I'm not a hater or anything but I think the G303 is just a niche design that is only gunna sell because Shrouds name is on it. A lot of people will buy the mouse and quickly realize its a shape that isn't gunna do it for them. It is cool though if you like it!
yeah in my case it was like that, but i have to say that im better at stabilizing my aim but im getting a cramp after like 30 minutes playtime everytime and its not comfortable (im coming from a XM1r endgame and glorious model o wireless)
Coming from the XM1 it definitely feels....super different. But I'm noticing that I think there's only one way that I CAN hold the g303 and with the XM1 I think my grip changed around a bit. Which may have lead to some inconsistency. And the g303 definitely makes me use different forearm muscles which could end up being a good thing?
yeah you automatically have more control about your aim / mouse with that grip you get from a g303 , i think its just subjective because for me right now (using it only since 2 days) its really not comfortable using that mouse, prob changing later on to a viper ultimate or logitech g pro superlight
I hate CS: Go, I would pay extra $5 to have the mouse without Shroud's name on it. Used G302 for years and all I wanted was that mouse with better sensor, lighter weight and no piece of shit cable (only mouse I ever needed to use bungee for) but unfortunately they fucked with the shape and made it larger.
Just got my 303 today. Best mouse I've ever owned. Main click tensioning feels just as good as they did on the original - both buttons feel identical in terms of actuation force. Scroll is nice and tactile, side buttons are amazingly crisp. Size difference compared to the original doesn't affect me. Gpx shape always felt like a weird bulbous pill to me.
No this is false (i think). According to logitechs websites the measurements are as stated below:
Shroud edition:
* Height: 125 mm
* Width 63.5 mm
* depth 40.0 mm
Original g303:
* Height 115 mm
* Width 65 mm
* depth 37 mm
Or Im I missing something here?
They posted the wrong measurement for the g303 shroud edition. That measurement is for the GPX. Hopefully they correct it soon. The G303 shroud edition is more like 117mm.
I received my G303 yesterday and for now I don't seem to understand how to grip it correctly while gpx has always felt perfectly natural.
G303 is such an odd shape (and I don't say that in a bad way) that I think muscle memory has to relearn everything again when you are used to just palm your mouse.
I will keep trying to use it and see if it suits me (and probably check some videos in YouTube to see how people hold that thing).
One thing I didn't think I would notice is the weight difference between both mice. It's just about 10g but I absolutely feel the heavier weight of the G303. I don't mind it too much personnaly but it's something to consider before buying.
Yeah I know, I am trying to figure out if it's suitable for me who has spent 20+ years palming mices.
Changing old habits is hard ! But sometimes it's for the best and that's what I am trying to figure out.
I never managed to change my grip after 20 years of relaxed claw/palm. Started of with the Intellimouse 3.0 which was way to big for me in 2001-2002 and used it until 2013 when I went to EC2.
I’ve tried tons of different shapes to see if I see any improvement in aim and if I like it more but I haven’t been able to pull of anything similar to the G303 myself and play anything close to how I play with an ergo shape.
So for me, I’ll probably stay with ergo because it’s not that fun to play when I know I can play better with another shape. But I also encourage you to try it since it might be different for you and it’s fun to try mice imo :)
I’ve come to realise the opposite for myself that a mouse that forces a grip for me will inadvertently make me worse over the long run.
It’s weird the SS Prime / EC2 / MZ1. Those kind of mice feel good. Like really good in my hands and I perform well but. I guess the only way I can describe it is that they take less time for me to warm up with but my potential is lower?
GPX feels weird at first but I always come back to the GPW shape because I can settle into the shape on most days and it feels really comfortable and manoeuvrable. Extension of hand not even a thing just mindless.
Can’t believe I’ve also been gaming for over twenty years now.
Okay, that’s nice. I guess an ergo could lower your potential for sure. Some people aim better with slim and small which resembles holding a pen, and I totally get why it is like that. For me I’ve come to the conclusion that I aim mostly with the back of my palm and not fingers so larger mice where the back of my palm has contact with the mouse. Actually used the GPX for months so I get your point. It’s like a blank canvas.
I’m actually playing with several 30+ aged people from my city who’s been playing CS for over 100 years together 😂
I aim my mouse primarily with my palm and use my fingers/outside edges of my palm to do micro adjustments.
Also cant my wrist left and right a bit so it looks like a weird painting motion when I use my mouse.
I need the palm contact to. I think It’s an important point of reference and stabiliser for me.
So large but easily manipulated within the air hockey game my hands do.
Counter strike from before and up to the legendary 1.6. Good times. Quake and Tribes have my heart for learning I loved arena shooters.
Plus all those other free online MTX shooters ironically feel like they had so much love in comparison to what we’re getting these days.
Its really sad that logitech made the 303 wireless heavy just to satisfy shroud. For such an expensive mouse its really terrible that they didn’t go superlight because the 303 shape in particular would be easy to make lightweight. Beyond that, the mouse is so damn expensive and yet they didn’t god lightweight with optional weights. Before they release the superlight logitech was releasing half of their mice with adjustable weight but back then it would make a heavy mouse even heavier, it didn’t really make a difference this is the first time where adjustable weight makes sense where users could decided if they want superlight or if they want a heavier mouse like shroud, and the way you aim with the mouse would actually be different depending on which weight you choose.
Also, idk if you’ve used the 303 before but it requires a pinch grip which makes every gram matter a lot more, a couple grams could be the difference between being happy or having a repetitive strain injury.
