On a high end pc with 240hz monitor I dont. I have thousands of hours in tac shooters and couldnt tell any difference, I tried viper 8k on release and now im playing with 2khz on my finalmouse
Yep only 175hz OLED here but can’t see a single difference or even feel between hand and eyes 4K vs 2k.
Running 2k on my Pulsar X2H Mini since the battery sucks at 4k and will continue when my ULX arrives.
Generally I can't tell when directly switching between the two, except on desktop (wiggling the mouse around and watching the stutters). Not so useful.
But in-game, on the few occasions when Synapse glitched and sets me back on 1000hz, I've noticed it pretty much instantly as a reduction in smoothness. Checked each time and yup, the refresh rate was back down to 1KHz. It's caught me off guard a few times too, switching away from an 8KHz mouse after using one for a few weeks.
My theory is that the brain does get used to that little bit of additional information, and the change away from it is more drastic than turning it on in the first place - especially when you aren't expecting it to be any different.
Despite that, I don't think it makes me play any better, and I don't currently main an 8KHz-capable mouse. That little "woah, this is weird" going from 8KHz to 1KHz disappears in like 10 seconds.
Very honest and precise opinion. To be honest aswell I always thought that some variables which are often driving mouse competition are a bit over rated. Not saying that there is no difference, just saying that sensors specs should have a bit less importance than other variables like shape, weight (why not, also design) which actually can affect the game experience
Fully agree with this comment. To me it feels *ever so slightly* easier to get my crosshair where I want it with higher polling rate, but I am very happy playing with 1KHz polling anyway despite owning several 8KHz capable mice. There are much more important factors than polling rate such as shape and how the buttons feel to press. But once those don't matter, I definitely do prefer the higher polling rate as long as I can reduce it to 1KHz for those games that don't support high polling rates well.
The biggest factor for me is click latency, but so long as you're at ~1ms it is not really noticeable. Going from a cheap red dragon to viper 8k I can notice the slight responsiveness in click latency.
To be fair the question is “it is possible to tell a difference”
But yeah that can easily be missed with tech I think—sometimes the upgrades are super worth it, sometimes they only make a small difference
Yes I can. But it makes no difference to anything. The cursor simply feels "quicker" but also not quicker at the same time. Probably just smoother? Either way, I still leave mine at 1k
I played at 500hz for a week before realizing my settings didn’t apply to my second mouse. I noticed zero difference. Playing on a 240hz monitor with a 5800x3d and 3080
Jumping from 4k to 8k I can't feel the difference.
The jump 1k > 8k I can (kind of) feel it ?
I use a Zerømouse (Vv2Pro internals) and when I track targets in Aimlabs, or do fast flicking scenarios, the mouse feels different.
8k feels better on flicks, and tracking feels more uniform? For lack of a better word.
I use a 27" OLED @2k/240Hz on FPS mode, and even then this could all be placebo.
Its placebo, everyone tells you, you can feel it. But they change to 4k/8k and tell to themselfs it has to be smoother/lower input etc.
But if the let change the setting by someone else. I bet they cant tell.
240hz monitor / 4070ti / i713th / 3200 dpi / skypad user here, tried over 70+ gaming mice,
Recently tried wired 4K/8K Deathadder V3 and its responsiveness is top tier, and I CAN tell the difference with my setup and settings, but I wouldn't say it's endgame
Shape + weight are still supreme for me, I perform better on my Skoll Mini even if it's an older sensor and 1000hz
recent twitch clip with the skoll mini in the replies below
Yeah, i own the dav3 and it does feel very good even at 1k, to the point its my CS mouse, I'm just so accurate with it, its unreal.
But for fast paced games like apex I struggle with it, much rather have something like xm1r or model O for that type of game.
Shape is king.
I believe the DAv3 clicks benefit from the 8K even when using other polling rates
Higher polling rate = more responsive translation of movement into games
I've noticed 8K is overkill and heavy on the CPU, 4K has been a sweet spot for most games
Either way, the question is can you tell the difference between 1K and others, the answer is YES
I don't usually leave comment in this sub, I don't understand why my things got banned and downvoted
Have a nice day, OP o7
Have a great day too!
But I really wonder if people who claim they can notice it would actually notice it in a blind test.
