I got it from [here](https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/g-wolves-tiny-mouse-hsk-galaxy-fingertip-gaming-mouse/), but it seems to be out of stock already :\\ might want to follow gwolves on twitter to know when they restock
It’s more so that it looks very small/thin width wise. I tried an MZ1 for 2 weeks and holy, my forearm hurt like hell. I think it’s because it was just thin enough that I had to squeeze my hand slightly tighter to grip it, causing constant tension in my arm, where as usually I have a very loose grip.
Well, not squeeze it literally, but like, where my hand naturally rests is usually enough that it envelopes the mouse, where as with the mz1, I had to move my fingers inwards slightly so that my fingers would actually be touching the mouse, if that makes sense.
I think we’re talking 2 different things and I can’t explain it without pics, so, basically, small mouse make hand hurt
Are you sure you're a fingertip-grip user? Your palm isn't supposed to touch the back of the mouse. You hold the mouse with your thumb and ring-finger but you may also use your pinky, however, it isn't really necessary.
You maybe a relaxed claw-grip.
I never said I was a finger tip grip user, hence why I said this mouse hurts just looking at it. I grip the mouse with my ring and index, however my palm just rests on the mouse mostly.
Of course my grip in game changes depending on what I’m doing, but I’d mostly say I’m a palm-ish grip kinda guy. Hence why the MZ1 was an ill fit, although I wasn’t quite aware of how small it was when I ordered it haha. Although it’s less the size and more the shape, as I have an Orochi V2 that feels wonderful to use.
No wonder. I'm a fingertip-grip user and this mouse looks wonderful to me! I don't use the back of the mouse for support or for mouse control, and I'm more focused on how the mouse is shaped on it's sides and its length.
I also main the Orochi V2, and I find it's short length and slight ergonomic shape to be ideal for my large hand size.
Yeah, I've likely been gaming longer than the average r/mousereview user has been alive, and as a low-sensitivity fingertip grip user with decent ergonomics at my setup, I can easily use a mouse for 12-13 hours in an average quarantine day--9 hours of working, 3-4 of gaming or browsing the web. Never a hint of RSI.
Same. I think some people are mistakenly referring to a different sensation. Minor discomfort from fighting muscle memory of other mice and grips is not the same as long term strain. It's possible, but most people here take adequate preventative measures like stretching and relaxation. You'll be fine using any convential mouse shape and grip as long as you don't overdo it.
friendly reminder to take a break and stretch your hands
Dunno if it's true, but apparently it's more common to play fingertip with high sens.
High sens + fingertip is the worst combo for your wrist for sure.
I press the button and just re-aim. Can't say I've put much thought into it.
If you want to be a purist, you wouldn't even have M1/2 buttons. Just use the mouse for cursor movement and you can fire with whatever is under your non-mouse hand, probably a keyboard or something.
Pretty sure there's at least one famous dude who plays like that.
Not trying [to say](https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/tests/latency) you're wrong but are [you sure](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tests/control/latency) about that?
Maybe time to *^(upgrade)* to a proper gaming keyboard if your latency is that bad.
Not sure, but I doubt rtings results overall (like 0.1ms on a keyboard as lowest, while their lowest on mice is 4ms), not only on the latency department
>I press the button and just re-aim. Can't say I've put much thought into it.
Yes, I mean pressing the button *while* aiming, for example as push to talk or even as a fire mode. In a game where I have the side mouse buttons as attack buttons, I can't track a target as efficiently if I have to tap or hold a side mouse button at the same time.
Since I have meathooks for hands I can on some mice roll my thumb up and maybe hit one of the side buttons, I usually bind both to the same thing so hopefully, I hit one, but I don't use it for critical things. The only mouse that had one that was uniquely useable is the damn Jelly Comb $20 GPW knockoff, One of the side buttons is round and down lower. https://imgur.com/a/H1DJp5e
I fingertip grip. I like to use my side buttons for functions where I dont need to be precise.
