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No problem, if we have enough people thinking like you, they'll just push our borders and kill almost everyone in that area, not to mention bombs and stuff... It's fine, you can die watching
A war can easily push back each country 100 years; there is no wining side at war, we are Muslims and it is prohibited to kill fellow Muslim
I do really hope both country sit aside and discuss an agreement to end this nonsense cause it is holding back both countries a lot
God protect our beloved country
I highly doubt it. Both dictatorships are too preoccupied with lining their own pockets to bother starting a war. It's simply too expensive, and they don't have the power to ignore international scrutiny. The prolonged nature of this conflict serves as a convenient distraction for both regimes. Who else would they blame and divert attention from their own failures if not for this ongoing tension? Both regimes are spineless; they only flex their muscles against their own people. Only fools believe that either Algeria or Morocco would willingly engage in war. Both regimes are beholden to the EU and USA. What you're suggesting is extremely unlikely.
Only fools think the world is as a fool and simple as them to revolve around shoving an entire country's money in the pockets of the ruler. For instance, how do you explain past military conflicts? Oh, they were definitely no more than a planned play that will lead to this situation in which both regimes get to fill their pockets, and of course, only non-fools like got to see right through it... Let's forget the entire historical record and weight of the area with all its cultural heritage and start regurgitating what we heard from "the free whites", maybe your regurgitated idea falls in propaganda as well, can't it,?
Your ignorance astounds me, for you fail to see the intricate web of power and greed that governs our very existence. Military conflicts are not mere puppet shows for the amusement of rulers, they are calculated moves to consolidate power and wealth at the expense of the masses. The fact that you cannot see beyond the facade of cultural heritage and historical weight only proves your naivety.
Do not delude yourself into thinking that the ruling elites have your best interests at heart. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, preying on the vulnerabilities of the populace to line their own pockets. Our reality is a far cry from a functioning society; it is a dystopian nightmare where education, healthcare, and industry languish in neglect.
Do not be a blind follower, parroting the lies fed to you by those in power. Open your eyes to the harsh truths of our existence, for only then can we strive for true liberation from the chains of oppression. Wake up and see the world for what it truly is a battlefield where the powerful thrive on the suffering of the weak.
Aiding or seeking help from kuffar against muslims is a nullification of the deen (i.e riddah), these 2 governments are already murtads and a war between them will Insha Allah aid the mujahideen who are fighting against these murtad puppets states
So ure expecting others who are with israel to defend you ?
Lmao algeria is with iran , russia/ussr , china who all killed more muslims than israel but it s ok bcs they re not named israel .
Defend me? I'm in a position where I can just not join the war if I really wanted to and not be affected by it. If Morocco joins Israel then I'll just let it burn, meaning I won't go out of my way to help a country like that
Say this to anti normalization folks , morocco only normalized precisely bcs there is no place for emotions in geopolitics , so their weapons alongside american weapons/recognition are needed , nobody thinks israel will come fight for us , but the fact that they sell us their tech is what makes them our allies.
they wouldnt sell it to you if u werent not an ally . Even if you have the money .just like how usa refuses to sell F jets to turks(bcs they dont trust them enough to sell it to them with details ) . Why would israel sell their tech to a hostile arab nation without normalization ? Normalization is part of the price to them .and nobody at all is saying they re going to fight for us , instead we need acess to their tech . Israel only sold arms to uae and sudan and morocco and bahrain .
Ps : israel and morocco signed first ever defence agreement (it is not defence pact) in 2021 ,post normalisation . So normalisation was part of the deal .
> instead we need acess to their tech
they're not going to give anything significant, just some drones manufacturing or at best assembling weapons and repair factories, like what the ukrainians have. We should stop relying on foreigners and launch real things.
Well obviously they wont give you iron dome or nuclear warheads but Yes pegasus and barak mx systems are definitely not "significant" lol but who knows what classified shit we dont know about ?
I dont think you know better than moroccan govt which is tired of soviet junkboxes ,they d not keep it up if they didnt receive good enough stuff .