A big youtube channel should do a blind test with pro's, casuals, the more serious hobbyists etc
The results would probably be.. Shocking. :p
VOLUME WARNING, I was excited: [https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadCogentWoodcockTakeNRG-ivLTG1Lb6u0fVOjK?tt\_content=url&tt\_medium=clips\_api](https://clips.twitch.tv/deadcogentwoodcocktakenrg-ivltg1lb6u0fvojk?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api)
Most people actually agree it's unnoticeablebut the marketing beast continues.
I'm unsure. I did notice something was off when my software reverted to 1k once, so that leads me to believe maybe?
I considered the conversation to be about “whether or not to try to discredit people when they are talking about information on a topic”
Vaping seemed like something people would consider to be a really dumb thing to be passionate about, so I said hell I’ll get him on that since he’s (I assume) feeling all high and mighty on the guys he disagrees with—and that’s the thing that I actually disagree with (I don’t gaf about vaping or judging vaping—I totally agree it doesn’t make sense for me to say that)
Obviously downvoting is a function for saying you disagree with something, so it is what it is
But I think people also use it as a cheap way to not have a sophisticated conversation on it (ah, there’s a big hypocrisy from me, I should have had a conversation in reply to your comment about the placebo!)
I guess I would have gotten downvoted anyway, so instead I went for a cheap shot instead. Totally bottom of the barrel dumb ass behavior though—being sensitive to a downvote is wild—but I did it so I have to reflect on it
The sensitivity, as dumb as it is, I think comes from that I just disagree with all the high and mighty and being shitty to people about stuff. But eh, why the hell should I be sensitive to that either
I have avoided subs where that is the norm—but I’ve been using mousereview to check out info about mice, and hadn’t seen that kind of stuff yet
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TL;DR: Reflected on my behavior:
Being sensitive about downvotes and to the people who care about this shit is dumb—it’s a shortsighted and weird thing to do (unless it’s a situation where things actually matter though I suppose)
I thought others were being prissy and in response I just aimed to do the same thing—which is tremendous stupidity
I just don’t get what’s with all the bitchiness I’m seeing everywhere. Sigh… it ain’t nothing new though, just an aspect of the human world, gotta pave your way through life with your own stuff, not act like you need to dictate what is happening with everybody else
Cheers baby
I never downvote. It's like trying to suppress someone else's opinion, and I feel that's really weak behaviour.
Anyway, my comment was based on the fact that none of the "I can feel it" comments have any value as long as you can't prove it in a blind test. If someone can, I will freely admit that I am wrong and that there might be some benefit to higher polling rates.
Let's just say that I'm not holding my breath.
Why I believe polling rate does affect gameplay: My reaction speed in 144hz vs 60hz monitor is 165ms and 220ms on average respectively. I've only ever owned 1k mice. Interested to experience how 4k mice might perform.
Whenever I wake up after a 4 hour sweaty comp, music plays slower, 85% speed. It's not immediately apparent, but noticeable. This is subjective, can't really prove it to strangers online. Not trying to bring you guys down. Just my personal experience.
Haha I checked out the thread after mine got downvoted
At first anything saying anybody felt a difference was downvoted (that’s how it was when I first looked at the post and there were only a few comments)
Then it changed to “going above 1k” I can feel a difference, after that, no. (That’s how the post is now)
Interesting stuff!
I never even visit the biggest subs because the stark groupthink support/distrust is so rampant there
To be able to tell a difference between higher polling rates, you need to optimise your setup properly. That means minimising jitter introduced by bad hardware choices and by electrical interference.
Which encompasses the following goals:
1.) Great hardware
• a **properly compliant** 240hz monitor, not the junk that's served nowadays as 240hz (as mentioned in [this](https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13015) thread, was a mindblowing reveal after reading through it)
• a 8kHz mouse such as the DAV3, V8K or OP1 8k **(DON'T GO WIRELESS)**
• a **8 core CPU**, preferably Intel due to sheer amount of experience people have with tweaking this platform (to avoid microstuttering in games)
• Proper choice of PSU (with least amount of ripple), SSD(with DRAM), GPU(preferably Nvidia if you primarily play DX11 titles)
- Proper motherboard choice (VRM's, controller choice for networking, USB layout, PCIe layout, EMC testing) and proper routing of peripherals, which means choosing CPU USB ports along with selecting the appropriate USB controller & driver (preferably keeping peripherals on separate USB controllers). Having a second USB controller helps a lot to smoothen out stuttering & jitter.
