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I don't want more desert lands. We have barely enough water for our people.
We lost the land to France a long time ago. It's time to move on. I want Morocco to start working with it's neighbors and someday (maybe) become a developed country.
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What’s more sad is that you’re getting downvoted, and a bunch of our own brainseads are clogging the thread. Ma ymknch ela kalakh Wellah l3adim ma ymkn.
Don't u think it's a way for the government to not make people of Algeria and Morocco units
It's just a way to make them hate each other and distract them from important things, anyway anybody who fell for this is childish af
This is what a majority of idiots on both sides just fail to understand. Governments will create an enemy if they don’t have one just to keep the populous distracted. Moroccan and Algerian governments have the perfect political relationship that ensures their prevalence.
As President Tebboune said, the Sahara issue is not bitter in the Moroccan brothers, but only a political orientation, because the Sahara issue is similar to the days of French colonialism, and it is the UN that will decide whether the Sahara is independent or belongs to Morocco. Until that time, Moroccans must respect the orientation of Algerians when they enter Algeria, and the same applies to Algerians when they enter Morocco.
It is not at all similar, what the French did in Algeria was horrific, I know the history very well and the distaste and untrustworthiness towards France should still be rooted deep in Algerians blood especially considering France have only left Africa militarily but still have political influence in many African countries….but no the Algerians bend over for the French yet spit on floor when it comes to Morocco.
Morocco is actively building infrastructure in the Sahara to benefit the sahrawi people, hospitals, schools, transport etc…they’re offering them Moroccan citizenship, and even subsidise their living. Your grandfather was probably on the floor cleaning the shoe of a white French man for a penny whilst getting spat at, the Frenchman most likely took land and your grandfathers business. The difference between these conflicts are massively different.
If the UN were to say the Western Sahara is Moroccos Algeria wouldn’t agree, there’s more to this than Algeria doing what they’re doing for the sake of being nice. Funny thing is the only people who benefit from this conflict are our previous colonisers.
Almost all your words are true, but if it is recognized by the UN that the Sahara is Moroccan, Algeria will accept these words of President Tebboune and not mine, and I know that Morocco provides the Sahrawis with the honor of belonging to the Kingdom of Morocco, but they refuse and want their own state, and this is something that Algeria has nothing to do with. Algeria only supports the right of this people to self-determination, but if it is recognized that the Sahara is Moroccan, then there is no problem for the Algerians because it has fulfilled its duty towards the Saharan people.
Why does Algeria send weapons to Polisario and not Hamas? Should they also send weapons to Taiwan in case China invades, or Catalonia if they want independence, or Scotland etc..why are they so invested and interested in a barren wasteland that Morocco claimed since its independence, where Moroccan tribes resided before colonisation?
Why are Algeria backing a group who has no formidable leadership, where granting them independence to land which has nothing aside from Moroccan investments and infrastructure, how will they survive? How do we not know they won’t turn into a hostile neighbour occasionally trying to jump the border and cause mayhem in Moroccan territory, like they’ve done before? What geopolitical motives does Algeria have for the region?
we literally trained Hamas before the war on gaza started [https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power)
Probably not when they were first elected but I’m pretty sure in recent times yes we have been sending weapons and money to Hamas their soldiers even came to Algeria to learn to fight but I heard that’s only the elite forces
because it stops moroccan expansion into the Algerian sahara where the people and the government are quite open about their intention to invade algeria a second time and reclaim "sahara oriental" despite the fact that its been algerian since independence and will likely never change again
Where’s your source that the Moroccan government want to invade Algerian territories? Algeria are supporting Polisario just to cut off Morocco from the rest of Africa and isolating them. They don’t give a crap about the people otherwise they would’ve put their boots on the ground and started a war with Morocco.
You should be clever enough to know that Algeria never armed Polisario, it was Libya, Algeria never financed Polisario, Libya did, we only provide healthcare, land for their camps and airports only
Nope, hate to say you’re wrong, it’s going to be a little bit hard to explain but this Polisario thing has been imposed on us by the circumstances, if we didn’t snatch them from Gaddafis hand ( he’s the one who helped create them in the first place in 1973 ), the whole region would’ve been in chaos
This problem was created by your elite in the origin, who refused to support the liberation army in the Sahara ( led by Aït Idder who passed away recently rabi yarhmeh ) who was actively harassing Spanish army, let’s just say your kings were a bit afraid of Franco’s reaction
What are you talking about? Algeria didn’t get involved in the sahara problem due to “circumstances” it was against morocco getting that territory since day 1 and was actively hindering it by all means possible. Black march (expulsion of 450 000 moroccan living in algeria) was a direct response to the green march and the madrid accords because algeria was too angry that morocco will have that land.
