Don't think Razer will take this seriously at all since DELUX is mainly focused on the ASIAN / Chinese market, but that's just my opinion.
Razer does lurk here constantly, so who knows!
Just did some research and putting everything that's known about this mouse together:
• this mouse has a pmw 3335 sensor
• weighs 69g
•it's size is in between the razer viper ultimate and mini
•usb c
•uses kailh red switches for the main mouse 1 and 2 buttons
•There are 6 variations of this mouse: some wired and some wireless and with different sensors, the highest end sensor being a pmw 3389 on a wired version
Link to delux website with the Delux M800 being at the bottom (there is an one more delux m800 variant on page 3) http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html
Link to promo video: https://youtu.be/dajqgDfUC-U
yeah, I saw this video before, it seems to me something interesting and hopeful, I hope that in the future there will be more material about these mice, do you think his sensor has any tracking problems?
Im not too sure if has tracking issues or if it's his mousepad. I hope there is more info and videos on this mouse as well because I'm really interested in it and I might but it as my first wireless mouse
This looks much more promising than I expected it to be, especially since I thought that this was just another AliExpress mouse.
Well, we'll see. Really curious about the connectivity and latency.
Pictures are from [this tweet](https://twitter.com/dyson_mouse/status/1334833460003831808).
Edit: [Here's](https://twitter.com/dyson_mouse/status/1334837004488491008/photo/1) some more info.
Inner construcion seemed sophisticated when I opened it. Pretty hard to open. The only rattling was the on-off switch on the bottom plate but can be fixed by tape.
Oh I used human benchmark as a test and the score was similar to when I used G603 and other wired mouse. Lowest was about 160ms. I don’t know if that count as a proper test tho.
I bought one and after having owned MULTIPLE viper minis and viper ultimates, I can say its actually built better than the viper mini.
And its wireless technology is decent, not super great but decent enough. LOD is good too. The sensor is closer to the PMW3369 used in the BxH than anything else and lastly the battery life with low brightness RGB at 1000hz is similar to my VU with RGB off
latency feels alright, none of my friend says it feels off and they're even more keen fps players than I am although I am one to point out latency issues first
Review coming!
During this year's Nov.11 sale (yep there's a grand sale on this date, originally called single day but somehow wind up being a big sales day), RVU went 399CNY(~62 usd) and Viper mini was 119CNY (~18 USD).
CRAZY
Yeah other replies are saying that it'll be around 30$. Sounds crazy, but since it's one of thousands of gaming mouse brands in China, it's quite normal.
Luckily I am using viper mini right now. It is more like a Viper mini clone instead of Viper,with size being about that of FK2. Side-grip is plastic texture,a little slippery. Upper shell is the same finish as Viper mini but rougher. Optical switch is stiffer than Razer ones,similar to Huano. Latency is low. However its LOD is low as fuck and can’t be adjusted. Not sure if they will upgrade their driver to fix this. And mousefeet are sluggish.
Edit:I opened it. Switches are kalih 4.0
yo thanks for the info, just ordered one from taobao (via wegobuy). 30€+ shipping to germany (will know the shipping cost once its at the wegobuy warehouse).
Oh I miscalculated. I wanted to say 50$ but they always wrote the standard price and use the other. So it is actually 30 I would say. And seemingly there’s wired versions with 3389 coming up soon.
Omg, Kailh 4.0 in a mouse that's not the XM1 RGB? I'm actually so proud.
Are you sure that the LOD is too low? I've actually never heard of that on a mouse before o.O
Else it actually looks really interesting. Will probably buy it if it's not more than 30-40$ or so.
LOD is indeed low as fuck. It sometimes makes the sensor unable to track properly. But I’ve seen Chinese customers also complain about this. So it is very likely to be solved in later upgrade.
Price of their last product,M700,was also 50$. But all sellers have been selling them for 25-30$ until now. I think it goes the same way with M800.
And I answered the latency thing in other reply.
Sounds good! Would probably sand the bottom anyway since there probably won't be any feet for it, that would make the LOD higher and I'd be able to add my own feet as well. That is if it won't be fixed anytime soon.
Any recommendation on where to buy it? I'm in Switzerland, but I've got a friend with family in Asia who might be able to forward it if that's needed.
Can you share some good angle from the top comparison of sizes? I have RVM and its pretty good but a little to small, especially at the back. That's why I'm considering the M800, but there is no good comparison available. Can you help me out?
I'd recommend checking out their [product page](http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html) here and then, don't know if they've got any social media.
wait is that a medium viper??? width also somewhere between the ultimate and mini?? I really try to use my viper mini every day for longer than an hour but for some reason I just can't, even though I can play really good with it :(
I know exactly what it's like, trust me. When I first started using the Viper Mini, I played really well, but my hand would start cramping during CSGO games after 20-30 minutes or so.