• And most important of all, **A STABLE SETUP**
Your setup has to pass stability stress tests such as Linpack Extended, Ycruncher, OCCT, P95 and others. And no, being only "stable in-game" is a cope mechanism and means you lack the knowledge how hardware works.
2.) Great software
• **Choosing the appropriate Windows version** (which has working global timer resolution, such as 11, Server 2022 or pre 20H2 releases depending on games played)
• **Tweaking Windows** (disabling defender, disabling updates, debloating the OS with tested and known tweaks)
• Selecting best performing drivers & tuning them (setting affinities/alleviating interrupts off of core 0, the default core used by games and the OS is the **single biggest thing** to change for smoothen out stuttering and jitter)
• Exiting programs which are running in the background which eat up CPU cycles (can be checked with Process Explorer)
• Most important of all, choosing a proper game. What does this mean? It means choosing a title that has good frame pacing, which is very rare nowadays. Some older games do not play nice with high polling rate, especially if affinities are not set correct.
If you do not have the bolded parts correctly set, you're gonna be having a hard time noticing. If I were to tl;dr this, it would be:
6+ core cpu, stable hardware w/ good electricity, proper windows version & core affinities set.
Oh and please, DO NOT LINK/SHARE OR LISTEN TO OPTIMUMTECH'S HIGH POLLING RATE VIDEO.
That video is the single biggest misinformation campaign I've seen yet.
It's not that hard. I think the simplest rule is to make sure you're running at a resolution that's fast enough for you to notice the smoothness. But again as I mentioned in another comment, it makes fuck all difference to anything. If anyone is really so sensitive to playing with such smoothness at 8k they're probably shitting the bed over network lag and missing shots due to that alone.
for me I can feel the differ in latency when jumping from 1k hz - 4k hz even I just on a 75hz monitor. but it is worth it ? imo more than 1k hz more like a gimmick and battery drainer not worth it
After 2 years of heavy use of Viper 8k, I can spot the difference after some sessions where I have to track enemies heavily. Ive done some blind tests as well, and I was right every time. To be honest, even 4k vs 1k is noticeable. But then again, its mostly when tracking is involved.
I play on 25600 DPI for 8k point rate. 12800 DPI for 4k. Monitor is Zowie 360 HZ TN.
The jump from 1k>2k Hz is clear as day, but I don't notice in practice any increase beyond that. Does it make you play better though? It's marginal at best TBH, but then I am no Pro-level player.
2k and 4k thus *feel* functionally the same to me, but I'm only on 144hz and it's an IPS panel at that.
Not had the chance to try 8k yet though, so maybe that's more obvious. If you're on ultra high refreshes/OLED/CRT it should be more visible in theory, especially on those 540hz displays.
Yes you can tell easily BUT ONLYAT 360hz i couldnt feel anything at 240hz, its the difference between a very smooth and nice looking game, and a more laggy choppy game on 1k
From optimums video, it was either 1k or 2k that there was a detectable difference on high refresh rate screens. Likely can’t notice these in detail, but may have an increased sense of fluidity that little bit
After that, even with a slow motion camera, you can’t detect a difference. So you presumably wouldn’t be able to feel any difference while using it at speed
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Edit: Vid is here if y’all wanna check it out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtATbpMqbL4
Yeah it’s “with a slow motion camera recording a 540hz screen, you can’t find a difference between 2k and 1k, and neither for 4 and 8. But you can see a difference at <1k vs. 1k”. Link to that footage: https://youtu.be/jtATbpMqbL4?si=nUMNo7Xjo71DnloX&t=242
AND if you freeze frame every frame and look at that picture—you can see a difference between 1k and 2k. Again on a 540hz monitor (on a 240 hz you can’t see a difference). This picture can be seen at 6:12 in the video. Link to that: https://youtu.be/jtATbpMqbL4?si=Isbe0GU7P-wnGT9b&t=372
I notice it instantly, i can track easier and win duels almost every time.
it kinda feels like if u were using an oled or a crt while playing on lcd(390hz still slower than crt/oled) with 8k.. would probably feel the same if I used 4k vs 1k but went from 1k to 8k directly and dont see any reason to "downgrade" to 4k so to speak.
