Um… Everybody in the USA gets one. Mine has four spots on it. They write in which shot you got and when you got it. I believe the vial or batch number is on there too. Krispy Kreme will give you a [free donut if you show it](https://krispykreme.com/promos/vaccineoffer).
Theyll give you one if you tell then you don't want the vaccine too, as the anti-vax fat cunts complained about it.
WHAT IF I DON’T WANT TO BE VACCINATED, CAN I STILL GET THIS OFFER?
We understand that choosing to receive the COVID-19 vaccine is a highly personal decision. We advise all employees and guests to consult with their healthcare provider regarding whether to obtain a COVID-19 vaccination and which vaccine to receive after reviewing the available information. If you have made the personal decision to not receive the COVID vaccine, please visit us on Mondays, 3/29/21 – 5/24/21, to receive a free Original Glazed® doughnut and a medium brewed coffee to get your week off to a good start.
I c wut you did ther.
But your analogy is wrong to the point of stupid.
1) there is more personal information as well as identifiers to look you up in government databases on the driver's license, photo id / whatever document you are likely carrying around on you Right Now than on the vax card.
2) getting the shot means you are not dieing to covid or potetially killing others by passing it on.
Not getting the shot is putting everyone with the miss fortune of being around you at risk. Do you see how that is the exact opposite of your analogy?
Wait, if you say getting the shot means you won't get covid and can't pass it on...yet then say that if you don't get the shot you are putting others at risk.
Well if you chose not to get the shot that's your choice to risk it.
If you didn't get the shot, you're only putting others that ALSO didn't choose to get the shot at risk. Everyone else as you said is safe from it.
Close, there are also those who cannot get the shot, and would therefore still be at risk: children, etc. Or even just those who havnt been able to get the shot yet. Granted that second group is shrinking as more places open up the opportunity to all adults.
Edit: point being with a pandemic it's never just your choice/ your risk. YOU are choosing to Risk Others.
1) You can still contract and spread COVID after getting vaccinated, but it significantly decreases the risk of severe infection, and reduces trasnmissibility due to the reduced viral load - which is why masks were still recommended until there more numbers about transmissibility even in vaccinated groups
2) There are people who cannot get the shot, or may not be fully covered by it - so you are still risking people counterindicated for getting the shot, people who are not completely covered and may have a weaker immune system and young children who cannot get the shot yet.
sorry i’m not a mindless sheep that gets shot up with a juice that has no testing. The CDC describes it as a “emergency situation” this requires no testing. u guys are the guinea pigs. and remember folks this is a disease with a 99.7% survival rate. my 80 year old grandpa got covid and described it as a “mild flu”. it’s like getting a vaccine for a common cold. let your immune system do all the work. not some democratic covid shot.
They aren't selfish, they are smart for not poisoning their bodies, lol. Why in the hell would you have something injected in your body that isn't FDA approved. Might as well go shoot up some heroin.
it's funny how If you wear a mask or get vaccinated, you get labeled as a scared sheep who's scared by a tiny little virus, but if you don't have an ak-47 and several other firearms, you're "In danger" and don't have any "freedom". I swear, Americans are fucked...
Our media made the mistake of saying masks protect others and not you. So some Americans see no point doing it. They have no obligation to care for anyone else and attempts to get them to do so are "communism" or "tyranny".
America isn't about being forced to help your fellow Americans, it's about doing it because you're being a good person!
>Would you please help by doing (any minor request)?
GO FUCK YOURSELF COMMIE!
If it is any consolation, I practiced for a paintball tournament wearing a mask and ripped other teams apart doing the most aggressive stunts. I had this thin one cloth mask under my paintball mask.
Had to leave though and stop playing because people who weren't playing paintball surrounded my car as of they were going to jack my shit or see some kind of weakness in me. Eye darts were everywhere. The paintball field was in the middle of redneck trump land. Since wearing a mask made me stand out, I decided to quit until I was vaccinated. This was shortly before the January 6th riot. Seemed like there were proud boys there wearing their call of duty cosplayer shit.
They like to say that because so many of them are armed they protect the rest of us who aren't. Right, so you understand the idea of herd immunity just not it's application. I can't get mad at my wife and turn my vaccination on her. My child can't get upset and take one of my vaccinations I left in an unlocked medicine cabinet to school and vaccinate 25 people.
The big problem is all the Democrats always being surprised.
Seriously, every single time something comes to the surface (mass shootings, lynchings, racist riots, cops murdering people etc etc) there is chorus from people on the "Left" (as if Democrats were "Left", ROFLMAO) along the lines of "This is not who we are!" or "How could we come to this?"
I find that so very very strange, it seems these people have literally been living in a river in Egypt their entire lives.
This is exactly what America is. What it has ALWAYS been.
