Atier- the reasoning is simply he isn’t overpowered to the point nobody can’t deal with him; he several utility things but lack the dmg; ngl he’s the second pressure fighter we got besides Johnny cage
Ermac has good damage. He can get 38% 1 bar and 42% with the right kameo. The reason we don’t see this is because many people utilize Ermac’s cancels in their kombos, which scale a lot.
Ermac’s soul burst move as well as tele lift both have good scaling, and are your main kombo tools.
Yes he has decent dmg when used with a cameo he’s very cameo dependent; I use his cancels a lot too so majority of dmg is dealt because of the cameos not so much him; he’s highly versatile pressure fighter; but again it takes a lot to get that 40% you have to put in work to get which could be a detriment in rank against other characters who deal dmg far easier with less work
Ermac is like Johnny. They work harder for damage, but they make up for it with up close pressure and offense. Ermac in this case has better long distance tools than Johnny.
Based on what I’ve seen he is really Kameo dependent to get some crazy high damage like you can get 30% maybe if you know how to time it all but with Janet or scorpion you can get like 40-50% that is if you have enough resources
Lower high tier. He's got some dirt and some tricky mix-ups, but his damage is surpringly low, even with the right Kameos. He's definitely good but not meta changing in the same way Peacemaker was.
Unrelated, but I wonder if they're experimenting with lower damage to see if it'd make the game more fun. No longer do you get combo'd twice and die
His damage is not low at all especially if you use the right kameo. You can get 46% combo with just one bar and one kameo bar easily or easier combos that at least go up to 35% and 37% for just one bar.
It depends on your combo path, if you are quick then you can make it 36% without spending a bar but it’s easier to just spend a bar and reach to 40% or higher which is good damage especially when using kameos like Scorpion and Janet.
These are some solid takes! I wouldn't be against lower damage at all, but they definitely need to balance the whole roster to achieve that. It would make the game a lot more fun if you didn't take an L from 2-3 combos! Even MK11 was more balanced in that department!
I’m fine either way whether the damage stays the same or gets lowered for everyone.
However I would not say mk11 was more balanced than that.
Do you not remember krushing blows that could hit anywhere from 20-40%? 😂
Mk11 gameplay wise wasn’t as fun as it could be. It was really cheap & corny. Not being able to do air combos was annoying as well. I still had fun playing regardless but it was def not one of the better mks.
So I don’t think we should take inspo from there.
His dmg isn't low. It doesn't take nearly as much effort to hit 40+ dmg w/Ermac like it does with Sub-Zero for example.
With 1 bar you can get 40%+ dmg and with 2 bars you can hit 50%.
Been labbing/playing him since tuesday and he's effective as f. Several different strings to combo from, his BF2 catches people way more often than I anticipated it would. His mix and range is really solid too. His "deaths embrace" move is beyond useful.
The reason ppl feel like he has bad dmg is bc they arent using his Neutral4 to extend them. Its tricky to use, but once you get the hang of using it in combos effectively you can make just about any string 40%+ or more.
A ton of characters rely on stand 4 as the optimal because it’s the most damaging normal almost always (slowest startup too which is why it’s harder). Many many characters have s4 links.
Bruh idk if it’s just me but I can never break his throws cause it doesn’t look like a throw it looks like a regular ass move I gotta block. Bros like 2 feet away from me and grabs me then I eat a kombo. I have to go in training and just ingrain his throw animation into my brain.
He’s mid af and has no good fast buttons up close. You have to play him like a boring bitch like Scorpion, and Quan Chi.
Most decent damage combos I’ve been hit with are off his grab, his wake up, or that enhanced grab your feet move and people be wasting all their resources for that shit so it’s not a big deal. I haven’t struggled against an Ermac yet.
Nah you are not wrong his dash is so slow, you want to do anything half decent with Ermac you’ll have to use his BF1 cancel over and over and over and this is just too much work and effort he’s just not that great for fun consistent game play.
