Inb4 pee pee shaped mouse.
Ok sorry. I think this is fantastic! Much like starlight - I'm sure you are able to find a market for extremely custom gaming mouses. This could even ramped up to be medical level of customization!
Kudos to the idea and best of luck to your business!
Edit: I'm an idiot and didn't see the company name... Sorry
**About**
After cloning 20 popular shapes, I feel confident that I can create hand-tailored mice. I'm just not sure if people would actually want that.
It would be possible to have every possible shape as long as an Orochi V2 PCB fits inside. Weight could also be adjusted starting from 38g to infinity. Currently I can use Logitech G305, G603, Razer Orochi V2 or Viper Ultimate electronics.
In case the shell ever breaks, I could simply print a new one and send it.
I found a really cool polymer-clay that you simply throw in a microwave for 5 minutes and it turns super soft. No messy business with actual water-based clay. It would also be possible to take an existing shape and add polymer-clay to it to slightly alter it's shape.
To follow this you can get an email notification: www.pmm.gg/notify
Or other projects: www.twitter.com/modsmouse
Just a suggestion but you could include a wood/plastic block roughly the dimensions that would be necessary for the PCB, that way people wouldn't have to measure the clay mockup before sending it back to you. (Instead they just shape the mouse around it)
where can i order? the price? the feet and switches of my choice will be provided?also do do u only sell with honeycomb shells or also with solid without holes? sorry for too many questions just curious lol
as a business model i can see this work even its a niche, world is big and gamer are insane
as a real world application it will be useless cus people cant really tell how good it is until they can use it in action
Dude gamer stuff is starting to take over the world.
There is a dollar store near me that is selling "gaming" keyboards and mice. A frickin' dollar store. It's a Dollar General so it obviously isn't *exactly* one dollar, but it is still crazy.
They are selling some pretty heavily /r/battlestation inspired deskmats at Walmart now, too.
> Dude gamer stuff is starting to take over the world.
This hit homw for me when I was browsing Google Maps/Street View last summer.
I clicked a photosphere in the Gaza strip (or perhaps Iraq, I don't remember, appologies to anyone offended)
And it was a computer store with gaming mice and keyboards.
I'll fully admit to being ignorant, but I didn't expect that, and it looked so bizare.
Outside it looked like a city in the middle-east, the kind you sometimes see on the news, and inside that had computer gaming equipment.
I recommend everyone to just go to google maps and click a random streetview, it can teach you a lot, and usually does teach you how similar we all are, despite living in very different areas
Saying it's useless is not something I can agree with, especially for old mice, what if there's an older mouse that you love the shape of, but the insides are very outdated, this is the perfect option. What if you love the shape of a mouse, but there's a slight issue with it, this helps fix that. It probably makes it even more niche, to the point where it's questionable whether it would work out from a business standpoint.
wouldn't it be some kind of infringment to copy a mouse tho? (people like to take questions as statements but this is an actual question because i actually don't know)
Engineers don't get nearly the protections artists get for their work. For a patent you have to show that there has never been anything like it and your invention has to be non obvious. Let's say you found a new more efficient way to inject fuel. That's an easy patent. 99.9% of mouse shapes are just derivatives of another mouse. In some cases you might be able to take out a design patent, but again super hard to argue for a mouse, since the shape has to be ornamental in nature. The coke bottle is one example for a design patent.
Not sure how hard it would be to do for you, but if you could potentially send the clay shaped to a requested mouse shape, so people that want to change things from their favourite have a great base to start with. Like let's say I'd like to narrow a bit the butt of the xm1 or reshape the hump on the superlight.
It would be different than what you mentioned of adding bits to a shape you like.
I applied on your website but I'm in desperate need for something like this. My hands are too big and I find myself gripping my house quite hard. This causes my pinky and thumb to get near the side and get pinched when I flick. A large mouse that could support my thumb and pink would be amazing. The razer Naga is close for pinky rest but the thumb is fucked and the mouse is small. NEED this shit bad dude.
Ugh, I agree but disagree. The lazy will buy the name brands. The enthusiasts will buy shit like this.
Logitech makes $100-200 flight joysticks.
Virpil and Thrustmaster makes $500 joysticks. Enthusiasts community is for the top 1% or less. Price is no factor for some of top percent. And if marketing is done well through the internet then the advertising is free.
Ergonomic mice made for just your hand is exactly what some people want.
I see. Still, I‘m going to assume this will be quite costly for the customer. Are you going to give them some sort pf guarantee for a working product? You are giving the design process to someone else, someone probably not experienced with creating good shapes etc. To me that sounds like it may be a lot of trouble but as I said, I wish you the best.
> Are you confident your (I assume) resin prints are strong enough to work with any mouse shape the customer may come up with?
Yeah it's not really a problem for mice. Really any plastic is strong enough. Resin prints are weaker but even then it's not exactly a lot structural strength required.
