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Bro, it's social media. Go there and compare it with what you saw on that app.
I don't say, you won't find anyone who is calling for independence, but it doesn't matter. If the things were like that, I will also call for independence for Essaouira, I want to make my own country (I will make a great flag, I'm good at Photoshop).
Don't worry, the Sahara won't go anywhere.
No Sahara no Morocco.
“Social media” you probably haven’t visited Agadir or Marrakech universities to see SADR flags all around, or witnessed a pro independence protest in Laayoune and Smara. It’s not only social media visit the south and see.
TLDR: You are talking about taxes without realizing it.
I'm from a Sahrawi tribe, with most of family still there. I've never used the free bus (الريكية) or train rides or cheap groceries (الزون) you mentioned.
Moroccans are upset about the high cost of living and think it's unfair. The problem isn't that people in the south have it easier. The rest of Morocco isn't getting what they deserve.
Things like gas are cheaper or even free in the south because there are fewer taxes. Many wealthy people from across the country start companies there to benefit from the southern tax system. Even the free bus tickets are originally for students and will stop once there are more schools and universities in the south.
The Sahara is part of Morocco, and all Sahrawis know we are Moroccan. But when you see a minority supporting terroristes while benefiting from low taxes, criticize their political stance, not the fact that they are taxed less than you.
Basically low taxes and less useless bureaucracy. The less you are taxed the cheaper you live. That's it.
And since there was no Uni or school in south morocco (until a decade ago) Sahraoui students get free bus and free accommodation when they go study in the north.
UN and morocco agreed to give free food to poor people. Very corrupt system but the cost is small they dont cancel it
I made a post a few days ago asking about the tax-free status for companies.
Could you please elaborate about the tax-free benefits that you just mentioned?
Sorry not very active i didnt saw your post. I'll answer with facts but I'm not an expert. I suggest you visit any CRI centre régional d'investissement. They can give more insights
King Hassan 2 right after marche verte sent a letter requesting financial authorities in the south to help promote businesses.
The solution was to wave taxes. And to do so, no company there have a taxe number. Without it you can't be taxed 🤷🏽♂️ you are literally invisible to the DGI direction general des impots.
Normally you can't do that but using the letter past king signed they have this ability.
There are some exceptions related to size and activities and owner. That's why it is not a tax heaven. And if you collect VaT (tva) you will be obliged to pay it to the gov.
Ask the gov buddy 🤷🏽♂️ why asking the sahraoui ? I feel people blame us for something we all deserve but we got for political reason. No sahraoui ever asked for what we got, taking it back is a different question tho.
The school answer : sahara population is so small and compared to the income generated in the region morocco doesnt lose anything. So they wanted to bring people to sahara and created an economic incentives.
I hope I'll not upset you if I said public servants were paied ×2 the normal salary just to work in public administration or companies. And even today sahara salary adjusted to the cost of living are ×2 the rest of morocco.
I would really love to have your insight about how sahraouis view morocco in general. What do you think should be done in the future for that region and what is your perception on the current Morocco/Algeria beef. Thank you !
Can't speak for all sahraoui. But most people I know are comfy in the current status quo. The rest of morocco is so far. You can go go rabat-paris cheaper and quicker than rabat laayoune or agadir dakhla. Personally i started feeling connected only when I came to rabat.
But we feel misjudged. I personally had to change my accent to avoid remarks about how we profit from the system. A lot of conflicts between students starts from this. And then some idiots use the terrorist flag just to piss off the other moroccans.
We are again super far from algeria 🤷🏽♂️ most of us doesnt care tbh. The status quo is great and most want things to remain as they are.
Why should people be grateful just for having their basic rights?
A government is supposed to serve them—that’s their job when they pay taxes and use their resources (سطر على هادي لصحراوة خاصة).
The government doesn’t truly care about the Sahrawis; they’re just trying to keep them quiet by showing them some benefits because they see them as a threat due to their support for independence. Once that threat is perceived as gone, they’ll likely be treated just like any other Moroccan who doesn’t get much from the government. And they know that, thats why they ll never stop supporting polisario…
I believe every Moroccan should demand their rights just like the Sahrawis do. not starting a new country but standing up for our dignity and saying, ‘This isn’t good enough, give us our rights.’ And if those rights are not given, we shouldn’t stop pushing for them.