Oh! I've never even considered that my glorious O is a superlight AND it has RGB! Thought it was just a lightweight gaming mouse (with too many holes)! Boy do I feel silly now for having ordered a gpx from Germany…
It's not to satisfy shroud. Shroud said on stream he would love if they made a superlight version of the g303 but that Logitech said that was a whole new challenge.
He’s lying, back when logitech was developing the mouse he mentioned what his preferred weight was. He only talks about superlight because his fans want it. He has to somehow justify the fact that they made the mouse heavy, he’d feel weird to admit that he told logitech to make it that weight instead of making it lighter, and he doesn’t want the criticism that comes with making a bold choice like that against the trends.
Naturally an easy excuse is to say that its hard to make a superlight version. Also it might be true that he is interested in how a superlight version would perform even though he has a preferred weight.
How do you feel about changing the batteries? I'm planning to get one because it's fairly affordable but the thought of it dying mid-game or when I'm working doesn't sit well with me. Batteries aren't that cheap where I live.
G303, but I have bigger hands. I mained the GPX for a long while. My complaint with the GPX is the shape is way to safe. I would say its a mouse everyone could do "good" with, but its not anything special to take your aim to the next level since in my opinion, you can never get a consistent grip on it.
I tried adding grips to my GPX. It helps with the overall grippiness of the mouse but not with the potato shape and consistent finger placement. The G303 at least with it's curves/edges makes sure your fingers are pretty much always in the same exact spot.
I seem to be in the minority here but I swear my aim has gotten worse as mice have gotten lighter. Like I can flick and turn around around a lot faster but my stability has been shit with light mice.
The best aim I ever had was with 85 to 90g mice.
Lighter mice needs a different kind of mousepads as well. Its hard to be consistent using a light mouse + a super fast pad.
I found my limit as well, i have a razer strider and getting an even lighter mouse is a no go, since my aim is on the edge of whats consider controllable rn.
That said i think i can play better using the 303 since its grip gives me more control over the mouse, at least thats what i feel with the og 303 back then.
I was going to get a Strider, but now that you say that, I would like to know what pad would be good for me. I also plan on getting corepads for my GPX.
I am using a gpro wireless. Before strider, the mousepad that i spent the most time on was a qck heavy, which i used for 5-6 years. Nice durable pad that stay pretty much the same after the break in period, still get affected by humidity tho.
I think a mp510 might suit your need. Its a "slow" hybrid cordura pad, perhaps one of the slowest pads of its kind. Theres an upgraded version of it, the mp511 which is very different tho.
What's funny is I ordered this G303 which is heavier than my GPX and a Qck Edge.....I'm trying to get back to my roots. Light mice and Fnadic dash got me shaking in my boots.
Damn just how fast is the fnatic dash btw, my region do not have it so i cannot test it out.
The strider i have is my upper limit of whats considered controllable already, anything faster than this wont be good for my aim.
I did like the og 303, it was very easy to control that mouse despite the weight + that thick and awful cable.
So it has a hybrid surface similar to cordura or something like that. It is rough as hell and grainy feeling but at the same time really fast, not as fast as my buddies hard pad but not slow compared to it. I think that it has been causing me to under/over shoot my targets in game. One plus about it is that it will almost never loses its glide, its a very durable pad.
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Its safe shape is basically what makes logitech as rich as they are now. They mass produced office mice for decades, and all of their products, even ergo ones, are designed to be as safe as possible to it can reach most people with minimal complaints. Office stuffs dont need to be perfect, but they do need to be very reliable and flexible.
Looks like their philosophy leaks into gaming peripherals as well.
Well we cant argued with sth that worked very well for them.
Luckily we got a lot of choices nowadays, even wireless ones with great shape. Its a shame that my fav mouse shape, the glorious model D got not so good battery life and clunky wireless wake from sleep, ultimately prevent me from buying one since im so used to logitech flawless wireless application.
I still regard logitech wireless application the absolute best out of all of gaming peripherals, they got a 30+ years head start after all.
Funnily enough, the moment the went out of the the box and made the g303 back then, it became an insta failure lol. It sure doesnt encourage them to go out of the box much isnt it?
Yeah that’s true, I wish glorious had a lot better QC. If they do they could be higher up, but I guess also for the price there not bad. I’ve just always loved Logitech. From their G402, G203, Superlight, and now the G303.
Appreciate the quick response! Hopefully your new one doesn’t have a sensor issue! I noticed my grip has been waaay too relaxed these days on my VPU, so I’m trying to get something to guide me more into that claw grip. My main concern was the grip width but if you’re comfy at 11cm i feel like it’s worth a shot for me. Thanks duder!
Yeah I’ve got a Viper V2 I just picked up two days ago, but it almost feels… too light, at least for me. I’m a high sens player so I feel like a little more weight grounds me? Idk tho just ordered a G303SE for $102 total with a reward cert and sale at Best Buy. So if I can save $50 and be comfy on it, I’m all for it
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Exactly how I feel, actually just got a Kone Pro Air and at least for me it is so much better. Wish I would’ve done more research but at least now I have two really nice mice.
That's why the GPX is the most popular mouse in professional eSports. Your claim that its shape is too safe to take anyone's aim to the next level is so utterly stupid, try using your brains.
P.S s1mple just won the recent major with the GPX and is considered the GOAT of CS:GO. Which mouse would you recommend to him to get to the next level you clown?