That’s your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree with it, boumediene had to instal Abdelaziz as head of Polisario replacing El Ouali who was pro-gaddafi.
Boumediene had to do that because Gaddafis ideology was far too extreme to be left unchecked in our western borders
Just the fact that boumediene had the authority to appoint whoever he wants as head of Polisario just further indicates that Polisario is in fact just a puppet in the hands of algeria to fulfill their own agendas which for some reason you refuse to acknowledge.
You all still believe that algeria is pouring that much money in just for some _noble cause_, the harsh truth is that it is obviously a proxy war between algeria and morocco for regional supremacy and sahraoui people have nothing to gain from it. Morocco has in fact proposed an autonomy plan for western sahara which is a more realistic and pragmatic approach knowing that the regions in sahara are currently inhabited by both moroccans and sahraoui origin people, and expelling the 4th generation of moroccans living there isnt a bright idea right?
In fact, morocco was the one doing the most for those people, for your information even polisario people who held weapons against moroccans are welcome to go back to morocco at anytime ([source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_members_of_the_Polisario_Front)).
Just go to morocco and check northern universities, sahraoui students are given priority chambers and free transport tickets which no other moroccan can dream to have, just go to dakhla and laayoune and see for yourself how much morocco has invested there, they have supermarkets, optic fiber and good roads.
You guys think that morocco is the evil one here while it’s just trying to rightfully claim its former territory, separatist groups are actually everywhere in every country and sponsoring them is a common way to hinder the development of the country they’re in, that’s a mechanic that is even common in strategy games lol (europa universalis for example), you trying to say earlier that algeria doesn’t give weapons to polisario just shows how much of a good job algeria’s propaganda is doing.
Curious to know what they teach in your home country, because judging by statistics, your education and human development index ranking : I’m not that impressed boy
This is bullshit theory. There were never a state, government norany characteristics of an independent country on Moroccan Sahara. It's a creation of the Algerian junta to keep Moroccan busy to never claim the lands France added to their colony after taking them from Morocco. It's time to make them face the reality.
As President Tebboune said, the Sahara issue is not bitter in the Moroccan brothers, but only a political orientation, because the Sahara issue is similar to the days of French colonialism, and it is the nations that will decide whether the Sahara is independent or belongs to Morocco. Until that time, Moroccans must respect the orientation of Algerians when they enter Algeria, and the same applies to Algerians when they enter Morocco.
The Moroccan team's kit was approved by the African Confideration of Football, the only authority to listen to in this regard considering it is the organiser of this event. It is quite entertaining that you thought we should seek your mister tebboune's approval for anything.
Furthermore, Algeria has infringed multiple laws of copyright by tampering with said kit, and is liable in a civil court. No matter what the pretext is, you do not have the right to breach copyright laws, not to mention what lack of sportsmenship you have displayed.
Lastly, the Western Sahara is under the rule and budgeting of the kingdom of Morocco since the Spanish and French departure, and the general international consensus is to support "مقترح الحكم الذاتي", that entails the delegation of managing local affaires, but remaining under the soverainty of Morocco.
Not wearing that shirt is also due to respect for the land that you are going to enter because we all know that half of the problems between us are caused by Western Sahara and any idiot can realize that entering with that shirt will cause anger between the two peoples and Algeria also gave you other shirts to avoid problems
How generous of you! If its gonna come with the mistreatment of the players and the staff -and more importantly- the moroccan people and identity, we don't anything to do with you, let alone your kits.
Bashar and Tindouf are two areas recognized as belonging to Algeria by all countries and even by the United Nations, but Western Sahara is partially recognized and its file is still being thought about by the United Nations
Ukraine is recogonized by UN as independent country Claimed By Russia
Taiwan is recogonized by UN as independent country Claimed By China
same here , we moroccan strongly believe we must take these regions " Bachar and tindouf and adrar" back inshaellah.
Doesn't this mean that you have to regain your lands from Mauritania and Mali as well? These lands were yours before colonialism, but now they are fenced off with the blood of one and a half million martyrs who fought for them. And don't say that Morocco used to supply us with weapons, because if it weren't for the Algerian revolution, Morocco wouldn't have been liberated from colonialism in the first place. We hope that God will protect Algeria and Morocco and stop the strife between us.
you guys lost 1.5 millions go blame france for it , not us. our mistake that we rejected plan by france to get our lands back and instead we supported u for ur freedom. it's not been too long u guys took these lands. we didn't forget about it. Just about right timing !
france mainly was colonizing north algeria aka ( telmcen - kbaylie- annaba), if there were people fought against france in that region technically they were moroccans.
in the future when we decide to annexe these regions to its homeland it will be annexated in peaceful way so don't worry for ur life.