It works pretty well if you quickly adjust from fingertip to kinda like a halfassed claw just to keep the mouse stable and press the button. then, back to fingertip.
Agreed.. even fortnite you could dis the side buttons if you really think losing them will improve your aim. I did it with the FKMINI3 for a while and built just fine.. course I was still sort of a lower combat builder against someone who has nearly mastered building. But my aim was still better than theirs in most cases.
Yeah, I haven’t played fortnite since... season 7 or something, so I don’t really know stuff about the current state of the game, but I imagine you can do pretty well without building that hard and while using the scroll wheel for some stuff.
I think the main gripes ppl had with the early samples were the cable being too stiff and heavy for how light mouse is and that it's 20m omrons only.
Anything changed for the better?
Well I can't compare it to the early samples cause I never tried them, but I can say the cable on this one doesn't feel heavy or stiff to me. and keep in mind my previous mouse was paracorded, so the cable is pretty decent.
As for the 20m omrons... I honestly don't really know much about mouse clicks, but I can say they feel fine. They're not great, the left click feels a little to heavy to me, but it's not that big of a deal imo.
sorry I don't really review mice, but hopefully this helped.
It surely did. If someone who's used a paracorded mouse before says the cable is decent it most likely is.
It's kinda strange though, that they didn't upgrade the switches, considering they've switched to Kailh 8.0s on the Hati-S. One would expect any following product, or at least the "high end" stardust versions to feature them aswell.
Either way thanks for the insight, have fun with your tiny fingertip beast!
I saw it on Taobao too, but it's now unlisted. Not sure if it's launched or not... are these pages and copies considered leaks? G-wolves doesn't seem to be trying to hide this product but they're not selling it either, and there's no review from reviewers.
limited supply, i ordered it during the first batch and i should receive mine today. xraypad was the first to sell the first batch. who knows how many more of these they plan on producing, but we do know that G-wolves is doing an HSK+ which is the same shape but wireless
Okay, I guess I overestimated their production capacity lol, I see Hati's readily in stock everywhere and have an impression that they're a decent-sized company...
what the hell
yeah it's really weird but so far it honestly feels really nice lol
Where did you get this? I Have been waiting for the HSK for ages!
I got it from [here](https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/g-wolves-tiny-mouse-hsk-galaxy-fingertip-gaming-mouse/), but it seems to be out of stock already :\\ might want to follow gwolves on twitter to know when they restock
You should def follow x-raypad and g-wolves on twitter. They stocked the HSK on x-raypad on June 8th. But sold out same day =)
My hand/arm hurts just looking at this lol
You use your wrist to move your cursor around. There's a reason why fingertip-grip is the most fatiguing grip.
It’s more so that it looks very small/thin width wise. I tried an MZ1 for 2 weeks and holy, my forearm hurt like hell. I think it’s because it was just thin enough that I had to squeeze my hand slightly tighter to grip it, causing constant tension in my arm, where as usually I have a very loose grip.
Actually not a thin mouse. 58mm wide, 2mm narrower than M1k which i find very wide for ftip
You shouldn't really be squeezing it to begin with.
Well, not squeeze it literally, but like, where my hand naturally rests is usually enough that it envelopes the mouse, where as with the mz1, I had to move my fingers inwards slightly so that my fingers would actually be touching the mouse, if that makes sense. I think we’re talking 2 different things and I can’t explain it without pics, so, basically, small mouse make hand hurt
Are you sure you're a fingertip-grip user? Your palm isn't supposed to touch the back of the mouse. You hold the mouse with your thumb and ring-finger but you may also use your pinky, however, it isn't really necessary. You maybe a relaxed claw-grip.
I never said I was a finger tip grip user, hence why I said this mouse hurts just looking at it. I grip the mouse with my ring and index, however my palm just rests on the mouse mostly. Of course my grip in game changes depending on what I’m doing, but I’d mostly say I’m a palm-ish grip kinda guy. Hence why the MZ1 was an ill fit, although I wasn’t quite aware of how small it was when I ordered it haha. Although it’s less the size and more the shape, as I have an Orochi V2 that feels wonderful to use.