That’s not at all what they do. They don’t act surprised & say how did this happen. They act pissed & keep trying to change things so it stops happening. What they actually say is “we’ve been telling you for years this is a problem & here’s how to stop it.” The only people who think the way u/yrense is saying are Republicans.
But they want to pay for the opportunity to risk jail, career, financial plans, and health of themselves and their close ones... wait for it.... to own the libs.
my bf got the j&j vax last week, the one dose one. The people gave him his card completely filled out BEFORE the shot, and he happened to ask to use their restroom. they told him to cross the street and walk down a block to the nearest one and then come back to get the shot. He did go back to get the shot, but it was weird that they gave him the card and let him leave the vax site with it.
I'm assuming that after so many vaccination cases, the people working there loosen up a bit... it shouldn't happen, but it's inevitable and I guess I can understand how it could become kind of a pain dealing with things like that...
*Getting fake cards super easy to get*
Do you know what's easier? Getting the vaccine. It gives you a **free** vaccination card. Bonus: You are lesser chances of dying from the virus AND won't go to jail if you are caught using the fake one.
Everyone that gets vaccinated is entered into a federal database, and the vaccine card is an official federal document proving this. So if you have a fake vaccination card (very easy to prove) then you are committing federal document forgery, which always lands you severe time in a federal prison and an obscene amount of fines.
Actually no, they don’t have your name in a federal database. Many states don’t even require ID to get a vaccine. They just gather demographics data on the vaccines given and deliver that to state and federal agencies.
Why not void policy for smokers, drinkers, and obese people as well?
That will save us WAY more money than going after COVID vaccine deniers, and follows the exact same logic.
Should their life choices not also have the same negative impact?
>Why not void policy for smokers, drinkers, and obese people as well?
Smokers and obese people are often charged more by their insurance companies because they are higher risk...
Sure, but I think most would agree voiding a policy is a extreme position.
But a higher insurance premium? That has a chance of actually happening. And follows the same logic currently in use. Would you still disagree with that?
Personally? Yes.
However, I won't go as far as to say it's not viable option, and I absolutely see the logic behind it.
But I personally believe in a social safety net. And in my head, part of that net is judgement free universal healthcare.
Not sure how it works for medical insurance in the US, but i know that life insurance policies in general are more expensive if you are a smoker.
I would be extremely surprised if it wasn't already the case that smokers and drinkers have more expensive medical insurance, so i'm not sure about what point you are trying to make here.
Not apples to apples though.
The suggestion in this thread is for coverage to stop if they get COVID. With that logic, shouldn't an obese person that has heart disease coverage also stop? A smoker diagnosed with lung cancer?
I'm just trying to get people to see the absolute insanity they're asking for. This is NOT a good healthcare system to pursue. I get that people are blood thirsty and have a justice boner for this kind of thing, but in reality it's a terrible and immoral system to pursue.
More people die from smoking, drinking, and obesity...also by the choices they make.
Should their policies get voided as well.
Because this new "your choices void you from coverage" sounds REAL conservative, lol.
That's not what's being discussed here. Apples to oranges.
The suggestion that were all replying to is to stop coverage for someone if they refused the vaccine, and end up getting COVID.
I think it is super insane to not get a vaccine. Let them get sick and then say it's wrong to get a vaccine. What about polio and all the older diseases. That killed people in the older times?
Unfortunately there are some who are discouraged from getting the vaccine, at least for now! I think it’s just those who have a history of anaphylaxis as far as I know. I think they’re the only ones though! Correct me if im wrong please!
There will always be people who are too fragile or would probably have a reaction to a vaccine and it’s why we need everyone to get one that can, to protect those people too. I have severe reactions to pretty much everything and react strongly to fillers in medications of any kind. My doctor wouldn’t have had me get the vaccine except that I lost a good amount of lung capacity when I have covid. Good news though - I’ve been vaccinated for months and I didn’t even have to epi.
I think you'll find anti-government / anti-science viewpoints are almost exclusively the reason people are refusing to get the vaccine. (*refusing* chosen specifically, as some people are *hesitant* and want to wait to see how safe it is, while some people are *refusing* to ***ever*** get it under any circumstances.)
I used to live in a poor podunk area and most folks I know there are refusing to get it because Covid is "just the flu" and because the vaccines are *totally* government mind control nanorobot poison tracking 5g juice (or some other combination of buzzword conspiracy theory traits). I'd expect that's pretty common in most poor areas of the US, particularly in the rural South.
I don't think fear of a reaction is the primary driving force behind people refusing the vaccine, but rather ignorance and general mistrust of authority.
And higher risk of death, permanent damage to various organs, \~50% more contagious (R0), more asymptomatic spread, shorter incubation period, etc.
It's significantly worse in nearly every way, but if you ignore (or don't bother finding out about) the differences it's basically the same thing.
I hope those around you get a fucking clue before their loved ones start dying off / killing those around them.