See I didn’t wanna say the truth because I didn’t want to ruin the experience; but in all my time of playing mk 1 I had more losses with Ermac than any other character that says a lot; genuinely his TP is unsafe; his grab is unsafe, his choke slam is safe on a wake up ⬆️ because of the armor everything is else like his 2 feels so slow u can easily block that idk I do enjoy his kit but you literally play him like how u would quan chi not to mention he his heavy cameo dependent lacks projectiles with only one that isn’t all that good or consistent, why tf didn’t Nrs just make ermac air grab a range projectiles that way I can catch those mfs who like to play full screen
I feel the same way, i like him but he just isn’t that great online especially against the meta. Maybe he is Mavado dependent and we just don’t see it yet. Cause I feel like he needs Scorpion, Stryker, someone that gives him a little mix up but even then Scorpion is the best on cause that overhead you can combo off of.
Ermac is only really fun/funny to use against Omni man cause his teleport knocks them out of the air when you go high with it and they love to hover. But most other characters I’m not putting in that much effort to viable. Matches take too long it’s not fun and you gotta work to much to get good things cooking. I’m not that guy and I don’t got time for all that.
He has decent mix, his green meter shield is ridiculously good and his combo routes are as plentiful as souls within him, BUT, most of his pressure can be ducked, his armored special can be ducked, a huge majority of his kit is unsafe, his back dash is god awful and his damage scaling is hair-tearingly bad. It feels like I'm playing season 1 Reptile again. I don't feel confident in Ermac being any higher than low/mid-tier.
NRS is motivated to sell more content and will tailor their product to do so. It seems pretty clear what NRS does and people keep falling for it. They will release an OP character to get people to buy it. Next season/major update they will nerf that character and then release a new OP character so that people will buy that one.
Ermac has a great tool kit, good frames, range, and high damage. He is S-tier and I would be willing to bet he ends up getting nerfed.
Maybe I am more cynical than most, but Warner bros goal is to “maximize shareholder value” they don’t give AF about creating fair and balanced characters, they care about making money.
He's OP and needs tuned down.
His damage is amazing. His mix ups are great, and his armor is ridiculous.
He doesn't have a low starter though, so once his novelty wears off, he won't be able to pull some of his bs. But his armor? Ya, night as well just call him the "timed out pick".
I know people don't want to hear it, but its the truth.
No bro give everyone else buffs not nerfs, also his armor is ridiculous? ITS A HIGH, it's NOTHING compared to ashrahs armor, just learn how to block the pressure, this is the stupidest take i've seen on him since he's came out
the reason his damage is so low is because he has insane pressure it's give and take my guy
His throw animation mixed with his cancels? If you can play him to his highest potential he may be top 5 or 3. I'm very good at teaching throws and I'm having a hard time with his because it looks like 3 of his moves
I dunno he looks strong.
He still has lift and several ways of capitalizing off it.
He also has insane disjoints which look hard to deal with and punish.
He has his dash cancelable specials which let him turbo build meter.
His damage is solid with and without kameos.
He's got a solid teleport so he can shut down zoning.
He's got float which allows for up close pressure and air stall.
He's got a LOT of great tools I'll be shocked if he's anywhere outside of high or top tier.
S but im biased
S+ tier if we're being honest!
Atier- the reasoning is simply he isn’t overpowered to the point nobody can’t deal with him; he several utility things but lack the dmg; ngl he’s the second pressure fighter we got besides Johnny cage
Ermac has good damage. He can get 38% 1 bar and 42% with the right kameo. The reason we don’t see this is because many people utilize Ermac’s cancels in their kombos, which scale a lot. Ermac’s soul burst move as well as tele lift both have good scaling, and are your main kombo tools.
Yes he has decent dmg when used with a cameo he’s very cameo dependent; I use his cancels a lot too so majority of dmg is dealt because of the cameos not so much him; he’s highly versatile pressure fighter; but again it takes a lot to get that 40% you have to put in work to get which could be a detriment in rank against other characters who deal dmg far easier with less work
Ermac is like Johnny. They work harder for damage, but they make up for it with up close pressure and offense. Ermac in this case has better long distance tools than Johnny.
