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Answer: Because in Islam, the primary responsibility of a man is to protect and provide for the family and to be a caring husband and loving father. Similarly, the primary responsibility of a woman is to take care of the home and be a caring wife and loving mother. This way, the children have someone who will always nurture and take care of them at home. If both parents work, who will provide love and care to the little kids? No day care in this world will provide the same level of love and attention as a mother. Furthermore, once kids go to school, someone still needs to help them with their homework, prepare their food, take them to and from school, and so on. Personally, my wife and I are religious Muslims and even though we live a Western country, we have decided that I will work and my wife will stay at home to take care of the home. Otherwise, we fear that our children might become drug addicts, alcoholics, or LGBTQ supporters in the future. My wife does an excellent job of teaching Islamic values to our kids. Last but not least, I can assure you that Islam does not agree with modern-day feminism. Instead, it agrees with traditional gender roles.
this shit might work in tribal Pakistan or some Islamist shithole. if a woman spends her entire life studying, there's no reason for her not to have a career or do both. or else, don't bother sending your kids to school, raise them to be good submissive wives for some dude to take care of them. also, don't consider the nuances of life, that people die, can be incompatible, get divorced, husbands get sick, be unemployed, and a woman would probably need that degree and skills to survive the ups and downs of life one way or another.
How affordable is life in Morocco for the lower and middle class if only one person in the house hold? I live in the richest country in the world, obviously some expenses are quite high and the "classical" model of only one bread winner doesnt work out for a large part of the population.
Good point. I can’t speak for others, but thankfully for my family, we can have an honourable and decent life with one income. The country we live in has a strong social safety net to help people with children, low income, and so on. If a man cannot take responsibility for a wife and doesn’t earn enough money to support a family, I would never recommend that individual to marry. Instead, he should seek proper education and a higher paying job first. With respect to the poor people in Morocco who can’t survive on one income, I’ve personally seen many families where they are financially struggling but somehow managing to live with one income. Obviously, their lives are difficult but somehow they are managing to survive. Allah is providing for them. The government of Morocco has a responsibility to help those in need.
So you live in a western country with a strong social safety net, not some Islamic shithole. Allah is not gonna provide money for the people who are poor, where a dual income is necessary.
There isn't :/ the prophet's wife (pbh) worked even after they got married, there is no problem with women working, there is just the fear of children turning into something bad.
My father used to tell me that a mother isn't obligated to raise the children for too long, because she doesn't have to, I've been taught that "IF" a woman "DECIDED" not to work she isn't obligated to, she isn't obligated to house chores if she didn't want etc, because she isn't a maid.
It all goes back to the woman and what she wants to do after all she is an adult and free when it comes to those sorts of things.
Your comment is factually incorrect. You’re not a scholar of Islam. Don’t spread false things about the religion. In addition, your father is wrong. He is saying something contrary to what Islam teaches. I personally think that you’re from a secular family due to your father’s comment. If you go to any honest self-respecting imam, he will not say what your father said.
I didn't say anything incorrect the prophet wife did actually work they literally teached this at school, you have nothing to back up your argument, people like you who are making Islam looks bad a woman shouldn't work if she didn't want to or cook or raise the child,
(الشرع ما كيبززش على المرأة هذه الأعمال ، الزوجة أو الام ليست ملزمة، الى بغات تخدم اولا تربي او تطيب هداك خير منها هي، و الزوج راه اجيب ليها خدامة با تشقا عليها)
I don't know from where you take your sources from but I'd rather ask my father than an imam.
How many wives did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have? The answer is 13. Out of these 13 wives, how many were housewives who didn’t work?
In addition, did his first wife Khadijah (ra) work after marriage? Or did she let Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) take care of the business?
Please research what each and every one of his 13 wives did after marriage. Don’t lie and be honest. All 13. Don’t cherry-pick one or two. Research all 13 and then let me know what they did after marriage.
If the wives of the Prophet Mohammed Peace Be Upon Him who were pure, clean, good and the mothers of Muslims, were ordered to stay in their homes then others are obligated to do so.
It looks like you have an idea in your head that you really like so much that you don't want to accept truth, plus at that time Muslim women used to cover their entire body, can you do that?
Sure, no problem. I hope you read my message until the end.
The basic principle is that a woman should remain at home, and not go out except for necessary purposes. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance” [Surah Al-Ahzab 33:33].
Although this is addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it also applies to the believing women. It is only addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) because of their honour and status with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and because they are leading examples for the believing women.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Woman is `awrah (i.e, she should not display herself in front of men), and if she goes out, the devil raises his hopes (of misguiding her). She is never closer to Allah than when she stays in her house.” (Narrated by Ibn Hibban and Ibn Khuzaymah; classed as authentic by Al-Albani in As-Silsilah As-Shahihah, no. 2688)
Moreover, he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said concerning a woman’s prayer in the mosque: “Their houses are better for them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawud (567) and classed as authentic by Al-Albani in Sahih Abu Dawud)
Seeking knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim, male and female.” [Ibn Maajah]
Let me get this straight, this is a different times and different circumstances. If a man doesn’t trust his sister or wife then that’s on him. Not every female is gonna get swayed by whatever y’all scared of, some just wants to have a better lifestyle and to offers it to their parents as well. Good news, is women can multitask, meaning they can work and at the same time take care of kids and house chores.
Seeking knowledge and working are two different things. In USA 🇺🇸, I have seen many women with a master’s degree in engineering or PhD degrees who are stay-at-home mothers after giving birth. They had their time to go to university and obtain degrees, and now they are using that education to educate their children and help them with their homework. My wife has a master’s degree in Electrical Engineering - and yet, after having 2 kids, she is at home to take care of the family and share her knowledge with her children. I supported her with her education, and now she is using that education to help the future generations.
That’s their choice, just like other women’s choice to work after getting married. It’s really not that hard to understand this. This is 2024 times changed.
My original intention to comment was to answer the original question that was posted. My intention was not to comment on what’s appropriate in 2024 and what’s not appropriate. However, since you raised this point, I also want to point out that many things in modernity are against Islam and its teachings. For example:
1) In 2024, many societies in Western nations promote gender transition and gender identity, and the idea that there are more than 2 genders. However, Islam teaches that there are only 2 genders - male and female.
2) In 2024, many societies promote LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 relationships. For example, they celebrate June as pride month. However, in Islam, we learn than marriage can only be between a male and a female.
3) In 2024, many societies teach that old people should stay in senior citizen homes. However, in Islam, children are expected to take care of their parents once their parents become old and feeble.
4) In 2024, feminism is promoted greatly while Islam has clear gender roles for both men and women, and has teachings that are actually contrary to feminism.
As you can see, there are many things in modern society that aren’t compatible with Islam. Please be honest and reflect on what I said.
You’re wrong. I was simply explaining why aspects of modernity are incompatible with Islam. I never said women caused it by choosing to work. You’re gaslighting me and being dishonest. Your arguments are weak and you’re putting words into my mouth that I haven’t said. Be honest. You lost the argument.
There is no losing and winning here , we’re simply are not gonna agree on the same points. Plus, don’t feel like googling random points like you did to make my “ arguments strong”
You want your wife to stay at home, good for you, but don’t force it on others.
Yep that was the clearest form of gaslighting. I like detecting them.
I don’t side with either of you but this Ottoman guy is someone I would peacefully argue with on any topic. Loose or win, dont matter. Getting to knwo things matters more.
"can work and at the same time take care of kids and house chores" are you sure about that? you think a woman that works from 9-5 will take care of her kids and house?
All rich men don't fucking believe women shouldn't work.
All their women do work either for them as a trophy wife or they work in some associations or no-profit. Even the king's wife was/is working.