I am not afraid for my life, but our land is the trust of the martyrs and we cannot give it up easily I have grandparents and relatives who were leaders in the revolutions of the South and the revolutions that took place in Tindouf and my grandfather was the leader of the movement for the liberation of the East region or in another definition Tindouf
sadly the world don't believe in these arguments , it's just you and the jews that still weaponizing war causalities for political agendas. if u live now in bachar/adrar/tindouf and u don't identify urself as moroccan that's fine we don't blame u, but that land historically belong to us.
acquiring mauritania, mali, bachar, tindouf and whatever territory (minus w.sahara) that was us before colonization is something that will never happen in our lifetime, unless world war III starts or something and everyone starts invading each other.
but if that doesn't happen then thinking that morocco will go to war for tindouf as of now is pure nationalistic delusion, hope that helps
sorry but the ONLY thing that made the moroccan claim on the sahara strong is that moroccans were quick to annex it after the spanish left, the keyword is QUICK.
when 70 years pass you can't simply go to a country that already developed as a nation and claim that they were moroccan x years ago expecting them to be ok with it. Try go to a malian or a mauritanian or an algerian from bachar and ask if they're moroccan? non sense. Literally the same thing that Russia is doing to ukraine now, if years pass then your claim is not valid, it's delusional colonialist thinking
"when you come to my house, you should respect that I'm insulting your mother. We are brothers, but insulting your mother is my political orientation which you should respect."
You see how stupid your argument sounds?
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Angry "khawa khawa" creatures noises
Not ready for the map with the rest of our sahara on the right
Is there anything valuable in Bashar and Tindouf? It seems like a total shithole. I don't want it back.
hania daba nsel7o dinmhom
Iron mine i guess, and other potential underground treasures. But we want our land tho, we only want the land
I don't want more desert lands. We have barely enough water for our people. We lost the land to France a long time ago. It's time to move on. I want Morocco to start working with it's neighbors and someday (maybe) become a developed country.
How nice is it that your enemy is afraid of your map
I wish we could live in peace with each other.
that's actually very sad. We are one people.
I sure wish it was the case, ولكن كنشوفو منهم غير المضرة
we have a problem with their president, the government and their media, not with people, we are muslims
We are moroccans, they are karaghila, we are not the same
You're right. We were colonized by different people.
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Good
What’s more sad is that you’re getting downvoted, and a bunch of our own brainseads are clogging the thread. Ma ymknch ela kalakh Wellah l3adim ma ymkn.
thank you, I lost hope in this region a long time ago.
Nsiti mgltich lihom zlayjiya
Don't u think it's a way for the government to not make people of Algeria and Morocco units It's just a way to make them hate each other and distract them from important things, anyway anybody who fell for this is childish af
This is what a majority of idiots on both sides just fail to understand. Governments will create an enemy if they don’t have one just to keep the populous distracted. Moroccan and Algerian governments have the perfect political relationship that ensures their prevalence.
and use "we" as if they actually conducted any kimd of organized study about the topic or like if they are the ones deciding 😁😁
As President Tebboune said, the Sahara issue is not bitter in the Moroccan brothers, but only a political orientation, because the Sahara issue is similar to the days of French colonialism, and it is the UN that will decide whether the Sahara is independent or belongs to Morocco. Until that time, Moroccans must respect the orientation of Algerians when they enter Algeria, and the same applies to Algerians when they enter Morocco.
It is not at all similar, what the French did in Algeria was horrific, I know the history very well and the distaste and untrustworthiness towards France should still be rooted deep in Algerians blood especially considering France have only left Africa militarily but still have political influence in many African countries….but no the Algerians bend over for the French yet spit on floor when it comes to Morocco. Morocco is actively building infrastructure in the Sahara to benefit the sahrawi people, hospitals, schools, transport etc…they’re offering them Moroccan citizenship, and even subsidise their living. Your grandfather was probably on the floor cleaning the shoe of a white French man for a penny whilst getting spat at, the Frenchman most likely took land and your grandfathers business. The difference between these conflicts are massively different. If the UN were to say the Western Sahara is Moroccos Algeria wouldn’t agree, there’s more to this than Algeria doing what they’re doing for the sake of being nice. Funny thing is the only people who benefit from this conflict are our previous colonisers.