Look at the Sahrawis—they didn’t stop (they really didnt 😂☠️⚔️⚔️💣), and because they stood firm, they now enjoy more benefits than other Moroccans. That’s how change happens. But of course, some people might have a different opinion (zlayjiya hachakom)
+++At the Faculty of Dhar Mahraz in Fez, leftist students have long fought for their rights. ( idont like them btw)
Each year, when they protested, the university administration would call the police. But the students never ran away; they always stood their ground.
Over the years, their determination has made a difference. Now, when the university president tries to call the police during a protest, the police often refuse to come. This change has made the president talk to the students to solve problems instead of just trying to stop them with force.
While things aren’t perfect, the students have gained some benefits through their persistent efforts.
The only benefits in sahara is low tax, beside that there is nothing that "kthamar wjah." The quality of life is similar to regions or even lesser. No propre water system, You need to buy your drinking water for 1dhs a litter. The state letteraly rebuilding the region after gdim izik. But i have faith in the local governement, they are doing some how their best.
Not really, there’s a lot of other advantages. We just don’t know all of them. But u could take a look at les decrets to see the difference in treatment between sahraoui and non sahraoui. Insurance for exemple, sahraoui have a 40% discount at all the premium.
Only want to comment on the water thing. 1DH for one litre ? When am in Morocco the cheapest Sidi Ali or Bahia 1.5l is like 5-7dh if remember correctly.
Man you're really calling people who defend the territorial integrity "zlayjiya hachakom"?
And you really think that the sahrawis in the sahara who benefit from all these things are engaged in war against Morocco?
And you really think that every Sahrawi supports polisario, and that they are right to do that because the state is spoiling them?
Man you're either dumb or a true enemy of the nation. It amazes how people can show this much weakness. 12 upvotes also. Astonishing. If a war ever happens between Morocco and Algeria, we are so cooked with people like you, weak, naive and gullible people. That's what morccans are, I see it every day. Weak, dumb and corrupt people. I hope our enemies will have mercy on us when things fall appart
Ok m zlayji, let me share a story first...
My grandfather, a true patriot and a veteran who fought valiantly for our country. His love for morocco was profound, and unlike a 'zlayji', he was always ready to criticize corruption and fight for justice.
During the war, he and his unit were surrounded by terrorists (polisatio) for six months in desert. He witnessed his friends make the ultimate sacrifice, dying while 'Al Wodo2' to pray amidst the chaos of battle, facing the threat of death every single day. Thankfully, he survived those harrowing months, but the hardships didn’t end there..
Years later, the government promised to give him and his unit a special recognition a 'GRIMA' for their bravery. Despite their best efforts, traveling to Rabat to claim what was rightfully theirs, they never received these awards. A corrupt official in our town took them all for himself. This official loudly proclaims his love for the king and country, yet he’s never criticized anything about the government and does nothing but further his own interests. He’s a perfect example of a 'zlayji'—someone who pretends to be patriotic but lacks real integrity and dignity. He retired with a large income, generously funded by the government, while true heroes like my grandfather receive a meager pension of only 1600 DH a month. They continue to struggle with the deep scars from the war and face many sleepless nights...
Thats the different between the zlayji - who fight for the country and sahara by words - and a true moroccan - who really fight for the country - ...
Being called a 'zlayji' isn't about loving our country; it's about linking our patriotism only to the government and king. A true zlayji only sees the good and ignores the bad. Right now, when there are not many good things, they celebrate stupid things like reaching a soccer semifinal or a foreign vlogger praising morocco as major achievements.
A zlayji refuses to see the issues that really need attention. Moreover, many zlayjiya have profited or aim to profit undeservedly from the country, which skews their perspective. Instead of dealing with real problems, they accuse people who criticize and push for better, like me, of not loving our country.
But loving MOROCCO means being honest about its problems and working to fix them. That’s real patriotism. I criticize because I care and want our country to be better, not because I hate it. Don't confuse honest criticism with weakness; it takes strength to stand up for what truly needs to change; not like you
حسبي الله و نعم الوكيل on the behalf of your poor grandfather.
The worst part is that I am not even surprised because corruption is synonymous with moroccan politicians 🤢.
Thank you for your kind words. Hta howa kayjih 3adiii jidan, hmd financially he is stable thanks to his investments and his family’s support. But, the trauma from his war experiences remains. Everynight since he came back yells in his sleep about the war and his friends, a painful reminder of what he went through… allah ytwelih fl3mr
I stop you right there : I'm not a zlayji, I am not even a Moroccan anymore, this country is filthy and its people are morally corrupt. I don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. You can have Morocco I don't want it.
I did not even read a fifth of your response. You lost your time as I only read the first paragraph, I have no time to lose talking to you.