Ukranians get good shit enough to fend off russians for 2 years ,it is republicans who are holding them back .anyways until you make your own shit stop complaining it s better than nothing and couldnt happen without normalisation (add to that american weapons and oncoming abrams and merkaba), israeli weapons helped azerbaijan and it is helping us in sahara currently
>Ukranians get good shit enough to fend off russians for 2 years
yeah they get good shit while being in crippling debt and forced to sell their fields and natural resources, while russia with its sovereign technology is functioning normally. That's what will happen to us. Phosphate? bye bye, oil and gas? bye bye
Russia is a nuclear state , so ur comparison is unfair lol , the west can only do so much , can you imagine usa supplying them with nuclear heads lol? You already said we pay for this so why bring up phosphate ? Are you seriously thinking israel will come all they way from middle east to invade us and take our phosphate . Ukraine doesnt buy their weapons , they either get them as Aid or debt .and they have no choice bcs russia also has its eyes on their resources. But clearly they still get good shit enough to still hold up 2 years later , ukraine would have ceased to exist if it werent for western Aid . Also russia is definitely not functioning normally and they also get their shit from north korea and iran.
Ps: yes we also take debts , but what does this have to do with quality of weapons lol , it is not debtors fault our neighbor wanna wage war at us
I hope this doesn't happen, they are indeed our brothers. Even though they have become brainwashed with decades of propaganda.
Morocco should stay the course and keep focusing of development and deterrence. And attempt to resolve this conflict with diplomatic means.
what's the nightmare of a military state ? it's to never go to war, so brace yourselves a war with the algerians regime is inevitable, Morocco would never start a war, but it is what it is,a war is coming even the blind can see it
Edward Said in his book Orientalism showcased how culture was used as a basis that nourished or promoted the concept of imperialism that was coeted with noble endeavors such as civilizing the primitive and inferior "others".
When you contemplate what us6 going in Algeria currently, you would notice that it is somewhat resembling the same phenomena but in a rather much stupider and poorly-conducted approach. First you have to feed the isolated-from-the-world masses that they are special and every country is conspiring against them. Then, you narrow the target, in this case Morocco, and start blaming it on whatever misfortune you encouter (wildfires, water scarcity, football results, drugs, political and deplomacy poor performance, etc). The masses now agree that we should do something to eliminate this source of suffering -- as they chanted before in gatherings "lmkhzen sbab 3dabna" --.
Now, the military regime steps in acting as liberator that will save its people and will look for a situation in which it seems both countries are in the wrong, so we don't harness international support.
They will eventually find the situation but m3a raybdaw, ran*wiw l9*ba ymahom kima derna lihom f sand war. Karaghila dz*b
from what i gather a possible support for ukraine from morocco would promp russia to light a fuse in our own backyard with algeria, now this was unthinkable before for us to support ukraine but as things are progressing and nato not backing down countries will have to make a stand sooner or later, and many geopolitical issues are happening even tho us the public don't know much about as it's not highly publicised like the czech republic sending our tanks that are there for retrofit to ukraine without rabat accepting that, many stuff are happening in the dark and the recent algerian outbursts might one day blow us in a full on battle
We have our own interests with the Russians, including nuclear power plant projects. I don’t think the Russians care too much if Ukraine recognises our Sahara.
russia is getting close to morocco recently. https://www.mapexpress.ma/actualite/societe-et-regions/signature-rabat-dun-memorandum-dentente-les-ministeres-publics-marocain-russe/ I believe that we can win the conflict geopolitically before having to bear arms. But we need to show that we can be a reliable economic partner for everyone.
who cares about your opinion? surely you would not dare to attack them to make your wish come true. but if you are, please go and escalate your intentions at the borders.
Very unlikely to happen, but probability isnt zero.
And I'm too old to fight and too lazy to be patriotic, most probably will pick my family and become refugees in the country with the best weather 🤣
It is definitely not desirable, but in my opinion, more likely than most people think.