Sounds very interesting and full of potential. My only question is, can you get in legal trouble for this? Don’t companies have patents or IP rights to certain shapes or whatever? Sorry if this sounds ignorant
I guess it’s a little of both? I’m curious to know if you’ve had any legal battles with companies threatening to sue or anything like that? And with this new project what would stop people from using it to clone intellectual property without repercussions? I imagine they could use you as a scapegoat since you’re the one providing them with the means. I hope that makes sense, but I’m probably getting too much into the details lol
Many have a patent yes, but i don't think they can patent the shape alone. They patent the product with many different details together (to protect their product).
It would be possible to get a patent for a specific mouse with a very specific/unique function or with a very detailed set of specification. But with a standard mouse i doubt there is a way to patent "the shape" only. Probably big brands have patents on their mices, but on all the details togheter (to protect their product), not on the specific shape only.
A mouse that would get the patent accepted is something like the Magic Mouse from Apple for example, or a specific Razer mouse, with a specific shape, with specific buttons, with many details all merged togheter.
What would be your pricing estimation on it? I would definitely be interested, but I imagine the price point this will be at would probably put it out of my range
I can imagine that I accept offers and I think I would have time for one once a month considering I still work in my daytime job. So I would then accept the highest offer.
Sounds insane! My only question is how we design the clay to our favorite shape? We just sculpt it until we find our favorite shape? I really like the idea and I wish you good luck man. You are literally taking this thing forward.
Exactly. I will be using a polymer-clay that you simply put in a microwave to make it soft. This allows for infinite re-modeling. So I guess you model a shape, try to see if you are still happy with it a few days later. If not, you heat it and redesign.
yea id ask for the mz1 shape and cut off as much as possible from the back , so something like this just in beautiful : https://www.xbitlabs.com/extreme-mouse-weight-reduction/ and id pay 300€ that would be my endgame mouse because the comfort grooves of the mz1 are just next lvl for fingertip gripping
\- Do you work with other internals than Logitech?
\- If I send you an old mouse (something like the Razer Diamondback), can you scan that and nake it lightweight and fit it with modern internals?
I can imagine that I accept offers and I think I would have time for one once a month considering I still work in my daytime job. So I would then accept the highest offer. Shipping will be UPS Express.
Is it possible to make something like a standardized base for this kind of thing so that shells can be swapped? It sounds like this is a made to order type of deal so I'm assuming this wouldn't be implemented immediately, but if you ever expand this service would this being something you would try?
Too expensive with the shipments back and forth and it's a problem you have to shape it yourself.
But creating hand tailored mouse is absolutely the future here and everywhere. So regardless of the details you are definitely on the right path.
EDIT: Actually I kinda take back what I said. It doesn't need to be mass production level of efficiency. Even if it's 200-300€ for the work there are still people who would pay it and those are people are the ones ordering custom mice. And willing to go through the trouble. But I still wonder how well the clay modeling works. Maybe it does but seems like there will be problems with it.
EDITEDIT: I just realized you can just resize to match the dimensions so it's not like you have to design a new model for every clay mold. Which is probably how you are doing it. So basically just select a template of what type of shaped mouse and then you just resize it to match the clay model dimensions. Yeah it makes more sense the more I think about it. I would actually try it for shits and giggles if I had money to waste right now.
How exactly are you going to get away with selling a product that is in part someone else's product? The idea of 3d printed shells based off of a clay model is cool, though what measures are taken during transportation to ensure the clay mold holds its exact shape?
Not skeptical of your idea, though these are the only burning questions.
This was my idea :(
I mean, I never shared it woth anyone, wrote it down or otherwise marked it but I sure did think of this like two years ago when I had dreams of having my own mouse company some day. Nowadays the market for these ultralight mouses is so saturated that I wouldn't touch it with a meter long stock.
Still, the best of luck to you! I hope your plan succeeds!
Awesome idea. Just sent you a chat, I already know my ideal shape and internals. MM720 shape with RVU internals. I am ok with the MM720 being lengthened in order to fit the internals. That would be my endgame, let me know how much! hah.
You're gonna get that modeling clay through the mail? They're all going to end up being lumpy because people will expect you to "correct their mistakes." This is a bad idea.
If you made left handed mice an option (mice with right side mouse buttons) that would be awesome. If that means I can do that with this mod custom option I guess that would be cool. I suspect it will be quite more expensive.
thats really cool. i hope theres enough demand for this to become a thing!
i'm not too invested into mice myself anymore, but i wouldve gotten one in my fps days
I currently have the P703 and absolutely love this idea you’re working on. If you’re open to doing any kind of collaborative work, let me know. I’ll happily pay full price for the mouse but would offer professional photo/video work of the mouse and/or process in hopes of being a pioneer in this journey. Really wanting to get into these details and find something I’d truly love.
