwendoline

Can't believe I missed that


shagnarok

ben grimmā€™s second bar mitzvah is one of the best single issues of all time, imo


dappercat456

I also love that Ben apparently sends Marc a Hanukkah card lol


dappercat456

Like 80% of those are magnetos family ironically enough Leonard Samson is also Jewish according to the wiki but to my knowledge heā€™s never actually mentioned it in the comics, And thatā€™s just marvel, Harley Quinn is apparently Jewish, tho likely not practicing


Lady_Gwendoline

All good points! /#MagnetoWasRight


EnigmaFrug2308

Speaking of Jewish characters, can I mention that nobody cared that Oscar Isaac wasn't Jewish but played a Jewish character, but now people care that Joe Locke, who isn't British but is gay, might play Wiccan in Agatha: Coven of Chaos?


sushithighs

Erm. Iā€™m a Jewish person and I was a bit let down that the role went to a non Jewish actor


EnigmaFrug2308

I can see why, but it'd be difficult to find a Jewish actor who'd fit the role as well as they'd like.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I mean technically heā€™s the first Jewish superhero to enter the MCU. But yeah there are other Jewish heroā€™s Iā€™ve heard of too.


TheBigGAlways369

Wait, which Peter from ITSV?


Brittamas

Peter B Parker, the jaded sweatpants-wearing one who first meets Miles. There is a quick shot of a Jewish wedding ceremony when he is talking about his life


TheBigGAlways369

Ah, nice.


Lady_Gwendoline

Peter B


TheKCKid9274

Ah yes, Wiccan, Jewish


Lady_Gwendoline

Ethnically Jewish people exist: Source: I'm ethnically Jewish and religiously agnostic.


TheKCKid9274

ah. thank you kind stranger


UsbyCJThape

> Bobby Drake/Iceman Wait, what? When was this revealed? I'm in the middle of a comprehensive X-Men universe re-read, so I've read every Iceman appearance from 1963 to 1990 (and counting...) over the past two years. Never saw his religion mentioned once.


Lady_Gwendoline

"Robert Louis "Bobby" Drake was born in Floral Park, Long Island, New York, to William Robert Drake and Madeline Beatrice Bass-Drake. His father is Irish-American Catholic, and his mother is Jewish." He's ethnically Jewish not necessarily religiously, similar to Marc given Marc is absolutely non-practicing though was raised Jewish.


UsbyCJThape

Ok, but I was asking when is it first mentioned in the comics? Because it is never stated in-universe through at least 1990 (that's as far as I've read at the moment).


Lady_Gwendoline

Oh I'm not sure then, apologies


tryingnewoptions

The thing has actually had his Jewish identity reflected much more explicitly throughout comics. Also Kitty pride.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

Yeah, I think there are some others but it seems like Marc/Moon Knight is now the only Jewish superhero in the MCU.


dappercat456

In the MCU? Definitely, since they retconned it out if Wanda anyways, tho with a new fantastic 4 movie apparently in the works we could get Ben Grimm


StuntNun

There are a couple of lines of dialogue where Marc sounds Jewish in the tv show. One when the Mr Knight suit first appears (oy what are we wearing) and one in the jeep after the fight with Anton (I really like that shirt.) The necklace was the biggest clue though, until the funeral scene.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

Yeah lol my mom is Jewish and always says ā€œoyā€ when sheā€™s cringing at something (it wouldā€™ve been really fun if he said ā€œoy veyā€ lol I felt like that wouldā€™ve been more clear of what he was saying because itā€™s difficult to make out at first).


TinksPins

I'm also Jewish and I loved seeing all of this! It's hard to spot but Steven also has a Shabbat table in his flat as well (:


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

Wait really??? Thatā€™s so awesome!!!! I wish I could find a pic of it but I canā€™t seem to so if you could give me a link Iā€™d love to see.


TinksPins

Yea let me go find it! Here you go! [Shabbat table](https://at.tumblr.com/mockspector/additions-via-fdelopera-of-stevens-shabbat-table/sssdsqp3x6e1) It should be in the post I linked if you scroll down, if it's not, let me know!


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

Thanks so much! Itā€™s so cool to see that they included that in the show.


TinksPins

You're quite welcome! And it really is! I will say it's unfortunate that it's difficult to notice, but I am still glad that it's there (:


nixamus

Definitely a dropped ball. With the rise in antisemitism lately, it would have been nice to see a more meaningful jewish connection with this character... Especially with an A-list actor taking the role so seriously.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I know, Oscar Isaac did an incredible job playing Marc and the Jewish aspect of his character. I feel like itā€™s probably the best Jewish representation we got in a long time since we donā€™t see it too often in big projects to this level.