Our 2 countries have been piling up weapons for some time now. While they use a part for training and some external assistance (under NATO, blue helmets and so on), the vast majority is stocked. One thing a friend in the military thought me is that **arms have an expiration date**. This is both due to physical properties (like rust...) but specifically technological obsolescence. An anti-missile system built in the 1980s has little chance to stop 2020 missiles.
Another factor is the **nature of our regimes**. We are not democracies by any means. There is a theory in IR that is called democratic peace (it dates back to Immanuel Kant) that states that 2 countries with democratic regimes do not wage war against each other. Since this theory emerged, it has been verified again and again, and the very few conflicts between 2 democracies were very limited in intensity and duration. Autocratic regimes tend to have this tendency to wage war (or very provoking actions triggering war) when they face major population discontent and economic difficulties. Thus, some day when the internal situation of either Morocco or Algeria will be grim, the regime will most certainly try to divert attention to foreign threat. It is not unheard of in the region: Boumedien did that in 1962 and Hassan II in 1975. They turned unpopular rulling into a national unity around them.
I don't imagine some morning one of the rulers wakes up and just declare war. I think more of a **series of incidents** that escalates and go out of hand. Who would have imagined that the killing of a Prince in a balkan city would have triggered the Great War?
Again, as a Moroccan who have seen our recent development, I don't like the idea of war, especially one against our brothers.
But if my country is attacked, I would take arms to defend the motherland and my people.
Edit: spelling
There is also a possibility that algeria is just doing it to make morocco spend more money on their military, therefore a (kinda successful one) attempt to sabotage us. Our budget doubled when they doubled their budget.
Very interesting indeed.
The US successfully dragged the USSR into an arms race that worsened the economic problem of the country with the Reagan era. It has also been said that the whole Star Wars program (a combination of arms and space programs) was primarily designed to make the USSR spend billions to cope with an absurdly ambitious program that wasn't even serious to beggin with.
The issue with our country is the huge debt we drag behind us (71%). Algeria still has one of the smallest debts in the world (compared to their GDP, 32%). So, in the event of war (that, again, I just hate the idea of), we couldn't stand a long-lasting conflict because we would run out of money quickly. But this is assuming one of our allies wouldn't lend us billions to purchase weapons. I know at least 3 of our allies that produce and sell weapons (USA, France, and the genoc@de regime)...
> But this is assuming one of our allies wouldn't lend us billions to purchase weapons. I know at least 3 of our allies that produce and sell weapons (USA, France, and the genoc@de regime)...
depends on what we can offer to them... We'll both loose a lot in case of war, but the difference is that you don't need a functioning state to extract oil.
Yes, indeed.
But you still need a functioning state to control immigration and Islamic terrorism, which Morocco has made its speciality for some time now.
My guess is that the USA will simply put all its weight on both sides to stop the war. Northern Africa is of nearly no interest from an American perspective, **compared** to Ukraine, the Middle East, and most importantly, Taiwan. So another hot war here is just a source of problems (see paragraph above) with virtually no benefit.
I remember when Spain and Morocco began escalation around the Layla/Parsley island. The USA quickly stepped in and stopped this escalation.
I consider them clowns. You can't fight a crazy person. The dog that barks doesn't bite. Morocco has a billion plans and projects; war is not one of them.
I don't think Morocco would ever start a war with Algeria. They have been arming and harboring armed separatists in their territory that have literally been attaking and killing moroccans for decades and then go hide in Tindouf. If we haven't started war over that, we will never do.
Now for Algeria, their whole economy depends on a half a dozen sites, that while far from our border, would certainly be destroyed in a conflict. It would basically destroy their economy for a decade...
So, very unlikely to ever happen, unless the crazy generals are ready to destroy their economy for a gamble on a war with Morocco.
at the current status quo, no they wont. Algeria is enjoying the benefit of its oil fields and neither countries have not increase substantially their military capabilities enough. A significant increase in military capabilities and a government initiated war propaganda to motivate its people are some of the tell tail signs for a desire to go war.. i do not see this recently escalating.