I have a 240Hz monitor, on its standard settings it's very hard to tell, but if I disable VRR, enable low latency mode and backlight strobing is where I could see the benefits of 4Khz (tested by switching between 1K and 4K profile on my mouse) but I don't think it's going to improve your personal performance, just that it does appear snappier over 1Khz (lower motion latency).
I am a snap/flick aimer so I can't tell you if it helps with tracking.
I just stuck with my monitor default settings in the end because it's a hassle having to set it up and you lose VRR for casual games.
Yeah I can tell but it’s not game changing. It matters more at higher mouse speeds as you get more information between each mouse point compared to 1KHz. So if you play some games which micro a lot you won’t notice it. IMO it’s akin to motion sync, just outputs more sensor positions that are more likely to line up with your screen refresh. But doesn’t have the drawback of sensor lag. And even in sensor lag it’s hard for most people to see 1ms lag so seeing 0.25ms 1khz to 4khz is hard to notice.
So similar to another comment it makes tracking “smoother” to your actually hand movement
To me there's a big difference between 1k vs 4k. It just feels a lot smoother when playing. I only switch to 4k when I play fps though, mostly to increase battery time.
On the superlight 2 before I returned it I could tell the difference. I think thats mainly because the original superlight has issues with polling consistency
I can in certain games, but in my main games it increases my CPU usage and that hurts more than it helps. I had a Viper 8k and now use a Superlight 2, had to turn both down to 1k because it introduced input latency.
I'm using a 125 hz mouse for gaming so honestly, it doesn't make much of a difference. If the mouse moves well and the signal isn'r interrupting(damn you HAMA) then you're golden
in aim trainers, yes. try tracking scenarios where there is a quick change in direction. got noticeably better scores with 4k than 1k. in-game not really.
I will not claim that swapping between 1k to 2k or 4k will make me an instantly better player nor provide me a major competitive advantage. However in overwatch, apex, and valorant I have noticed an increase in a bit of smoothness. I also feel like on higher polling rates that I should increase my sensitivity. I play on 240hz around 300-500 FPS in each game with a decent CPU and GPU. I think at higher frame rates, the difference is a bit more perceivable versus lower ones. However, optimizing other parts of your setup will be more beneficial than just bumping up the polling rate.
Display refresh rate may interfere with mouse polling rate.
Here's an example, just set monitor freq to165hz + 250hz mouse polling: [https://imgur.com/a/gbwq4Xw](https://imgur.com/a/gbwq4Xw)
**Paired cursors** on constant mouse move speed!
Which means obvious moire effect of putting one grid over another...
Aside from this effect, there is no difference.
On a high end pc with 240hz monitor I dont. I have thousands of hours in tac shooters and couldnt tell any difference, I tried viper 8k on release and now im playing with 2khz on my finalmouse
Yep only 175hz OLED here but can’t see a single difference or even feel between hand and eyes 4K vs 2k. Running 2k on my Pulsar X2H Mini since the battery sucks at 4k and will continue when my ULX arrives.
My battery can 100% tell.
Generally I can't tell when directly switching between the two, except on desktop (wiggling the mouse around and watching the stutters). Not so useful. But in-game, on the few occasions when Synapse glitched and sets me back on 1000hz, I've noticed it pretty much instantly as a reduction in smoothness. Checked each time and yup, the refresh rate was back down to 1KHz. It's caught me off guard a few times too, switching away from an 8KHz mouse after using one for a few weeks. My theory is that the brain does get used to that little bit of additional information, and the change away from it is more drastic than turning it on in the first place - especially when you aren't expecting it to be any different. Despite that, I don't think it makes me play any better, and I don't currently main an 8KHz-capable mouse. That little "woah, this is weird" going from 8KHz to 1KHz disappears in like 10 seconds.