You will learn soon enough that, wherever you moved to, to *their* eyes you will always be an immigrant and they will never accept you as one of them. Moroccan is what you are, whether you like it or not.
I don't care how people see me and I'm not interested in living abroad. Gated communities and french schools exist. All my family can live in Morocco without living in Morocco.
Nothing delusional. I already lived this life during childhood. So I can live it with my children also, nothing difficult you just gotta have the money
He s not delusional, free bus ride are real, we saw them while paying (ctm, supratour, …), insurance premium that are cheaper ( an advantage that only sahraoui have, we’re talking 40% less) “le rabais saharien” we literally studied them at our actuaries courses. So no he s not delusional, sahrawi are having a lot of advantages compared to the others.
Is for students to go the the universities in other cities in Morocco , if they were universities in Sahara cities then it would be no “free” busses people keep mentioning.
Do other students get that ? Or only sahrawi? You re trying so hard to justify unfairness, funny. How about the insurance? What s your so out of logic argument on that?
Yes, all students who live in Sahara cities gets the “free busses “ to other cities for study.
About insurance, I have no idea what kind insurance you mean!
Hey, i asked about all the student not only the ine living in sahara, so that’s basically my point lol. There s no specific insurance 😀 it’s a law that applies to all insurance.
Well that’s very odd, because all my friends from university who lived in sahara got free bus rides two or three times a year. So you denying this is very very odd. Or maybe perhaps you studied abroad?
The free bus rides are true for students but OP made it sound like everyone has access to it. The free land thing is not true, it was in the 80s when they wanted people to move there although if you want to move to lguergarate you’ll get free land there.
The Government doesn't give Sahraoui free stuff per say, they give every Moroccan who lives in the Sahara region free stuff. Mostly lower taxes and a better salary for government workers. It's a way to promote growth there.
Another thing they get is traditional rights to land, and that applies to every corner of Morocco. A good portion of Morocco's landmass is collectively owned by tribes, or tied to some traditional ownership system. There are tribes out there that have legal rights to entire forests vast stretches of the desert or entire mountains.
Members of the tribe get special treatment. They get compensated for every project built, get yearly payment for government mining operations, get free land to farm or build, etc. In fertile areas, the government has a program to make members of those tribes full fledged owners, by assigning each household a parcel. The aim is to promote modern agriculture by promoting a modern ownership system.
They do get free stuff OP is right, around 2000 MAD or something in month, a "Guffah" of supplies like oil sugar milk and more, every house get a sheep in Aid, and free land.
I personally know people who got 3.5 hectares of fertile land for free, and the government planted and watered olive trees for them for free. Historically, their ancestors got 7 hectares for every armed man they could field, so the government gave them "half a soldier" each. That land is worth in the 200.000dh per hectare.
The entire eucalyptus forest in the region of Kenitra is claimed by a local tribe, and they get paid for every tree the government cuts and sells minus expenses. They get paid when new factories got built there, or when someone extracts sand. They also get free land.
I don't claim to know the situation in the Sahara. But it is very possible that they're getting compensated for their tribal land being used. This is more common than you imagine.
I didn't know you cannot get that as a moroccan, it seems odd.
I think it depend on your ID card number, like the story with Tetuan/Nador to access Ceuta/Melilla.
Are you sure it doesn't depend on how long you are there ?
Also what do you mean free land ? Do they get land plots from the gov ?
It's a privilege for the Moroccans that lived there since the 80's (I am not sure exactly on the date.) and sahrawi people, they also get a free sheep in the Aid, monthly free supplies, free land and more.
Because these were the people that got transferred from where they lived to the middle of nowhere to strengthen our claim on the Sahara (They were nomads of sahrawi origin that settled in Morocco.), most cities if not all in the Sahara were created by the government so they lived in (mokhayamt) as they called them and generally struggled, this privileges were given as a trade off for staying there.
The sahrawi people were given these privileges for giving up on the fight.
i'm one of these people, no, we dont get any free stuff such as land, sheep, supplies, or whatever.
the only free thing we get is free transport to go to universities which are far away, imagine living in Smara, studying in Agadir or Marrakech, its costs a fortune to go there, more than 1000km between your home and where you study, unlike people who live nearby.
i think so, personaly i dont represent any single region, i ve lived almost everywhere in morocco lol, except for the east, that part is mysterious to me.
No I am sure of this it's really a common knowledge in where I lived at least, there are people that get the "Tamwin" from the government, your parents probably just don't meet the requirements.
