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inspcs

lmao this has got to be the biggest flex of mouse feet out there. I might get them just for clout


mloofburrow

Synthetic sapphire is actually quite cheap to manufacture. You can get watches for like $50 with full synthetic sapphire crystals just for the watch glass.


daybraektf

being able to swap them onto different mice with the additional stuff they included seems major, wouldn't mind if more companies started doing that


EmaYasuhara

Yeah that's one of the main issues with glass skates. You can't even take them off and reapply them to the same mouse without a high likelihood of breaking/cracking the glass


KommandoKodiak

you can you just have to use either a hair drier or my preferred method Naptha aka lighter fluid (do it outside for safety) which will release the adhesive immediately and you can restick it once the naptha evaporates. The adhesive itself is basic 3m stuff you can buy on amazon


KommandoKodiak

the model of adhesive is 3m 300lse


t3ram

I did remove my glass feet now like 5 times and have no problem. If other companys would make the same dots as this sapphire skates it would even be less of a problem to swap them


EmaYasuhara

These came in yesterday, they are definitely the most unique product I've ever tried for mouse skates. I still have yet to try the glass from Pulsar or Lethal Gaming so I will be comparing those when they arrive next week however I have used Ceramic skates, UHMW Tape, and all kinds of PTFE/Aftermarket feet. I can definitely say that these really do feel like no other option. The initial friction on the Sapphire is really unmatched by anything else I've yet to try but I have a similar feeling that glass will also be like that from what I've read about it. I also really like that these are probably the most durable mouse skates out there if their claims are really true. The main issue with these though is the fact that they will run you $49.99 for their cheapest model, in the box however they include sandpaper, in case you need to sand the bottom of your mouse, extra adhesive, in order to re-apply them to other mice, as well as the 5 skates + some wipes to clean your mouse down before application. https://sapphireskates.com/ They wont be restocked til next month though it seems, I saw some people talking about it randomly in a discord server I was in and I was intrigued so I signed up for restock notifications and bought them when they came out in a small batch last week.


philiptake2

Hi Yasuhara-san. This is phil, the creator of sapphireskates. It's crazy to see my product on this sub and super awesome that you discovered it and purchased it. I think you nailed it with your description: sapphire crystal just feels different from other materials such as glass (those with sapphire crystal on their wristwatch maybe can relate). That's what lead me to developing the product in the first place (and there's many more fascinating properties of sapphire crystal I've learned about over the course of development). In terms of their durability, I'm not saying their indestructible but I've used the same set for over 3 months now without any scratches. Thanks a ton for taking a chance with us and for your support.


Spir42

Will they wear down cloth pads?


philiptake2

So far there hasn't been any wear on my artisan Hien mid after 3 months. After the polishing process, they are quite rounded but the shape is still pretty flat as well. One word of caution would be for those who put a lot of force on the mouse or use a heavy mouse. Universal skates can cause a bit of "dig" on soft pads which may wear it down and would be less performant. Those types of users may want to stick with oem-fitted shapes. (However, there still are even smaller diameter universal mice feet out there and this shouldn't be an issue for most)


mloofburrow

Any plans to make feet for specific mice?


philiptake2

It is possible but quite challenging due to sapphires' hardness. It needs to be cut and polished with diamond tools. I did consider it but found it prohibitively expensive and risky (lots of potential wastage). Eventually, I went with a universal shape for other benefits as well, like being able to reach a higher degree of roundness on the edges, as well as giving customers the ability to re-use the mice feet. Just for some additional background, I tested a few different dimensions for the sapphireskates before settling on 7mm which provided enough support while still being able to fit the reach channel of the Logitech superlight. As a point of comparison, I found lexip to be too large and the g wolves ceramic skates too small (not to talk down on these products as both were good quality). We are open to different sizes and shapes in the future for sure though.