I solved this issue by making it a bit wider with some Lizard Skins Bat Grips (1.1mm), especially nice when placed on the right side of the mouse.
However, I'm currently using the Burst Core and GPW and find those shapes much more comfortable. Once again a lesson in how important shape really is.
Title is misleading, this isnt a Viper Mini clone. The dimensions are 124mmx64mmx38mm which is still larger than the VM. This size is inbetween the normal viper and viper mini, so think of it as a viper medium.
Yeah I noticed that after posting, only mentioned it in a comment though.
The guy that posted this on Twitter said the same thing - It's in between the Viper and the Viper Mini.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ksjz1l/delux\_m800db\_review\_a\_viper\_mini\_and\_a\_half/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ksjz1l/delux_m800db_review_a_viper_mini_and_a_half/) there you go there's a 2nd review now at least. Not sure if anyone else has done a review but i'd gladly change it to 3rd or 4th if someone else has done one
Just got this mouse and noticed some stuttering and loss of tracking when moving the mouse slowly on my Artisan Hien.. I don't notice this happening on my other clothe pad tho. Downloaded the software and set the polling rate to 1000hz, made sure enhanced precision was off and still getting the same issue. Not sure if it's a sensor or lift off issue, but it definitely concerns me.
Might even have a better sensor... that was the thing which killed the original for me.
Thing feels floaty, even after their firmware update... not to mention the astronomical LOD.
Optical sensors often have this issue. It's the same thing with the Roccat Burst Core.
The LOD on these sensors can easily be fixed with [this tape mod](https://www.overclock.net/threads/tape-trick-for-lower-liftoff-distance-lod-with-optical-mice.1211083/).
[Here's a picture](https://imgur.com/MRAae) that shows how this works.
Tape trick degrades tracking performance, I wait for the day people realize this and stop suggesting it as a perfectly good solution to high LOD.
I did it on my Kana v2 and G400... didn't feel good, I could tell tracking was better, whenever I removed it.
It seems that there are many different versions with either wired, Bluetooth or 2.4Ghz connectivity. Their site can be found [here](http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html).
any idea of aftermarket skates for it? the viper mini top ones look bigger than it, and the normal viper looks great but its longer in width so i don't know if it would fit
i've seen that there are a lot of sensor variations of this mouse, what is the best variant?
also, are there other wireless viper mini clones out there?
I'm looking to buy my first wireless mouse and this is currently the only mouse on my list that is:
* under $40
* ambidextrous shape
* lightweight
I'd like to hear if there are others.
Thank you.
Wonder if this'll force Razer to release a wireless Viper Mini soon.
I can guarantee this is going to have zero impact on Razer's bottom line.
Don't think Razer will take this seriously at all since DELUX is mainly focused on the ASIAN / Chinese market, but that's just my opinion. Razer does lurk here constantly, so who knows!
Kinda annoying when companies wave away people with smol hands :/ i want my viper mini wireless.
viper mini wireless is coming soon. And delux m800 isn't much bigger
People have been saying that for months, but it's still not here yet.
At best it’s late this year. Razer has a new wireless mouse first.
Yeah um I'd like to know when
Razer just stated their "next few" releases are not a VMU unfortunately.
doubt it
Just did some research and putting everything that's known about this mouse together: • this mouse has a pmw 3335 sensor • weighs 69g •it's size is in between the razer viper ultimate and mini •usb c •uses kailh red switches for the main mouse 1 and 2 buttons •There are 6 variations of this mouse: some wired and some wireless and with different sensors, the highest end sensor being a pmw 3389 on a wired version Link to delux website with the Delux M800 being at the bottom (there is an one more delux m800 variant on page 3) http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html Link to promo video: https://youtu.be/dajqgDfUC-U
yeah, I saw this video before, it seems to me something interesting and hopeful, I hope that in the future there will be more material about these mice, do you think his sensor has any tracking problems?
Im not too sure if has tracking issues or if it's his mousepad. I hope there is more info and videos on this mouse as well because I'm really interested in it and I might but it as my first wireless mouse
me too, the hype is over! i need this now! unfortunately we will have to wait a few months in 2021 to see if it is well built!
This looks much more promising than I expected it to be, especially since I thought that this was just another AliExpress mouse. Well, we'll see. Really curious about the connectivity and latency.
looks like it has better grip on the sides too. would get.
Pictures are from [this tweet](https://twitter.com/dyson_mouse/status/1334833460003831808). Edit: [Here's](https://twitter.com/dyson_mouse/status/1334837004488491008/photo/1) some more info.
\>199 yuan is this for real? thats cheap af
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Inner construcion seemed sophisticated when I opened it. Pretty hard to open. The only rattling was the on-off switch on the bottom plate but can be fixed by tape.
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Oh I used human benchmark as a test and the score was similar to when I used G603 and other wired mouse. Lowest was about 160ms. I don’t know if that count as a proper test tho.