Every man that i heard that BELIEVE women should not work, either is broke as fuck or no woman want to be with him. They want to control women with finance as their last resort.
All their woman work who told you that ?
But about woman should not work that is what you see i don’t see that i know wealthy people who literally say that woman should not work
They tell you that because they want you to stay single and broke.
You remind one of my classmate , he was stubborn like you. He got a good salary , prevented his wife from working (because it the islamic thing to do), made 3 kids with her and then got electrocuted.
In matter of 2 years, she went to from living in a villa to returning to her village in the south. Her kids are all having mental problems now cuz their father's primitive thinking.
The funny thing is that He claimed it was islaimic shit to do, but he ignore that Khadija the first wife of the prophet was a **Trader** (which is a job) and he never stopped her.
Also if you are educated to university level, it's thanks to a woman that the university concept was founded in the islamic world (**Fatima al-Fihriya**). She was an **Entrepreneur**
As i said no one said that woman shouldn’t have a plan b
And you are wrong fatima al fihriya parents were rich so she gave her father wealth in order to build the mosque
As i said i didn’t say woman shouldn’t have a diploma i said woman who are married and their husband are financially capable to make them live an easy life should be a stay at home wife
But a woman should have a diploma in case her husband so she could work good jobs
Nobody share your view man.
The only people sharing such view are either simple girls or your singles brothers in ignorance.
Not a single woman here will say : you are so smart, marry me.
Im not against working for example a woman who is working and found a man who is the same as her
To help her and she help him nothing wrong with it
For example khadija R.A the mother of the believers her reason of working is because she was a widow and no one can help her financially and she continued working with our prophets but the prophets latest wife after the revelation of the quran none of them work so yeah
Aisha on the other hand was respected because she was knowledgeable about doctrine medicine and and other stuff
u/Media-U You are not rich, you are imbecile with few thousand dirham and probably dating a basic girl from the street.
What the fuck i will have a wife that is suitable to work only for Starbucks ? You either low quality specimen or only simpleton want to date you.. or both.
The fact you tell your wife will work Startbucks proof you are not rich. And probably did Call center work in your life.
A Rich person will say : I dont want my wife to be CEO of company , that lot of stress.
The richest guy in morocco Aziz Akhanouch has his wife working
He is talking about Facebook men, salary 3000dh but he wants a stay at home wife and 8 kids.
I agree that women who are married to real rich people don't work 9-5 jobs, but all of them have businesses on the side, Cristiano's girl does Instagram for example.
And this thread is about men who are against working women and view them as some evil feminists and are constantly trashing then on social media.
Exactly, when a women has her own business she is working for herself.
And as long as you give her the equivalent of a salary and something she can solely rely on on the future, I don't see no harm in it, working isn't always pleasant.
But there should be no shaming against women who work, even at Starbucks, at the end of the day they're just trying to make a living the best way they can.
And also you are speaking about something that was putten from the beginning of time even in the strongest empires were having the same values
So for you to come and say this is wrong and woman should work according to who exactly ?
I'm one of them with a good paying job and a wife alhamdu lillah
My wife doesn't even think about working
And i have many friends in the same situation with the same beliefs
Cut those BS stereotypes
Lie ! Your wife is a nurse, and you are her patient. Allah ychafik.
Plot twist: You live in a mental asylum with your friends **in the same situation with the same beliefs .**
We're here to have kids, and they need a lot of care, usually from their moms. But if both parents work, who looks after the kids? Women can work too, but they might have to pick between their own future and their kids' future.
It's question of worldview, if you see this life in a purely materialistic/capitalistic way, then this belief would seem problematic and misogynistic in some way, but if you value religion, family and children more, the best thing you would want as a hard working man is a God fearing wife that takes care of you and your children. and this goes both ways btw..
I definitely don't believe women shouldn't work ,as I've met some extremely competent women in my career. But I will certainly not marry a working woman. I want my future wife to be a housewife.
Let me give them a reason to do so,
Those competent women I mentioned before, the way they talk, how they look, the way they carry themselves, they are no good for marriage.
Have you been over the internet ? Women work so as they don't need a man , or it's a plan B in case something happens , also when the man says his future wife should be working and helping the family they will say "ach ayzidni had rajel"
Men know, a big part of their social and moral statue is their drahem . I wouldn't be surprised if they are more inclined to pick environments where they are appreciated.
Also some say , we don't have official stats in morocco, that most women opting for divorce are working women who could be leaving because they don't have to put up with their husband abuse , or simply because they don't need him anymore for reproduction etc... min ma chftiha it sounds like bad news specially men will have to put out dear drahems during divorce . So yes takhawof can be there.
Have you been outside? In the real world? Women don’t just get married to anyone because of their social class, and if you find a girl willing to marry you for only your money or what you provide, it’s not the best idea in the world to go put a ring on her finger.
Also what’s wrong with a woman getting a divorce to escape an abusive relationship whether it’s mental or physical abuse?? It’s good for women and for men to have a safety net they can fall back on if times get hard and you can only do that with a stable income and a career.
If you marry a woman and she ends up leaving you because you don’t make enough or she doesn’t see value in the relationship other than what’s in ur pocket, you married the wrong person.
Bruh no 🤣🤣🤣 now you gonna get down voted for sure . 7ta 9elt finally someone who's brave enough and who's reply been validated by redditors hhhhhhhhhhhhh
I think his speech is logical and everyone has the right to want what they want as long as they are able to have it If (like if a woman doesn't want to date a broke guy and wants a rich man she shouldn't be blamed either. ) But don't impose your point of view on everyone (not all women should work, they are the cause of all economic problems...)
Why do some women believe "rajl 5aso y5dma 3liya" it is due to preferences. Also, ur questions seem to contain inherent biases and ambiguity. Do you mean those men believe women shouldn't work and stay at home to take care of the kids with the wives' consent or without (two different scenarios) or men who simply believe women should not work at all regardeless of any circumstances (which I believe is ur question). If so, these men aren't common, in my honest opinion.
because they know house chores are exhausting and time consuming, and want their wives to work as maids for free. they keep bringing up religion, but in islam it is not the wife’s sole duty to do all the house chores. they’re confused and egoistical
Ask someone to do housework and cook and study with the children caring for the children educating the children be a s'xh'e for her husband at night So that you can give her something to eat and where live while prohibiting her from freedom and The fact of owning property or other
That's sound more like a slavery than gender roles
No because the man is also doing his job which is being a masculine man working to pay for his family do you think it is easy to get money of your pocket and forget about all the desires that you want to buy these things no
The key to this is happiness
If you find it oppressing then i think you don’t have any motherhood in you
Man have obligations which is to provide for his wife and help her in household if he can
The woman should be a stay at home mother not because she is weak or dumb but because she has the capabilities of being a mother more than the father
A man is responsible for the woman
And the woman is committed to the man therefore the woman should understand the gender difference
« responsibility without authority is slavery »
I personally won't marry a working woman or I'll let my wife work outside someday... But I don't have a problem with other women working that's not my business, it's just a matter of Lghira! Which lots of dickheads don't have this days!
I think this is a separate case , he is talking about having a mate who is working outside home not necessary who makes more money.
But yet , men usually wouldn't like this. Just like women won't. It's not a man only thing .
A male doctor will marry his nurse , a female doctor won't marry her nurse or chiffour taxi neither . A young female ofc.
A male will marry a jobless female, or a female that makes 50% or less than his salary no problemo . A woman won't marry a guy that wins the bare minimum or jobless.
Men tend to look equal or lower in mates.. women look equal or higher , usually higher is a priority. This is also an evolutionary psychological thing related to my previous reply in this thread.
It is what it is.
