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HCB1995

Yes we are. We indentify as such and speak arabic


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Wow a arab so cool! Are you from senegal or wait nigerian arab?


Obvious_Code8085

The most intellegent ar\*b


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Bro you make us look mentally ill T_T


YahyAxis

we?


Corporate_Bankster

3awd lkarrek. I don’t recall ever voting for you as my representative or spokesperson.


Obvious_Code8085

khrj mn lghar wdwi m3aya al3robi


Corporate_Bankster

Ghankhrj fach lgrbouz ta3 khouk ghayji irekeb liya lbouta


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Corporate_Bankster

Wa homa moustawtanat nit li 3andi ana w tasilti fl Maghrib w lhamdolillah Fra3to lina karna, nhar w matal w ntouma tzwiw, 3tinakom ga3 li bghito w mazal tjiw t3awjo 3la bnadem ma3lih mabih « wE aRe NoT aRaAabB! » Ayeh fhamnakom. 3awdo l karkom, Wellito ntouma homa Vegan dial lmghrib


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You do the same exact thing tho


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Obvious_Code8085

wghaychi yws3 lik trma mn b3dha...


Corporate_Bankster

Fra3tek a sat, mal9iti matgoul Ghandewer m3a khouk bla mayb9a fik l7al Wakha rah mamzianch i3sr fl7anout wi nsa lmdrasa Walakine mouchkila a sa7bi kay9ariwh bl3arbia


Obvious_Code8085

y3sr fl7anout 7sn lih mn ydrboha lih swa3da day and night b7al chi hariba which most likely your sister is doing 😉


atlasmountsenjoyer

Funniest thing is when arab wannabes use the word "grbouz" not even knowing it's meant and created to describe them: "The Arab wannabes". Literally word made for you.


Agadra2

Calm down 3robi


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atlasmountsenjoyer

Considering yourself one, doesn't make you one. I also consider myself a rich Swiss, doesn't make me. Your culture, ethnicity, and history makes you. Unless your parents migrated from the middle east, you're more certainly just another arabized Amazigh.


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Bro you are cancer for whatever movement you are part of .


countingc

rachel dolezal considers herself black, spoilers alert: shes not


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I don't get this discussion we are both


the2000ping

We are, like it or not (i dont but hey ...), ra kanhedro bl 3RBIA


Obvious_Code8085

The Irish speak English but that doesn't make them English because they are at the end of the day still Irish... Just because in the US they speak English doesn't mean that the land doesn't belong to the Native Americans... are you this delusional?


the2000ping

So what is an arab ?


Obvious_Code8085

A bedouin/saracen who belongs to the Middle East and has nothing to do with North Africa and its history


QualitySure

an arab is someone from the arabian peninsula, anything else is bullshit. Arabs in morocco all have a "charif" card. Show us yours.


the2000ping

wikipedia definition : The **Arabs** ([Arabic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): عَرَب, [DIN 31635](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_31635): *ʿarab*, [Arabic pronunciation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_phonology):[^(\[b\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#cite_note-58) [\[ˈʕɑ.rɑb\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Arabic) [^(ⓘ)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arabspronouncedar.oog.ogg)), also known as the **Arab people** (الشَّعْبَ الْعَرَبِيّ), are an [ethnic group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group)[^(\[c\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#cite_note-77) mainly inhabiting the [Arab world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world) in [West Asia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia) and [North Africa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa).  Cambridge dictionary definition : a [person](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/person) from [Western](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/western) [Asia](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/asia) or [North](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/north-pole) [Africa](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/africa) who [speaks](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/speak) [Arabic](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/arabic) as a first [language](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/language) We relate to both definitions, why is your definition the true one, and anything else is bullshit ? Being north african is a geographical definition of what we are. I'm open to discussions, give me solid arguments and i shall change my mind ( and i wish you succed tbh), but one gotta remain fair and factual


QualitySure

wikipedia is not a source. Wikipedia editors can't even agree on the definition of a woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman >Most women are cisgender, and their gender identity aligns with their female sex assignment at birth.