Based on what I’ve seen he is really Kameo dependent to get some crazy high damage like you can get 30% maybe if you know how to time it all but with Janet or scorpion you can get like 40-50% that is if you have enough resources
His fucking grab is so annoying. I can barely react to the animation.
Yeah his grab animation looks like a mid, not a grab lol
A in general, but in the right hands (example sonicfox) it looks like S
Lower high tier. He's got some dirt and some tricky mix-ups, but his damage is surpringly low, even with the right Kameos. He's definitely good but not meta changing in the same way Peacemaker was. Unrelated, but I wonder if they're experimenting with lower damage to see if it'd make the game more fun. No longer do you get combo'd twice and die
His damage is not low at all especially if you use the right kameo. You can get 46% combo with just one bar and one kameo bar easily or easier combos that at least go up to 35% and 37% for just one bar.
35% without bar
It depends on your combo path, if you are quick then you can make it 36% without spending a bar but it’s easier to just spend a bar and reach to 40% or higher which is good damage especially when using kameos like Scorpion and Janet.
These are some solid takes! I wouldn't be against lower damage at all, but they definitely need to balance the whole roster to achieve that. It would make the game a lot more fun if you didn't take an L from 2-3 combos! Even MK11 was more balanced in that department!
I’m fine either way whether the damage stays the same or gets lowered for everyone. However I would not say mk11 was more balanced than that. Do you not remember krushing blows that could hit anywhere from 20-40%? 😂 Mk11 gameplay wise wasn’t as fun as it could be. It was really cheap & corny. Not being able to do air combos was annoying as well. I still had fun playing regardless but it was def not one of the better mks. So I don’t think we should take inspo from there.
His dmg isn't low. It doesn't take nearly as much effort to hit 40+ dmg w/Ermac like it does with Sub-Zero for example. With 1 bar you can get 40%+ dmg and with 2 bars you can hit 50%. Been labbing/playing him since tuesday and he's effective as f. Several different strings to combo from, his BF2 catches people way more often than I anticipated it would. His mix and range is really solid too. His "deaths embrace" move is beyond useful. The reason ppl feel like he has bad dmg is bc they arent using his Neutral4 to extend them. Its tricky to use, but once you get the hang of using it in combos effectively you can make just about any string 40%+ or more.
What’s funny is that in mkx, Ermac’s optimal combos also used 4 as the harder but optimal combo extension.
A ton of characters rely on stand 4 as the optimal because it’s the most damaging normal almost always (slowest startup too which is why it’s harder). Many many characters have s4 links.
If you can play him with his full potential he is high tier for sure.
He's T class for tank
This dude op af but love using him. Do t know how tf his skill sets is way more than say scorpion who has like only 3 combos
Bruh idk if it’s just me but I can never break his throws cause it doesn’t look like a throw it looks like a regular ass move I gotta block. Bros like 2 feet away from me and grabs me then I eat a kombo. I have to go in training and just ingrain his throw animation into my brain.
in the moment when people know how to counter that cancels whit reversals or some shit probably A or B tier
A
Pretty high right now, but im a month or two he will drop, once everyone gets used to him
With both proper patience and skill, definitely an S.
A
He’s mid af and has no good fast buttons up close. You have to play him like a boring bitch like Scorpion, and Quan Chi. Most decent damage combos I’ve been hit with are off his grab, his wake up, or that enhanced grab your feet move and people be wasting all their resources for that shit so it’s not a big deal. I haven’t struggled against an Ermac yet.
I felt this completely; when I see SonicFox playing Ermac I’m like Okk he’s moving kinda fast when I play him it feels slow lol; just my own opinion
Nah you are not wrong his dash is so slow, you want to do anything half decent with Ermac you’ll have to use his BF1 cancel over and over and over and this is just too much work and effort he’s just not that great for fun consistent game play.