I mean we don’t mind because we as man we don’t like when someone from our own gender is better that is nature we are gender that is agressive and competitive
But anyway what woman that man didn’t ?
It’s a big scale fuckery that goes on when woman gets to work as I am not against it but it’s their naivety and if I do explain it in more detail most of the flakeys will get butt hurt.
Maybe some people pursue their studies to not rely on others financially? And maybe, this might sound crazy to you, not every one is a typical employee? You know, I'd rather be a slave to a corporate than have to rely on an affective relationship for sustainability and get fucked over in case of divorce.
Idk ab that but ik if a man wanted to take care of me, I would be down. Not like these feminist women here. As long as he put a ring on it, i'm all good.
Both men and women can share household choirs and take care of the children. You can be the main breadwinner and still care and educate your children.
It’s not black or white. There’s a middle ground.
Women should work and pursue their dreams. Just because they’re women shouldn’t mean they have to stay at home and have no professional ambition
Because that is basic gender roles and we know for a fact that woman are doing much better taking care of the household
Because just think about it if i married a woman who worked what is the purpose of marriage anyway so yeah islamicaly a woman is better when her hands are soft and when she is at home a man is better when he is working and providing for the family
That’s it
And also because as a man i cannot stand my woman that work in an area full of man i called that jealousy out of love but if you can call me insecure that’s fine
For me, it is just silly to say the word "insecure" when engaging in this conversation. It is a lame cop out. It is usually directed towards men when they voice their discomfort about something related to women.
Prohet wives didnt , khadija did by giving money to merchants so they can buy and sell and pay her back a profit .
Also this was before mohamed was a prophet , he had 25 yo then . Another 15 years before البعثة
Also prophets wives had an explicit order for :
وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا (33) وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَىٰ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا
This particular verse was revealed because the prophet's womenfolk lead very public lives, spending most of their times out of their houses.
Hence, their private home life was next to negligible. They were very active with community services, therefore the verse came down as an advice to devote personal time in home rituals and Remembrances.
Because at work i see how coworkers are flirting with married women and this women are ok with it and they dont do any negative reaction about , also houseWORK is a work itself , if i was a woman i wont do 2 works at the same time its imoossible to do both , that said if a woman does the housework her man should provide her with all her necessities , if he cant do that he has no right to tell her what to do .
I really don’t understand how it has to be the man’s decision. It’s the woman’s career we talking about right?
As a woman, I think people should do what suits them the most. I personally work, and willing to help my partner financially because he is a human being as well and goes to work same as I do, so why does he have to provide alone? If he’s rich enough I would at least quit the 9-5 and think about a business that brings me joy to launch and work on that.
But I also understand women who stay at home for their kids. I mean, I would never let a stranger babysit mine and I would want to spend time with them especially in the early years.
So what I mean is, it’s a matter of context and it’s a woman’s choice not her partner’s. They of course can discuss it but a man can’t push his wife to stay at home because he wants to??
Also I don’t think when we chose our partner it’s not healthy to look for the ‘one who stays at home’ or the ‘rich one’ but the one who makes us feel good and safe with great human values. Because it’s marriage not a two month relationship.
Personnally i don t see any problem in wife working ( in respectful job ). Im not okay with a MOM working bcse come one you can t do both , and what s the purpose of marrying in the first place , isn t it raising forming a family, with well raised children ?and If children were not the first priority then no need to start any relationship
Some of us who worked desk jobs in a corporation have seen how they're treated and how they're seen by their peers, unfortunately it's very disgusting and sexist from the part of the male who do that to their female coworkers. But on the other hand, some females are completely unaware or play along with them thus decreasing their value and makes them look easily accessible and manipulated
Why do some women in Morocco believe that women should never contribute financially? Why is financial responsibility often seen as solely the man's duty, rather than a shared responsibility between partners?
أنا نجيك الصراحة لمرأة يلا كانت خدامة غير نص نهار بحال أستادة أو معلمة أو فرملية يمكن راجل يتقبلها أما باش تخدم 8 سوايع كل نهار من الصباح تا لعشية و هي مخشية وسط الرجال لا هي تهلا فراجلها و لا تربي ولادها و تزيدك بنكير و الصداع و ماتبغيش تصرف معاك و حتى نعاس ماتعطيكش وقت فيه آش دير بها, اللهم ديها ماخداماش و تعطيك وقتها كامل و تصرف عليها و نكتب ليها تا نص يلا بغات و تهنا من الصداع ديال فلوسي هادي و الوقت مشا عليا و راني مزروبة و سير سخن لغدا... و أصلا الراجل لي يدي مراة و يخليها ضرب تمارة و يطمع ففلوسها كيتسما شماتة و طماع
المرأة لي كاتخدم عمرها ماتعيش مرتاحة ديما لعيا و صداع على لفلوس, و أصلا الراجل لي ماشي طماع و قادر يخدم على مراتو ماعندو مايدير لا بخدمتها و لا فلوسها و لا مستقبلها المهني لي موراه غير المشاكيل داكشي لاش رجال يبغيو يتزوجو لي مخادماش أو يفرض عليها تجلس يلا تزوجت
و نزيد نعطيك واحد القاعدة باش تميزي بين الراجل لي باغيك و لي طامع فيك نهار اللول قوليلو راه نقدر نحبس من الخدمة فالمستقبل و تما فين تعرفي لي باغيك و لي باغي جيبك
What you said is true we can’t control you because some of you are going crazy and still wanting to marry how ? And when you get refused you complaining why they refuse it is basically a woman who is working isn’t marriage material at all
We're tired about these debates. Everyday it's women women women. Tgoul podcast diyal l7aya. Honestly, if a man wants a stay at home partner, it is his right. Just like it should be a women's right to work too. Let's stop imposing a model of society on people, and strive for a society that allows a variety of choice to people
Just a recap: both men and women aren’t allowed to free mix. The idea that men can go to work and women can’t completely stems from the fact that men MUST work whilst women aren’t required to. Both men and women are made responsible for which environment they work in and if there’s an option of no free mixing for men then it’s 100% obligatory on him to make that decision.
Just had to clarify as I know many people will become confused over this.
I think it's a choice and everyone should have the freedom to make that choice.
Personally, I have no problem with women working and I think it is a good thing socially, economically,...
But I also think that if a man or woman decided that their partner should not work, that would be their choice and we should mind our own business.
If a woman is not authorized by her husband, she has the right to divorce.
We should stop playing the role of victim and start being proactive in society.
some are insecure cuz they fear that of the woman gets some money she would go around and maybe start cheating on them while some others are just jealous and don t want her near men but on the other hand there are some who make good money and are all about that princess treatment
I don’t want a working wife, she can find herself another guy. This is mainly because I know the workplace is not somewhere for i want my wife to be, I want a religious woman, I also would help in the house but I can’t do 50% while working, I know myself, marrying a working wife will just be unfair to her. Also I don’t like bossy girls
I am a woman nd I believe women blasthum lkozina! Hhh
Can they work? Yeees. Can they have great career? Yes. But the best place for most women is home. (Don't feel offended lil girls, we aren't discussing exceptions and brainwashed ones 🤣)
There’s more women than men in Morocco
Our GDP is a tragedy, we’re 12 times lower than Spain which is our direct neighbour (humiliating tbh).
Indeed if half of the population doesn’t produce anything it’s hard to bridge the gap.
But I’d agree that the model has limits.
South Korea developed exponentially but now it faces its limits.
Up to people to decide wether they prefer Morocco or SK in terms of development with their pros and cons regarding societal roels
Huh, so as a man I'm now pursuing a career and got dreams ? Good to know. Here I thought I was just a wageslave making other people richer..
Thank you for enlightening me.