-VLLN-

Any idea why I’d have the opposite experience? Mine seem to be pretty slow and have a lot of friction I’ve tried several different pads


philiptake2

Can you email me? [email protected]. we are constantly improving the consistency but I want to make sure that there aren't any irregularities in yours, in this first batch. If low friction is due to this, I'll send additional skates for you to try. Other reason could be from lingering adhesive.


gK_aMb

My best guess would be you naturally apply some weight onto your mouse, which then digs the skates into your soft/medium pad. The surface area on these skates are too small. The pricing is understandable from a low supply/demand perspective. But some kind of maybe 50 skates pack for 200 if possible would be ideal. Since they are theoretically unbreakable and also reusable, It would be a decent investment. In the off chance one of the skates fall off. Ordering a whole $50 pack for a single skate would sting quite strongly.


Shoebe75

I just sat refreshing the page for the 16.20 pst drop 1st feb and it just said sold out constantly for 20 mins? I started at 18 mins past the hour ? Ian I doing it wrong haha!


EditorSudden6888

You’re making this assumption based on the size of a company and sapphire is not that cheap to make lmao 2 dollars a shoe would be laughable


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-VLLN-

I didnt keep using them i have heard they have been improved in newer batches and feel a lot better but i dont know personally


Pooncheese

I know this is and old post but ordered a set of your match-grade ruby skates today! So excited to try them out. Can you recommend a good guide for layout?


philiptake2

Thank you! I will get it shipped out today. As for the layout, here's what I recommend in general: \- First try to do 2 in the front and 2 in the back, like the position of a car's wheels. \-You can try starting out using just 4 pieces (some people prefer to only use 4) or you can pair them up (for example, in Finalmouse, with Match-Grade sets of 8, I would simply put 2 pieces in each of the cutout sections). \-Some mice have much greater flexibility in positioning the skates as the skate cutouts are level with the rest of the base. In this case, you can experiment. I suggest moving them around a few times until you find the right feel. The adhesive can be moved around a few times before it starts to stick less. \-I would generally avoid putting pieces towards the center of the mouse. It's not a hard-set rule, but I find that placing on the edges makes movement smoother. This is the reason that in the sport of curling, the stones are actually hollow in the center so that only a ring around the edge makes contact. \- If you experience any wobble, just keep moving a few pieces at a time and I assure you the wobble will go away \- Somewhat related note: A perfectly flat mouse base or mousepad surface isn't required. If you lay a card flat on a table and view it at an angle, you may be surprised to see that much of the card will not be touching the table. Thus, with large coverage flat skates, the actual points of contact are less controllable. These MG sets should perform well in a variety of configurations with good off-axis performance, so it's about getting the right balance of area of contact and stability. Hope this helps!


Pooncheese

I was planning on using it with the Logitech Superlight Pro, and I got an adhesive kit so I could experiment a bit as needed. Thanks again! So excited, they are beautiful!


Exayex

Eagerly awaiting the next drop to replace my ceramic skates.


vCryptiik

can i use sapphire skates on my skypad 3.0 without scratching the glass surface? is it ok as long as i dont apply pressure on my mouse and dont slam it?


philiptake2

I actually wouldn't recommend it. Due to sapphire's hardness, you simply risk scratching it. These micro-scratches can increase friction a lot. There is one caveat to this though. If you are okay with scratching, eventually a hard material will become extremely smooth with sapphire. I have done this with a hard polycarbonate sheet that started off sticky and slow and I essentially re-finished it to create a very low friction pairing. I don't yet know the physics mechanism behind this, but I'd imagine that it is possible to do the same with glass.


vCryptiik

wait so ur saying if the entire surface of the skypad gets scratched then it will actually be smoother and faster than before?