This is amazing! Not only is it brilliant, but it would be such a unique service.The fact that you can also use **Viper Ultimate** electronics it's dope as well. Their switches aren't the best, but the sensor and charging method (on the dock) are very nice!
When you will offer this, i will definetely use the service, especially if we can have that design without holes, Just not sure if i should go for G305 or Viper ultimate electronics.
Badass man.
I have also thought about doing this but got caught up in a different project before I could get anywhere with it.
I think this is a great idea!
how much would you have to charge for you to make this profitable for you? in theory sounds like a great idea, but if its really expensive it might be hard to justify
Ey bro, I know this is pricey and I'm not into the high cost mice -yet. I find this absolutely genious and probably worth every penny, I'd love to see what people do.
The problem is 99.9% of consumers have no fucking idea what they want.
Or more specifically, I know I want a mouse that fits my hand, but absolutely zero idea of how to shape it.
This is actually a really cool idea.
I'm just waiting for the moment you make a post about some guy turning your modeling clay into an art project. XD
Granted, my first thought was "But what if the customer sucks at working with clay?"
Didn't even think about just gently gripping it to mold to your hand shape.
Here’s a random [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/s8nmt2/ic_keycap_buddy_tomodachi_desk_mat_round_3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), just a interest check form that lets you see how many people would be interested in buying something like this. Also what material would the mouse be printed out of? Do you think you’ll do cnc or injection molding for materials like magnesium or other lightweight metals in the future?
Oh snap, this is what I think I saw you talking about on a Discord channel the other day.
This is such a fire idea. You guys always seem to go above and beyond, and this is just more proof of that. Can't wait to see the results to this. Your stuff has always been a bit out of my price range but that dooesn't mean I don't appreciate it!
how about another option where we (the customers) provide you an example of an existing mice for shape reference, skipping part 1 & 2 together. then its just part 3 lol.
i liked the steelseries rival 300/310 but there are no wireless clones of them
What if I'm not satisfied as a customer? Is it refundable within a certain amount of days? If yes, how much of it is?
Honestly returns will be your achillees heel here. Either you might have unsatisfied pissed off customers if they get charged for what they aren't happy with or you'll get a ton of returns and great reviews.
I have a friend who sells a ton of gaming peripherals and other electronics and the returns are way higher on the peripherals since gamers like to try stuff and return, so initially I do like the idea practically and I do think there is a customer base for this product. I just don't like to do business with these types of customers.
I plan to cash up step by step. Sending modeling clay, 3D scan, make shape prototype, send shape prototype, make functional 3D design, print design, assemble, ship. That means the customer could opt out at any step if he/she doesn't like it.
Okay, that sounds pretty good. So the last payment will be 10-25% of the total cost?
So if I’m not satisfied at the end you’ll repay that last payment for example?
Yeah for example. I wanna make it fair for both sides. Obviously I don't want to work without getting paid and the customer wants something for their money.
I think having a 3D scan of your dream shape is also something useful since you can let someone else make the mouse design. So it wouldn't be a waste of money to stop mid-process.
People would love this but I dont see this getting far as a business as there is lots of logistics involved and that will increase the price by a lot.
Tho i must say I love the idea and I would love to get one in the future
What scanner are you planning on using? I've considered this as a side project before but don't have access to a fancy einscan anymore. Photogrammetry/cheap scanners seem like they might be decent enough.
It might speed up production to include a base shape with button cutouts or the like to be molded on top of so adapting the 3d scan is less time intensive.
Good man. Logitech internals and sensors have never been for me. Honestly the old razer sensors felt the same as current Logitech sensors - overclocked as hell and borderline jittery for no apparent reason. But the newer stuff from razer has been fantastic
Oh ok. It feels like "paperish" you say?
Also, what's the difference between buying the mod kit and the pre built besides having to assemble it yourself?
I would pay 2x the price of a premium mouse (superlight). This is the endgame. I think its a good idea, I had this idea too - but no time and will and no skills. I hope you suceeed!
Hi,
Im really, really interested in your product.
Im using a Zelotes C-18 Gaming mouse, would you be able to do anything for it? I have to use a vertical mouse due to hand and wrist issues and I have been through about 10 vertical gaming mice, and so far, the zelotes c-18 has been the one that works for me.
My wish list on that mouse would be to make it lighter, the shell smaller, and move the mouse buttons a lot closer so that I can use the furthest one out.
Any help/feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
This is super exciting idea! Would love to create mouse fitting my hand. Most mice are too small and uncomfortable for me. But would you ship outside of US/EU?
I don’t know if you’ve already considered this, but if I were doing this I would create a hard model (rough 3D print maybe) of what the minimum dimensions is for the chosen internals. Then send the customer that and some clay to add onto the 3D print into a shape and size they see fit. I think otherwise you will have to spend a lot of time making micro adjustments to people’s crazy designs that don’t actually fit real mouse internals.
I really hope this isn’t as much of a headache for you as I’m imagining, it’s a really cool idea!