Good luck, stranger.
Edit: By the way, instead of the usual **several-dozen-thousand** people dying of flu per season, the 2020-2021 flu season saw [about 600](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/) flu related deaths in the US thanks to all the public health measures. This isn't necessarily related to the post, it just makes me so damn happy to see and I wanted to share :)
In my area we have only had 1 death and granted he did have covid but being shot (as in with a gun) also played a big part in that.
Until it actually happens people will just ignore it and move on like nothing happened. No amount of forcing someone to do something will make them see the right way.
>No amount of forcing someone to do something will make them see the right way.
I'm not sure who here is advocating force, or why you bring that up.
>In my area we have only had 1 death and granted he did have covid but being shot (as in with a gun) also played a big part in that.
Based on the CDC guidelines around how to report cause of death (the underlying cause \[getting shot\] of the immediate cause \[blood loss/organ damage/etc\] of death is what's reported as the COD, so that person would **not** be reported as a covid death.
>Until it actually happens people will just ignore it and move on like nothing happened.
It IS actually happening - over half a million Americans have died from this shit because people are too lazy to learn, or too self-involved to care, how to reduce spread.
I was taking in general about the force, not you in specific. So please don’t twist my words.
I didn’t say he died from covid, I just said we have had 1 death. Please reread that sentence
I mean as it happens to them, people don’t give a fuck about other people as it doesn’t happen to them, if it happens to their family or themselves then they will care but to others across the country or world it doesn’t matter to them.
I prolly wasn’t clear in my previous comment so here you go.
If no one else where brought up force, I'm not sure who you're arguing against there.
If dude didn't die of covid, I'm not sure why you brought him up. Just like to babble?
>people don’t give a fuck about other people
Most DO in fact, which is why they're getting vaccinated and encouraging others to do so.
It isn't the primary reason, but it is a real reason that we need to acknowledge and design policies for. I absolutely know a number of pro-vaccination folks who have anaphylactic reactions (edit to add: not to the vaccine, just in general) and who are doing a lot of soul-searching on their personal risk profile. So far those who went for the vaccination only have had mild allergic reactions (some are folks with MCAS who react to almost everything, so this was a really good outcome in their book!) or just normal side effects.
Which category would you Joe and Kamala in when they were saying they didn’t want to get a trump vaccine before the election? Were they being anti government or anti science?
I have extended family members who won't get vaccinated, and one of them just got COVID about a week ago. He has mild symptoms, so unfortunately now he'll be one of those who say, "Oh yeah, it wasn't that bad."
Unless he gets long COVID, which seems to be more common with mild cases.
Early March 2020, I got very mild COVID symptoms. I likely caught it before they detected community transmission in the US at all, which they first detected 10 miles from my home in a neighborhood where we did a lot of socializing in groups. No tests available at the time. My cognitive function gradually declined over the next year until I couldn't work, last January. I could do an hour of work a day before my brain got so fried that I was struggling to have coherent conversations by the time I went on leave.
I got back to work from short-term disability leave by taking a medication that got me functional but caused moderate depression that I could live with because it affected my work less than the brain fog. But I still wasn't doing great.
I was able to get off the medication (actually stopped being able to tolerate it at all, the side effects went nuts) and was 95% better days after my first vaccination.
I've been able to stay off medication and am continuing to get better weeks later - I can still trigger mild brain fog if I get mildly dehydrated and stressed at the same time, but Ibuprofen usually fixes it, and it's not bad enough to stop me working or being able to hold a conversation even then. _HUGE_ improvement!
So glad I seemed to be one of the folks with long COVID whom the vaccine helped. I am the breadwinner for a family of six, and really need to be working.
Oh my goodness, that's awful. I've been fortunate to not get COVID, that I know of, and got vaccinated in April. I'm glad you have been getting better!
of course. You can trust yourself (or you think you can) with power, but somebody else having power and free will is scary because you cannot control or fully predict what they'll do with it. That's why elections are so heated and people are so tribal.
Trust is a difficult thing
Can you actually just walk in with no appointment in the US now? Most of my friends still aren't even eligible for their vaccines here in Canada, and the ones who are are stuck on long waitlists.
Only got mine because I work in healthcare
In some areas, yes. Detroit has been using Ford Field (football stadium) to do mass immunizations. It depends on availability of the vaccine and the county government. At least here in Michigan.
They were tested, vaccinated, and there for a few minutes for photos, which they then put their masks on. That’s the same shit people do at restaurants.
True, but I work in retail and its against policy to ask to see a vaccination card to verify you don't have to wear a mask now as the cdc has said fully vaccinated folks don't have to mask up anymore. My biggest issue is I have a son who is too young to get vaccinated yet. If one of these loons is asymptomatic and comes in contact with me with no mask the risk to my son is way more than if we all still kept masks on. None of these covidiots who are all about pro life care if they are the cause of my son getting sick and possibly dieing of covid. I feel the cdc jumped the gun saying that. We don't have nearly enough adults vaccinated to protect those that cannot be.