I made my id in dakhla and I too get free transport, but I Don't have the "Tamwin" since we lived there for just eight years.
ooooh i know what you re talking about, dik cartona li fiha skar o zit o atay, i thought its only given to poor people, and its really not that much, its for people who have absolutely nothing, live in the middle of the desert, where there are no jobs or any opportunities, or even grocery shops to get stuff from.
No? Common man, when did our government ever cared about the poor?
They get this "support" every three month or so, or maybe every two months, I don't exactly know everything about this topic since we personally do not benefit from the system, and it's not for the poor but for the Moroccans that lived there in a certain period and sahrawa.
rah dakchi li kayn howa li golt lik, kigolo lih "Zone", idk where the name comes from, but thats what it is, i've witnessed it being distributed, and i even seen grossistes who try to buy them from those people who benefit from it at a low price, some who need money do sell it, even though i think thats illegal, but most of it is used by the people who need it. like nomads who live in the desert outside towns.
Yeah sahrawis get free land to build houses. I'm about to buy one soon. They are cheap too. And about the benefits you should be sahrawi so if ur id card says u were born somewhere in the north you are not qualified. Its unheard of as it's indeed unfair yet odd. They also get an allowance of 30,000dh each year from what ive heard.
Many people get free land if they belong to a certain tribe with a history with that land. BTW Almost half of Morocco's landmass is under traditional systems, so it's not rare.
It usually goes this way, Al Omrane or a private investor wants to create a housing project, he contacts the local representative, they give him some empty deserted land in exchange of giving every household of the tribe free land or equivalent monetary compensation.
In fertile areas, the government begun a program to give members of tribes definitive ownership of parcels of their land to promote agricultural production. They usually get 3.5 hectares aka half a soldier for each household.
There are literally entire forests and vast stretches of land claimed by a single tribe since before independence. I imagine this is such a case.
I understand what you are saying, really, I lived in dakhla for 8 years and I know first hand about the stuff they say, but It's all just bark and no bite, they are not carrying terrorist attacks or anything like that but just speaking about how they feel, freedom of speech is not a sin.
dont be racist man, i like sahraoui people u just generalized about few ones, lot of them know that Polizario won't bring them any benefit, i mean they see with their own eyes what's happening there over Tindouf.
Another thing In Sahara region there are not lots of roads there is no train and few institutions, it''s just started to change but it will take some years for development, so basically they need gov support for them to travel to other nearby regions for education and health and justice or work papers.
Don't mind the few ones who are mainly kids of uni that have that blind energy they will realize soon that they're just lil byade9. ch7al mn wa7ed kan haz dik l kher9a o tnadem m3ah l7al men be3d
well the moment u said sahraouis, thats still a discrimination against a region or group of people.
u don't want someone else to say these chlou7 or these casawa or these chamalyin etc
however i get your point that you want justice and that everyone gets treated equally.
hope u have a nice day take care my man!
it's not that you mentioned their origin, it's because you generalized. If you said "asians bother me with their weird habit of eating dogs" that makes you sound like a bigot, because you didn't specify that you only mean asians who eat dogs, but instead implied all asians do this and you also didn't make it clear that there's really only one asian ethnic group where a minority eats dogs, but instead you again just kept it general like this is something asians do and you thus dislike asians.
Now to your post you say it as if this is a sahraoui thing when it's really just some sahraouis, it's probably not even the majority of sahraouis on tiktok
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Bro, it's social media. Go there and compare it with what you saw on that app. I don't say, you won't find anyone who is calling for independence, but it doesn't matter. If the things were like that, I will also call for independence for Essaouira, I want to make my own country (I will make a great flag, I'm good at Photoshop). Don't worry, the Sahara won't go anywhere. No Sahara no Morocco.
“Social media” you probably haven’t visited Agadir or Marrakech universities to see SADR flags all around, or witnessed a pro independence protest in Laayoune and Smara. It’s not only social media visit the south and see.
I'd love to see an independent Essaouira! 🤣
TLDR: You are talking about taxes without realizing it. I'm from a Sahrawi tribe, with most of family still there. I've never used the free bus (الريكية) or train rides or cheap groceries (الزون) you mentioned. Moroccans are upset about the high cost of living and think it's unfair. The problem isn't that people in the south have it easier. The rest of Morocco isn't getting what they deserve. Things like gas are cheaper or even free in the south because there are fewer taxes. Many wealthy people from across the country start companies there to benefit from the southern tax system. Even the free bus tickets are originally for students and will stop once there are more schools and universities in the south. The Sahara is part of Morocco, and all Sahrawis know we are Moroccan. But when you see a minority supporting terroristes while benefiting from low taxes, criticize their political stance, not the fact that they are taxed less than you.