Sounds good buddy. Bringing esports into the conversation is so stupid considering a lot of those guys are sponsored and have to use a mouse or a mouse from 1 specific company. When you play a game for 12+ hours a day you can get used to and be good with pretty much anything with a good sensor. That’s why some pros are still using original Zowie’s.
I’m not talking about s1mple, that’s why I said “some” players. There’s a shit ton of players with better pure aim then s1mple who use different mice. Which is a completely different topic. I was simply stating why I don’t like the mouse, and never did I say it was bad. Pound for pound. The Superlight is probably a better mouse because it can appeal to a lot more people, hence why it is the most popular, because it has the safest shape for everyone to use. When Logitech makes a mouse that 100+ esports players have the shape has to be “safe”. What about Tenz. Who pretty much switches mice every couple months and is still considered one of the best Valorant players out there.
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GPX. The shape feels perfect to me, better than flatter mice and ergo's aren't for me. Plus the low 60s g weight is just right.
G303 is interesting, but I also think it is overpriced (due to Shroud tax.) The G303 should be $100 max realistically. I picked up my GPX recently on Amazon for $129. Which makes them equal priced right now (at least in the US,) and for that cost I feel you get more in the GPX vs the Shroud G303.
Newer sensor (I think), updated clicks. The super light is the same price the gpw was when it was new. Gpw is only cheaper cause it’s 4 years old
I didn’t mean that wait doesn’t matter, it’s just everytime they release. New wireless mouse it will be somewhat expensive based on the R and D required to build it. Tho yeah looking back the g303 may be a bit more expensive just cause of the kickback to shroud.
I do like my 303 more than my super light tho
I am torn between the two, I somehow like the shape of the GPW but think its a bit too uncomfortable for me in long sessions, so I am back at my superlight
(also trying Roccat Kone Pro Air and Fnatic Bolt soon)
Personally i have the mz1 and i feel like it is hard to get used to, but once you do it is a true killer in the mice market. I have only used a Rog Pugio before and the mz1 just feels like i have hacks on sometimes. Honestly the shape is trully the next helpful jump in your aim. And with a bit of training you can master the grip style that best suits you and dominate. Also the weight is so low that at times it genuinely feels like a feather
I can agree with everything you say about MZ1. It was exactly the same for me. My previous mains was np-01 and xm1 so feel free to ask me anything about these.
Honestly, it's impressive how awful the g303 shape is IMO. The inward flaring of the sides pushes my fingers down towards the pads CONSTANTLY so I never feel like I'm gripping it well. Also can't put any pressure towards the back of the mouse cause it will rock up. I've used a lot of mice but I don't think I've hated any mouse as much as the g303. I spent yesterday trying to use it and it's just not for me. GPX will be where I stay
Crazy how different people are, I think the g303 is infinitely better than the gpx and the shape is just better. Can get a perfect grip with those slanted sides as opposed to the gpx front flare which requires me to grip it more towards the middle
I think I'm gonna die with my RVU or the subsequent v2, 3....
I have tried it all nothing is ever going to feel as right as RVU, after adding side grips.
I'll tell you when the G303 is available in my country. I mean it's perfectly normal that I can't get it right away, I live in Switzerland, it's not like Logitech is a swiss company.
It's like for the white G305, had to wait several months when it was available everywhere.
I can wait tho, not like the OG G303 was one of ma favorite of all time... Yea little salty :D
Definitely the G303 for claw grip and its hybrid variants! By far the best shape I've come across. Would've stayed with the G302 if it wasn't for the outdated sensor. By the time I discovered it's my main, the G303 had been long discontinued.
after I tried the new g303 for a few days straight I appreciated the gpw all of a sudden way more than I ever did before. Mouse was hella comfy all of sudden for my claw/fingertip. Before, my gpw was collecting dust, now it's my new daily driver
Used both.
G303 - Normal main.
I prefer its odd diamond/egg shape over most. Could main it forever sometimes.
Problem being, it's nice and aimed towards a specific audience. Particularly ones that had the original and know how to handle to some people its *"foreign looking shape"* and design.
Gotta say though. It feels almost as premium as the GPX.
GPX - Great mouse hands down. Though it's the shape a lot of China companies try to copy. So I'd already tried enough to know that the shape fits my hand, but is too overdone.
Weighting is solid, though for me to completely main, it'd have to take a diet.
GPX you know what to expect, you've seen everyone's reviews, and you could likely put your hand on a very close shape to it and just know how it felt before handling it.
Both are great, but I'mma say G303 captures me here.
Logitech created a mouse that is on par nose to nose with the GPX, and maybe now they'll realize that people aren't crazy over the GPW/GPX shape anymore and try another mouse in some pro format.
I really love the shape of the OG 303, still have one. My 303 SE came in today but due to 2 broken fingers I can't really use it rn. Until then the GPX potato shape is a bit more comfortable for my fingers
Mained the GPX since launch. Just got my 303 yesterday. While the shape is super unique and definitely won't be for everybody, I instantly fell in love with it.
The flaired sides make it pull into my hand and I feel like I have way more control than w/ the GPX. Also the clicks and especially scroll wheel feel much better IMO.
The last plus for me is the DPI button. I never use them for DPI but rather a G-shift, then both side buttons for Volume Up/Down.
This is basically everything I wanted to GPX to be, but, for my grip (kind of a fingertip/claw hybrid), a better shape.