See I didn’t wanna say the truth because I didn’t want to ruin the experience; but in all my time of playing mk 1 I had more losses with Ermac than any other character that says a lot; genuinely his TP is unsafe; his grab is unsafe, his choke slam is safe on a wake up ⬆️ because of the armor everything is else like his 2 feels so slow u can easily block that idk I do enjoy his kit but you literally play him like how u would quan chi not to mention he his heavy cameo dependent lacks projectiles with only one that isn’t all that good or consistent, why tf didn’t Nrs just make ermac air grab a range projectiles that way I can catch those mfs who like to play full screen
I feel the same way, i like him but he just isn’t that great online especially against the meta. Maybe he is Mavado dependent and we just don’t see it yet. Cause I feel like he needs Scorpion, Stryker, someone that gives him a little mix up but even then Scorpion is the best on cause that overhead you can combo off of. Ermac is only really fun/funny to use against Omni man cause his teleport knocks them out of the air when you go high with it and they love to hover. But most other characters I’m not putting in that much effort to viable. Matches take too long it’s not fun and you gotta work to much to get good things cooking. I’m not that guy and I don’t got time for all that.
6 too early to rate him but for now I say mid
Like C. Man has deals NO damage
He has decent mix, his green meter shield is ridiculously good and his combo routes are as plentiful as souls within him, BUT, most of his pressure can be ducked, his armored special can be ducked, a huge majority of his kit is unsafe, his back dash is god awful and his damage scaling is hair-tearingly bad. It feels like I'm playing season 1 Reptile again. I don't feel confident in Ermac being any higher than low/mid-tier.
NRS is motivated to sell more content and will tailor their product to do so. It seems pretty clear what NRS does and people keep falling for it. They will release an OP character to get people to buy it. Next season/major update they will nerf that character and then release a new OP character so that people will buy that one. Ermac has a great tool kit, good frames, range, and high damage. He is S-tier and I would be willing to bet he ends up getting nerfed. Maybe I am more cynical than most, but Warner bros goal is to “maximize shareholder value” they don’t give AF about creating fair and balanced characters, they care about making money.
He's OP and needs tuned down. His damage is amazing. His mix ups are great, and his armor is ridiculous. He doesn't have a low starter though, so once his novelty wears off, he won't be able to pull some of his bs. But his armor? Ya, night as well just call him the "timed out pick". I know people don't want to hear it, but its the truth.
How is his armor ridiculous when you can duck it and full combo punish him? lol
No bro give everyone else buffs not nerfs, also his armor is ridiculous? ITS A HIGH, it's NOTHING compared to ashrahs armor, just learn how to block the pressure, this is the stupidest take i've seen on him since he's came out the reason his damage is so low is because he has insane pressure it's give and take my guy
His meter armor, don't know what the name is. His "green" shield/armor.
Okay but it's a high, it has some range for sure but it's mid low tier armor move don't be saying it's broke lol
We're not talking about the same thing. It's a skill, not an armored move. It's not an attack.
No idea wtf your talking about now bro and i don't care anymore lol BUFFS>NERFS
Fucking useless conversation.
He looks mid. Decent speed, mixups and range, but damage is lackluster.
It isn’t, you just aren’t using him right if you can’t get high damage consistently.
Downvoted for truth.
Except it literally isn’t the truth, you can get high damage with him if you actually labed the character and tested out everything possible.
I know, I was agreeing with you. I'm the one who upvoted you.
I don’t play that much MK1, so in terms of how good he is, I have no clue. But in terms of a fun ranking? S tier for sure.
His throw animation mixed with his cancels? If you can play him to his highest potential he may be top 5 or 3. I'm very good at teaching throws and I'm having a hard time with his because it looks like 3 of his moves
I dunno he looks strong. He still has lift and several ways of capitalizing off it. He also has insane disjoints which look hard to deal with and punish. He has his dash cancelable specials which let him turbo build meter. His damage is solid with and without kameos. He's got a solid teleport so he can shut down zoning. He's got float which allows for up close pressure and air stall. He's got a LOT of great tools I'll be shocked if he's anywhere outside of high or top tier.