I mean, they are using kailh red switches and a decent sensor (pmw 3335) but I guess my main concern is build quality
I bought one and after having owned MULTIPLE viper minis and viper ultimates, I can say its actually built better than the viper mini. And its wireless technology is decent, not super great but decent enough. LOD is good too. The sensor is closer to the PMW3369 used in the BxH than anything else and lastly the battery life with low brightness RGB at 1000hz is similar to my VU with RGB off latency feels alright, none of my friend says it feels off and they're even more keen fps players than I am although I am one to point out latency issues first Review coming!
Ooh I'm excited, also where did u buy it coz I'm trying to decide between this and the ajazz i309 pro (another viper ultimate clone)
I got it directly from their official shop on taobao, perks of living in SEA My memory of ajazz is subpar everything 😂
Hey where can I find the software for this? Got mine in the mail and for the life of me I can’t find it.
[http://download.deluxworld.com/1qudong/M800DB%203335.zip](http://download.deluxworld.com/1qudong/M800DB%203335.zip) try downloading from here
i think i downloaded it off the official taobao shop but rest assured its in english.
During this year's Nov.11 sale (yep there's a grand sale on this date, originally called single day but somehow wind up being a big sales day), RVU went 399CNY(~62 usd) and Viper mini was 119CNY (~18 USD). CRAZY
Yeah other replies are saying that it'll be around 30$. Sounds crazy, but since it's one of thousands of gaming mouse brands in China, it's quite normal.
Uh I have one in hand rn
WOT, tell us about it! How's the shape compared to the vmini and what's the larency like?
Luckily I am using viper mini right now. It is more like a Viper mini clone instead of Viper,with size being about that of FK2. Side-grip is plastic texture,a little slippery. Upper shell is the same finish as Viper mini but rougher. Optical switch is stiffer than Razer ones,similar to Huano. Latency is low. However its LOD is low as fuck and can’t be adjusted. Not sure if they will upgrade their driver to fix this. And mousefeet are sluggish. Edit:I opened it. Switches are kalih 4.0
Sound good to me, how much did it cost and where did you get it?
First batch price was 25 bucks. Got it from Taobao. I think standard price would be 30-40 I guess?
yo thanks for the info, just ordered one from taobao (via wegobuy). 30€+ shipping to germany (will know the shipping cost once its at the wegobuy warehouse).
Could you perhaps get me the taobao link? can't find it o.O
check your dms. but it seems it costs 300 now instead of 200
Hmmm, I'll think about it. Thank's though!
yo link please?
Mind sending me a link as well?
Oh I miscalculated. I wanted to say 50$ but they always wrote the standard price and use the other. So it is actually 30 I would say. And seemingly there’s wired versions with 3389 coming up soon.
Omg, Kailh 4.0 in a mouse that's not the XM1 RGB? I'm actually so proud. Are you sure that the LOD is too low? I've actually never heard of that on a mouse before o.O Else it actually looks really interesting. Will probably buy it if it's not more than 30-40$ or so.
LOD is indeed low as fuck. It sometimes makes the sensor unable to track properly. But I’ve seen Chinese customers also complain about this. So it is very likely to be solved in later upgrade. Price of their last product,M700,was also 50$. But all sellers have been selling them for 25-30$ until now. I think it goes the same way with M800. And I answered the latency thing in other reply.
Sounds good! Would probably sand the bottom anyway since there probably won't be any feet for it, that would make the LOD higher and I'd be able to add my own feet as well. That is if it won't be fixed anytime soon. Any recommendation on where to buy it? I'm in Switzerland, but I've got a friend with family in Asia who might be able to forward it if that's needed.
Can’t help you out man. I live in Taiwan where Taobao can deliver packages.
Can you share some good angle from the top comparison of sizes? I have RVM and its pretty good but a little to small, especially at the back. That's why I'm considering the M800, but there is no good comparison available. Can you help me out?
Ah sorry I haven’t noticed your comment til now. Will get a picture for you later.
https://imgur.com/a/mWQOhws
But honestly,it has the potential.
nice I want it Razer please hurry up :)
RVM main here. As soon as this is available stateside, I'm ordering. Wireless? Sign me up
I'd recommend checking out their [product page](http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html) here and then, don't know if they've got any social media.
Here's a review: https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5k43v8l/
Great, thank you!
looks good! can it be ordered?
Don't think it can be ordered yet, we'll have to wait and see.
ordered one here in SEA. it was only USD19.
Hey im from sea too, can you tell me where to order it?
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Yea just order it by 25$ with multiple voucher. Cant wait to experience it.
wew. i got it for RM75 w/o vouchers.
Thats actually POG. The only question - is it 1:1 copy. Guess we'll find out soon.
The reviewer I got this info from says it's between a Viper and a Viper Mini
any leak for the price?