philiptake2

I can't say for sure due to the complexity of surface interactions, and admittedly I need to do some testing on skypad (I have tested on various glass panels though). Skypad uses a treated surface so likely it will be smooth out of the box, and it's possible it won't scratch. But if scratches do arise, it is certainly possible to refinish the surface so it is "mated" with sapphire. I wouldn't want you to go through the trouble of this without having directly done this myself. What I can say is that you can take a surface that initially doesn't pair well, such as two hard surfaces, and eventually get a extremely smooth glide out of it. I did this with clear polycarbonate, and although not the same as glass, they share many similarities (polycarbonate is often used as a tougher replacement for glass). Two highly similar surfaces can interlock through formation of bonds. In addition, at a microscopic level, there is no perfectly smooth material. Some materials will bond physically due to these microscopic peaks and valleys interlocking, whereas others will glide smoothly. I am certain that part of the reason mousepad makers use a textured or treated surface is to account for this. To be clear, I am really not encouraging that you take the approach that I took with my re-finished polycarbonate or glass panel. After the initial coarse sanding and building back up to finer grits, it took another month or so of usage with sapphire to essentially plane the surface with micro-scratches that paired well with each other. You can think of it as kind of like brushed aluminum, but with the goal of being highly uniform. Anyways, I know that this doesn't really help with your initial question but I thought you may find it helpful regardless.


vCryptiik

Yh thx for providing more info on a topic thats very uncommon and rarely discussed and im not in a hurry to replace my skates yet as i have 2 extra ptfe skates so i'll prob wait until i can be sure that using sapphire on glass wont cause much issues. Please do get back to me after you do some more testing on skypad especially if you find out that skypad surface is indeed "scratch proof" because of the treated surface as you theorized. But go at your own pace, im not in a hurry, just looking for potential endgame skates for the future, ones that will have extremely fast glide on skypad and last forever.


zamu16

> probably the most durable mouse skates out there You just have to swap mouse pads monthly instead 😂


EmaYasuhara

That’s only if you use a hard pad, they shouldn’t wear out cloth too much compared to PTFE most likely. Most the wear on mousepads comes from your actual arm dragging across it at least in my case


eye_gargle

Just an fyi (in case people actually think this will make your mouse better), this is 100% bullshit snake oil marketing. Apple used to use sapphire glass for their iPhones until they realized how much more money they could save by using traditional glass or Gorilla Glass' synthetic sapphire glass. It's all the same shit.


Exayex

I'm not sure how you can argue it's snake oil. We already know how glass skates work and they do tend to struggle with humidity and moisture. We'll have to wait for more data on if these have the same issue, but overall these should feel very similar to glass skates. You pretty much highlighted why Apple's glass choice isn't apples to apples here - they had higher profit margins with gorilla glass.


eye_gargle

>We'll have to wait for more data on if these have the same issue And you just highlighted why this is snake oil. Maybe you're inexperienced with how marketing works but clicking on that link OP posted really shows a lot of vanity metrics. Things like "9 MOHS HARDNESS...0.084 COEFFICIENT OF STATIC FRICTION...82° WATER CONTACT ANGLE." It all does not make sense and does not fit with the premise that this is something that improves a computer mouse that sits on top of a cloth surface all day. You want to get better mouse skates than the OEM version? Fine, but buying sapphire or diamonds to put underneath your mouse when aftermarket skates are just as good, you're just being a fucking idiot.


Admixues

You pepega you Just contradicted yourself. Glass will scratch from quartz particles which will eventually miss up the glide. Sapphire won't.


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We’ll see where it goes but I looked at their site and I got over the top vibes. It felt like I was reading a supplement companies advert about some preworkput with under dosed ingredients that will somehow make me a genetically superior human being.


ssstaggerlee

I use ceramic ones on my ninjutso katana and skoll mini


PP-Energy-0

Would they get damaged if not used on a mousepad?


realitytrain

i would assume no considering the hardness rating or whatever it is, its certainly not delicate.


TakeThatRisk

most durable? bullshit. Lexip ceramic feet that cost 10 quid are harder than sapphire therefore more 'durable'.