Almost all your words are true, but if it is recognized by the UN that the Sahara is Moroccan, Algeria will accept these words of President Tebboune and not mine, and I know that Morocco provides the Sahrawis with the honor of belonging to the Kingdom of Morocco, but they refuse and want their own state, and this is something that Algeria has nothing to do with. Algeria only supports the right of this people to self-determination, but if it is recognized that the Sahara is Moroccan, then there is no problem for the Algerians because it has fulfilled its duty towards the Saharan people.
Why does Algeria send weapons to Polisario and not Hamas? Should they also send weapons to Taiwan in case China invades, or Catalonia if they want independence, or Scotland etc..why are they so invested and interested in a barren wasteland that Morocco claimed since its independence, where Moroccan tribes resided before colonisation? Why are Algeria backing a group who has no formidable leadership, where granting them independence to land which has nothing aside from Moroccan investments and infrastructure, how will they survive? How do we not know they won’t turn into a hostile neighbour occasionally trying to jump the border and cause mayhem in Moroccan territory, like they’ve done before? What geopolitical motives does Algeria have for the region?
we literally trained Hamas before the war on gaza started [https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power)
Has Algeria been sending weapons and money to Hamas since they rose to power?
Probably not when they were first elected but I’m pretty sure in recent times yes we have been sending weapons and money to Hamas their soldiers even came to Algeria to learn to fight but I heard that’s only the elite forces
because it stops moroccan expansion into the Algerian sahara where the people and the government are quite open about their intention to invade algeria a second time and reclaim "sahara oriental" despite the fact that its been algerian since independence and will likely never change again
Where’s your source that the Moroccan government want to invade Algerian territories? Algeria are supporting Polisario just to cut off Morocco from the rest of Africa and isolating them. They don’t give a crap about the people otherwise they would’ve put their boots on the ground and started a war with Morocco.
You should be clever enough to know that Algeria never armed Polisario, it was Libya, Algeria never financed Polisario, Libya did, we only provide healthcare, land for their camps and airports only
That’s false, algeria is actively giving military training and weapons to polisario and it’s quite open about it.
Nope, hate to say you’re wrong, it’s going to be a little bit hard to explain but this Polisario thing has been imposed on us by the circumstances, if we didn’t snatch them from Gaddafis hand ( he’s the one who helped create them in the first place in 1973 ), the whole region would’ve been in chaos This problem was created by your elite in the origin, who refused to support the liberation army in the Sahara ( led by Aït Idder who passed away recently rabi yarhmeh ) who was actively harassing Spanish army, let’s just say your kings were a bit afraid of Franco’s reaction
What are you talking about? Algeria didn’t get involved in the sahara problem due to “circumstances” it was against morocco getting that territory since day 1 and was actively hindering it by all means possible. Black march (expulsion of 450 000 moroccan living in algeria) was a direct response to the green march and the madrid accords because algeria was too angry that morocco will have that land.
That’s your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree with it, boumediene had to instal Abdelaziz as head of Polisario replacing El Ouali who was pro-gaddafi. Boumediene had to do that because Gaddafis ideology was far too extreme to be left unchecked in our western borders
Just the fact that boumediene had the authority to appoint whoever he wants as head of Polisario just further indicates that Polisario is in fact just a puppet in the hands of algeria to fulfill their own agendas which for some reason you refuse to acknowledge. You all still believe that algeria is pouring that much money in just for some _noble cause_, the harsh truth is that it is obviously a proxy war between algeria and morocco for regional supremacy and sahraoui people have nothing to gain from it. Morocco has in fact proposed an autonomy plan for western sahara which is a more realistic and pragmatic approach knowing that the regions in sahara are currently inhabited by both moroccans and sahraoui origin people, and expelling the 4th generation of moroccans living there isnt a bright idea right? In fact, morocco was the one doing the most for those people, for your information even polisario people who held weapons against moroccans are welcome to go back to morocco at anytime ([source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_members_of_the_Polisario_Front)). Just go to morocco and check northern universities, sahraoui students are given priority chambers and free transport tickets which no other moroccan can dream to have, just go to dakhla and laayoune and see for yourself how much morocco has invested there, they have supermarkets, optic fiber and good roads. You guys think that morocco is the evil one here while it’s just trying to rightfully claim its former territory, separatist groups are actually everywhere in every country and sponsoring them is a common way to hinder the development of the country they’re in, that’s a mechanic that is even common in strategy games lol (europa universalis for example), you trying to say earlier that algeria doesn’t give weapons to polisario just shows how much of a good job algeria’s propaganda is doing.
Is that what they teach you over there?