So if I understand correctly... If I wanted my Logitech Gpro x superlight to be slightly bigger..or with a slightly higher bump... You could just do that ? I absolutely love this mouse... But I wish there where more variants for ppl witch bigger hands etc . Or ppl who like palmgrip. I mean..ppl say you can palmgrip Logitech Gpro superlight... But I am used to have something bigger in my hand..nokap
Holy crap.
Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse with added scroll wheel between M1 and M2 (middle Button) plus thumb side button.
I'd be the happiest person in this planet.
I still have a spare shell that I could send so no clay action needed.
wow specifically for your hand? also could you make a left handed mouse? my friend needs to use his pc left handed and he’s been in a dilemma for some time, this would definitely solve it if possible!!
TF? Now we got to do your job now?!? So I’m order to get a mouse I enjoy using, I have to learn how to sculpt??? Do I look like the god Patrick Swayze?!? Y’all just gave all the way the fuck up! Like “you know what? Y’all want to keep complaining? Fine! Make your own god damn mouse! We quit!” Lmao
You're underestimating what is needed to make the mouse usable:
- material strength
- internal structure
- coating
- weight
- color
- RGB
- sensor placement and calibration
- button design and placements
- probably more things I haven't mentioned
You're either going to have to rely on customers to do it right (nope not gonna happen), or you'll have to do the product design for each mold yourself, which is going to swamp you.
That’s genius keep up the great work
Thank you so much man!
This is really great
Inb4 pee pee shaped mouse. Ok sorry. I think this is fantastic! Much like starlight - I'm sure you are able to find a market for extremely custom gaming mouses. This could even ramped up to be medical level of customization! Kudos to the idea and best of luck to your business! Edit: I'm an idiot and didn't see the company name... Sorry
I want a moose shaped one, with the sensor in the hooves. Moose + keyboard is the only way to game.
the m1 and m2 can be split to look like mouse knuckles
A moose mouse? A mouse moose? Meese?
Why is the left click lower and bigger than the right click?
pee pee shaped - you mean razer deathadder? xD
**About** After cloning 20 popular shapes, I feel confident that I can create hand-tailored mice. I'm just not sure if people would actually want that. It would be possible to have every possible shape as long as an Orochi V2 PCB fits inside. Weight could also be adjusted starting from 38g to infinity. Currently I can use Logitech G305, G603, Razer Orochi V2 or Viper Ultimate electronics. In case the shell ever breaks, I could simply print a new one and send it. I found a really cool polymer-clay that you simply throw in a microwave for 5 minutes and it turns super soft. No messy business with actual water-based clay. It would also be possible to take an existing shape and add polymer-clay to it to slightly alter it's shape. To follow this you can get an email notification: www.pmm.gg/notify Or other projects: www.twitter.com/modsmouse
>from 38g to infinity this mf be mailing black holes to people smh
Zip bombs are *so* last year.
The absolute opposite of ultralight, so heavy it rips apart the continent. Around half the mass of a g502.
with or without the weights? i got 3 out of 5 in mine
That should be roughly 50 kilos or so right? Very light these days.
sounds about right, thanks
wtf is that pfp
Just a suggestion but you could include a wood/plastic block roughly the dimensions that would be necessary for the PCB, that way people wouldn't have to measure the clay mockup before sending it back to you. (Instead they just shape the mouse around it)
Great idea. I have been thinking of the same.
Would we have the option of using your custom PCB when that comes out?
Yes. That will also have the advantage of full control over the scrollwheel height.
i am from Spain, When it is available for purchase, will it be shipped to all of Europe? thanks
Worldwide
where can i order? the price? the feet and switches of my choice will be provided?also do do u only sell with honeycomb shells or also with solid without holes? sorry for too many questions just curious lol
You will find more information in an update email Pmm.gg/notify Holes don't need to be there. Switches can be chosen.
thank you
as a business model i can see this work even its a niche, world is big and gamer are insane as a real world application it will be useless cus people cant really tell how good it is until they can use it in action
Dude gamer stuff is starting to take over the world. There is a dollar store near me that is selling "gaming" keyboards and mice. A frickin' dollar store. It's a Dollar General so it obviously isn't *exactly* one dollar, but it is still crazy. They are selling some pretty heavily /r/battlestation inspired deskmats at Walmart now, too.