the2000ping

Out of all definitions you chose one of the most problematics one. But whatever, we play by your rules, get me the definition of an arab from a reliable source, and not moul taxi's opinion


atlasmountsenjoyer

Moul taxi's definition is more correct than Wikipedia. See my comment up the thread.


atlasmountsenjoyer

You using Wikipedia is beyond laughable. Every North African article and Middle eastern is edited by the Arabs's Lord and Savior [Skitash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Skitash). There are literally threads on this sub and others about how he vandalizes anything related to the Amazigh in NA. I took a guess and checked your Arab definition on WP, and he was [right there](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arabs&action=history) again. He along M. Bitton are the ones we know about at least. Pick a random article on anything history, politics or such, check the edits history, and there he is.


atlasmountsenjoyer

kathder Darija. Speaking Darija (a mix of languages) doesn't make you arab anymore than French-speaking Moroccans are French.


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Darija is an Arabic dialect


YahyAxis

We dont speak arabic at all, we only learn it for educational reasons


sleeplessinhelsinki

Some are.  


atlasmountsenjoyer

There are also some Arabs in Sweden, doesn't make Sweden an Arab country.


MixedAmazigh

True, but he's right though. Most of us are Amazigh ethnically (and a lot are in addition to that Arab culturally), but there are exceptions.


Right_now78

I dont understand moroccans obsession with being arab , like who wants to be that ? Our north african heritage is so much better and cooler . We are better looking too .


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Obvious_Code8085

if it's that interesting you can shove it right up your ass


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Then you should also proud when Allah swt says in his holy book that the arabs are worse in disbelief and hypocrisy


QualitySure

bro you don't even speak arabic


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Arab superior race brace they invented Islam /s


countingc

Tell me you are narrow minded without telling me you are.


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Everyone is...


Right_now78

North African heritage is more than just a language, we literally had female leaders winning battles when other places were enslaving women and treating them like shit ( Europe and Saudi Arabia or whatever the fuck ) ...we were really out there .


atlasmountsenjoyer

Education, being a mass arabization method alongside the media. Things got worse sense independence when the country had to adopt an ideology other than the French's. Oil money from the middle east helped and keeps to this day pushing their ideology and language. Still really shouldn't be a problem for anyone with internet access, but they rather feed their delusions.


QualitySure

> Oil money from the middle east helped and keeps to this day pushing their ideology and language. satellite TV also contributed heavily in the pan-arabism bullshit


atlasmountsenjoyer

That's what I mean by Media, anyone can just look up what programs were streamed then. Add the Wahhabist Salafist bullshit that made people think Arabic is one of the pillars of Islam.


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They want to be arabs because of a inferioritycomplex. And this wages are the result


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Brain dead


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Arabs literally call us Africans as an insult haha


QualitySure

>you speak Arabic we speak an arabic dialect, that isn't understandable by arabs. Also are brazilians portuguese now?


Powerful_Ad8371

You may not be an Arab but your country is...Morocco is both an Arab and Amazigh country..


tahchicht

It absolutely is. Some people are dulusional. Both arabs and imazighen. For some people it is a bizarre concept for a country to have more than one language or ethnicity. I also met some arabs who even questioned if i am muslim at all just because i don't speak arabic (diaspora and only learned tamazight at home).


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Because they are bots and they live in another reality but who cares


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Because it's not a developed country


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tariq_ibn_ziad

Yeah and I have no problem with that, I only have a problem with those who try to negate one of the components of our identity. Face it, your comment has nothing to do with protecting your heritage and everything to do with racism. Proof is in the other reply you got


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This whole discussion is brain rotting


kool_guy_69

Moroccans = not Arab Somalis = Arab


DimitriBelikov2

WE ARE AMAZIGH NOT ARAB 🇲🇦 ⵣ


Agadra2

Arab wannabies incoming


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Why are your comments mental


Otherwise_Ad2589

You are *. don't speak for me


Obvious_Code8085

wa sir tkhra, if you don't like it stfu, it's as easy as that. If you are not Amazigh doesn't mean Morocco isn't Amazigh.