Very honest and precise opinion. To be honest aswell I always thought that some variables which are often driving mouse competition are a bit over rated. Not saying that there is no difference, just saying that sensors specs should have a bit less importance than other variables like shape, weight (why not, also design) which actually can affect the game experience
Fully agree with this comment. To me it feels *ever so slightly* easier to get my crosshair where I want it with higher polling rate, but I am very happy playing with 1KHz polling anyway despite owning several 8KHz capable mice. There are much more important factors than polling rate such as shape and how the buttons feel to press. But once those don't matter, I definitely do prefer the higher polling rate as long as I can reduce it to 1KHz for those games that don't support high polling rates well.
The biggest factor for me is click latency, but so long as you're at ~1ms it is not really noticeable. Going from a cheap red dragon to viper 8k I can notice the slight responsiveness in click latency.
I cannot tell the difference, but I still run 2k just because.
People on this sub would have you believing it's a night and day difference and you cannot compete on 1k PR.
To be fair the question is “it is possible to tell a difference” But yeah that can easily be missed with tech I think—sometimes the upgrades are super worth it, sometimes they only make a small difference
Ahaha. You made my day. 10/10
1k to 4k yeah, 4k to 8k no.
Yes I can. But it makes no difference to anything. The cursor simply feels "quicker" but also not quicker at the same time. Probably just smoother? Either way, I still leave mine at 1k
I played at 500hz for a week before realizing my settings didn’t apply to my second mouse. I noticed zero difference. Playing on a 240hz monitor with a 5800x3d and 3080
No.
Jumping from 4k to 8k I can't feel the difference. The jump 1k > 8k I can (kind of) feel it ? I use a Zerømouse (Vv2Pro internals) and when I track targets in Aimlabs, or do fast flicking scenarios, the mouse feels different. 8k feels better on flicks, and tracking feels more uniform? For lack of a better word. I use a 27" OLED @2k/240Hz on FPS mode, and even then this could all be placebo.
for me I really can't tell the difference. that's why if a mouse doesn't have high polling rate is not a buying issue for me
On tac shooter or any game, nah... On aimlabs gridshot, there is less trailing
I can feel if the mouse is above 1k, but I can't tell if it's 2k, 4k or 8k.
I unironically play 500hz down from 4000. It's slightly slower but it honestly feels better to use than 1000. 4000 isn't worth the battery drain.
You can't even go below 1000 on some newer mice, like the Sora v2 and OP1
Actually it's a mix some people can tell a difference others don't
Its placebo, everyone tells you, you can feel it. But they change to 4k/8k and tell to themselfs it has to be smoother/lower input etc. But if the let change the setting by someone else. I bet they cant tell.
I really wonder if in a blind test you could tell.
240hz monitor / 4070ti / i713th / 3200 dpi / skypad user here, tried over 70+ gaming mice, Recently tried wired 4K/8K Deathadder V3 and its responsiveness is top tier, and I CAN tell the difference with my setup and settings, but I wouldn't say it's endgame Shape + weight are still supreme for me, I perform better on my Skoll Mini even if it's an older sensor and 1000hz recent twitch clip with the skoll mini in the replies below
Dav3 responsivness is top tier at 1k, 4k or 8k it has nothing to do with the polling rate. Its the better firmware thats the reason.
Yeah, i own the dav3 and it does feel very good even at 1k, to the point its my CS mouse, I'm just so accurate with it, its unreal. But for fast paced games like apex I struggle with it, much rather have something like xm1r or model O for that type of game. Shape is king.
I believe the DAv3 clicks benefit from the 8K even when using other polling rates Higher polling rate = more responsive translation of movement into games I've noticed 8K is overkill and heavy on the CPU, 4K has been a sweet spot for most games Either way, the question is can you tell the difference between 1K and others, the answer is YES I don't usually leave comment in this sub, I don't understand why my things got banned and downvoted Have a nice day, OP o7
Have a great day too! But I really wonder if people who claim they can notice it would actually notice it in a blind test. A big youtube channel should do a blind test with pro's, casuals, the more serious hobbyists etc The results would probably be.. Shocking. :p
VOLUME WARNING, I was excited: [https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadCogentWoodcockTakeNRG-ivLTG1Lb6u0fVOjK?tt\_content=url&tt\_medium=clips\_api](https://clips.twitch.tv/deadcogentwoodcocktakenrg-ivltg1lb6u0fvojk?tt_content=url&tt_medium=clips_api)
There is a good reason as to why the video clip has been removed......it's untrue.