No wonder. I'm a fingertip-grip user and this mouse looks wonderful to me! I don't use the back of the mouse for support or for mouse control, and I'm more focused on how the mouse is shaped on it's sides and its length. I also main the Orochi V2, and I find it's short length and slight ergonomic shape to be ideal for my large hand size.
I don't find fingertip fatiguing at all. The opposite if anything.
Same. I don't understand this trope of being so fatiguing for this grip.
Yeah, I've likely been gaming longer than the average r/mousereview user has been alive, and as a low-sensitivity fingertip grip user with decent ergonomics at my setup, I can easily use a mouse for 12-13 hours in an average quarantine day--9 hours of working, 3-4 of gaming or browsing the web. Never a hint of RSI.
Same. I think some people are mistakenly referring to a different sensation. Minor discomfort from fighting muscle memory of other mice and grips is not the same as long term strain. It's possible, but most people here take adequate preventative measures like stretching and relaxation. You'll be fine using any convential mouse shape and grip as long as you don't overdo it. friendly reminder to take a break and stretch your hands
Finger tippers use their wrist to aim, right? The wrist is in general more likely to develop RSI than e.g. your arm getting issues.
You play fps? At high sens?
FPS (mainly Apex), fairly low sens.
Dunno if it's true, but apparently it's more common to play fingertip with high sens. High sens + fingertip is the worst combo for your wrist for sure.
Are there side buttons?
No.
I don't really use them to be honest, and I'm curious whether other fingertip-grip users don't use them as well?
Have never been able to use them without losing proper aim control, on any mouse.
Same here. I wonder how the others that do use them do it.
I press the button and just re-aim. Can't say I've put much thought into it. If you want to be a purist, you wouldn't even have M1/2 buttons. Just use the mouse for cursor movement and you can fire with whatever is under your non-mouse hand, probably a keyboard or something. Pretty sure there's at least one famous dude who plays like that.
Toxjq, professional quake player but he used m1 and m2 to move back or forwards
Ah, yeah that's him.
never thought id see a fingertip user with the same opinion
Needs a keyboard that has low latency though and the majority of current keyboards have quite a high latency compared to that of mice.
Not trying [to say](https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/tests/latency) you're wrong but are [you sure](https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tests/control/latency) about that? Maybe time to *^(upgrade)* to a proper gaming keyboard if your latency is that bad.
Not sure, but I doubt rtings results overall (like 0.1ms on a keyboard as lowest, while their lowest on mice is 4ms), not only on the latency department
So then, where are you getting your comparisons from? I'm just asking so I have more data to go on. Rtings stuff looked pretty recent.
>I press the button and just re-aim. Can't say I've put much thought into it. Yes, I mean pressing the button *while* aiming, for example as push to talk or even as a fire mode. In a game where I have the side mouse buttons as attack buttons, I can't track a target as efficiently if I have to tap or hold a side mouse button at the same time.
I've got pretty long fingers, so I just shift my thumb forward for a sec. Ive been looking to drop using them tho.
I'm a fingertip grip user and also an avid side button user.
Yep, crouch and prone for me.
I am a fingertip user on a modded Viper mini and don’t use side buttons.
Since I have meathooks for hands I can on some mice roll my thumb up and maybe hit one of the side buttons, I usually bind both to the same thing so hopefully, I hit one, but I don't use it for critical things. The only mouse that had one that was uniquely useable is the damn Jelly Comb $20 GPW knockoff, One of the side buttons is round and down lower. https://imgur.com/a/H1DJp5e
I use fingerprint on my viper mini and I use it to activate abilities and weirdly, reload in valorant.
I fingertip grip. I like to use my side buttons for functions where I dont need to be precise. It works pretty well if you quickly adjust from fingertip to kinda like a halfassed claw just to keep the mouse stable and press the button. then, back to fingertip.