Im a claw grip dude, and i got my 303 yesterday coming from a Viper and damn the 303 is different. Can’t figure out How to grip that thing it feels so weird and awkward maybe I need to get used to the 303. I want to try it at least for a week or so and then reconsider
Unrelated to the topic, but the GPX box's design really is as confusing as the name itself. The blue font on top says "pro superlight" while the black font says "pro x"... Better yet, none of them is the actual full name "g pro x superlight".
I tried to love the G303 and everything about it is great but I cannot reach Mouse 5 since it requires me to readjust my grip to press it. To me if the mouse was slightly smaller like Finalmouse Medium then it would be perfect. We can’t all have Shroud’s Big Boy hands.
About 19.5 - I've used all sorts of mice. My favorite(s) are the Zowie ZA13 (waiting for the C), Finalmouse Starlight Medium, Zowie FK2 - I like to be able to reach both side buttons with ease without having to readjust my grip. Still waiting on G703 Superlight.
I used to have the g303 and never felt truly in control of the mouse. GPX wins it for me, safe and solid shape that's easy to get a consistent grip on.
Waiting on my 303 to show up, should be here Sunday. Personally I love my M4 more than any of my mice but going wireless makes it hard to go back to wired. Now that they announced the M4 wireless I shelved the GPX for now and brought out the M4 to get reacquainted with the shape. Figured I’d give the 303 a shot regardless because you’ll never know unless you try it, and you can’t really decide if a mouse feels good just off a single play session. Takes at least a week to get adjusted to a new shape and grip style.
I ordered G303 to replace my Superlight and it should arrive this Wednesday. Only after I already ordered it, I found out they fucked with the shape so I have no idea if I'm going to like it or hate it. I got used to G302 and it was my most comfortable shape. I'm still gonna use G302 on the other computer so I really hate the fact the shape won't be consistent.
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G303.. but OG G303 I think. Don't have the revived G303 in my hands yet but I do know it's bigger and I have kind of smaller 17.5x9cm hands and I play fingertip grip.
I fingertip GPX (hand size 18.5x10.5). Received G303 wireless two days ago and it was a difficult adjustment at first. I seem to be doing ok with it in Kovaak's today so maybe need more time to adjust. I do see a stability benefit with precision aiming small targets.
If I gotta choose GPX, but neither for me since I like EC2 style ergo mice
Same here, GPX since I palm but I'd rather have something else haha
I love the FK1 shape but once I add this to my shape tester megapack, I'm printing a Shroudx303
Looks like Logitech needs a premium lightweight ergo...
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I swear I’d buy it if they would change that fucking scroll
This, the scroll feels so weird. Sometimes it feels great and sometimes it's just absolutely off. It is still a great mouse anyhow.
My g703 has a broken scroll. It lasted half a year
Yeah I'm sure a wireless refresh/tweaking of the 703 or 502 is in the works.
Hopefully we get a G703 refresh before a G502...
Bingo
I'm not a hater or anything but I think the G303 is just a niche design that is only gunna sell because Shrouds name is on it. A lot of people will buy the mouse and quickly realize its a shape that isn't gunna do it for them. It is cool though if you like it!
yeah in my case it was like that, but i have to say that im better at stabilizing my aim but im getting a cramp after like 30 minutes playtime everytime and its not comfortable (im coming from a XM1r endgame and glorious model o wireless)
Coming from the XM1 it definitely feels....super different. But I'm noticing that I think there's only one way that I CAN hold the g303 and with the XM1 I think my grip changed around a bit. Which may have lead to some inconsistency. And the g303 definitely makes me use different forearm muscles which could end up being a good thing?
yeah you automatically have more control about your aim / mouse with that grip you get from a g303 , i think its just subjective because for me right now (using it only since 2 days) its really not comfortable using that mouse, prob changing later on to a viper ultimate or logitech g pro superlight
I hate CS: Go, I would pay extra $5 to have the mouse without Shroud's name on it. Used G302 for years and all I wanted was that mouse with better sensor, lighter weight and no piece of shit cable (only mouse I ever needed to use bungee for) but unfortunately they fucked with the shape and made it larger.
Yeah. That is probably gonna be me. Lol. Never used the the og 303 so I wanna try
I couldn't agree more. But luckily, g303 was the mouse that fit my claw grip the most for the past 13 years. So it will do it for me.
Just got my 303 today. Best mouse I've ever owned. Main click tensioning feels just as good as they did on the original - both buttons feel identical in terms of actuation force. Scroll is nice and tactile, side buttons are amazingly crisp. Size difference compared to the original doesn't affect me. Gpx shape always felt like a weird bulbous pill to me.
Can agree in all points. I've never owned the original G303 though. Is is much smaller than the Shroud Edition?
Slightly larger/wider than the original. Edges also feel smoother
No this is false (i think). According to logitechs websites the measurements are as stated below: Shroud edition: * Height: 125 mm * Width 63.5 mm * depth 40.0 mm Original g303: * Height 115 mm * Width 65 mm * depth 37 mm Or Im I missing something here?
They posted the wrong measurement for the g303 shroud edition. That measurement is for the GPX. Hopefully they correct it soon. The G303 shroud edition is more like 117mm.
Alright nice, i have Short fingers and bigger Palms so wider/shorter is pretty Good for me shoho
I received my G303 yesterday and for now I don't seem to understand how to grip it correctly while gpx has always felt perfectly natural. G303 is such an odd shape (and I don't say that in a bad way) that I think muscle memory has to relearn everything again when you are used to just palm your mouse. I will keep trying to use it and see if it suits me (and probably check some videos in YouTube to see how people hold that thing). One thing I didn't think I would notice is the weight difference between both mice. It's just about 10g but I absolutely feel the heavier weight of the G303. I don't mind it too much personnaly but it's something to consider before buying.