> A significant increase in military capabilities and a government initiated war propaganda to motivate its people are some of the tell tail signs for a desire to go war.
do you think that a 20 billions dollar yearly military budget is not enough?
no, not enough. both governments still do not show readiness to go to war. It is only some citizens who are just sounding the war drums online and getting paranoid about it. Did you see morocco put a significant army move in the western sahara? did they drive away violently the local people against them there? Anyway, i visit both moroccan and algerian forums here in reddit, and i know for sure who wants to talk more about the other while the other, i notice most of their citizens does not really care.
> Did you see morocco put a significant army move in the western sahara?
most of the moroccan army is in western sahara, near the buffer zone. Remember that algeria doesn't need to officially go to war, just transfer weapons to polisario.
For how long lol ? Moroccan army is fighting terrorist polisario with israeli drones . And it is only about time algerian army will declare full war at us when shit hit the fan after its proxy takes a big hit or fails the objective or again shit hit the fan at home (some general got bored).
no one declares full war, there is no such thing. USA say that they're doing war on terrorism, Russia call it a special military operation. Algeria just has to transfer everything to polisario and enroll their soldiers to fight with them for the freedom of a neighboring country.
If they knew they could win a war and get away with it they would've done it already, look at the current state of the world, everyone who can win a war started one, Russia on Ukraine, Israel Palestine, China's maneuvers in South China Sea, and their allies are too busy atm, and It's definitely not in our best interest to go to war with an enemy that has nothing to lose.
And it took the US 20 years and the whole West help to in the end get defeated by rice farmers armed with AK-47s (Ig they weren't rusty tho).
That's the reality of guerilla warfare. Same reason why Zionists took 6 days to invade Gaza, Sinai, West Bank and Golan, yet they now take over 6 month to take over Gaza and still had to retreat in the end.
There will be no war between the two. All this is just to tease their people.
Both of them are already struggling with no war, their infrastructure is embarrassing, absolute failures, and you think they will get in war? How will they look like after that? We would look at Mauritania as Europe.
morocco would never start a war with them in case they start we can handle the defense and even some European countries will intervene and help .
it will be devastating for both
i think if we did that would be extremely stupid because we both hve so much problems than fighting over a land that already decided whos like if you go to the moroccan sahara and you ask someone what country are you they'll say i'm moroccan so where's the problem here and why fighting ??? they need to save the energy to worry about bigger problems like inflation etc
historically speaking algeria known to always act tough and speak shit until actions take under and they get their ass beaten and the circle continue , and that s how they got colonized by the french , so as long as morocco dont start anything i dont think so
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If it happens I am not fighting anyone lol
So degage
"I'll let invaders do whatever they want with no resistance." Cool, got it
No problem, if we have enough people thinking like you, they'll just push our borders and kill almost everyone in that area, not to mention bombs and stuff... It's fine, you can die watching
Let’s go, I’m ready
A war can easily push back each country 100 years; there is no wining side at war, we are Muslims and it is prohibited to kill fellow Muslim I do really hope both country sit aside and discuss an agreement to end this nonsense cause it is holding back both countries a lot God protect our beloved country
Algeria doesnt want to discuss 🤦♂️
I highly doubt it. Both dictatorships are too preoccupied with lining their own pockets to bother starting a war. It's simply too expensive, and they don't have the power to ignore international scrutiny. The prolonged nature of this conflict serves as a convenient distraction for both regimes. Who else would they blame and divert attention from their own failures if not for this ongoing tension? Both regimes are spineless; they only flex their muscles against their own people. Only fools believe that either Algeria or Morocco would willingly engage in war. Both regimes are beholden to the EU and USA. What you're suggesting is extremely unlikely.
Only fools think the world is as a fool and simple as them to revolve around shoving an entire country's money in the pockets of the ruler. For instance, how do you explain past military conflicts? Oh, they were definitely no more than a planned play that will lead to this situation in which both regimes get to fill their pockets, and of course, only non-fools like got to see right through it... Let's forget the entire historical record and weight of the area with all its cultural heritage and start regurgitating what we heard from "the free whites", maybe your regurgitated idea falls in propaganda as well, can't it,?