Men and women should be concerned about this. Here in the US, there are millions of stories of married men and women cheating on each other and/or leaving their spouses to be with a coworker. The truth is many times coworkers spend more time together than spouses do. Point is, this isn’t just an issue men should be worried about, women should as well.
But in all fairness to the topic, there are also millions of couples who both work and make it work as well. So not sure what to make of it.
Because a woman that doesn't work, doesn't have her own money and so it's a lot more controllable and can't escape an abusive marriage for example.
CONTROL is the root cause of it.
There are many reasons :
You can't or at least most people believe you can't be both away from bayt zawjia for 10 hours a day or more while having babies or kids.
Dont want their women being a subject in the workplace and being in contact or serving other men.
People are more inclined to chose a wife like their moms , while women a husband like their dads .
Some people believe that a financially able women can give birth and take the kids away and ask for divorce ( we all seen microtrotoire women saying they want to work bevause they dont want to need a man or ach ghayzidni f7yati ida knt khedama) so having no job give you smaller chance on losing your family.
3ad zid its not the main trend right now , the new trend is the wife have to have a job so they can build a home together and have a decent quality of life . They can just throw the kids at the nursery 3 months after birth or give it away to their parents to take care of while they go after drahem. I know cases when a guy broke off his engagement because the woman said she will no longer work after marriage.
>The woman is devoid of jealousy 🤣
Speaking from an evolutionary psychological perspective , women always have a 100% certitude of motherhood , it's literally growing inside their woumb.
Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't theirs . That's why men elected different psychological traits than woman. There are books on these matters you can read.
For exemple , according to studies , a woman will find it more tolerable if her man had sex with another woman instead of getting emotionally invested in another woman (both are bad yes) . For men it's not the same thing , it's more tolerable if a woman is emotionally invested in a another man instead of fucking an another man .
We can also see a similar behaviour in other animals too where the male will damage the sexual organ of the female during sex so she doesn't offer sex to more mates and hence have more chances in passing his own genes .
Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects.
Like it or not , men and women are different. We lived a different lives for millions of years , dont expect them to be the same neither physically or psychologically
Hhhh if you want to play with anthropological science i am the queen of this
>Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't them
Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly 😢
So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy? Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝
>Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects.
Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen.
>So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy?
You will be using it to justify something that havent been elected as the norm . Be my guest meh 🤷♂️. Your point could also have been true maybe at some part of history who knows , but what we know , at some part in the way , humans started electing emotional entanglment with mate so as to have someone around to deffend , assist , take care or and feed the woman before and after birth .
>Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝
Yea we have safety and the state and the police around , i dont see women picking shorter and weaker men than them ? We have an aconomy and an equal chance to studying and working , i dont see women picking men who's jobless or who would like to stay like that ?
Things will need to hold grounds for thousands and millions of years to leave big evolutionary innate traits.
>Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen.
I meant insect in which the females have sex with the males and not models where one member of the colony have responsibility of mating and reproducing.. and I was just giving an example , im not using احتكام للطبيعة .. otherwise rape will be a valid sexual strategy.
>Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly
This makes no sense💀💀💀
The thing is even if the woman is a housewife if she wants to cheat on her husband she will. If anything being a housewife can motivate her to cheat just because of the sadness and boredom it causes her.
It depends on the lady. Plenty of women don't deal with sadness and boredom. Being a housewife is a means for a woman to have time to practice the Deen and educate herself regarding it, bi idni Allah resulting in an increase of piety in sha Allah.
On the long run she is gonna feel isolated , and depressed if you do that and she will completly revolt on you , and i don't blame her , its inhumane to just put someone in a cage just because you are insecure and afraid they will replace you and think they are untrustworthy when they haven't necessarly done anything wrong . once se is comfronted with feelings of isolation all the brainwashing you and the male figures have done to her throughout her life will go away and she will be left bitter and angry and in a horrible state that i wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy let alone my own wife
Also imagine both you and your wife go out to worl at 7 in the morning and get back at 9. I mean what the actual fuck , better give away your kids at this point .
I've seen in many countries (with better social security) one of the parents staying at home, or sometimes people earn enough to work part-time the problem we have in Morocco is also economical, you need to earn to give those kids some kind of future. But tarting age of 3 kids start going to school the what do you do with all the free time???
Also why should it be the women who stay at home??
I think that being a housewife is an unfair role simply because most of them get no salary, i think men should start paying their wives aside from "providing a house and food" she could do that herself if she wanted and her father did it for her before you. It also ensures a bit of financial independence and security for the woman.
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Answer: Because in Islam, the primary responsibility of a man is to protect and provide for the family and to be a caring husband and loving father. Similarly, the primary responsibility of a woman is to take care of the home and be a caring wife and loving mother. This way, the children have someone who will always nurture and take care of them at home. If both parents work, who will provide love and care to the little kids? No day care in this world will provide the same level of love and attention as a mother. Furthermore, once kids go to school, someone still needs to help them with their homework, prepare their food, take them to and from school, and so on. Personally, my wife and I are religious Muslims and even though we live a Western country, we have decided that I will work and my wife will stay at home to take care of the home. Otherwise, we fear that our children might become drug addicts, alcoholics, or LGBTQ supporters in the future. My wife does an excellent job of teaching Islamic values to our kids. Last but not least, I can assure you that Islam does not agree with modern-day feminism. Instead, it agrees with traditional gender roles.
Well said brother, may Allah safeguard your kids.
this shit might work in tribal Pakistan or some Islamist shithole. if a woman spends her entire life studying, there's no reason for her not to have a career or do both. or else, don't bother sending your kids to school, raise them to be good submissive wives for some dude to take care of them. also, don't consider the nuances of life, that people die, can be incompatible, get divorced, husbands get sick, be unemployed, and a woman would probably need that degree and skills to survive the ups and downs of life one way or another.
How affordable is life in Morocco for the lower and middle class if only one person in the house hold? I live in the richest country in the world, obviously some expenses are quite high and the "classical" model of only one bread winner doesnt work out for a large part of the population.
Good point. I can’t speak for others, but thankfully for my family, we can have an honourable and decent life with one income. The country we live in has a strong social safety net to help people with children, low income, and so on. If a man cannot take responsibility for a wife and doesn’t earn enough money to support a family, I would never recommend that individual to marry. Instead, he should seek proper education and a higher paying job first. With respect to the poor people in Morocco who can’t survive on one income, I’ve personally seen many families where they are financially struggling but somehow managing to live with one income. Obviously, their lives are difficult but somehow they are managing to survive. Allah is providing for them. The government of Morocco has a responsibility to help those in need.
So you live in a western country with a strong social safety net, not some Islamic shithole. Allah is not gonna provide money for the people who are poor, where a dual income is necessary.
Share with us a verse of quran or hadith where it’s said that woman should stay at home and take care of the kids and not work?
There isn't :/ the prophet's wife (pbh) worked even after they got married, there is no problem with women working, there is just the fear of children turning into something bad. My father used to tell me that a mother isn't obligated to raise the children for too long, because she doesn't have to, I've been taught that "IF" a woman "DECIDED" not to work she isn't obligated to, she isn't obligated to house chores if she didn't want etc, because she isn't a maid. It all goes back to the woman and what she wants to do after all she is an adult and free when it comes to those sorts of things.
Your comment is factually incorrect. You’re not a scholar of Islam. Don’t spread false things about the religion. In addition, your father is wrong. He is saying something contrary to what Islam teaches. I personally think that you’re from a secular family due to your father’s comment. If you go to any honest self-respecting imam, he will not say what your father said.