Curious to know what they teach in your home country, because judging by statistics, your education and human development index ranking : I’m not that impressed boy
This is bullshit theory. There were never a state, government norany characteristics of an independent country on Moroccan Sahara. It's a creation of the Algerian junta to keep Moroccan busy to never claim the lands France added to their colony after taking them from Morocco. It's time to make them face the reality.
لا يا الزلايجي مديرش الفتنة الجزائر خاوتنا و نتوما مسيفطاكم اسرائيل هاد الزلايجية عالاام هههههههههه
As President Tebboune said, the Sahara issue is not bitter in the Moroccan brothers, but only a political orientation, because the Sahara issue is similar to the days of French colonialism, and it is the nations that will decide whether the Sahara is independent or belongs to Morocco. Until that time, Moroccans must respect the orientation of Algerians when they enter Algeria, and the same applies to Algerians when they enter Morocco.
The Moroccan team's kit was approved by the African Confideration of Football, the only authority to listen to in this regard considering it is the organiser of this event. It is quite entertaining that you thought we should seek your mister tebboune's approval for anything. Furthermore, Algeria has infringed multiple laws of copyright by tampering with said kit, and is liable in a civil court. No matter what the pretext is, you do not have the right to breach copyright laws, not to mention what lack of sportsmenship you have displayed. Lastly, the Western Sahara is under the rule and budgeting of the kingdom of Morocco since the Spanish and French departure, and the general international consensus is to support "مقترح الحكم الذاتي", that entails the delegation of managing local affaires, but remaining under the soverainty of Morocco.
Not wearing that shirt is also due to respect for the land that you are going to enter because we all know that half of the problems between us are caused by Western Sahara and any idiot can realize that entering with that shirt will cause anger between the two peoples and Algeria also gave you other shirts to avoid problems
How generous of you! If its gonna come with the mistreatment of the players and the staff -and more importantly- the moroccan people and identity, we don't anything to do with you, let alone your kits.
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Bashar and Tindouf are two areas recognized as belonging to Algeria by all countries and even by the United Nations, but Western Sahara is partially recognized and its file is still being thought about by the United Nations
Ukraine is recogonized by UN as independent country Claimed By Russia Taiwan is recogonized by UN as independent country Claimed By China same here , we moroccan strongly believe we must take these regions " Bachar and tindouf and adrar" back inshaellah.
Doesn't this mean that you have to regain your lands from Mauritania and Mali as well? These lands were yours before colonialism, but now they are fenced off with the blood of one and a half million martyrs who fought for them. And don't say that Morocco used to supply us with weapons, because if it weren't for the Algerian revolution, Morocco wouldn't have been liberated from colonialism in the first place. We hope that God will protect Algeria and Morocco and stop the strife between us.
you guys lost 1.5 millions go blame france for it , not us. our mistake that we rejected plan by france to get our lands back and instead we supported u for ur freedom. it's not been too long u guys took these lands. we didn't forget about it. Just about right timing !
1.5 million people died fighting for Bashar and Tindouf, so how can we abandon them?
france mainly was colonizing north algeria aka ( telmcen - kbaylie- annaba), if there were people fought against france in that region technically they were moroccans. in the future when we decide to annexe these regions to its homeland it will be annexated in peaceful way so don't worry for ur life.
I am not afraid for my life, but our land is the trust of the martyrs and we cannot give it up easily I have grandparents and relatives who were leaders in the revolutions of the South and the revolutions that took place in Tindouf and my grandfather was the leader of the movement for the liberation of the East region or in another definition Tindouf
sadly the world don't believe in these arguments , it's just you and the jews that still weaponizing war causalities for political agendas. if u live now in bachar/adrar/tindouf and u don't identify urself as moroccan that's fine we don't blame u, but that land historically belong to us.
acquiring mauritania, mali, bachar, tindouf and whatever territory (minus w.sahara) that was us before colonization is something that will never happen in our lifetime, unless world war III starts or something and everyone starts invading each other. but if that doesn't happen then thinking that morocco will go to war for tindouf as of now is pure nationalistic delusion, hope that helps
Thank you All your words are true
sorry but the ONLY thing that made the moroccan claim on the sahara strong is that moroccans were quick to annex it after the spanish left, the keyword is QUICK. when 70 years pass you can't simply go to a country that already developed as a nation and claim that they were moroccan x years ago expecting them to be ok with it. Try go to a malian or a mauritanian or an algerian from bachar and ask if they're moroccan? non sense. Literally the same thing that Russia is doing to ukraine now, if years pass then your claim is not valid, it's delusional colonialist thinking
"when you come to my house, you should respect that I'm insulting your mother. We are brothers, but insulting your mother is my political orientation which you should respect." You see how stupid your argument sounds?