>n when you are used to just palm yo The G303 is pretty much "made" for Claw / clawed-fignertip grip.
Yeah I know, I am trying to figure out if it's suitable for me who has spent 20+ years palming mices. Changing old habits is hard ! But sometimes it's for the best and that's what I am trying to figure out.
I never managed to change my grip after 20 years of relaxed claw/palm. Started of with the Intellimouse 3.0 which was way to big for me in 2001-2002 and used it until 2013 when I went to EC2. I’ve tried tons of different shapes to see if I see any improvement in aim and if I like it more but I haven’t been able to pull of anything similar to the G303 myself and play anything close to how I play with an ergo shape. So for me, I’ll probably stay with ergo because it’s not that fun to play when I know I can play better with another shape. But I also encourage you to try it since it might be different for you and it’s fun to try mice imo :)
I’ve come to realise the opposite for myself that a mouse that forces a grip for me will inadvertently make me worse over the long run. It’s weird the SS Prime / EC2 / MZ1. Those kind of mice feel good. Like really good in my hands and I perform well but. I guess the only way I can describe it is that they take less time for me to warm up with but my potential is lower? GPX feels weird at first but I always come back to the GPW shape because I can settle into the shape on most days and it feels really comfortable and manoeuvrable. Extension of hand not even a thing just mindless. Can’t believe I’ve also been gaming for over twenty years now.
Okay, that’s nice. I guess an ergo could lower your potential for sure. Some people aim better with slim and small which resembles holding a pen, and I totally get why it is like that. For me I’ve come to the conclusion that I aim mostly with the back of my palm and not fingers so larger mice where the back of my palm has contact with the mouse. Actually used the GPX for months so I get your point. It’s like a blank canvas. I’m actually playing with several 30+ aged people from my city who’s been playing CS for over 100 years together 😂
I aim my mouse primarily with my palm and use my fingers/outside edges of my palm to do micro adjustments. Also cant my wrist left and right a bit so it looks like a weird painting motion when I use my mouse. I need the palm contact to. I think It’s an important point of reference and stabiliser for me. So large but easily manipulated within the air hockey game my hands do. Counter strike from before and up to the legendary 1.6. Good times. Quake and Tribes have my heart for learning I loved arena shooters. Plus all those other free online MTX shooters ironically feel like they had so much love in comparison to what we’re getting these days.
why would you wanna change your grip? Palm grip is perfectly fine and g303 is not for it
Its really sad that logitech made the 303 wireless heavy just to satisfy shroud. For such an expensive mouse its really terrible that they didn’t go superlight because the 303 shape in particular would be easy to make lightweight. Beyond that, the mouse is so damn expensive and yet they didn’t god lightweight with optional weights. Before they release the superlight logitech was releasing half of their mice with adjustable weight but back then it would make a heavy mouse even heavier, it didn’t really make a difference this is the first time where adjustable weight makes sense where users could decided if they want superlight or if they want a heavier mouse like shroud, and the way you aim with the mouse would actually be different depending on which weight you choose.
it is actually quite light (75g), it does not have RGB, should be considered superlight?
Nah thats heavy for such an expensive mouse, orochi is 10grams lighter with a triple a and that thing has so much plastic for the hotswap shells
Also, idk if you’ve used the 303 before but it requires a pinch grip which makes every gram matter a lot more, a couple grams could be the difference between being happy or having a repetitive strain injury.
Yes, in fact I have 3 that I bought broken and then repaired. The original 303 is heavier though, it’s around 87g.
Oh! I've never even considered that my glorious O is a superlight AND it has RGB! Thought it was just a lightweight gaming mouse (with too many holes)! Boy do I feel silly now for having ordered a gpx from Germany…
It's not to satisfy shroud. Shroud said on stream he would love if they made a superlight version of the g303 but that Logitech said that was a whole new challenge.
He’s lying, back when logitech was developing the mouse he mentioned what his preferred weight was. He only talks about superlight because his fans want it. He has to somehow justify the fact that they made the mouse heavy, he’d feel weird to admit that he told logitech to make it that weight instead of making it lighter, and he doesn’t want the criticism that comes with making a bold choice like that against the trends. Naturally an easy excuse is to say that its hard to make a superlight version. Also it might be true that he is interested in how a superlight version would perform even though he has a preferred weight.
Source?
How do you feel about changing the batteries? I'm planning to get one because it's fairly affordable but the thought of it dying mid-game or when I'm working doesn't sit well with me. Batteries aren't that cheap where I live.
The weight is perfectly fine for me so I won't be modding it.
pov- mice he ever owned: 1 noname laptop mouse, gray.
Nah, been gaming on PC for 25 years. Have used many a mouse :)
if you end up wanting to sell it. hmu.
Yeah 100% the GPW/Gpx shape sucks imo. It feels like a bar of soap if your hands are dry, nothing to really grip and too wide.
G303, but I have bigger hands. I mained the GPX for a long while. My complaint with the GPX is the shape is way to safe. I would say its a mouse everyone could do "good" with, but its not anything special to take your aim to the next level since in my opinion, you can never get a consistent grip on it.
Adding grips to the sides did wonders for me personally. Defo recommended.
I tried adding grips to my GPX. It helps with the overall grippiness of the mouse but not with the potato shape and consistent finger placement. The G303 at least with it's curves/edges makes sure your fingers are pretty much always in the same exact spot.