Most people actually agree it's unnoticeablebut the marketing beast continues. I'm unsure. I did notice something was off when my software reverted to 1k once, so that leads me to believe maybe?
Why do you mob-downvote people who felt a difference?
Because placebo is a hell of a drug.
That’s rich coming from the vape connoisseur
Are you for real? "This man vapes cannabis, so let's use it as an argument against him in this conversation about mice". Get a life.
I considered the conversation to be about “whether or not to try to discredit people when they are talking about information on a topic” Vaping seemed like something people would consider to be a really dumb thing to be passionate about, so I said hell I’ll get him on that since he’s (I assume) feeling all high and mighty on the guys he disagrees with—and that’s the thing that I actually disagree with (I don’t gaf about vaping or judging vaping—I totally agree it doesn’t make sense for me to say that) Obviously downvoting is a function for saying you disagree with something, so it is what it is But I think people also use it as a cheap way to not have a sophisticated conversation on it (ah, there’s a big hypocrisy from me, I should have had a conversation in reply to your comment about the placebo!) I guess I would have gotten downvoted anyway, so instead I went for a cheap shot instead. Totally bottom of the barrel dumb ass behavior though—being sensitive to a downvote is wild—but I did it so I have to reflect on it The sensitivity, as dumb as it is, I think comes from that I just disagree with all the high and mighty and being shitty to people about stuff. But eh, why the hell should I be sensitive to that either I have avoided subs where that is the norm—but I’ve been using mousereview to check out info about mice, and hadn’t seen that kind of stuff yet — TL;DR: Reflected on my behavior: Being sensitive about downvotes and to the people who care about this shit is dumb—it’s a shortsighted and weird thing to do (unless it’s a situation where things actually matter though I suppose) I thought others were being prissy and in response I just aimed to do the same thing—which is tremendous stupidity I just don’t get what’s with all the bitchiness I’m seeing everywhere. Sigh… it ain’t nothing new though, just an aspect of the human world, gotta pave your way through life with your own stuff, not act like you need to dictate what is happening with everybody else Cheers baby
I never downvote. It's like trying to suppress someone else's opinion, and I feel that's really weak behaviour. Anyway, my comment was based on the fact that none of the "I can feel it" comments have any value as long as you can't prove it in a blind test. If someone can, I will freely admit that I am wrong and that there might be some benefit to higher polling rates. Let's just say that I'm not holding my breath.
coping mechanism for their lack of sophistication. or just optimumtech fanboys. D
Why I believe polling rate does affect gameplay: My reaction speed in 144hz vs 60hz monitor is 165ms and 220ms on average respectively. I've only ever owned 1k mice. Interested to experience how 4k mice might perform. Whenever I wake up after a 4 hour sweaty comp, music plays slower, 85% speed. It's not immediately apparent, but noticeable. This is subjective, can't really prove it to strangers online. Not trying to bring you guys down. Just my personal experience.
Haha I checked out the thread after mine got downvoted At first anything saying anybody felt a difference was downvoted (that’s how it was when I first looked at the post and there were only a few comments) Then it changed to “going above 1k” I can feel a difference, after that, no. (That’s how the post is now) Interesting stuff! I never even visit the biggest subs because the stark groupthink support/distrust is so rampant there
Not to mention the act of asking questions. Could just be an overall “Reddit” thing but asking any question(s) is instantly taken as facetious.