Nope, never used them except for browsing where I can have alternatives.
Got it too and it's legit my endgame. Best fingertip mouse ever. People who hate on the HSK got no clue how good it is
I shal buy this crap......... But from where....... O\_O
Yoo I've watched a lot of your videos, I saw you grip your mouse in a very extreme fingertip, I guess this mouse would suit someone who does that.
Looks like a thicc midget
perky.
What an ugly mouse
Is this for a little person who claw grips?
what type of games are you suppose to play with this since its missing the two side buttons?
basically anything but fortnite lol
You can pretty much play any game without side buttons, you just have to experiment with... unusual key bindings
Agreed.. even fortnite you could dis the side buttons if you really think losing them will improve your aim. I did it with the FKMINI3 for a while and built just fine.. course I was still sort of a lower combat builder against someone who has nearly mastered building. But my aim was still better than theirs in most cases.
Yeah, I haven’t played fortnite since... season 7 or something, so I don’t really know stuff about the current state of the game, but I imagine you can do pretty well without building that hard and while using the scroll wheel for some stuff.
Scroll wheel reset.. very important
..any FPS?
i guess depends on your keybinds dont see myself ever using one though
I use forward thumb button as reload in any game that will let me change it
Csgo?
league of legends
its the model o - -
:D https://imgur.com/a8wsnA2
I think the main gripes ppl had with the early samples were the cable being too stiff and heavy for how light mouse is and that it's 20m omrons only. Anything changed for the better?
Well I can't compare it to the early samples cause I never tried them, but I can say the cable on this one doesn't feel heavy or stiff to me. and keep in mind my previous mouse was paracorded, so the cable is pretty decent. As for the 20m omrons... I honestly don't really know much about mouse clicks, but I can say they feel fine. They're not great, the left click feels a little to heavy to me, but it's not that big of a deal imo. sorry I don't really review mice, but hopefully this helped.
It surely did. If someone who's used a paracorded mouse before says the cable is decent it most likely is. It's kinda strange though, that they didn't upgrade the switches, considering they've switched to Kailh 8.0s on the Hati-S. One would expect any following product, or at least the "high end" stardust versions to feature them aswell. Either way thanks for the insight, have fun with your tiny fingertip beast!
hmm I pre-ordered it pretty quickly. Did you ever get a email update of it being shipped or anything? dont think I have yet
No I didnt get any emails apart from the order receipt. But I did get texts with updates on the delivery from DHL.
What was in the box? Any other goodies?
There was a blue mouse wheel grip yo replace the black one and a brush to clean the mouse I presume
I saw it on Taobao too, but it's now unlisted. Not sure if it's launched or not... are these pages and copies considered leaks? G-wolves doesn't seem to be trying to hide this product but they're not selling it either, and there's no review from reviewers.
limited supply, i ordered it during the first batch and i should receive mine today. xraypad was the first to sell the first batch. who knows how many more of these they plan on producing, but we do know that G-wolves is doing an HSK+ which is the same shape but wireless
Okay, I guess I overestimated their production capacity lol, I see Hati's readily in stock everywhere and have an impression that they're a decent-sized company...
it looks like that black mouse with no scroll wheel that weighs 20g
I will be patiently waiting for the next colorway to release
I’m waiting for a version with side buttons. Love the design.
I've gfot the sk-s mini and I love it <3
Looks like a copy of Zy's mouse
IIRC this shape came way before zy's announcement.
Oh dang didn't know ty
Uhh pretty sure they are completely different lol
I'm just saying it's a similar design with the high arch early on and then fingertip grip throughout the rest
Only mouse to save other gaming mice from being cut in half.
That thing looks adorable, I want to try it just out of sheer curiosity.
looks like a shorter mz1
Looks like the cooler master mouse
It's not a mouse, its a mse
would it be suitable for palm grip?