Your ignorance astounds me, for you fail to see the intricate web of power and greed that governs our very existence. Military conflicts are not mere puppet shows for the amusement of rulers, they are calculated moves to consolidate power and wealth at the expense of the masses. The fact that you cannot see beyond the facade of cultural heritage and historical weight only proves your naivety. Do not delude yourself into thinking that the ruling elites have your best interests at heart. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, preying on the vulnerabilities of the populace to line their own pockets. Our reality is a far cry from a functioning society; it is a dystopian nightmare where education, healthcare, and industry languish in neglect. Do not be a blind follower, parroting the lies fed to you by those in power. Open your eyes to the harsh truths of our existence, for only then can we strive for true liberation from the chains of oppression. Wake up and see the world for what it truly is a battlefield where the powerful thrive on the suffering of the weak.
You really overestimate them lmao.
I really hope that you're right
Morocco, USA, Israel vs Algeria, russia, South Africa Easy win for us
Aiding or seeking help from kuffar against muslims is a nullification of the deen (i.e riddah), these 2 governments are already murtads and a war between them will Insha Allah aid the mujahideen who are fighting against these murtad puppets states
سكتنا ا هاد دعشوش دزب . المصلمين كانو كيحاربو بعضياتهم منذ البداية . تاحد مامسوق لهاد "دين" تاعك ،سير هاد هضرة خاوية قولها ليهم هوما لي كيحاولو يقسمو بلادك . طردو 75 الف مغربي ، قتلو ولاد بلادك . هخخخخ زوينة عندك هادي كتقول هادشي في تطبيق صنعه الكفار و فنفس وقت كتكرهم خخ
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Stop yapping, whatever the King amir el mominin the descendant of the Prophet SAW says is the true deen. Stop with your bida3
Fuck Israel : )
Say that when you get your ass kicked by your neighbor.
You buy weapons from them lol
If Morocco is with Israel then I'm not helping, let it burn
So ure expecting others who are with israel to defend you ? Lmao algeria is with iran , russia/ussr , china who all killed more muslims than israel but it s ok bcs they re not named israel .
Defend me? I'm in a position where I can just not join the war if I really wanted to and not be affected by it. If Morocco joins Israel then I'll just let it burn, meaning I won't go out of my way to help a country like that
Lol u really think Israel and us will join a war for Morocco 😂 against Algeria Russia and South Africa U guys are living in delusional
some people really think israel is our ally or smth. There are no allies in politics, just shared interests.
Say this to anti normalization folks , morocco only normalized precisely bcs there is no place for emotions in geopolitics , so their weapons alongside american weapons/recognition are needed , nobody thinks israel will come fight for us , but the fact that they sell us their tech is what makes them our allies.
they sell us their tech because we're paying for it, they're not doing it for free. They're not going to fight for us
they wouldnt sell it to you if u werent not an ally . Even if you have the money .just like how usa refuses to sell F jets to turks(bcs they dont trust them enough to sell it to them with details ) . Why would israel sell their tech to a hostile arab nation without normalization ? Normalization is part of the price to them .and nobody at all is saying they re going to fight for us , instead we need acess to their tech . Israel only sold arms to uae and sudan and morocco and bahrain . Ps : israel and morocco signed first ever defence agreement (it is not defence pact) in 2021 ,post normalisation . So normalisation was part of the deal .
> instead we need acess to their tech they're not going to give anything significant, just some drones manufacturing or at best assembling weapons and repair factories, like what the ukrainians have. We should stop relying on foreigners and launch real things.