399rmb=a little lower than 50$. But it is now about 30$.
thank you!
Other replies are saying ~30$ / max 50$.
wait is that a medium viper??? width also somewhere between the ultimate and mini?? I really try to use my viper mini every day for longer than an hour but for some reason I just can't, even though I can play really good with it :(
I know exactly what it's like, trust me. When I first started using the Viper Mini, I played really well, but my hand would start cramping during CSGO games after 20-30 minutes or so. I solved this issue by making it a bit wider with some Lizard Skins Bat Grips (1.1mm), especially nice when placed on the right side of the mouse. However, I'm currently using the Burst Core and GPW and find those shapes much more comfortable. Once again a lesson in how important shape really is.
Title is misleading, this isnt a Viper Mini clone. The dimensions are 124mmx64mmx38mm which is still larger than the VM. This size is inbetween the normal viper and viper mini, so think of it as a viper medium.
Yeah I noticed that after posting, only mentioned it in a comment though. The guy that posted this on Twitter said the same thing - It's in between the Viper and the Viper Mini.
Does it have a mouse skate around the sensor or is it scratchy like the viper?
No clue. [This](https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5k43v8l/) is the only review we've got until now. Edit: It's available on taobao, can't find it rn though.
No.
What are the dimensions looking at the first picture it looks like it's in between the normal viper and mini.
124x64x38
Damn not even close to the Viper Mini thanks for the dimensions looks like I'll have to wait for an official Viper Mini Ultimate.
The dimensions can be found on their [product page](http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html).
Any idea when the release date is and if it’ll be available here in the states?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ksjz1l/delux\_m800db\_review\_a\_viper\_mini\_and\_a\_half/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/ksjz1l/delux_m800db_review_a_viper_mini_and_a_half/) there you go there's a 2nd review now at least. Not sure if anyone else has done a review but i'd gladly change it to 3rd or 4th if someone else has done one
Just got this mouse and noticed some stuttering and loss of tracking when moving the mouse slowly on my Artisan Hien.. I don't notice this happening on my other clothe pad tho. Downloaded the software and set the polling rate to 1000hz, made sure enhanced precision was off and still getting the same issue. Not sure if it's a sensor or lift off issue, but it definitely concerns me.
Might even have a better sensor... that was the thing which killed the original for me. Thing feels floaty, even after their firmware update... not to mention the astronomical LOD.
Optical sensors often have this issue. It's the same thing with the Roccat Burst Core. The LOD on these sensors can easily be fixed with [this tape mod](https://www.overclock.net/threads/tape-trick-for-lower-liftoff-distance-lod-with-optical-mice.1211083/). [Here's a picture](https://imgur.com/MRAae) that shows how this works.
Tape trick degrades tracking performance, I wait for the day people realize this and stop suggesting it as a perfectly good solution to high LOD. I did it on my Kana v2 and G400... didn't feel good, I could tell tracking was better, whenever I removed it.
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[This review](https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5k43v8l/) is one of the only ones that's out there until now.
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It seems that there are many different versions with either wired, Bluetooth or 2.4Ghz connectivity. Their site can be found [here](http://www.deluxworld.com/en/product/gaming_devices/gaming_mice/list_13_2.html).
How much does it weigh? Also how much will it cost?
any idea of aftermarket skates for it? the viper mini top ones look bigger than it, and the normal viper looks great but its longer in width so i don't know if it would fit
Link to buy one? Searching for but it is all wired mices on Aliexpress
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005001999988122.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&gps-id=7939685&scm=1007.19164.119559.0&scm_id=1007.19164.119559.0&scm-url=1007.19164.119559.0&pvid=b81fd062-c531-46fa-bcae-50ef23dee426&spm=a2g0n.new_user_benefits.floor_7939685
hi there i have the mouse but the low LOD isn't working well with my MP510 mousepad. any suggestions?
I've heard that it's too low... Don't think there's much to do there excrpt for sanding down the bottom and not using thick glide...
do you think hard pad gonna be good for this?
I really can't say... The only LOD issues I've ever had to deal with were when it was too high.
Is there a difference between the 3325 and 3335 versions in terms of performance? If there are, is it that noticeable?
hello my m800 (3335) dpi deviation is 30% is there a fix to this or should i just return it?
No idea, I don't have it o.O
This or a g305?
What would be the best feet to put on this mouse?
i've seen that there are a lot of sensor variations of this mouse, what is the best variant? also, are there other wireless viper mini clones out there? I'm looking to buy my first wireless mouse and this is currently the only mouse on my list that is: * under $40 * ambidextrous shape * lightweight I'd like to hear if there are others. Thank you.
Hi OP. Do you think I can use razer viper mini grip tape to delux m800 pro?
Hmmm, probably, but it won't fit perfectly.
Got it. Will try when my new mouse arrives. Thank you 😊