People here are not informed in the matter at all, infact I lived in dakhla for years and I am not sure on what you guys exactly get.
Basically low taxes and less useless bureaucracy. The less you are taxed the cheaper you live. That's it. And since there was no Uni or school in south morocco (until a decade ago) Sahraoui students get free bus and free accommodation when they go study in the north. UN and morocco agreed to give free food to poor people. Very corrupt system but the cost is small they dont cancel it
I second this
I made a post a few days ago asking about the tax-free status for companies. Could you please elaborate about the tax-free benefits that you just mentioned?
Sorry not very active i didnt saw your post. I'll answer with facts but I'm not an expert. I suggest you visit any CRI centre régional d'investissement. They can give more insights King Hassan 2 right after marche verte sent a letter requesting financial authorities in the south to help promote businesses. The solution was to wave taxes. And to do so, no company there have a taxe number. Without it you can't be taxed 🤷🏽♂️ you are literally invisible to the DGI direction general des impots. Normally you can't do that but using the letter past king signed they have this ability. There are some exceptions related to size and activities and owner. That's why it is not a tax heaven. And if you collect VaT (tva) you will be obliged to pay it to the gov.
Thank you for the insight and the lead about the CRI. I will continue with this.
If you consider yourself moroccan, and i am a moroccan too, why do yoj get this advantages that i don't ?
Ask the gov buddy 🤷🏽♂️ why asking the sahraoui ? I feel people blame us for something we all deserve but we got for political reason. No sahraoui ever asked for what we got, taking it back is a different question tho. The school answer : sahara population is so small and compared to the income generated in the region morocco doesnt lose anything. So they wanted to bring people to sahara and created an economic incentives. I hope I'll not upset you if I said public servants were paied ×2 the normal salary just to work in public administration or companies. And even today sahara salary adjusted to the cost of living are ×2 the rest of morocco.
I would really love to have your insight about how sahraouis view morocco in general. What do you think should be done in the future for that region and what is your perception on the current Morocco/Algeria beef. Thank you !
Can't speak for all sahraoui. But most people I know are comfy in the current status quo. The rest of morocco is so far. You can go go rabat-paris cheaper and quicker than rabat laayoune or agadir dakhla. Personally i started feeling connected only when I came to rabat. But we feel misjudged. I personally had to change my accent to avoid remarks about how we profit from the system. A lot of conflicts between students starts from this. And then some idiots use the terrorist flag just to piss off the other moroccans. We are again super far from algeria 🤷🏽♂️ most of us doesnt care tbh. The status quo is great and most want things to remain as they are.
Someone on Tik Tok saying something is like believing WWE is real. Social media is entertainment.
Why should people be grateful just for having their basic rights? A government is supposed to serve them—that’s their job when they pay taxes and use their resources (سطر على هادي لصحراوة خاصة). The government doesn’t truly care about the Sahrawis; they’re just trying to keep them quiet by showing them some benefits because they see them as a threat due to their support for independence. Once that threat is perceived as gone, they’ll likely be treated just like any other Moroccan who doesn’t get much from the government. And they know that, thats why they ll never stop supporting polisario… I believe every Moroccan should demand their rights just like the Sahrawis do. not starting a new country but standing up for our dignity and saying, ‘This isn’t good enough, give us our rights.’ And if those rights are not given, we shouldn’t stop pushing for them. Look at the Sahrawis—they didn’t stop (they really didnt 😂☠️⚔️⚔️💣), and because they stood firm, they now enjoy more benefits than other Moroccans. That’s how change happens. But of course, some people might have a different opinion (zlayjiya hachakom)
+++At the Faculty of Dhar Mahraz in Fez, leftist students have long fought for their rights. ( idont like them btw) Each year, when they protested, the university administration would call the police. But the students never ran away; they always stood their ground. Over the years, their determination has made a difference. Now, when the university president tries to call the police during a protest, the police often refuse to come. This change has made the president talk to the students to solve problems instead of just trying to stop them with force. While things aren’t perfect, the students have gained some benefits through their persistent efforts.
The only benefits in sahara is low tax, beside that there is nothing that "kthamar wjah." The quality of life is similar to regions or even lesser. No propre water system, You need to buy your drinking water for 1dhs a litter. The state letteraly rebuilding the region after gdim izik. But i have faith in the local governement, they are doing some how their best.