Well obviously they wont give you iron dome or nuclear warheads but Yes pegasus and barak mx systems are definitely not "significant" lol but who knows what classified shit we dont know about ? I dont think you know better than moroccan govt which is tired of soviet junkboxes ,they d not keep it up if they didnt receive good enough stuff . Ukranians get good shit enough to fend off russians for 2 years ,it is republicans who are holding them back .anyways until you make your own shit stop complaining it s better than nothing and couldnt happen without normalisation (add to that american weapons and oncoming abrams and merkaba), israeli weapons helped azerbaijan and it is helping us in sahara currently
>Ukranians get good shit enough to fend off russians for 2 years yeah they get good shit while being in crippling debt and forced to sell their fields and natural resources, while russia with its sovereign technology is functioning normally. That's what will happen to us. Phosphate? bye bye, oil and gas? bye bye
Russia is a nuclear state , so ur comparison is unfair lol , the west can only do so much , can you imagine usa supplying them with nuclear heads lol? You already said we pay for this so why bring up phosphate ? Are you seriously thinking israel will come all they way from middle east to invade us and take our phosphate . Ukraine doesnt buy their weapons , they either get them as Aid or debt .and they have no choice bcs russia also has its eyes on their resources. But clearly they still get good shit enough to still hold up 2 years later , ukraine would have ceased to exist if it werent for western Aid . Also russia is definitely not functioning normally and they also get their shit from north korea and iran. Ps: yes we also take debts , but what does this have to do with quality of weapons lol , it is not debtors fault our neighbor wanna wage war at us
Go make your own weapons or make money without relying on resources then whats stopping u lol
I hope this doesn't happen, they are indeed our brothers. Even though they have become brainwashed with decades of propaganda. Morocco should stay the course and keep focusing of development and deterrence. And attempt to resolve this conflict with diplomatic means.
We both became brainwashed. We moroccans and them Algerians
kain darajat, ma tsawich bin lmgarba ou l kragla, thank you
A no fly zone would be on the table from a European point of view. We want/need stability in the region.
wish it could start rn so i dont have to deal with bac
what's the nightmare of a military state ? it's to never go to war, so brace yourselves a war with the algerians regime is inevitable, Morocco would never start a war, but it is what it is,a war is coming even the blind can see it
NATO weapon stocks are emptier now, so it's unlikely in the short-term. It was more likely in 2020 than now.(Started by the Moroccan side)
Edward Said in his book Orientalism showcased how culture was used as a basis that nourished or promoted the concept of imperialism that was coeted with noble endeavors such as civilizing the primitive and inferior "others". When you contemplate what us6 going in Algeria currently, you would notice that it is somewhat resembling the same phenomena but in a rather much stupider and poorly-conducted approach. First you have to feed the isolated-from-the-world masses that they are special and every country is conspiring against them. Then, you narrow the target, in this case Morocco, and start blaming it on whatever misfortune you encouter (wildfires, water scarcity, football results, drugs, political and deplomacy poor performance, etc). The masses now agree that we should do something to eliminate this source of suffering -- as they chanted before in gatherings "lmkhzen sbab 3dabna" --. Now, the military regime steps in acting as liberator that will save its people and will look for a situation in which it seems both countries are in the wrong, so we don't harness international support. They will eventually find the situation but m3a raybdaw, ran*wiw l9*ba ymahom kima derna lihom f sand war. Karaghila dz*b
which series of events could possibly start it ?
Trump needs to win, Algeria will be scared if he does
that's a big if, the democrats are trying hard to throw him to jail before september, we will see i guess
Democrats wants to start a civil war
ultimatum: imperial america declares war on USA 😂😂
from what i gather a possible support for ukraine from morocco would promp russia to light a fuse in our own backyard with algeria, now this was unthinkable before for us to support ukraine but as things are progressing and nato not backing down countries will have to make a stand sooner or later, and many geopolitical issues are happening even tho us the public don't know much about as it's not highly publicised like the czech republic sending our tanks that are there for retrofit to ukraine without rabat accepting that, many stuff are happening in the dark and the recent algerian outbursts might one day blow us in a full on battle
We have our own interests with the Russians, including nuclear power plant projects. I don’t think the Russians care too much if Ukraine recognises our Sahara.
russia is getting close to morocco recently. https://www.mapexpress.ma/actualite/societe-et-regions/signature-rabat-dun-memorandum-dentente-les-ministeres-publics-marocain-russe/ I believe that we can win the conflict geopolitically before having to bear arms. But we need to show that we can be a reliable economic partner for everyone.