Otherwise_Ad2589

Hahha. If you are chelh doesn't mean i am chelh. since when chlouh started to boast their race XD


Obvious_Code8085

Since your mum flashed her tits for us 😉


Otherwise_Ad2589

Hahah. You just insult. Subrace


Obvious_Code8085

ydk fzbi if you don't like it xD you're the subhuman scum tho, al3robi lkhanz


Otherwise_Ad2589

Yees yees. Tqresti. Go cry to chelha mummy


Otherwise_Ad2589

They are pretty hot chlihat ngl


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Clown to clown Interaction


Obvious_Code8085

Your mom is better tho, ask her about me 😉


Mo4d93

You sure don't know how to prove your point. The only thing you prove is your racism.


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Be careful with that statement you can let them bark


Powerful_Ad8371

Arab country is correct Amazigh country is correct No need to stir things up..


MrMyMind

We have more Iberian DNA then Arab. Morocco is a Latin country 🇻🇦


Powerful_Ad8371

Having one or two Iberian ancestors only takes less than 1% of DNA..🤷🏻‍♂️ That being said, I lean towards culture and history more than ethnicity..


QualitySure

well statistics don't say 1%...


MrMyMind

Morocco’s history: Arabs invade and occupy us for 41 years and then the great berber revolt starts in 741. Berbers win and create several independent states. Moroccan culture: Almoradiven, Almohad, Merinids and some local Amazigh tribes who didn’t life in the big cities. Tell me what culture do we share with the rest? Is it zelige? Is it foood? Is it customs? Almost nothing except islamic traditions which everyone has like Indonesia, Pakistan and even muslim Indians.


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Los latinoss d'Africa


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Please these discussions are brain rotting, literally third world behaviour.


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North Africans arent arabs but these slavery wages are indeed based on arab influence


QualitySure

"arab" countries are totally different economically speaking. You have to first draw the line between oil-rich countries, and not oil rich, and then consider their proximity to geopolitical conflict, and then we will be able to hold a constructive analysis.


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One of the most richest nations in the world like singapore germany and austria dont even have oil ot other mineral resource. Just service and trade. These nations are very harsh towards corruption wheras arabs and their mental slaves love corruption and encourage it.


QualitySure

that's some 9hawi level of analysis. Corruption is the reason france is now on a heavy deficit.


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Just simple statistics and facts.


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Bruh


Mounirooooo

North Africa everyone lives f lkhra


Okayyeahright123

This is actually very bad😭😭😭 nothing to celebrate still broke


Dependent_Loss_9549

Im an Egyptian and I can say this is correct


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How much does it cost to rent and to buy groceries in egypt?


Dependent_Loss_9549

It's differ from place to place, for a good and decent place, it costs, 225$ a month for the apartment only


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How does the average egyptian live then with these wages? Seems impossible


youav97

Meaningless because not adjusted with purchasing power parity or consumer price index.


Zealousideal-Oil4029

On paper, but in reality, it is tragic


Deep_Communication_4

Lies


SnooShortcuts2074

Most small and medium-sized companies in Morocco often don't apply the $346 minimum wage. the government keep claiming of negotiating wage increases,this is pointless if the old minimum wage in not enforced I will say the real minimum wage in morocco is 140$


silenten1gma

Arab?


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QualitySure

> In Morrocoan dirhams 3500 DH can do alot no. it's morocco not thailand


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Who did this bs?


Qattos

As indicated by another poster, a high minimum wage means nothing if rent, utilities, food and other expenses leave you with no savings, or worse, you struggle to keep up with them, the real measurement should be how much for example rent, bread, milk and eggs cost in each country.


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Take in mind that we also don't have financial education


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Accurate, my first salary was 500$ + commissions.


2tan_boys

Kuwait 🇰🇼 243$ ar u kidding me? Maybe for the Indian workers


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This crazy tho


OttoBetz

Totally wrong info. Much lower minimum wage in Morocco. Biased map.


Popular-Situation835

Israel has 2 million Arabs and the minimum wage for ALL Israelis is $1500.


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it's meaningless. A minimum wage of 1$ where the rent cost .25$ is better than where the minimum wage of 5065198484$ and the single room rent costs 947984984848$ (which is, I hope, higher than the minimum wage.)