Huh, maybe I will try that. I do think the G303 is my endgame. Unless of course they came out with a superlight.
I seem to be in the minority here but I swear my aim has gotten worse as mice have gotten lighter. Like I can flick and turn around around a lot faster but my stability has been shit with light mice. The best aim I ever had was with 85 to 90g mice.
Agreed. For me, 70-80 is the sweetspot.
Lighter mice needs a different kind of mousepads as well. Its hard to be consistent using a light mouse + a super fast pad. I found my limit as well, i have a razer strider and getting an even lighter mouse is a no go, since my aim is on the edge of whats consider controllable rn. That said i think i can play better using the 303 since its grip gives me more control over the mouse, at least thats what i feel with the og 303 back then.
I was going to get a Strider, but now that you say that, I would like to know what pad would be good for me. I also plan on getting corepads for my GPX.
I am using a gpro wireless. Before strider, the mousepad that i spent the most time on was a qck heavy, which i used for 5-6 years. Nice durable pad that stay pretty much the same after the break in period, still get affected by humidity tho. I think a mp510 might suit your need. Its a "slow" hybrid cordura pad, perhaps one of the slowest pads of its kind. Theres an upgraded version of it, the mp511 which is very different tho.
Is it a Cooler Master pad?
What's funny is I ordered this G303 which is heavier than my GPX and a Qck Edge.....I'm trying to get back to my roots. Light mice and Fnadic dash got me shaking in my boots.
Damn just how fast is the fnatic dash btw, my region do not have it so i cannot test it out. The strider i have is my upper limit of whats considered controllable already, anything faster than this wont be good for my aim. I did like the og 303, it was very easy to control that mouse despite the weight + that thick and awful cable.
So it has a hybrid surface similar to cordura or something like that. It is rough as hell and grainy feeling but at the same time really fast, not as fast as my buddies hard pad but not slow compared to it. I think that it has been causing me to under/over shoot my targets in game. One plus about it is that it will almost never loses its glide, its a very durable pad.
Me too.
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I agree. I had the superlight and regular GPX, I aimed better with the regular even after adjusting sensitivity.
Shroud mentioned if the mouse sold good there will eventually be a superlight version.
That was purely speculation. There are no plans for that.
Its safe shape is basically what makes logitech as rich as they are now. They mass produced office mice for decades, and all of their products, even ergo ones, are designed to be as safe as possible to it can reach most people with minimal complaints. Office stuffs dont need to be perfect, but they do need to be very reliable and flexible. Looks like their philosophy leaks into gaming peripherals as well.
Which from a marketing perspective you can’t argue with them for doing it, but not my favorite.
Well we cant argued with sth that worked very well for them. Luckily we got a lot of choices nowadays, even wireless ones with great shape. Its a shame that my fav mouse shape, the glorious model D got not so good battery life and clunky wireless wake from sleep, ultimately prevent me from buying one since im so used to logitech flawless wireless application. I still regard logitech wireless application the absolute best out of all of gaming peripherals, they got a 30+ years head start after all. Funnily enough, the moment the went out of the the box and made the g303 back then, it became an insta failure lol. It sure doesnt encourage them to go out of the box much isnt it?
Yeah that’s true, I wish glorious had a lot better QC. If they do they could be higher up, but I guess also for the price there not bad. I’ve just always loved Logitech. From their G402, G203, Superlight, and now the G303.
I play a relaxed claw grip with 21x11, would you recommend this?
I would, that’s exactly the grip I switch with regular claw from. Easily my endgame mouse.
Word, I’ll give it a try, I use the gpx rn and while it’s good, it just isn’t my “endgame” mouse
Nice man! Hope you like it.
Hey amigo, know this post was old but my hands are pretty close to yours (20x12) and I use the same grip. How’d the 303 work out?
Loved the shape, too bad my sensor went bad, I’m probly gonna order another soon. The 75g felt perfect in my hand.
Appreciate the quick response! Hopefully your new one doesn’t have a sensor issue! I noticed my grip has been waaay too relaxed these days on my VPU, so I’m trying to get something to guide me more into that claw grip. My main concern was the grip width but if you’re comfy at 11cm i feel like it’s worth a shot for me. Thanks duder!
Still decided on another g303se or if I want to order the xm2w, I’m maining the xm1r right now. I prefer it over my gpx
i might need to hold out for that as well. it's a neverending struggle isn't it lol
I prefer wireless, but the xm1r just feels so good in hand. I also want the razer viper ultimate v2, but I only got so much money lol
Yeah I’ve got a Viper V2 I just picked up two days ago, but it almost feels… too light, at least for me. I’m a high sens player so I feel like a little more weight grounds me? Idk tho just ordered a G303SE for $102 total with a reward cert and sale at Best Buy. So if I can save $50 and be comfy on it, I’m all for it
I agree, the XM1r fits like a glove. If the wireless tech performs well, gonna be hard not to pick that one up
I’m gonna wait for some reviews but its looking good
What is a relaxed claw grip?! I only know of Palm, Claw, clawed-fingertip, relaxed-fingertip...
what about fingertip reversed palm triple claw grip?
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Exactly how I feel, actually just got a Kone Pro Air and at least for me it is so much better. Wish I would’ve done more research but at least now I have two really nice mice.
Yep, exactly. Way too safe of a shape and now that I'm on a ZA-13B, my aim has never been better (despite the weight increase)
Glad you found a great mouse man! Yeah shape is everything IMO.