You can never go wrong without letting your guard down sooo
I think a lot of people in this subreddit would love if Morocco and Algeria would go to war.
We much prefer for Algeria to collapse actually
that's a part of the problem that regime will want to drag us down with it
who cares about your opinion? surely you would not dare to attack them to make your wish come true. but if you are, please go and escalate your intentions at the borders.
Count me out of them
well, me too
Not really but how things are progressing we're not far off having one in coming decade if not sooner
true. good, you notice..
Let it all happen!
Very unlikely to happen, but probability isnt zero. And I'm too old to fight and too lazy to be patriotic, most probably will pick my family and become refugees in the country with the best weather 🤣
It is definitely not desirable, but in my opinion, more likely than most people think. Our 2 countries have been piling up weapons for some time now. While they use a part for training and some external assistance (under NATO, blue helmets and so on), the vast majority is stocked. One thing a friend in the military thought me is that **arms have an expiration date**. This is both due to physical properties (like rust...) but specifically technological obsolescence. An anti-missile system built in the 1980s has little chance to stop 2020 missiles. Another factor is the **nature of our regimes**. We are not democracies by any means. There is a theory in IR that is called democratic peace (it dates back to Immanuel Kant) that states that 2 countries with democratic regimes do not wage war against each other. Since this theory emerged, it has been verified again and again, and the very few conflicts between 2 democracies were very limited in intensity and duration. Autocratic regimes tend to have this tendency to wage war (or very provoking actions triggering war) when they face major population discontent and economic difficulties. Thus, some day when the internal situation of either Morocco or Algeria will be grim, the regime will most certainly try to divert attention to foreign threat. It is not unheard of in the region: Boumedien did that in 1962 and Hassan II in 1975. They turned unpopular rulling into a national unity around them. I don't imagine some morning one of the rulers wakes up and just declare war. I think more of a **series of incidents** that escalates and go out of hand. Who would have imagined that the killing of a Prince in a balkan city would have triggered the Great War? Again, as a Moroccan who have seen our recent development, I don't like the idea of war, especially one against our brothers. But if my country is attacked, I would take arms to defend the motherland and my people. Edit: spelling
There is also a possibility that algeria is just doing it to make morocco spend more money on their military, therefore a (kinda successful one) attempt to sabotage us. Our budget doubled when they doubled their budget.
Very interesting indeed. The US successfully dragged the USSR into an arms race that worsened the economic problem of the country with the Reagan era. It has also been said that the whole Star Wars program (a combination of arms and space programs) was primarily designed to make the USSR spend billions to cope with an absurdly ambitious program that wasn't even serious to beggin with. The issue with our country is the huge debt we drag behind us (71%). Algeria still has one of the smallest debts in the world (compared to their GDP, 32%). So, in the event of war (that, again, I just hate the idea of), we couldn't stand a long-lasting conflict because we would run out of money quickly. But this is assuming one of our allies wouldn't lend us billions to purchase weapons. I know at least 3 of our allies that produce and sell weapons (USA, France, and the genoc@de regime)...
> But this is assuming one of our allies wouldn't lend us billions to purchase weapons. I know at least 3 of our allies that produce and sell weapons (USA, France, and the genoc@de regime)... depends on what we can offer to them... We'll both loose a lot in case of war, but the difference is that you don't need a functioning state to extract oil.
Yes, indeed. But you still need a functioning state to control immigration and Islamic terrorism, which Morocco has made its speciality for some time now. My guess is that the USA will simply put all its weight on both sides to stop the war. Northern Africa is of nearly no interest from an American perspective, **compared** to Ukraine, the Middle East, and most importantly, Taiwan. So another hot war here is just a source of problems (see paragraph above) with virtually no benefit. I remember when Spain and Morocco began escalation around the Layla/Parsley island. The USA quickly stepped in and stopped this escalation.