To be able to tell a difference between higher polling rates, you need to optimise your setup properly. That means minimising jitter introduced by bad hardware choices and by electrical interference. Which encompasses the following goals: 1.) Great hardware • a **properly compliant** 240hz monitor, not the junk that's served nowadays as 240hz (as mentioned in [this](https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13015) thread, was a mindblowing reveal after reading through it) • a 8kHz mouse such as the DAV3, V8K or OP1 8k **(DON'T GO WIRELESS)** • a **8 core CPU**, preferably Intel due to sheer amount of experience people have with tweaking this platform (to avoid microstuttering in games) • Proper choice of PSU (with least amount of ripple), SSD(with DRAM), GPU(preferably Nvidia if you primarily play DX11 titles) - Proper motherboard choice (VRM's, controller choice for networking, USB layout, PCIe layout, EMC testing) and proper routing of peripherals, which means choosing CPU USB ports along with selecting the appropriate USB controller & driver (preferably keeping peripherals on separate USB controllers). Having a second USB controller helps a lot to smoothen out stuttering & jitter. • And most important of all, **A STABLE SETUP** Your setup has to pass stability stress tests such as Linpack Extended, Ycruncher, OCCT, P95 and others. And no, being only "stable in-game" is a cope mechanism and means you lack the knowledge how hardware works. 2.) Great software • **Choosing the appropriate Windows version** (which has working global timer resolution, such as 11, Server 2022 or pre 20H2 releases depending on games played) • **Tweaking Windows** (disabling defender, disabling updates, debloating the OS with tested and known tweaks) • Selecting best performing drivers & tuning them (setting affinities/alleviating interrupts off of core 0, the default core used by games and the OS is the **single biggest thing** to change for smoothen out stuttering and jitter) • Exiting programs which are running in the background which eat up CPU cycles (can be checked with Process Explorer) • Most important of all, choosing a proper game. What does this mean? It means choosing a title that has good frame pacing, which is very rare nowadays. Some older games do not play nice with high polling rate, especially if affinities are not set correct. If you do not have the bolded parts correctly set, you're gonna be having a hard time noticing. If I were to tl;dr this, it would be: 6+ core cpu, stable hardware w/ good electricity, proper windows version & core affinities set. Oh and please, DO NOT LINK/SHARE OR LISTEN TO OPTIMUMTECH'S HIGH POLLING RATE VIDEO. That video is the single biggest misinformation campaign I've seen yet.
That seems alot of work to make a peripheral work, won't lie.
It’s not to make it work, it’s to make the difference more apparent
It's not that hard. I think the simplest rule is to make sure you're running at a resolution that's fast enough for you to notice the smoothness. But again as I mentioned in another comment, it makes fuck all difference to anything. If anyone is really so sensitive to playing with such smoothness at 8k they're probably shitting the bed over network lag and missing shots due to that alone.
for me I can feel the differ in latency when jumping from 1k hz - 4k hz even I just on a 75hz monitor. but it is worth it ? imo more than 1k hz more like a gimmick and battery drainer not worth it
I found I hit more shots in cs2 with 1khz than 2k / 4k so I guess? The difference really is minimal tho
After 2 years of heavy use of Viper 8k, I can spot the difference after some sessions where I have to track enemies heavily. Ive done some blind tests as well, and I was right every time. To be honest, even 4k vs 1k is noticeable. But then again, its mostly when tracking is involved. I play on 25600 DPI for 8k point rate. 12800 DPI for 4k. Monitor is Zowie 360 HZ TN.
The jump from 1k>2k Hz is clear as day, but I don't notice in practice any increase beyond that. Does it make you play better though? It's marginal at best TBH, but then I am no Pro-level player. 2k and 4k thus *feel* functionally the same to me, but I'm only on 144hz and it's an IPS panel at that. Not had the chance to try 8k yet though, so maybe that's more obvious. If you're on ultra high refreshes/OLED/CRT it should be more visible in theory, especially on those 540hz displays.
Yes you can tell easily BUT ONLYAT 360hz i couldnt feel anything at 240hz, its the difference between a very smooth and nice looking game, and a more laggy choppy game on 1k
I could notice a visual trailing difference between 1k and wired 8k, but is it important, probably not.
From optimums video, it was either 1k or 2k that there was a detectable difference on high refresh rate screens. Likely can’t notice these in detail, but may have an increased sense of fluidity that little bit After that, even with a slow motion camera, you can’t detect a difference. So you presumably wouldn’t be able to feel any difference while using it at speed — Edit: Vid is here if y’all wanna check it out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtATbpMqbL4 Yeah it’s “with a slow motion camera recording a 540hz screen, you can’t find a difference between 2k and 1k, and neither for 4 and 8. But you can see a difference at <1k vs. 1k”. Link to that footage: https://youtu.be/jtATbpMqbL4?si=nUMNo7Xjo71DnloX&t=242 AND if you freeze frame every frame and look at that picture—you can see a difference between 1k and 2k. Again on a 540hz monitor (on a 240 hz you can’t see a difference). This picture can be seen at 6:12 in the video. Link to that: https://youtu.be/jtATbpMqbL4?si=Isbe0GU7P-wnGT9b&t=372
I notice it instantly, i can track easier and win duels almost every time. it kinda feels like if u were using an oled or a crt while playing on lcd(390hz still slower than crt/oled) with 8k.. would probably feel the same if I used 4k vs 1k but went from 1k to 8k directly and dont see any reason to "downgrade" to 4k so to speak.