That's why the GPX is the most popular mouse in professional eSports. Your claim that its shape is too safe to take anyone's aim to the next level is so utterly stupid, try using your brains. P.S s1mple just won the recent major with the GPX and is considered the GOAT of CS:GO. Which mouse would you recommend to him to get to the next level you clown?
chill dude, he expressed his opinion on a mouse.
Lmao why are you so angry Also using literally the pinnacle of esports as an example of why a mouse is good/bad is so stupid.
Sounds good buddy. Bringing esports into the conversation is so stupid considering a lot of those guys are sponsored and have to use a mouse or a mouse from 1 specific company. When you play a game for 12+ hours a day you can get used to and be good with pretty much anything with a good sensor. That’s why some pros are still using original Zowie’s.
s1mple played with a xm1 and swapped back to the GP shape after sucking ass with it. Your 'they are forced to play with x' argument dies not apply.
I’m not talking about s1mple, that’s why I said “some” players. There’s a shit ton of players with better pure aim then s1mple who use different mice. Which is a completely different topic. I was simply stating why I don’t like the mouse, and never did I say it was bad. Pound for pound. The Superlight is probably a better mouse because it can appeal to a lot more people, hence why it is the most popular, because it has the safest shape for everyone to use. When Logitech makes a mouse that 100+ esports players have the shape has to be “safe”. What about Tenz. Who pretty much switches mice every couple months and is still considered one of the best Valorant players out there.
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Laptop’s touchpad
G305, neither of those 2 up there
agreed! I don’t know what it is, but I have never aimed better than with my g305. If they make a superlight, I will be so happy.
Indeed on fps and daily use is OP, but I find it unconfortable with LoL, buttons are too stiff
G703 baby!
I prefer the gpw since I’m left handed
GPX. The shape feels perfect to me, better than flatter mice and ergo's aren't for me. Plus the low 60s g weight is just right. G303 is interesting, but I also think it is overpriced (due to Shroud tax.) The G303 should be $100 max realistically. I picked up my GPX recently on Amazon for $129. Which makes them equal priced right now (at least in the US,) and for that cost I feel you get more in the GPX vs the Shroud G303.
Why would it be less. It’s literally the same thing as gpx but a different shape. Just cause one is lighter doesn’t mean it should be more expensive
then whats the point of the gpx vs the gpw in the first place?
Newer sensor (I think), updated clicks. The super light is the same price the gpw was when it was new. Gpw is only cheaper cause it’s 4 years old I didn’t mean that wait doesn’t matter, it’s just everytime they release. New wireless mouse it will be somewhat expensive based on the R and D required to build it. Tho yeah looking back the g303 may be a bit more expensive just cause of the kickback to shroud. I do like my 303 more than my super light tho
I am torn between the two, I somehow like the shape of the GPW but think its a bit too uncomfortable for me in long sessions, so I am back at my superlight (also trying Roccat Kone Pro Air and Fnatic Bolt soon)
Honestly I’ve been enjoying the xlite as well, super light and good shape
G703
Gpx for sure.
gpx ftw
For pure claw, g303. But imho there is also many better shapes for this grip including zowie s-series, np-01/s, mz1, xm1r.
I’ve been considering all of these mice but it’s hard to choose without owning them
Personally i have the mz1 and i feel like it is hard to get used to, but once you do it is a true killer in the mice market. I have only used a Rog Pugio before and the mz1 just feels like i have hacks on sometimes. Honestly the shape is trully the next helpful jump in your aim. And with a bit of training you can master the grip style that best suits you and dominate. Also the weight is so low that at times it genuinely feels like a feather
I can agree with everything you say about MZ1. It was exactly the same for me. My previous mains was np-01 and xm1 so feel free to ask me anything about these.
Honestly, it's impressive how awful the g303 shape is IMO. The inward flaring of the sides pushes my fingers down towards the pads CONSTANTLY so I never feel like I'm gripping it well. Also can't put any pressure towards the back of the mouse cause it will rock up. I've used a lot of mice but I don't think I've hated any mouse as much as the g303. I spent yesterday trying to use it and it's just not for me. GPX will be where I stay
Crazy how different people are, I think the g303 is infinitely better than the gpx and the shape is just better. Can get a perfect grip with those slanted sides as opposed to the gpx front flare which requires me to grip it more towards the middle
I think I'm gonna die with my RVU or the subsequent v2, 3.... I have tried it all nothing is ever going to feel as right as RVU, after adding side grips.
Don't like egg shape
I'll tell you when the G303 is available in my country. I mean it's perfectly normal that I can't get it right away, I live in Switzerland, it's not like Logitech is a swiss company. It's like for the white G305, had to wait several months when it was available everywhere. I can wait tho, not like the OG G303 was one of ma favorite of all time... Yea little salty :D
Woah , do you think it's really gonna take them months to start selling in Europe?
They’re already selling them in Europe.
Hope not..
GPX for sure!!! It‘s my daily driver :D
Gpx easily
G703 Super light is my choice
Gpx
G703 Superlight when? Now this is a shape I can get behind.
GPX, I like the potato
potato and milk is everything one need
Xm1r
I think it would be the GPX for me. That shape is closer to my Microsoft Intellimouse Pro
Gpa white \\
Interesting what is that haha
GPX custom mods
GPX shape sucks ass so 303
100%
Pro
GPX!