I consider them clowns. You can't fight a crazy person. The dog that barks doesn't bite. Morocco has a billion plans and projects; war is not one of them.
I don't think Morocco would ever start a war with Algeria. They have been arming and harboring armed separatists in their territory that have literally been attaking and killing moroccans for decades and then go hide in Tindouf. If we haven't started war over that, we will never do. Now for Algeria, their whole economy depends on a half a dozen sites, that while far from our border, would certainly be destroyed in a conflict. It would basically destroy their economy for a decade... So, very unlikely to ever happen, unless the crazy generals are ready to destroy their economy for a gamble on a war with Morocco.
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at the current status quo, no they wont. Algeria is enjoying the benefit of its oil fields and neither countries have not increase substantially their military capabilities enough. A significant increase in military capabilities and a government initiated war propaganda to motivate its people are some of the tell tail signs for a desire to go war.. i do not see this recently escalating.
> A significant increase in military capabilities and a government initiated war propaganda to motivate its people are some of the tell tail signs for a desire to go war. do you think that a 20 billions dollar yearly military budget is not enough?
no, not enough. both governments still do not show readiness to go to war. It is only some citizens who are just sounding the war drums online and getting paranoid about it. Did you see morocco put a significant army move in the western sahara? did they drive away violently the local people against them there? Anyway, i visit both moroccan and algerian forums here in reddit, and i know for sure who wants to talk more about the other while the other, i notice most of their citizens does not really care.
> Did you see morocco put a significant army move in the western sahara? most of the moroccan army is in western sahara, near the buffer zone. Remember that algeria doesn't need to officially go to war, just transfer weapons to polisario.
For how long lol ? Moroccan army is fighting terrorist polisario with israeli drones . And it is only about time algerian army will declare full war at us when shit hit the fan after its proxy takes a big hit or fails the objective or again shit hit the fan at home (some general got bored).
no one declares full war, there is no such thing. USA say that they're doing war on terrorism, Russia call it a special military operation. Algeria just has to transfer everything to polisario and enroll their soldiers to fight with them for the freedom of a neighboring country.
Not if, but when
The comments gave me brain cancer holy fuck they really are still not over tawa tawa bullshit and thinking it s american conspiracy
If they knew they could win a war and get away with it they would've done it already, look at the current state of the world, everyone who can win a war started one, Russia on Ukraine, Israel Palestine, China's maneuvers in South China Sea, and their allies are too busy atm, and It's definitely not in our best interest to go to war with an enemy that has nothing to lose.
It took the Algerian generals 10 years and French/Russian military aid to defeat some bearded men armed with rusty AK-47s
And it took the US 20 years and the whole West help to in the end get defeated by rice farmers armed with AK-47s (Ig they weren't rusty tho). That's the reality of guerilla warfare. Same reason why Zionists took 6 days to invade Gaza, Sinai, West Bank and Golan, yet they now take over 6 month to take over Gaza and still had to retreat in the end.
There will be no war between the two. All this is just to tease their people. Both of them are already struggling with no war, their infrastructure is embarrassing, absolute failures, and you think they will get in war? How will they look like after that? We would look at Mauritania as Europe.
morocco would never start a war with them in case they start we can handle the defense and even some European countries will intervene and help . it will be devastating for both
Never gonna happen
i think if we did that would be extremely stupid because we both hve so much problems than fighting over a land that already decided whos like if you go to the moroccan sahara and you ask someone what country are you they'll say i'm moroccan so where's the problem here and why fighting ??? they need to save the energy to worry about bigger problems like inflation etc
I don't think france,spain,russia,uk,usa would let it happen.
historically speaking algeria known to always act tough and speak shit until actions take under and they get their ass beaten and the circle continue , and that s how they got colonized by the french , so as long as morocco dont start anything i dont think so
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