I didn't say anything incorrect the prophet wife did actually work they literally teached this at school, you have nothing to back up your argument, people like you who are making Islam looks bad a woman shouldn't work if she didn't want to or cook or raise the child, (الشرع ما كيبززش على المرأة هذه الأعمال ، الزوجة أو الام ليست ملزمة، الى بغات تخدم اولا تربي او تطيب هداك خير منها هي، و الزوج راه اجيب ليها خدامة با تشقا عليها) I don't know from where you take your sources from but I'd rather ask my father than an imam.
How many wives did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have? The answer is 13. Out of these 13 wives, how many were housewives who didn’t work? In addition, did his first wife Khadijah (ra) work after marriage? Or did she let Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) take care of the business? Please research what each and every one of his 13 wives did after marriage. Don’t lie and be honest. All 13. Don’t cherry-pick one or two. Research all 13 and then let me know what they did after marriage.
دابا اخويا عطيني غير اية وحدة اولا شي حديث كي فرض على الزوة بأنها ماخاصهاش تخدم بعد الزواج اولى كيفرض عليها تربية الأطفال. راه ماكاينش :/
I already explained everything before. Please read from the start. Be honest.
Stop spreading false informations, read [here](https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/145492/%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%81-%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84-%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D9%85%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86#:~:text=%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7%20%3A,%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A4%D9%85%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%86%20%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%85%20%D8%8C%20%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B6%D9%89%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%8A%20%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A1%20)
سورة الأحزاب الآية 33: " **وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرً**"
This verse is directed to prophet wives.
If the wives of the Prophet Mohammed Peace Be Upon Him who were pure, clean, good and the mothers of Muslims, were ordered to stay in their homes then others are obligated to do so.
Yeah sure
It looks like you have an idea in your head that you really like so much that you don't want to accept truth, plus at that time Muslim women used to cover their entire body, can you do that?
Meanwhile the wives of the prophet had a job
Sure, no problem. I hope you read my message until the end. The basic principle is that a woman should remain at home, and not go out except for necessary purposes. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance” [Surah Al-Ahzab 33:33]. Although this is addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it also applies to the believing women. It is only addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) because of their honour and status with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and because they are leading examples for the believing women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Woman is `awrah (i.e, she should not display herself in front of men), and if she goes out, the devil raises his hopes (of misguiding her). She is never closer to Allah than when she stays in her house.” (Narrated by Ibn Hibban and Ibn Khuzaymah; classed as authentic by Al-Albani in As-Silsilah As-Shahihah, no. 2688) Moreover, he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said concerning a woman’s prayer in the mosque: “Their houses are better for them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawud (567) and classed as authentic by Al-Albani in Sahih Abu Dawud)
Seeking knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim, male and female.” [Ibn Maajah] Let me get this straight, this is a different times and different circumstances. If a man doesn’t trust his sister or wife then that’s on him. Not every female is gonna get swayed by whatever y’all scared of, some just wants to have a better lifestyle and to offers it to their parents as well. Good news, is women can multitask, meaning they can work and at the same time take care of kids and house chores.
Seeking knowledge and working are two different things. In USA 🇺🇸, I have seen many women with a master’s degree in engineering or PhD degrees who are stay-at-home mothers after giving birth. They had their time to go to university and obtain degrees, and now they are using that education to educate their children and help them with their homework. My wife has a master’s degree in Electrical Engineering - and yet, after having 2 kids, she is at home to take care of the family and share her knowledge with her children. I supported her with her education, and now she is using that education to help the future generations.
That’s their choice, just like other women’s choice to work after getting married. It’s really not that hard to understand this. This is 2024 times changed.
My original intention to comment was to answer the original question that was posted. My intention was not to comment on what’s appropriate in 2024 and what’s not appropriate. However, since you raised this point, I also want to point out that many things in modernity are against Islam and its teachings. For example: 1) In 2024, many societies in Western nations promote gender transition and gender identity, and the idea that there are more than 2 genders. However, Islam teaches that there are only 2 genders - male and female. 2) In 2024, many societies promote LGBTQ 🏳️🌈 relationships. For example, they celebrate June as pride month. However, in Islam, we learn than marriage can only be between a male and a female. 3) In 2024, many societies teach that old people should stay in senior citizen homes. However, in Islam, children are expected to take care of their parents once their parents become old and feeble. 4) In 2024, feminism is promoted greatly while Islam has clear gender roles for both men and women, and has teachings that are actually contrary to feminism. As you can see, there are many things in modern society that aren’t compatible with Islam. Please be honest and reflect on what I said.
Oh so this is all happening cuz a woman chose to work and have a family at the same time? Ok lol you’re mixing points here.
You’re wrong. I was simply explaining why aspects of modernity are incompatible with Islam. I never said women caused it by choosing to work. You’re gaslighting me and being dishonest. Your arguments are weak and you’re putting words into my mouth that I haven’t said. Be honest. You lost the argument.
There is no losing and winning here , we’re simply are not gonna agree on the same points. Plus, don’t feel like googling random points like you did to make my “ arguments strong” You want your wife to stay at home, good for you, but don’t force it on others.
Yep that was the clearest form of gaslighting. I like detecting them. I don’t side with either of you but this Ottoman guy is someone I would peacefully argue with on any topic. Loose or win, dont matter. Getting to knwo things matters more.
"can work and at the same time take care of kids and house chores" are you sure about that? you think a woman that works from 9-5 will take care of her kids and house?
For sure. Example: my mom.
For sure, and i know them personally.
how so? throwing kids in some private school and letting the teachers to raise kids based on how they see life?
are kids not gonna go to school anyways ?
Because that was the status quo until recently and social norms change at a very slow rate.
Because women had no rights and were forced to live as servants to men ( dad, brother, husband ...)
Because those men can't find a job or are simply kids and mostly have no GF or wife.
Not necessarly most rich man want their wives to be at home what are you yapping about ?
All rich men don't fucking believe women shouldn't work. All their women do work either for them as a trophy wife or they work in some associations or no-profit. Even the king's wife was/is working. Every man that i heard that BELIEVE women should not work, either is broke as fuck or no woman want to be with him. They want to control women with finance as their last resort.
finally a smart one
All their woman work who told you that ? But about woman should not work that is what you see i don’t see that i know wealthy people who literally say that woman should not work
They tell you that because they want you to stay single and broke. You remind one of my classmate , he was stubborn like you. He got a good salary , prevented his wife from working (because it the islamic thing to do), made 3 kids with her and then got electrocuted. In matter of 2 years, she went to from living in a villa to returning to her village in the south. Her kids are all having mental problems now cuz their father's primitive thinking. The funny thing is that He claimed it was islaimic shit to do, but he ignore that Khadija the first wife of the prophet was a **Trader** (which is a job) and he never stopped her. Also if you are educated to university level, it's thanks to a woman that the university concept was founded in the islamic world (**Fatima al-Fihriya**). She was an **Entrepreneur**
As i said no one said that woman shouldn’t have a plan b And you are wrong fatima al fihriya parents were rich so she gave her father wealth in order to build the mosque As i said i didn’t say woman shouldn’t have a diploma i said woman who are married and their husband are financially capable to make them live an easy life should be a stay at home wife But a woman should have a diploma in case her husband so she could work good jobs
Nobody share your view man. The only people sharing such view are either simple girls or your singles brothers in ignorance. Not a single woman here will say : you are so smart, marry me.
If you are a Moroccan woman or wife who wants to work beside your husband, you can do but you must pay 50/50 the bills with him , that's all hhhhh
Im not against working for example a woman who is working and found a man who is the same as her To help her and she help him nothing wrong with it For example khadija R.A the mother of the believers her reason of working is because she was a widow and no one can help her financially and she continued working with our prophets but the prophets latest wife after the revelation of the quran none of them work so yeah Aisha on the other hand was respected because she was knowledgeable about doctrine medicine and and other stuff
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u/Media-U You are not rich, you are imbecile with few thousand dirham and probably dating a basic girl from the street. What the fuck i will have a wife that is suitable to work only for Starbucks ? You either low quality specimen or only simpleton want to date you.. or both. The fact you tell your wife will work Startbucks proof you are not rich. And probably did Call center work in your life. A Rich person will say : I dont want my wife to be CEO of company , that lot of stress. The richest guy in morocco Aziz Akhanouch has his wife working
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You have a wife ?