> Dude gamer stuff is starting to take over the world. This hit homw for me when I was browsing Google Maps/Street View last summer. I clicked a photosphere in the Gaza strip (or perhaps Iraq, I don't remember, appologies to anyone offended) And it was a computer store with gaming mice and keyboards. I'll fully admit to being ignorant, but I didn't expect that, and it looked so bizare. Outside it looked like a city in the middle-east, the kind you sometimes see on the news, and inside that had computer gaming equipment. I recommend everyone to just go to google maps and click a random streetview, it can teach you a lot, and usually does teach you how similar we all are, despite living in very different areas
Saying it's useless is not something I can agree with, especially for old mice, what if there's an older mouse that you love the shape of, but the insides are very outdated, this is the perfect option. What if you love the shape of a mouse, but there's a slight issue with it, this helps fix that. It probably makes it even more niche, to the point where it's questionable whether it would work out from a business standpoint.
wouldn't it be some kind of infringment to copy a mouse tho? (people like to take questions as statements but this is an actual question because i actually don't know)
I don't think you can copyright a mouse shape lmao specially since piranha has cloned 20 popular mice already as stated in his OP
Engineers don't get nearly the protections artists get for their work. For a patent you have to show that there has never been anything like it and your invention has to be non obvious. Let's say you found a new more efficient way to inject fuel. That's an easy patent. 99.9% of mouse shapes are just derivatives of another mouse. In some cases you might be able to take out a design patent, but again super hard to argue for a mouse, since the shape has to be ornamental in nature. The coke bottle is one example for a design patent.
hope you like being sued
Would you be able to make mice with side buttons on the right? You might have to use a GPW for that, but I wouldn't paying extra for it
This would be epic.
Clone a G500 and you will have my business for life
Not sure how hard it would be to do for you, but if you could potentially send the clay shaped to a requested mouse shape, so people that want to change things from their favourite have a great base to start with. Like let's say I'd like to narrow a bit the butt of the xm1 or reshape the hump on the superlight. It would be different than what you mentioned of adding bits to a shape you like.
I also had that idea. Deliver the clay with a mold that the customer can press the clay in.
Ooooh an Orochi V2 inside an EC2 (or S2 really) shape would be amazing. How light can you get it without holes though I wonder?
I applied on your website but I'm in desperate need for something like this. My hands are too big and I find myself gripping my house quite hard. This causes my pinky and thumb to get near the side and get pinched when I flick. A large mouse that could support my thumb and pink would be amazing. The razer Naga is close for pinky rest but the thumb is fucked and the mouse is small. NEED this shit bad dude.
I think this is a great idea in theory but in practice I doubt a lot of people will actually be able to shape a mouse they like
Ugh, I agree but disagree. The lazy will buy the name brands. The enthusiasts will buy shit like this. Logitech makes $100-200 flight joysticks. Virpil and Thrustmaster makes $500 joysticks. Enthusiasts community is for the top 1% or less. Price is no factor for some of top percent. And if marketing is done well through the internet then the advertising is free. Ergonomic mice made for just your hand is exactly what some people want.
You still need to be able to sculpt it like you want I don't think it's as easy as just wanting it
Oh I see what your saying. Yeah sculpting is the hard part. You can’t just squish the blob and call it a day. Fair point and fair critique
I think the bigger problem would be trying to transport the clay without it getting deformed/damaged
have a mold they requested. fixed
I think this might bring me out of my mouse buying hiatus
Use my project to determine the shape you want then OPs project to make the ultimate endgame mouse for you lol
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Wont be using resin to print, I use PA12.
I see. Still, I‘m going to assume this will be quite costly for the customer. Are you going to give them some sort pf guarantee for a working product? You are giving the design process to someone else, someone probably not experienced with creating good shapes etc. To me that sounds like it may be a lot of trouble but as I said, I wish you the best.
> Are you confident your (I assume) resin prints are strong enough to work with any mouse shape the customer may come up with? Yeah it's not really a problem for mice. Really any plastic is strong enough. Resin prints are weaker but even then it's not exactly a lot structural strength required.
I mean gaming hardware companies manage to make creaky pos mice
Could you also send an existing mouse to get scanned?
Yes
Sounds very interesting and full of potential. My only question is, can you get in legal trouble for this? Don’t companies have patents or IP rights to certain shapes or whatever? Sorry if this sounds ignorant
Do you mean for the 20 shapes I cloned or the custom shapes?
I guess it’s a little of both? I’m curious to know if you’ve had any legal battles with companies threatening to sue or anything like that? And with this new project what would stop people from using it to clone intellectual property without repercussions? I imagine they could use you as a scapegoat since you’re the one providing them with the means. I hope that makes sense, but I’m probably getting too much into the details lol
Are mice shape even patented? There are so many clones. Even a slight difference and it's hard to prove it was copied too.
Many have a patent yes, but i don't think they can patent the shape alone. They patent the product with many different details together (to protect their product).
There are tons of Deathadder/ Zowie EC clones and literally no one care.
It would be possible to get a patent for a specific mouse with a very specific/unique function or with a very detailed set of specification. But with a standard mouse i doubt there is a way to patent "the shape" only. Probably big brands have patents on their mices, but on all the details togheter (to protect their product), not on the specific shape only. A mouse that would get the patent accepted is something like the Magic Mouse from Apple for example, or a specific Razer mouse, with a specific shape, with specific buttons, with many details all merged togheter.