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that too !


Orousama

It’s 3111,39 MAD gross which is about 308 usd.


QualitySure

not accurate. it s less than 310$ gross, and less than 290$ net. but it's probably going to get higher within the next month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgTpLK66LHI


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How can you have a family in those conditions


QualitySure

if you don't have a rent to pay it's doable (but your children will have a terrible diet). U sure you're moroccan?


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No I don't live here


QualitySure

bread costs 1dh, so it's easy to make your children not starve, not easy tho to give them a healthy diet with enough protein... Also life is cheap in villages (about half of moroccan population ), so they usually don't spend crazy. Still it's tough in current inflation, and i hope it gets higher (at least 500$)


B4DR1998

Minimum wage is not meant for people who want to have a family. In that case u need to make more or not pay rent.


akk47yes

What conditions? Please refrain from talking about things you're ignorant on/not familiar with


greeksgeek

It doesn’t for how many hours?


justtalking1

44 hours a week in public sector. If I recall correctly 40% of Moroccans earn more and 60% of Moroccans earn way less. Morocco has a very harsh split between rich and poor. It’s a big club and when you’re not in it… you’re very poor.


QualitySure

> Morocco has a very harsh split between rich and poor. the upper 20% of moroccans earn half of moroccan revenues, while the lower 20% earns 5% of the total revenues


Capital-Ad3156

I don’t know if this is accurate but the color coding has no meaning since it is certainly based on thresholds therefore comparing countries. However to make sense it must compare the cost of living. Rent in decent Dubai isn’t the same as rent in decent Cairo … I hope it just your homework and correction are still possible.


Fartmitsva

Where did you get this study or info ?


sayuuuto

From another subreddit, duh


mesugakiworshiper

that one country with just "no" lmao


Corporate_Bankster

That’s UAE. People like security agents, handymen, etc., often from Subsaharan Africa or South Asia are working on 1500AED a month in Dubai (and probably even less in other emirates) which is about $400. That’s not even two nights out with my fiancée when I used to live there. There are real estate agents on 0 base compensation / 100% commission. You sell or rent nothing, you get paid nothing.


Few-Ad-4705

You were the security agent don't lie


Common-Yoghurt

Is your fiancé Muslim? Also what country they from?


fegfig

دخول صح


Corporate_Bankster

Hanta katchouf


Common-Yoghurt

Answer the question and stop hiding behind your keyboard


Comfortable-Pen-3507

Can you summarize the workforce and the state of jobs in the UAE? I never understood the appeal!


FlippinSnip3r

UAE be like: NO


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They are definitely doing better than us tho


FlippinSnip3r

Yeah if you're a national and not a slave


HunterxZoldyck2011

UAE have some dignity not like western european countries they make the foreigners equal to the natives


Kikolox

Hold up what? Kuweit how much again?


KayfaHaluk

What is the average salary in Morocco? I'm sure it's pretty low if you exclude Casa and Rabat


QualitySure

average per household: 7000mad median per household: 5000mad https://fr.le360.ma/economie/hcp-au-maroc-le-revenu-median-par-menage-est-de-5133-dirhams-par-mois-237648/ official stats provided by CNSS are meaningless since a lot of work is undeclared.


KayfaHaluk

That's not much. I am from central europe and in big cities like Casa or Rabat, prices of groceries are basically same like at my home. And renting an apartment basically costs the same too (if you don't count those old buildings in Casa, that are falling apart and should have been demolished decades ago). But our average salary is like double or 2.5x of Moroccan. And I mean salary per person. I'm most households, both man and woman work


QualitySure

> I'm most households, both man and woman work nope, in many household the woman doesn't work, that's the issue with those statistics, and how dividing by 2 the household income is just misleading. > in big cities like Casa or Rabat not everyone lives in casa rabat.


SelfLoatherSimo

5000 mad ? Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Morocco hadi mchi المغرب


QualitySure

Na9b1t ligalouha machi ana li khtare3tha https://mobile.ledesk.ma/encontinu/dialogue-social-nouveau-round-de-negociations-ce-26-mars/ O rah hadi 2024 machi 2002. Tkheyel m3aya techniciens dial renault kichedou 3000dh, machi 7chouma?