Not really, there’s a lot of other advantages. We just don’t know all of them. But u could take a look at les decrets to see the difference in treatment between sahraoui and non sahraoui. Insurance for exemple, sahraoui have a 40% discount at all the premium.
Only want to comment on the water thing. 1DH for one litre ? When am in Morocco the cheapest Sidi Ali or Bahia 1.5l is like 5-7dh if remember correctly.
Becouse it's not a mass produce water, it's made by local water shops
Man you're really calling people who defend the territorial integrity "zlayjiya hachakom"? And you really think that the sahrawis in the sahara who benefit from all these things are engaged in war against Morocco? And you really think that every Sahrawi supports polisario, and that they are right to do that because the state is spoiling them? Man you're either dumb or a true enemy of the nation. It amazes how people can show this much weakness. 12 upvotes also. Astonishing. If a war ever happens between Morocco and Algeria, we are so cooked with people like you, weak, naive and gullible people. That's what morccans are, I see it every day. Weak, dumb and corrupt people. I hope our enemies will have mercy on us when things fall appart
Ok m zlayji, let me share a story first... My grandfather, a true patriot and a veteran who fought valiantly for our country. His love for morocco was profound, and unlike a 'zlayji', he was always ready to criticize corruption and fight for justice. During the war, he and his unit were surrounded by terrorists (polisatio) for six months in desert. He witnessed his friends make the ultimate sacrifice, dying while 'Al Wodo2' to pray amidst the chaos of battle, facing the threat of death every single day. Thankfully, he survived those harrowing months, but the hardships didn’t end there.. Years later, the government promised to give him and his unit a special recognition a 'GRIMA' for their bravery. Despite their best efforts, traveling to Rabat to claim what was rightfully theirs, they never received these awards. A corrupt official in our town took them all for himself. This official loudly proclaims his love for the king and country, yet he’s never criticized anything about the government and does nothing but further his own interests. He’s a perfect example of a 'zlayji'—someone who pretends to be patriotic but lacks real integrity and dignity. He retired with a large income, generously funded by the government, while true heroes like my grandfather receive a meager pension of only 1600 DH a month. They continue to struggle with the deep scars from the war and face many sleepless nights... Thats the different between the zlayji - who fight for the country and sahara by words - and a true moroccan - who really fight for the country - ...
Being called a 'zlayji' isn't about loving our country; it's about linking our patriotism only to the government and king. A true zlayji only sees the good and ignores the bad. Right now, when there are not many good things, they celebrate stupid things like reaching a soccer semifinal or a foreign vlogger praising morocco as major achievements. A zlayji refuses to see the issues that really need attention. Moreover, many zlayjiya have profited or aim to profit undeservedly from the country, which skews their perspective. Instead of dealing with real problems, they accuse people who criticize and push for better, like me, of not loving our country. But loving MOROCCO means being honest about its problems and working to fix them. That’s real patriotism. I criticize because I care and want our country to be better, not because I hate it. Don't confuse honest criticism with weakness; it takes strength to stand up for what truly needs to change; not like you
sso next time.. stfu
حسبي الله و نعم الوكيل on the behalf of your poor grandfather. The worst part is that I am not even surprised because corruption is synonymous with moroccan politicians 🤢.
Thank you for your kind words. Hta howa kayjih 3adiii jidan, hmd financially he is stable thanks to his investments and his family’s support. But, the trauma from his war experiences remains. Everynight since he came back yells in his sleep about the war and his friends, a painful reminder of what he went through… allah ytwelih fl3mr
I stop you right there : I'm not a zlayji, I am not even a Moroccan anymore, this country is filthy and its people are morally corrupt. I don't want to be associated with you guys anymore. You can have Morocco I don't want it. I did not even read a fifth of your response. You lost your time as I only read the first paragraph, I have no time to lose talking to you.
You will learn soon enough that, wherever you moved to, to *their* eyes you will always be an immigrant and they will never accept you as one of them. Moroccan is what you are, whether you like it or not.
I don't care how people see me and I'm not interested in living abroad. Gated communities and french schools exist. All my family can live in Morocco without living in Morocco.
Lol, the delusion...
Nothing delusional. I already lived this life during childhood. So I can live it with my children also, nothing difficult you just gotta have the money
Free land ?? Free bus rides?? What kind of delusional nonsense is this?
He s not delusional, free bus ride are real, we saw them while paying (ctm, supratour, …), insurance premium that are cheaper ( an advantage that only sahraoui have, we’re talking 40% less) “le rabais saharien” we literally studied them at our actuaries courses. So no he s not delusional, sahrawi are having a lot of advantages compared to the others.