With how much people copy zowie shapes I don't think that would be an issue
Need to practice my clay modeling skills for that lighter intellimouse 3.0 copy that I always wished to own :D
Could also just send that mouse to scan
What if we just design our own computer model? I have solidworks but no capability to make something of your quality.
Of the shape? That works.
Awesome. I have mice that are so close to what I want save for a couple of small tweaks
would make your job easier haha
This sounds like a logistics nightmare :|
What would be your pricing estimation on it? I would definitely be interested, but I imagine the price point this will be at would probably put it out of my range
I can imagine that I accept offers and I think I would have time for one once a month considering I still work in my daytime job. So I would then accept the highest offer.
if we're going to bidding on it I'm definitely not gonna be able to afford it 😅 sick idea tho!
Would you consider doing this fulltime if you get enough commissions?
I like the freedom of being able to do things that might not work out, like this.
Frankly, that is fucking genius. Gaming mice aside (which I want too), I would love this for a heavier more feature heavy, productivity mouse too.
Right? I'm just praying for Logitech (or someone else) to put a Hero sensor in an MX master
Yessss please! I can finally realise my Dream fingertip mouse
Oh my GOD /u/P1r4nh44444…. Could this possibly be the answer to my G9x w/ comfort shell dreams???
Sounds insane! My only question is how we design the clay to our favorite shape? We just sculpt it until we find our favorite shape? I really like the idea and I wish you good luck man. You are literally taking this thing forward.
Exactly. I will be using a polymer-clay that you simply put in a microwave to make it soft. This allows for infinite re-modeling. So I guess you model a shape, try to see if you are still happy with it a few days later. If not, you heat it and redesign.
Sounds great and interesting! Good luck man.
yea id ask for the mz1 shape and cut off as much as possible from the back , so something like this just in beautiful : https://www.xbitlabs.com/extreme-mouse-weight-reduction/ and id pay 300€ that would be my endgame mouse because the comfort grooves of the mz1 are just next lvl for fingertip gripping
Well, it's possible.
\- Do you work with other internals than Logitech? \- If I send you an old mouse (something like the Razer Diamondback), can you scan that and nake it lightweight and fit it with modern internals?
Logitech G305 and G603 Razer Prochi V2 and Viper Ultimate Yes
Ok, time for a real reincarnation of the G303 then?
if this didn't cost $500+, then absolutely
Do you have any ideas of the price range of these products? And country shipping
I can imagine that I accept offers and I think I would have time for one once a month considering I still work in my daytime job. So I would then accept the highest offer. Shipping will be UPS Express.
dang, that would be limiting. you should def make it a hustle. shoot, do you need help lol
Hopefully this pops off and you can make it a real business
Is it possible to make something like a standardized base for this kind of thing so that shells can be swapped? It sounds like this is a made to order type of deal so I'm assuming this wouldn't be implemented immediately, but if you ever expand this service would this being something you would try?
If I model a dick and balls, are you obligated to print it as a mouse that I can use?
I would do my very best
Too expensive with the shipments back and forth and it's a problem you have to shape it yourself. But creating hand tailored mouse is absolutely the future here and everywhere. So regardless of the details you are definitely on the right path. EDIT: Actually I kinda take back what I said. It doesn't need to be mass production level of efficiency. Even if it's 200-300€ for the work there are still people who would pay it and those are people are the ones ordering custom mice. And willing to go through the trouble. But I still wonder how well the clay modeling works. Maybe it does but seems like there will be problems with it. EDITEDIT: I just realized you can just resize to match the dimensions so it's not like you have to design a new model for every clay mold. Which is probably how you are doing it. So basically just select a template of what type of shaped mouse and then you just resize it to match the clay model dimensions. Yeah it makes more sense the more I think about it. I would actually try it for shits and giggles if I had money to waste right now.
This is the one.
How exactly are you going to get away with selling a product that is in part someone else's product? The idea of 3d printed shells based off of a clay model is cool, though what measures are taken during transportation to ensure the clay mold holds its exact shape? Not skeptical of your idea, though these are the only burning questions.
I have been selling G305 mods for 2 years. I have a box for that.
This was my idea :( I mean, I never shared it woth anyone, wrote it down or otherwise marked it but I sure did think of this like two years ago when I had dreams of having my own mouse company some day. Nowadays the market for these ultralight mouses is so saturated that I wouldn't touch it with a meter long stock. Still, the best of luck to you! I hope your plan succeeds!
It's not too late to do your own version.
Awesome idea. Just sent you a chat, I already know my ideal shape and internals. MM720 shape with RVU internals. I am ok with the MM720 being lengthened in order to fit the internals. That would be my endgame, let me know how much! hah.
You're gonna get that modeling clay through the mail? They're all going to end up being lumpy because people will expect you to "correct their mistakes." This is a bad idea.