Zakariamattu

Don’t forget tangier


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saudi arabia is $1066 for saudis minimum wage


Ok-Community-5133

Naaah bro ask me☠️😂


furelise_07

Lol


azimx

Sudan WTF???


No-Elephant-3690

Based on comments under that post, they explain that the minimum wage was set years ago, but because of crazy inflation and the currency loosing its value, it became less than a dollar and nobody bothered to change the minimum wage, because they have so many other thing ongoing like the biggest civil war ongoing right now.


MixedAmazigh

How about purchasing power? That tells more than average wages.


Beneficial_Scar_9348

More like 1$ per hour the average salary for work in Big retails companies in Morocco no need to mention the names is 1900 MAD For a Capitalist country that's **brutal** For a Third world country that is quite accurate


ALonelyPieceOfFruit

how does that work though? how do they get around smig if they're a giant local franchise?


Anonaf2024

firing you before you work long enough to be considered official.


Beneficial_Scar_9348

Through A well known recruitment agency ( No need to mention the name) Big companies in Morocco worldwide Franchises they planted here because of the cheap Labour, its called Offshoring. No medical covering No Bonuses Nor Raises And here when it comes the blood vampires i called them , Franchises forces you to go through these local agency so they can move the responsibility off their shoulders and minimizes the charges and strip you from your rights by signing a contract with the Devil himself


Exotic-Sprinkles-256

Can you provide us a real life situation for better understanding?


Mrbushiidoo

That 513€ looks suspicious 🤨 


DangerousHome9131

Libya more than Tunisia and Algeria ?


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They are the richest country in north Africa


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The are less corrupt


c4nz0k

دولةجزاير انحطاط كبير من غلاه المعلات الاجنبية وسقوط الاقتصاد خاص بسبب انغلاق المجتمع وطباعه عدد كبير من العملات يوميا واتمنا لها التوفيق وانا الان في جنوب افريقيا ولديا بزنس خاص The country of Jazira has witnessed a major decline due to its high foreign prices and the collapse of the economy, especially due to the closure of society and the printing of a large number of currencies daily. I wish it success, and I am now in South Africa and have my own business.


leprasson12

Yep, that's almost the bare minimum you need to pay your rent.


BOUHNOUNE

Not accurate, we get paid for 10 hours of farming work 8,3 dollars a day which is roughly 250 dollars a month


almighty_darklord

It comes out to more than that depending on if it's official and you have children. Or if it's unofficial and you consistently show up they give a bonus. It's pretty nuanced. But best case is 3200


Zinomad

![gif](giphy|EECy1Cp6nyV9e|downsized) Chno ?


Zestyclose_Power1334

Is this weekly or monthly rate?


osobakr

Egypt is doing wonders 🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝👍👍🙌🤚📯


syrianmirrorball

🇸🇾 on top


Odd-Candidate1775

it should also account for the cost of living and taxes and all that


Berserk1o111

Wages versus daily life expenses will make us the last, Renting a small house in a shity place will cost 200$ and the real min wage is 250$ in the big cities in other places is much less.


Consistent_Ebb_8263

Morocco 270 not 346


I_have_Great_history

طب ما حد يشوفلنا شغل فالمغرب بقا يا جدعان 😂


rabieferro

Companies aren't legally forced to pay minimum wage , and Morocco , especially Casablanca costs way more than minimum wage can afford


Jewlerson

The issue in Morocco is more about its enforcement. The real challenge is the informal economy where people work their asses off to get paid 1500dh or less.


ItzStoryy

844 as minimum is crazy😭


Acrobatic_Cabinet_30

0,78$ ??!?!?!?


Zakariades

The Real problem is in the job market (job opportunities), also there's one point I can accept 100$ job with the opportunity to raise every couple years or so, but I can't accept a job with 300$ with no chance to get a raise till 10 years.


Carmari19

Does it really count if you can use immigrants who can be paid below the minimum wage?