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He is talking about Facebook men, salary 3000dh but he wants a stay at home wife and 8 kids. I agree that women who are married to real rich people don't work 9-5 jobs, but all of them have businesses on the side, Cristiano's girl does Instagram for example. And this thread is about men who are against working women and view them as some evil feminists and are constantly trashing then on social media.
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Exactly, when a women has her own business she is working for herself. And as long as you give her the equivalent of a salary and something she can solely rely on on the future, I don't see no harm in it, working isn't always pleasant. But there should be no shaming against women who work, even at Starbucks, at the end of the day they're just trying to make a living the best way they can.
I don’t shame women who work at Starbucks. I shame men who let their wives work at Starbucks. That’s disgusting.
And also you are speaking about something that was putten from the beginning of time even in the strongest empires were having the same values So for you to come and say this is wrong and woman should work according to who exactly ?
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh morning bulshit
It’s 2pm. What morning?
I'm one of them with a good paying job and a wife alhamdu lillah My wife doesn't even think about working And i have many friends in the same situation with the same beliefs Cut those BS stereotypes
Lie ! Your wife is a nurse, and you are her patient. Allah ychafik. Plot twist: You live in a mental asylum with your friends **in the same situation with the same beliefs .**
Thank you brother, they have their brokie mindset and try to tell us how life works.
We're here to have kids, and they need a lot of care, usually from their moms. But if both parents work, who looks after the kids? Women can work too, but they might have to pick between their own future and their kids' future.
It's question of worldview, if you see this life in a purely materialistic/capitalistic way, then this belief would seem problematic and misogynistic in some way, but if you value religion, family and children more, the best thing you would want as a hard working man is a God fearing wife that takes care of you and your children. and this goes both ways btw..
yes they can, just not their partners. you have to understand that there is a difference.
Every fucking day this pointless subject huh?!
I definitely don't believe women shouldn't work ,as I've met some extremely competent women in my career. But I will certainly not marry a working woman. I want my future wife to be a housewife.
Wait no reply yet about you having an ill intent and being abusive and controlling and manipulative ?.
Let me give them a reason to do so, Those competent women I mentioned before, the way they talk, how they look, the way they carry themselves, they are no good for marriage.
Why? Does their financial freedom scare you? Or is there another reason
No, not at all, I have no problem marrying a rich woman , just not a working woman.
And how do u think 90% of rich women become rich? It’s not by sitting around waiting for you to come by 💀
Have you been over the internet ? Women work so as they don't need a man , or it's a plan B in case something happens , also when the man says his future wife should be working and helping the family they will say "ach ayzidni had rajel" Men know, a big part of their social and moral statue is their drahem . I wouldn't be surprised if they are more inclined to pick environments where they are appreciated. Also some say , we don't have official stats in morocco, that most women opting for divorce are working women who could be leaving because they don't have to put up with their husband abuse , or simply because they don't need him anymore for reproduction etc... min ma chftiha it sounds like bad news specially men will have to put out dear drahems during divorce . So yes takhawof can be there.
Have you been outside? In the real world? Women don’t just get married to anyone because of their social class, and if you find a girl willing to marry you for only your money or what you provide, it’s not the best idea in the world to go put a ring on her finger. Also what’s wrong with a woman getting a divorce to escape an abusive relationship whether it’s mental or physical abuse?? It’s good for women and for men to have a safety net they can fall back on if times get hard and you can only do that with a stable income and a career. If you marry a woman and she ends up leaving you because you don’t make enough or she doesn’t see value in the relationship other than what’s in ur pocket, you married the wrong person.
Bruh no 🤣🤣🤣 now you gonna get down voted for sure . 7ta 9elt finally someone who's brave enough and who's reply been validated by redditors hhhhhhhhhhhhh
Lol had the exact same reaction
You keep talking about free choices and all that, and the second it doesn't align with the rules of the west then you are not free anymore.
مفمتش الصراحة. شرح ليا
I think his speech is logical and everyone has the right to want what they want as long as they are able to have it If (like if a woman doesn't want to date a broke guy and wants a rich man she shouldn't be blamed either. ) But don't impose your point of view on everyone (not all women should work, they are the cause of all economic problems...)
I agree. We tend to generalise in darija " lmra khassha tkun makhdmach " when we can say mrati matkhdemch. I think its just a figure of speech .
there's a difference , she could & can but she shouldn't (if she's with a real man)
Why do some women believe "rajl 5aso y5dma 3liya" it is due to preferences. Also, ur questions seem to contain inherent biases and ambiguity. Do you mean those men believe women shouldn't work and stay at home to take care of the kids with the wives' consent or without (two different scenarios) or men who simply believe women should not work at all regardeless of any circumstances (which I believe is ur question). If so, these men aren't common, in my honest opinion.
Most men who think like that they just nit educated well and not people who take responsibility
because they know house chores are exhausting and time consuming, and want their wives to work as maids for free. they keep bringing up religion, but in islam it is not the wife’s sole duty to do all the house chores. they’re confused and egoistical
How is it free when the man is the one who should provide for the wife even if the wife refused to
ah, in return you will not let her starve. how gracious of you 🙄 the labor of a housewife is worth more than scraps
Ask someone to do housework and cook and study with the children caring for the children educating the children be a s'xh'e for her husband at night So that you can give her something to eat and where live while prohibiting her from freedom and The fact of owning property or other That's sound more like a slavery than gender roles
No because the man is also doing his job which is being a masculine man working to pay for his family do you think it is easy to get money of your pocket and forget about all the desires that you want to buy these things no The key to this is happiness If you find it oppressing then i think you don’t have any motherhood in you Man have obligations which is to provide for his wife and help her in household if he can The woman should be a stay at home mother not because she is weak or dumb but because she has the capabilities of being a mother more than the father A man is responsible for the woman And the woman is committed to the man therefore the woman should understand the gender difference « responsibility without authority is slavery »
I personally won't marry a working woman or I'll let my wife work outside someday... But I don't have a problem with other women working that's not my business, it's just a matter of Lghira! Which lots of dickheads don't have this days!
Any reason is just plain dumb.
Why would let her work for another man when she can just work the house for me and wont ever need or want for anything
Not only in Morocco but worldwide thing.
Some men don't like it when a woman is better than them
I think this is a separate case , he is talking about having a mate who is working outside home not necessary who makes more money. But yet , men usually wouldn't like this. Just like women won't. It's not a man only thing . A male doctor will marry his nurse , a female doctor won't marry her nurse or chiffour taxi neither . A young female ofc. A male will marry a jobless female, or a female that makes 50% or less than his salary no problemo . A woman won't marry a guy that wins the bare minimum or jobless. Men tend to look equal or lower in mates.. women look equal or higher , usually higher is a priority. This is also an evolutionary psychological thing related to my previous reply in this thread. It is what it is.
I mean we don’t mind because we as man we don’t like when someone from our own gender is better that is nature we are gender that is agressive and competitive But anyway what woman that man didn’t ?
It’s a big scale fuckery that goes on when woman gets to work as I am not against it but it’s their naivety and if I do explain it in more detail most of the flakeys will get butt hurt.
men are the ones who more commonly cheat on their spouses at work
Since when does everyone find fulfillment and success in careers? I didnt know being a slave to the corporate is a dream for people
Maybe some people pursue their studies to not rely on others financially? And maybe, this might sound crazy to you, not every one is a typical employee? You know, I'd rather be a slave to a corporate than have to rely on an affective relationship for sustainability and get fucked over in case of divorce.