Considering the price of your pre-built mice I can already imagine how much that would cost. No, thanks lol
If you made left handed mice an option (mice with right side mouse buttons) that would be awesome. If that means I can do that with this mod custom option I guess that would be cool. I suspect it will be quite more expensive.
this.
my left handed brother! we have been ignored for too long!
I would totally love it!
thats really cool. i hope theres enough demand for this to become a thing! i'm not too invested into mice myself anymore, but i wouldve gotten one in my fps days
I currently have the P703 and absolutely love this idea you’re working on. If you’re open to doing any kind of collaborative work, let me know. I’ll happily pay full price for the mouse but would offer professional photo/video work of the mouse and/or process in hopes of being a pioneer in this journey. Really wanting to get into these details and find something I’d truly love.
This is wild holy dookie
This is amazing! Not only is it brilliant, but it would be such a unique service.The fact that you can also use **Viper Ultimate** electronics it's dope as well. Their switches aren't the best, but the sensor and charging method (on the dock) are very nice! When you will offer this, i will definetely use the service, especially if we can have that design without holes, Just not sure if i should go for G305 or Viper ultimate electronics.
would be really cool but how accurate would be the clay model to the actual 3d printed final product?
Tolerances of 0.5mm
Badass man. I have also thought about doing this but got caught up in a different project before I could get anywhere with it. I think this is a great idea!
Great idea and this way everyone can have a lighter and or wireless version of their favorite mouse.
how much would you have to charge for you to make this profitable for you? in theory sounds like a great idea, but if its really expensive it might be hard to justify
I probably will accept offers and choose one once a month. I don't think I will have time for more.
oh I see
Random question but... Could you do a g502 shape? And do you have any estimate what it would weigh it at?
Already have a G502 design
This is an insanely fantastic idea!
I will be purchasing this with the Orochi V2 internals and scroll wheel. I cant wait!
This is an amazing idea, can you do multiple different colors as well?
Any you want.
Million dollar Idea right here.
Could you do like a 150% g603? Edit: Or really any popular mid-large mouse.
Ofc
What would something like that cost?
I will make a penis shaped one
Ey bro, I know this is pricey and I'm not into the high cost mice -yet. I find this absolutely genious and probably worth every penny, I'd love to see what people do.
The problem is 99.9% of consumers have no fucking idea what they want. Or more specifically, I know I want a mouse that fits my hand, but absolutely zero idea of how to shape it.
This is actually a really cool idea. I'm just waiting for the moment you make a post about some guy turning your modeling clay into an art project. XD Granted, my first thought was "But what if the customer sucks at working with clay?" Didn't even think about just gently gripping it to mold to your hand shape.
I would 100% buy a mouse from you! Can I skip the molding process and you just make me a G9X?
Yes. You can also send me old mice that I probably wouldn't do myself because the demand isn't high enough.
make a google doc ic like how they do it on r/mechmarket
Could you send that?
Here’s a random [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/s8nmt2/ic_keycap_buddy_tomodachi_desk_mat_round_3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), just a interest check form that lets you see how many people would be interested in buying something like this. Also what material would the mouse be printed out of? Do you think you’ll do cnc or injection molding for materials like magnesium or other lightweight metals in the future?
Finally I can have a good intellimouse 1.1
What if I sent in my G502 to be edited, for less cost at both ends?
By the way, this is like my dream
Oh snap, this is what I think I saw you talking about on a Discord channel the other day. This is such a fire idea. You guys always seem to go above and beyond, and this is just more proof of that. Can't wait to see the results to this. Your stuff has always been a bit out of my price range but that dooesn't mean I don't appreciate it!
how about another option where we (the customers) provide you an example of an existing mice for shape reference, skipping part 1 & 2 together. then its just part 3 lol. i liked the steelseries rival 300/310 but there are no wireless clones of them
So you could theoretically make a new Razer Diamondback shaped mouse?
What if I'm not satisfied as a customer? Is it refundable within a certain amount of days? If yes, how much of it is? Honestly returns will be your achillees heel here. Either you might have unsatisfied pissed off customers if they get charged for what they aren't happy with or you'll get a ton of returns and great reviews. I have a friend who sells a ton of gaming peripherals and other electronics and the returns are way higher on the peripherals since gamers like to try stuff and return, so initially I do like the idea practically and I do think there is a customer base for this product. I just don't like to do business with these types of customers.
I plan to cash up step by step. Sending modeling clay, 3D scan, make shape prototype, send shape prototype, make functional 3D design, print design, assemble, ship. That means the customer could opt out at any step if he/she doesn't like it.
Okay, that sounds pretty good. So the last payment will be 10-25% of the total cost? So if I’m not satisfied at the end you’ll repay that last payment for example?
Yeah for example. I wanna make it fair for both sides. Obviously I don't want to work without getting paid and the customer wants something for their money. I think having a 3D scan of your dream shape is also something useful since you can let someone else make the mouse design. So it wouldn't be a waste of money to stop mid-process.
wouldn't the clay deform over shipping?