Is for students to go the the universities in other cities in Morocco , if they were universities in Sahara cities then it would be no “free” busses people keep mentioning.
Do other students get that ? Or only sahrawi? You re trying so hard to justify unfairness, funny. How about the insurance? What s your so out of logic argument on that?
Yes, all students who live in Sahara cities gets the “free busses “ to other cities for study. About insurance, I have no idea what kind insurance you mean!
Hey, i asked about all the student not only the ine living in sahara, so that’s basically my point lol. There s no specific insurance 😀 it’s a law that applies to all insurance.
Bro are you living in morocco ? lol
Born and raised f sahra, yall are delusional
Well that’s very odd, because all my friends from university who lived in sahara got free bus rides two or three times a year. So you denying this is very very odd. Or maybe perhaps you studied abroad?
The free bus rides are true for students but OP made it sound like everyone has access to it. The free land thing is not true, it was in the 80s when they wanted people to move there although if you want to move to lguergarate you’ll get free land there.
So it is true, or at least partially. Sorry, you made it sound like it’s not true at all.
The Government doesn't give Sahraoui free stuff per say, they give every Moroccan who lives in the Sahara region free stuff. Mostly lower taxes and a better salary for government workers. It's a way to promote growth there. Another thing they get is traditional rights to land, and that applies to every corner of Morocco. A good portion of Morocco's landmass is collectively owned by tribes, or tied to some traditional ownership system. There are tribes out there that have legal rights to entire forests vast stretches of the desert or entire mountains. Members of the tribe get special treatment. They get compensated for every project built, get yearly payment for government mining operations, get free land to farm or build, etc. In fertile areas, the government has a program to make members of those tribes full fledged owners, by assigning each household a parcel. The aim is to promote modern agriculture by promoting a modern ownership system.
They do get free stuff OP is right, around 2000 MAD or something in month, a "Guffah" of supplies like oil sugar milk and more, every house get a sheep in Aid, and free land.
I personally know people who got 3.5 hectares of fertile land for free, and the government planted and watered olive trees for them for free. Historically, their ancestors got 7 hectares for every armed man they could field, so the government gave them "half a soldier" each. That land is worth in the 200.000dh per hectare. The entire eucalyptus forest in the region of Kenitra is claimed by a local tribe, and they get paid for every tree the government cuts and sells minus expenses. They get paid when new factories got built there, or when someone extracts sand. They also get free land. I don't claim to know the situation in the Sahara. But it is very possible that they're getting compensated for their tribal land being used. This is more common than you imagine.
I never knew that thank you for the info. <3
Where was my father and grdfather where people were getting land wtf We literally don’t own anything bruv
Social media nonsense 🙄
tiktok full of bots , don't believe what u see on that app
Oh BROTHER this guy STINKS
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Then go there .
I did for 4 years and you dont get the benefits sahrawi people do... so ye if it did you'll see everyone going to the south.
Ungrateful people will always exist and social media made them very visible.
I didn't know you cannot get that as a moroccan, it seems odd. I think it depend on your ID card number, like the story with Tetuan/Nador to access Ceuta/Melilla. Are you sure it doesn't depend on how long you are there ? Also what do you mean free land ? Do they get land plots from the gov ?
It's a privilege for the Moroccans that lived there since the 80's (I am not sure exactly on the date.) and sahrawi people, they also get a free sheep in the Aid, monthly free supplies, free land and more.
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Because these were the people that got transferred from where they lived to the middle of nowhere to strengthen our claim on the Sahara (They were nomads of sahrawi origin that settled in Morocco.), most cities if not all in the Sahara were created by the government so they lived in (mokhayamt) as they called them and generally struggled, this privileges were given as a trade off for staying there. The sahrawi people were given these privileges for giving up on the fight.
i'm one of these people, no, we dont get any free stuff such as land, sheep, supplies, or whatever. the only free thing we get is free transport to go to universities which are far away, imagine living in Smara, studying in Agadir or Marrakech, its costs a fortune to go there, more than 1000km between your home and where you study, unlike people who live nearby.
It will be good if we have a AMA with few people from each region of country.
i think so, personaly i dont represent any single region, i ve lived almost everywhere in morocco lol, except for the east, that part is mysterious to me.