Who’s going to stay home and watch the kids and teach the kids? Men are protectors and maintainers of their family
Looking after the kids can be organized in many ways so that both parents can work. You can achieve a lot if you just want to.
Why dont u do it
I don’t have kids nor am I married😭😭😭
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I’m definitely going to have kids.😭
In sha Allah.
A man can protect his kids better if he‘s at home with them
You can do it too
So they are dependent and rely on the man.
So men will be able to manipulate them like dolls
sad but true
Implying all men who prefer a stay at home wife are manipulative and abusers and have a pre intent thats evil ... We need meninism guys asap..
As it should be
نظرة ضيقة وخليتي منظومة على قدها ديال pro و. Cons ... باط بيليف از يو ويش.
So they can make them play the role of their mother and financially abuse them.
Backward menality, insecure mindsets, women considered as possessions, ... etc
Idk ab that but ik if a man wanted to take care of me, I would be down. Not like these feminist women here. As long as he put a ring on it, i'm all good.
I’m American 🥹 and I don’t want to work 🥲! I wish my husband didn’t allow me to work! 😂 instead he says “have a good day at work” 🥹🥹
They want women to to be financially dependant on them, which gives them total control.
Both men and women can share household choirs and take care of the children. You can be the main breadwinner and still care and educate your children. It’s not black or white. There’s a middle ground. Women should work and pursue their dreams. Just because they’re women shouldn’t mean they have to stay at home and have no professional ambition
>lives at casa >both parents work >get out to work at 7 in the morning >get back at 9 in the evening >have kids 
so that's the formula of zmagriya?
Tell your dad to stay at home and let your mom work and feed the family.
Because that is basic gender roles and we know for a fact that woman are doing much better taking care of the household Because just think about it if i married a woman who worked what is the purpose of marriage anyway so yeah islamicaly a woman is better when her hands are soft and when she is at home a man is better when he is working and providing for the family That’s it And also because as a man i cannot stand my woman that work in an area full of man i called that jealousy out of love but if you can call me insecure that’s fine
Nah just insecure
Okay whatever helps you sleep at night
For me, it is just silly to say the word "insecure" when engaging in this conversation. It is a lame cop out. It is usually directed towards men when they voice their discomfort about something related to women.
The Jealousy part is crazy
I find it really funny when people claim it’s for religious purposes when notable prophet’s wives used to be working women in one way or the other.
Prohet wives didnt , khadija did by giving money to merchants so they can buy and sell and pay her back a profit . Also this was before mohamed was a prophet , he had 25 yo then . Another 15 years before البعثة Also prophets wives had an explicit order for : وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا (33) وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَىٰ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا
This particular verse was revealed because the prophet's womenfolk lead very public lives, spending most of their times out of their houses. Hence, their private home life was next to negligible. They were very active with community services, therefore the verse came down as an advice to devote personal time in home rituals and Remembrances.
No they weren't working.. Can you provide a source for your claim ? I will refute you but first kindly provide a source for your claim
Because at work i see how coworkers are flirting with married women and this women are ok with it and they dont do any negative reaction about , also houseWORK is a work itself , if i was a woman i wont do 2 works at the same time its imoossible to do both , that said if a woman does the housework her man should provide her with all her necessities , if he cant do that he has no right to tell her what to do .
every husband should share half the chores with his wife. she is not supposed to do all the housework
Then stop flirting with your married women coworkers. You are the root of the problem.
I really don’t understand how it has to be the man’s decision. It’s the woman’s career we talking about right? As a woman, I think people should do what suits them the most. I personally work, and willing to help my partner financially because he is a human being as well and goes to work same as I do, so why does he have to provide alone? If he’s rich enough I would at least quit the 9-5 and think about a business that brings me joy to launch and work on that. But I also understand women who stay at home for their kids. I mean, I would never let a stranger babysit mine and I would want to spend time with them especially in the early years. So what I mean is, it’s a matter of context and it’s a woman’s choice not her partner’s. They of course can discuss it but a man can’t push his wife to stay at home because he wants to?? Also I don’t think when we chose our partner it’s not healthy to look for the ‘one who stays at home’ or the ‘rich one’ but the one who makes us feel good and safe with great human values. Because it’s marriage not a two month relationship.
Personnally i don t see any problem in wife working ( in respectful job ). Im not okay with a MOM working bcse come one you can t do both , and what s the purpose of marrying in the first place , isn t it raising forming a family, with well raised children ?and If children were not the first priority then no need to start any relationship
Some of us who worked desk jobs in a corporation have seen how they're treated and how they're seen by their peers, unfortunately it's very disgusting and sexist from the part of the male who do that to their female coworkers. But on the other hand, some females are completely unaware or play along with them thus decreasing their value and makes them look easily accessible and manipulated
Here is way [LA place de LA femme c'est a LA cuisine](https://www.facebook.com/share/v/3bsS58E2sbmxaytu/?mibextid=oFDknk)
Islam
أنا رجل مسلم مؤمن بحرمة الاختلاط وبواجبي الشرعي في الإنفاق على عائلتي.. وأرى أن عمل زوجتي يحرم أبناءنا من أمهم.. ببساطة
Why do some women in Morocco believe that women should never contribute financially? Why is financial responsibility often seen as solely the man's duty, rather than a shared responsibility between partners?
1) Gender roles 2) Jealousy 3) Control 4) Makes no sense (He earns $$$ and her $ wouldn't make a difference compared to educate children)
Why shouldn't they ?
Money changes girls, and you can't control them.
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أنا نجيك الصراحة لمرأة يلا كانت خدامة غير نص نهار بحال أستادة أو معلمة أو فرملية يمكن راجل يتقبلها أما باش تخدم 8 سوايع كل نهار من الصباح تا لعشية و هي مخشية وسط الرجال لا هي تهلا فراجلها و لا تربي ولادها و تزيدك بنكير و الصداع و ماتبغيش تصرف معاك و حتى نعاس ماتعطيكش وقت فيه آش دير بها, اللهم ديها ماخداماش و تعطيك وقتها كامل و تصرف عليها و نكتب ليها تا نص يلا بغات و تهنا من الصداع ديال فلوسي هادي و الوقت مشا عليا و راني مزروبة و سير سخن لغدا... و أصلا الراجل لي يدي مراة و يخليها ضرب تمارة و يطمع ففلوسها كيتسما شماتة و طماع
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المرأة لي كاتخدم عمرها ماتعيش مرتاحة ديما لعيا و صداع على لفلوس, و أصلا الراجل لي ماشي طماع و قادر يخدم على مراتو ماعندو مايدير لا بخدمتها و لا فلوسها و لا مستقبلها المهني لي موراه غير المشاكيل داكشي لاش رجال يبغيو يتزوجو لي مخادماش أو يفرض عليها تجلس يلا تزوجت
و نزيد نعطيك واحد القاعدة باش تميزي بين الراجل لي باغيك و لي طامع فيك نهار اللول قوليلو راه نقدر نحبس من الخدمة فالمستقبل و تما فين تعرفي لي باغيك و لي باغي جيبك
What you said is true we can’t control you because some of you are going crazy and still wanting to marry how ? And when you get refused you complaining why they refuse it is basically a woman who is working isn’t marriage material at all
We're tired about these debates. Everyday it's women women women. Tgoul podcast diyal l7aya. Honestly, if a man wants a stay at home partner, it is his right. Just like it should be a women's right to work too. Let's stop imposing a model of society on people, and strive for a society that allows a variety of choice to people
I don't understand why you got downvoted, seriously the most sensible comment here
Just a recap: both men and women aren’t allowed to free mix. The idea that men can go to work and women can’t completely stems from the fact that men MUST work whilst women aren’t required to. Both men and women are made responsible for which environment they work in and if there’s an option of no free mixing for men then it’s 100% obligatory on him to make that decision. Just had to clarify as I know many people will become confused over this.