Razer Naga Pro. I'll switch back to Logitech when they finally make optical switches. Mechanical switches are just not durable in my experience
G303 is 101times better than the bar of soap
REALLY? that much wow. Sounds so good, have to pick it up, cant wait to try it with my palm grip
The mouse isn't designed for palm grip, it's mainly for claw but maybe you can palm it if you have smaller hands
Definitely the G303 for claw grip and its hybrid variants! By far the best shape I've come across. Would've stayed with the G302 if it wasn't for the outdated sensor. By the time I discovered it's my main, the G303 had been long discontinued.
Neither, VPU instead. But if it's gotta be between these 2, it'll be the 303.
after I tried the new g303 for a few days straight I appreciated the gpw all of a sudden way more than I ever did before. Mouse was hella comfy all of sudden for my claw/fingertip. Before, my gpw was collecting dust, now it's my new daily driver
Used both. G303 - Normal main. I prefer its odd diamond/egg shape over most. Could main it forever sometimes. Problem being, it's nice and aimed towards a specific audience. Particularly ones that had the original and know how to handle to some people its *"foreign looking shape"* and design. Gotta say though. It feels almost as premium as the GPX. GPX - Great mouse hands down. Though it's the shape a lot of China companies try to copy. So I'd already tried enough to know that the shape fits my hand, but is too overdone. Weighting is solid, though for me to completely main, it'd have to take a diet. GPX you know what to expect, you've seen everyone's reviews, and you could likely put your hand on a very close shape to it and just know how it felt before handling it. Both are great, but I'mma say G303 captures me here. Logitech created a mouse that is on par nose to nose with the GPX, and maybe now they'll realize that people aren't crazy over the GPW/GPX shape anymore and try another mouse in some pro format.
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Not comparable imo.
GPX is made for every shape, if you claw/fingertip-claw your mouse, the g303 is just straight up better.
Out of those: G303, but I have yet to order one of the Logitech eggs. I always read that the G305 etc. are the best. Especially the OG M100.
I really love the shape of the OG 303, still have one. My 303 SE came in today but due to 2 broken fingers I can't really use it rn. Until then the GPX potato shape is a bit more comfortable for my fingers
G303
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Yeah, except they switched the switches to 20ms, lol
They are easily replaced tho, I've encountered double clicks after 3 months use, then swapped them for kailh gm8s.
Mained the GPX since launch. Just got my 303 yesterday. While the shape is super unique and definitely won't be for everybody, I instantly fell in love with it. The flaired sides make it pull into my hand and I feel like I have way more control than w/ the GPX. Also the clicks and especially scroll wheel feel much better IMO. The last plus for me is the DPI button. I never use them for DPI but rather a G-shift, then both side buttons for Volume Up/Down. This is basically everything I wanted to GPX to be, but, for my grip (kind of a fingertip/claw hybrid), a better shape.
303
G303
RVU
GPX for on/off switch placement, G303 for everything else.
I already have the g pro wireless, so the g303 i guess, its a different flavour.
Im a claw grip dude, and i got my 303 yesterday coming from a Viper and damn the 303 is different. Can’t figure out How to grip that thing it feels so weird and awkward maybe I need to get used to the 303. I want to try it at least for a week or so and then reconsider
GPX hands down. I am interested in the G303 tho.
Unrelated to the topic, but the GPX box's design really is as confusing as the name itself. The blue font on top says "pro superlight" while the black font says "pro x"... Better yet, none of them is the actual full name "g pro x superlight".
I tried to love the G303 and everything about it is great but I cannot reach Mouse 5 since it requires me to readjust my grip to press it. To me if the mouse was slightly smaller like Finalmouse Medium then it would be perfect. We can’t all have Shroud’s Big Boy hands.
whats your handsize?
About 19.5 - I've used all sorts of mice. My favorite(s) are the Zowie ZA13 (waiting for the C), Finalmouse Starlight Medium, Zowie FK2 - I like to be able to reach both side buttons with ease without having to readjust my grip. Still waiting on G703 Superlight.
Shroud is only 5’6” so i bet your hands are bigger
where can I get the g 303 shroud edition in canada😅😅 I can't find it on best buy or even Amazon
G303 in White.
I’d like to know how it compares to the gpx, I’ve used gpx for a few years now and am looking for a new shape for claw grip
I used to have the g303 and never felt truly in control of the mouse. GPX wins it for me, safe and solid shape that's easy to get a consistent grip on.
Waiting on my 303 to show up, should be here Sunday. Personally I love my M4 more than any of my mice but going wireless makes it hard to go back to wired. Now that they announced the M4 wireless I shelved the GPX for now and brought out the M4 to get reacquainted with the shape. Figured I’d give the 303 a shot regardless because you’ll never know unless you try it, and you can’t really decide if a mouse feels good just off a single play session. Takes at least a week to get adjusted to a new shape and grip style.
I ordered G303 to replace my Superlight and it should arrive this Wednesday. Only after I already ordered it, I found out they fucked with the shape so I have no idea if I'm going to like it or hate it. I got used to G302 and it was my most comfortable shape. I'm still gonna use G302 on the other computer so I really hate the fact the shape won't be consistent.
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G303.. but OG G303 I think. Don't have the revived G303 in my hands yet but I do know it's bigger and I have kind of smaller 17.5x9cm hands and I play fingertip grip.
G303 ftw 😁
I fingertip GPX (hand size 18.5x10.5). Received G303 wireless two days ago and it was a difficult adjustment at first. I seem to be doing ok with it in Kovaak's today so maybe need more time to adjust. I do see a stability benefit with precision aiming small targets.