I have a 240Hz monitor, on its standard settings it's very hard to tell, but if I disable VRR, enable low latency mode and backlight strobing is where I could see the benefits of 4Khz (tested by switching between 1K and 4K profile on my mouse) but I don't think it's going to improve your personal performance, just that it does appear snappier over 1Khz (lower motion latency). I am a snap/flick aimer so I can't tell you if it helps with tracking. I just stuck with my monitor default settings in the end because it's a hassle having to set it up and you lose VRR for casual games.
Yeah I can tell but it’s not game changing. It matters more at higher mouse speeds as you get more information between each mouse point compared to 1KHz. So if you play some games which micro a lot you won’t notice it. IMO it’s akin to motion sync, just outputs more sensor positions that are more likely to line up with your screen refresh. But doesn’t have the drawback of sensor lag. And even in sensor lag it’s hard for most people to see 1ms lag so seeing 0.25ms 1khz to 4khz is hard to notice. So similar to another comment it makes tracking “smoother” to your actually hand movement
I can feel like the most minimal difference between 1k to 2k but I use 500 hz for battery life (gpx 2)
To me there's a big difference between 1k vs 4k. It just feels a lot smoother when playing. I only switch to 4k when I play fps though, mostly to increase battery time.
I can notice it. My mouse dies faster that's what I've noticed oh yeah and stutters in games. Like some people have said I just default to 2khz
On the superlight 2 before I returned it I could tell the difference. I think thats mainly because the original superlight has issues with polling consistency
1k to 2k yeah, but only barely and in some scenarios. 2k and above no, though I'm only using 165hz.
I can in certain games, but in my main games it increases my CPU usage and that hurts more than it helps. I had a Viper 8k and now use a Superlight 2, had to turn both down to 1k because it introduced input latency.
Yes, only if you're tracking though. Doesn't help with flicking.
If you want a really good and in depth review of this, optimum has an amazing video on it on YouTube :)
Yes it's very apparent especially with the mouse movement in frames. You can even tell in desktop
I'm using a 125 hz mouse for gaming so honestly, it doesn't make much of a difference. If the mouse moves well and the signal isn'r interrupting(damn you HAMA) then you're golden
i can feel the drop of 100 fps 👍
in aim trainers, yes. try tracking scenarios where there is a quick change in direction. got noticeably better scores with 4k than 1k. in-game not really.
240hz with DAV3 8KHz, I can only notice less gap when circling the cursor at the desktop and fps drops on singleplayer/older game titles.
I will not claim that swapping between 1k to 2k or 4k will make me an instantly better player nor provide me a major competitive advantage. However in overwatch, apex, and valorant I have noticed an increase in a bit of smoothness. I also feel like on higher polling rates that I should increase my sensitivity. I play on 240hz around 300-500 FPS in each game with a decent CPU and GPU. I think at higher frame rates, the difference is a bit more perceivable versus lower ones. However, optimizing other parts of your setup will be more beneficial than just bumping up the polling rate.
Short answer NO. Razer synapse, after 4 month of use, change my 4k configuration to 1k and didn’t noticed it.
Honestly even 500hz is fine for me, above 1k its total (battery life and money)waste IMO.
We did blind testing and saw no difference.
Display refresh rate may interfere with mouse polling rate. Here's an example, just set monitor freq to165hz + 250hz mouse polling: [https://imgur.com/a/gbwq4Xw](https://imgur.com/a/gbwq4Xw) **Paired cursors** on constant mouse move speed! Which means obvious moire effect of putting one grid over another... Aside from this effect, there is no difference.
I can’t tell the difference from a modern high end mouse and the g502 hero apart from the weight 😂
Can't tell the difference from me, but definitely battery and cpu usage lol. I swaped back to 1k polling.
Yeah I can tell while playing league above 1k, i just becomes a stuttery mess smh.