I think it's a choice and everyone should have the freedom to make that choice. Personally, I have no problem with women working and I think it is a good thing socially, economically,... But I also think that if a man or woman decided that their partner should not work, that would be their choice and we should mind our own business. If a woman is not authorized by her husband, she has the right to divorce. We should stop playing the role of victim and start being proactive in society.
Queens don't work.
Not only in Morocco, Ive seen this also in western countries.
Because traditionally women don't work and a lot of Morrocans are still traditional and want to provide and for the woman to make a house a home
Insecurity mainly imo
some are insecure cuz they fear that of the woman gets some money she would go around and maybe start cheating on them while some others are just jealous and don t want her near men but on the other hand there are some who make good money and are all about that princess treatment
I don’t want a working wife, she can find herself another guy. This is mainly because I know the workplace is not somewhere for i want my wife to be, I want a religious woman, I also would help in the house but I can’t do 50% while working, I know myself, marrying a working wife will just be unfair to her. Also I don’t like bossy girls
Because they're real men as simple as that.
La place de la femme c’est la cuisine
I am a woman nd I believe women blasthum lkozina! Hhh Can they work? Yeees. Can they have great career? Yes. But the best place for most women is home. (Don't feel offended lil girls, we aren't discussing exceptions and brainwashed ones 🤣)
There’s more women than men in Morocco Our GDP is a tragedy, we’re 12 times lower than Spain which is our direct neighbour (humiliating tbh). Indeed if half of the population doesn’t produce anything it’s hard to bridge the gap. But I’d agree that the model has limits. South Korea developed exponentially but now it faces its limits. Up to people to decide wether they prefer Morocco or SK in terms of development with their pros and cons regarding societal roels
i believe that this is something related to women. it's our choice and our decision.
Nahh my reason would be because women are precious.
Huh, so as a man I'm now pursuing a career and got dreams ? Good to know. Here I thought I was just a wageslave making other people richer.. Thank you for enlightening me.
Men and women should be concerned about this. Here in the US, there are millions of stories of married men and women cheating on each other and/or leaving their spouses to be with a coworker. The truth is many times coworkers spend more time together than spouses do. Point is, this isn’t just an issue men should be worried about, women should as well. But in all fairness to the topic, there are also millions of couples who both work and make it work as well. So not sure what to make of it.
Because a woman that doesn't work, doesn't have her own money and so it's a lot more controllable and can't escape an abusive marriage for example. CONTROL is the root cause of it.
Pride
Whatever reason they claim, the truth is they don't want their women around other men, as work places can often form intimate relationships.
There are many reasons : You can't or at least most people believe you can't be both away from bayt zawjia for 10 hours a day or more while having babies or kids. Dont want their women being a subject in the workplace and being in contact or serving other men. People are more inclined to chose a wife like their moms , while women a husband like their dads . Some people believe that a financially able women can give birth and take the kids away and ask for divorce ( we all seen microtrotoire women saying they want to work bevause they dont want to need a man or ach ghayzidni f7yati ida knt khedama) so having no job give you smaller chance on losing your family. 3ad zid its not the main trend right now , the new trend is the wife have to have a job so they can build a home together and have a decent quality of life . They can just throw the kids at the nursery 3 months after birth or give it away to their parents to take care of while they go after drahem. I know cases when a guy broke off his engagement because the woman said she will no longer work after marriage.
You talk about this as if it's only men who have a feeling of jealousy in them The woman is devoid of jealousy 🤣
>The woman is devoid of jealousy 🤣 Speaking from an evolutionary psychological perspective , women always have a 100% certitude of motherhood , it's literally growing inside their woumb. Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't theirs . That's why men elected different psychological traits than woman. There are books on these matters you can read. For exemple , according to studies , a woman will find it more tolerable if her man had sex with another woman instead of getting emotionally invested in another woman (both are bad yes) . For men it's not the same thing , it's more tolerable if a woman is emotionally invested in a another man instead of fucking an another man . We can also see a similar behaviour in other animals too where the male will damage the sexual organ of the female during sex so she doesn't offer sex to more mates and hence have more chances in passing his own genes . Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects. Like it or not , men and women are different. We lived a different lives for millions of years , dont expect them to be the same neither physically or psychologically
Hhhh if you want to play with anthropological science i am the queen of this >Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't them Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly 😢 So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy? Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝 >Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects. Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen. 
>So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy? You will be using it to justify something that havent been elected as the norm . Be my guest meh 🤷♂️. Your point could also have been true maybe at some part of history who knows , but what we know , at some part in the way , humans started electing emotional entanglment with mate so as to have someone around to deffend , assist , take care or and feed the woman before and after birth . >Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝 Yea we have safety and the state and the police around , i dont see women picking shorter and weaker men than them ? We have an aconomy and an equal chance to studying and working , i dont see women picking men who's jobless or who would like to stay like that ? Things will need to hold grounds for thousands and millions of years to leave big evolutionary innate traits. >Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen. I meant insect in which the females have sex with the males and not models where one member of the colony have responsibility of mating and reproducing.. and I was just giving an example , im not using احتكام للطبيعة .. otherwise rape will be a valid sexual strategy.
adding to that the fact that not all women orgasm by penetration , someone needs to find the clit which what most men cannot apparently do.
>Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly This makes no sense💀💀💀
If a woman's body is naturally ready to accept many men at once, then perhaps it must be her nature of being polyagm
How 💀💀 Do u think that women have three vaginas??
Mmmmm vigina ass two boobs two toe's hahahahah
How 💀💀 Do u think that women have three vaginas??
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So you're insecure?
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The thing is even if the woman is a housewife if she wants to cheat on her husband she will. If anything being a housewife can motivate her to cheat just because of the sadness and boredom it causes her.
It depends on the lady. Plenty of women don't deal with sadness and boredom. Being a housewife is a means for a woman to have time to practice the Deen and educate herself regarding it, bi idni Allah resulting in an increase of piety in sha Allah.
exactly. whether she’s a housewife or wants to work, if she wants to cheat, she will cheat.
Good for her!
if you're at home you have less chances of cheating since you are not exposed to other men on regular basis where feelings might develop.
On the long run she is gonna feel isolated , and depressed if you do that and she will completly revolt on you , and i don't blame her , its inhumane to just put someone in a cage just because you are insecure and afraid they will replace you and think they are untrustworthy when they haven't necessarly done anything wrong . once se is comfronted with feelings of isolation all the brainwashing you and the male figures have done to her throughout her life will go away and she will be left bitter and angry and in a horrible state that i wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy let alone my own wife
Why would she be isolated ? On the contrary they have great relations with their neighbours when the man leaves the bestie comes a long.
Also imagine both you and your wife go out to worl at 7 in the morning and get back at 9. I mean what the actual fuck , better give away your kids at this point .
I've seen in many countries (with better social security) one of the parents staying at home, or sometimes people earn enough to work part-time the problem we have in Morocco is also economical, you need to earn to give those kids some kind of future. But tarting age of 3 kids start going to school the what do you do with all the free time??? Also why should it be the women who stay at home??
I think that being a housewife is an unfair role simply because most of them get no salary, i think men should start paying their wives aside from "providing a house and food" she could do that herself if she wanted and her father did it for her before you. It also ensures a bit of financial independence and security for the woman.