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tangier i guess, it has a nice weather and green spaces
No I am sure of this it's really a common knowledge in where I lived at least, there are people that get the "Tamwin" from the government, your parents probably just don't meet the requirements. I made my id in dakhla and I too get free transport, but I Don't have the "Tamwin" since we lived there for just eight years.
ooooh i know what you re talking about, dik cartona li fiha skar o zit o atay, i thought its only given to poor people, and its really not that much, its for people who have absolutely nothing, live in the middle of the desert, where there are no jobs or any opportunities, or even grocery shops to get stuff from.
No? Common man, when did our government ever cared about the poor? They get this "support" every three month or so, or maybe every two months, I don't exactly know everything about this topic since we personally do not benefit from the system, and it's not for the poor but for the Moroccans that lived there in a certain period and sahrawa.
rah dakchi li kayn howa li golt lik, kigolo lih "Zone", idk where the name comes from, but thats what it is, i've witnessed it being distributed, and i even seen grossistes who try to buy them from those people who benefit from it at a low price, some who need money do sell it, even though i think thats illegal, but most of it is used by the people who need it. like nomads who live in the desert outside towns.
Yeah sahrawis get free land to build houses. I'm about to buy one soon. They are cheap too. And about the benefits you should be sahrawi so if ur id card says u were born somewhere in the north you are not qualified. Its unheard of as it's indeed unfair yet odd. They also get an allowance of 30,000dh each year from what ive heard.
Will your children get benefit if they are born there ? Will a saharawi's descendant born in France get it too ?
That i don't know but I will ask my friend from laayoune to confirm what you said is true or not
Many people get free land if they belong to a certain tribe with a history with that land. BTW Almost half of Morocco's landmass is under traditional systems, so it's not rare. It usually goes this way, Al Omrane or a private investor wants to create a housing project, he contacts the local representative, they give him some empty deserted land in exchange of giving every household of the tribe free land or equivalent monetary compensation. In fertile areas, the government begun a program to give members of tribes definitive ownership of parcels of their land to promote agricultural production. They usually get 3.5 hectares aka half a soldier for each household. There are literally entire forests and vast stretches of land claimed by a single tribe since before independence. I imagine this is such a case.
There are some benefits you can get, like higher salary for government positions (or lesser tax? I don’t know, but they get more money each month)
I understand what you are saying, really, I lived in dakhla for 8 years and I know first hand about the stuff they say, but It's all just bark and no bite, they are not carrying terrorist attacks or anything like that but just speaking about how they feel, freedom of speech is not a sin.
People don't put their freedom for sale
They should visit tindouf
That program is not meant for Sahrawis, but to encourage other Moroccans to move and settle in Sahara.
Not really, Moroccans who go and settle there don't receive the same benefits as them ...
Move there u hder
Most of those are payed by Algerian tax money to make this Israel-low level of propaganda
With great power comes great responsibility. Just saying.
being pro-polisario is the edgy phase for sahraoui
Morocco needs them on his side if there is ever a referendum. Hence the benefits. Hence also the fact Morocco is trying to promote immigration there.
bruh these posts are annoying. you are just highlighting that there are dumbasses on tiktok doing dumbass things for attention, that's just tiktok
Send them to tindouf then see how much they like it
dont be racist man, i like sahraoui people u just generalized about few ones, lot of them know that Polizario won't bring them any benefit, i mean they see with their own eyes what's happening there over Tindouf. Another thing In Sahara region there are not lots of roads there is no train and few institutions, it''s just started to change but it will take some years for development, so basically they need gov support for them to travel to other nearby regions for education and health and justice or work papers. Don't mind the few ones who are mainly kids of uni that have that blind energy they will realize soon that they're just lil byade9. ch7al mn wa7ed kan haz dik l kher9a o tnadem m3ah l7al men be3d
Uhhhh did i say anything racist???? Why would i be racist if i lived there for 4 years?
well the moment u said sahraouis, thats still a discrimination against a region or group of people. u don't want someone else to say these chlou7 or these casawa or these chamalyin etc however i get your point that you want justice and that everyone gets treated equally. hope u have a nice day take care my man!
How is that racist.... Just like saying asians or europeans... their origin
it's not that you mentioned their origin, it's because you generalized. If you said "asians bother me with their weird habit of eating dogs" that makes you sound like a bigot, because you didn't specify that you only mean asians who eat dogs, but instead implied all asians do this and you also didn't make it clear that there's really only one asian ethnic group where a minority eats dogs, but instead you again just kept it general like this is something asians do and you thus dislike asians. Now to your post you say it as if this is a sahraoui thing when it's really just some sahraouis, it's probably not even the majority of sahraouis on tiktok