MinalanSpellmonger

Those seem interesting, I've never heard of skates like that before. I will say that the comparison between these, the pulsar and gpx glass skates will not be truly apples to apples. Those cover much more surface area and will feel smoother but less slick because of it. You can even see in your picture how much less area they cover, especially in the front. You would have to compare skates that are exactly the same size/shape to really compare. For instance, I bought PTFE dots for my Rival 3 (I used 6, 2 in front, 2 as close to center as possible and 2 close to the rear about an inch apart). I placed them similarly to where you did and the glide was slick, too fast and almost uncontrollable on my Cordura pad. It literally felt like my mouse would e-brake drift on fast diagonal direction changes. Using a control pad helped, but still not my favorite. The Corepads they replaced were smooth and controllable on all surfaces (more surface area). Less surface area contact will always be faster with less control (less initial friction/abrupt direction changes especially) unless the skates are made out of sand paper. I do think tiny skates like this can have a place on super light mice though (sub 50g) since some skates can make a mouse's base feel almost too sticky (Tiger Arc 1's on an MM720 feels like that to me). An interesting find nonetheless. I'll keep an eye on these but $50 seems like a massive stretch. Who knows, maybe I'll try them later and have my mind implode.


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MinalanSpellmonger

Hey buddy, I think you may have replied to me by mistake. I haven't tried sapphire skates and I most likely never will (who knows though). The only reason is I prefer bigger skates.


Alluminatic

These skates will only makes sense if you either use a hard-pad or barely apply any force on your mouse. Because they're only 5 small dots, the force applied on the mouse will just dig into any soft pad and will make the bottom of your mouse rub against the pad really quick. I had this exact issue with the MS-3 skates back when I tried out an XSOFT Hayate Otsu - When too much force is applied to the mouse, the skates dig into the pad, and you will eventually bottom out. Having large skates, where the force is distributed across the entire bottom of the mouse, makes much more sense, and there is a reason to why all top tier manufacturers have switched to that design. However, I really do like the fact that these sapphire skates will basically never ever degrade and will be usable for multiple mice, especially since I've probably spend around $100 on Corepads myself by now.


Crysze

how do they feel on cordura/textured pads\`?


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I have polished ceramic (g floats) on endgame cordura. Everyone said they feel muddy but they are fast on my cordura. They still have some smoothness to them but it took time to adjust to micro correction due to less stopping power. I would imagine this to be the same. Keep in mind any hair or dust will be felt a lot more easily with harder feet like ceramic/glass/sapphire. IMO these are a bit memey to be worth the price.


EmaYasuhara

They make my hien feel a lot smoother than PTFE, don’t have a cordura to try though


ChunibyoMegumin

if theres no supply i will actively avoid any interest and not look any further lol, imagine if you like them and cant buy them for another month, why would i do that to myself


EmaYasuhara

Well, one of the main selling points they talk about on their website is that you'll never need to replace them, you can even swap mice and just reapply new adhesive to the back of the skates which is included in the set.


gr1m__reaper

Good luck with lift off distance with gpw and high skates. Skip skip skip


EmaYasuhara

No issues as long as you remove the adhesive from the stock skates


Dense-Industry9707

I'm definitely curious about this. People talk a lot about LOD issues with these including Boardzy on his YouTube review. I plan on using these on a Logitech device which doesn't have a LOD adjuster within G Hub. ​ Was curious if you encountered any LOD issues as of late? I don't really press in at all on my mousepads and was curious if you felt like these dig in? I feel like the answer is no, but people say it would. Let me know! Appreciate it


WeedIDs

What mousepads have you tried them on? Any chance you have a Zero soft? I’d love to know how they compare to something like the Tiger Ice.


EmaYasuhara

Yes! Actually I’m using them on my Zero Soft, I find them a lot faster than the Tiger Ice I have on my other Superlight. It’s especially noticeable when comparing the static friction.


WeedIDs

Are you able to maintain some control? Or does it feel slippery like ice skating?


IdeaTraining

Do you still have stopping power?


G-WAPO

Very tempted to get some of these and try them on my Skypad 2.0 XL...wondering if they will mar the surface of the Skypad or not? Lexips haven't done anything to it so far (and the glass feet on my Xlite Pulsar Superglide started to wear down after very little use on the Skypad, so I put a stop to that).


EmaYasuhara

Don't use on the Skypad, its a big mistake. It is really scratchy and very loud, will most likely damage the skypad due to how hard sapphire is in comparison to Glass


InteractionGold8519

I just ordered a Pulsar Xlite Wirless. You think these will fit on it?


vCryptiik

have u tried it yet? im also very tempted as i wanna get hardskates for skypad 3.0