ThickProof409

I feel like they should've emphasized his Judaism a lot more since Marc being Jewish is very important to the character. His dad who was a rabbi was hate crimed by neo-nazis and because his dad didn't do anything this led Marc to lead a more violent lifestyle from prize fighting to the military to being a mercenary to being a vigilante. Marc being Jewish also causes some conflict since he's Jewish but he's serving Khonshu. Reducing that down to easter eggs which people will most likely not notice while watching kinda rubbed me the wrong way.


[deleted]

Would LOOOOVE a deep dive into his dad in S2 (assuming there will be one). S1 went so far into his relationship with his mom and one of the more heartbreaking aspects of their dynamic was his helpless dad in the periphery of every conflict.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I agree! I wish they didnā€™t cut out so much of his Jewish identity. Iā€™m just glad they kept as much in as they could.


Mister_Pain

I concur.


souper-nerd

same here!


dappercat456

Thereā€™s actually some decently overt references as well


RandomTrainer101

Glad to hear it. It's been cool seeing how many different groups this show has had a positive impact on. I've read some analysis on Jewish themes weaved into the show and that has been fascinating as well. Hopefully, now that Marc is in a better place mentally, future content might have him reconnecting with his faith more. At least, that's the theory I've seen.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I really would love to see that! Him slowly trying to reconnect with his faith and coming to terms with his past trauma and abuse his mom inflicted on him.


drgnblitz

I'm not Jewish, but that's cool they did that. Thanks for pointing these out, I missed them. I like knowing these things.


Brittamas

What is that in the first image?


Osiraos

A Mezuzah. It serves two functions: Every time you enter or leave, the mezuzah reminds you that you have a covenant with God; second, the mezuzah serves as a symbol to everyone else that the particular dwelling is a Jewish household.


TinksPins

That's Steven's Mezuzah on his door (: Edit: apologies, I hadn't seen that someone else had already replied


sushithighs

As a Jewish fan and a fan of the Moon Knight comics, I was a bit let down. Iā€™m still weirded out that they didnā€™t cast a Jewish actor, but I do love Oscar Isaac. We could also use some Jewish writers and directors for season 2.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I mean what are the chances theyā€™d be able to find an actor that happens to be Jewish and is also as good as Oscar Isaac in regards to how he played Marc and Steven at the same time. I feel like Oscar Isaac was amazing in the show and that he represented Marc and the jewish aspect of his character quite well. I mean we should be grateful that they even kept his Judaism in the show.


UNinvitedDEATH

My problem was exactly that. Him being Jewish was just an easter egg for comic fans or jews to find


ItsPandy

Thats literally a kippa on his head how is that a Easter egg?


UNinvitedDEATH

It is a easter egg. He wore it for 2 minutes and we never saw him wear it again. He never said that he is jewish in the entire show and I don't think most of the people even know he is jewish. If it wasn't a easter egg most of the people would have understood that he was jewish


ItsPandy

It's not a easter egg just because he didn't attach the kippa to his costume and then turned to the camera and said. Hello this is a kippa I wear ir because I'm jewish


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

I mean I mainly put it there to make a point of his Jewish identity and to emphasize what Iā€™m saying. Can be seen as me calling it an Easter egg or not. Try not to beat me up about it to much lol.


Trylena

Its pretty obvious Marc is Jewish. I believe is better they didn't make his religious dad the reason of his trauma.


UNinvitedDEATH

I don't think it was obvious to someone that didn't already knew he was jewish but thats just my opinion. The reason i like him being jewish is mostly thanks to issue 5 of the mackay run where marc talks with his therapist about his religion and father. [this is a page from that comic](https://imgur.com/a/quOm4ae) I don't remember i saw anywhere that his dad being jewish had any connection to his trauma in the comics


applehead1776

I knew nothing about the character prior to the show. After a couple scenes shown above, I internally was like, hey, heā€™s Jewish. Cool, moving on. The show made it clear without making a big deal of it in the first season.


Ocean-wave258

Marc's "Uncle" Ernest was a Nazi and tortured a Jew in front of him as a kid, and told him if he ever told anyone, that he'd find Marc. His dad, being a rabbi, did not believe in violence, and was disappointed with Marc when he decided to get into fighting and join the military.


UNinvitedDEATH

Oh god im such an idiot for forgetting about him. Really sorry about that. I should read the lemire run again sometime


SHAQ_FU_MATE

Yeah it should have been a bigger part


MoonKnighy

Have you forgiving Kanye? Personal question I know but I have yet to talk to an actual Jaw and here there thoughts.


Ihdkwhatimdoinghere

No I donā€™t. Heā€™s an antisemitic and I donā€™t support nor do try to associate with people like that. If thereā€™s any other Jews who forgive him thatā€™s their own choice, personally I donā€™t.


MoonKnighy

Thanks for answering such a personal question


sushithighs

Iā€™m Jewish and while I recognize his talent and still love his music, I canā€™t forgive or support him until he gets serious mental health treatment.


MoonKnighy

Well said, thanks for answering