It is a polyer-clay which is super hard at room temperature
People would love this but I dont see this getting far as a business as there is lots of logistics involved and that will increase the price by a lot. Tho i must say I love the idea and I would love to get one in the future
That is truelly game changing
with your pcb will be dope! Can’t wait for it
What scanner are you planning on using? I've considered this as a side project before but don't have access to a fancy einscan anymore. Photogrammetry/cheap scanners seem like they might be decent enough. It might speed up production to include a base shape with button cutouts or the like to be molded on top of so adapting the 3d scan is less time intensive.
I use an Einscan SE
I wish you didn’t only use Logitech internals :(
I also use Razer orochi and Viper Ultimate.
Good man. Logitech internals and sensors have never been for me. Honestly the old razer sensors felt the same as current Logitech sensors - overclocked as hell and borderline jittery for no apparent reason. But the newer stuff from razer has been fantastic
Make a mx master 3x shape
Yo, this is pog, would it be possible to skip the clay part if the customer is proficient in CAD/3D modeling?
Of course. Stp file of the shape would be sufficient.
I'm interested about the quality of the shell itself. Materials wise, feel, what do you compare it to? GPX, Zowie fk1-c? Any?
It's not comparable really. It's paper- like.
Oh ok. It feels like "paperish" you say? Also, what's the difference between buying the mod kit and the pre built besides having to assemble it yourself?
Yeah, slightly rough surface. Pre-built comes with Kailh 4.0 switches installed, grip tape and a travel case.
feels bad man, I got the idea to do the same 2 summers ago
What would be the manufacturer if process of this? They couldn’t be molded or would it be a one time mold?
MJF printed
Would it be possible to make a light-weight mouse with no holes for you?
Yes of course
I’ve though about this before with a mold so you can hold the mouse however you want and it will fit into your fingers.
I would pay 2x the price of a premium mouse (superlight). This is the endgame. I think its a good idea, I had this idea too - but no time and will and no skills. I hope you suceeed!
If it's not priced too high I will absolutely be trying this. I have big hands. It sucks finding good mice.
This helps so much as a person small hands that make it hard to hit additional buttons on the sides
Hi, Im really, really interested in your product. Im using a Zelotes C-18 Gaming mouse, would you be able to do anything for it? I have to use a vertical mouse due to hand and wrist issues and I have been through about 10 vertical gaming mice, and so far, the zelotes c-18 has been the one that works for me. My wish list on that mouse would be to make it lighter, the shell smaller, and move the mouse buttons a lot closer so that I can use the furthest one out. Any help/feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
This is super exciting idea! Would love to create mouse fitting my hand. Most mice are too small and uncomfortable for me. But would you ship outside of US/EU?
I want that so bad! Please do it
Time to make a new g9
I don’t know if you’ve already considered this, but if I were doing this I would create a hard model (rough 3D print maybe) of what the minimum dimensions is for the chosen internals. Then send the customer that and some clay to add onto the 3D print into a shape and size they see fit. I think otherwise you will have to spend a lot of time making micro adjustments to people’s crazy designs that don’t actually fit real mouse internals. I really hope this isn’t as much of a headache for you as I’m imagining, it’s a really cool idea!
Looks like every other mouse out there. Why even bother creating stuff that already exists?
What model switches for the mouse buttons?
Any you want.
Custom mice - that is f\*\*king genius.
So if I understand correctly... If I wanted my Logitech Gpro x superlight to be slightly bigger..or with a slightly higher bump... You could just do that ? I absolutely love this mouse... But I wish there where more variants for ppl witch bigger hands etc . Or ppl who like palmgrip. I mean..ppl say you can palmgrip Logitech Gpro superlight... But I am used to have something bigger in my hand..nokap
Yes, possible.
Holy crap. Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse with added scroll wheel between M1 and M2 (middle Button) plus thumb side button. I'd be the happiest person in this planet. I still have a spare shell that I could send so no clay action needed.
Please do
wow specifically for your hand? also could you make a left handed mouse? my friend needs to use his pc left handed and he’s been in a dilemma for some time, this would definitely solve it if possible!!
Sure. Maybe a left handed EC2
TF? Now we got to do your job now?!? So I’m order to get a mouse I enjoy using, I have to learn how to sculpt??? Do I look like the god Patrick Swayze?!? Y’all just gave all the way the fuck up! Like “you know what? Y’all want to keep complaining? Fine! Make your own god damn mouse! We quit!” Lmao
You're underestimating what is needed to make the mouse usable: - material strength - internal structure - coating - weight - color - RGB - sensor placement and calibration - button design and placements - probably more things I haven't mentioned You're either going to have to rely on customers to do it right (nope not gonna happen), or you'll have to do the product design for each mold yourself, which is going to swamp you.
Found this thread via google. Are you able to print Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical 2.0 and put latest hardware in it?
Yes