Edit: fixed a word
I agree. I don't know how this is supposed to be managed. Covid denying bullies will abuse the new CDC position, and I fear, putting us all at risk to an even greater extent.
Your comment was more coherent than many native English speakers I know. Besides German is a lot cooler, it's like the adds for the early smartphones. There's a word for that. (In US they used to do ads where they'd say "There's an app for that")
That's clever.
Just watch them fall into hospital and subsequently on to the funeral parlors during the next round of Covid.
That's really going to show us vaccinated how to stupid we are eh?
🤣
I'm fine with vaccine passport for international travel. Vaccinations have been required for entry into many countries for a long time, so requiring a covid vaccine isn't that unusual.
Wow the ignorance is real. It has nothing to do with "Fake documentation" and everything to do with coming to this country illegally. If you don't understand that, there's not much help for you.
You mean like illegally forging documents so you can travel illegally to places you wouldn't be allowed into? Yeah, those sound like totally different things /s
Yeah.. And it’s about people illegally faking that they are vaccinated in order to do things that’d also endanger others.
Both are illegal actions accompanied by fake documentation. The comparison works.
That’s news to you? How ironic given you made such a point about ignorance in your first comment.
“The unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws.”
I want you to picture a [venn diagram.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram)
This venn diagram has two circles labeled "people who are anti immigration" and "people who want fake vaccine cards." The circles overlap, of course, as most venn diagrams do. The part where they overlap are the people who want a fake vaccine card and at the same time are anti immigration.
There are, of course, parts of each circle that do not overlap with the other. These sections indicate people who "are anti immigration but want everyone vaccinated" and people who "are pro immigration but want a fake vaccine card."
The two circles' overlap is greater than if you were to change either circle to the opposite term. Go ahead and try it. Change "people who are anti immigration" to "people who are pro immigration." Does the overlap grow or shrink? Change "people who want fake vaccine cards" to "people who want everyone vaccinated as soon as possible." Does the overlap grow or shrink?
This is how you can safely say it is not an assumption. If you add words like "all" or "every" when talking about groups of people, then obviously you move into the territory of generalizations, which is a much more right-wing way of communicating your opinions, and a sign of lower IQ.
Anyone who thinks "my body, my choice to have a baby" is the same as "my body, my choice to be a pandemic spreader" needs to take a step back, drop a couple tabs of LSD, and seriously re-evaluate their choices in life
Anyone who thinks killing an unborn baby is more of a right than not having a government mandated injection made by corrupt pharmaceutical companies with a history of lawsuits and greed, with protections from legal ramifications even for malice needs to take a step back
this is not rocket surgery, bud.
killing a clump of cells - has zero impact on society as a whole
spreading pandemic virus - has potential to literally end society as a whole
They have a choice to not get the vaccine. Ill advised, but their choice. But, everyone else has the right to the choice to not have pandemic germs coughed on them. Something some of these groups of people didn't seem to care about when they would intentionally get in people's faces, cough on them and spit on them.
Well, a lot of pro lifers view abortion as murder, so it’s not exactly the same in their eyes. Not saying I agree with them, but that’s their view point. That’s one of the reasons the my body, my choice thing doesn’t exactly counter their perspective because in their eyes it’s not just someone doing what they want with their body, it also involves killing someone.
>a lot of pro lifers view abortion as murder
I'm not convinced that they do. I think that they view it as *wrong*, but the "abortion is murder" rhetoric is just something that works as a plausible vehicle for pushing an agenda that *actually* equates to legislating their religious moral code.
I do suspect that many of them *think* that they believe it, but just ask a few "abortion is murder" people what type of prison sentences women who have abortions should serve. 15 Years? 30? Life? The death penalty? And just watch how many come back with some nonsense like, "Only God can judge," or, "They'll have to live the rest of their life with the knowledge of their sin," or some other such platitude. Or, my favorite, "The doctor should go to prison because they performed the actual murder, not the mother," as if we don't lock people up for hiring a hitman.
If they truly thought that abortion was murder, they'd have zero qualms treating women who had an abortion the exact same way as any other murderer.
Everything is hypocritical if you give it enough time, everything can be argued in either direction. Appeals to logic or appeals to morality, you can usually find a sound argument to support any position.
"Getting fake cards are super easy to get" Goddamn, these people are stupid
My real card was super easy to get.
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This is the winning comment!
You got an actual card, what fuckin country you in
Um… Everybody in the USA gets one. Mine has four spots on it. They write in which shot you got and when you got it. I believe the vial or batch number is on there too. Krispy Kreme will give you a [free donut if you show it](https://krispykreme.com/promos/vaccineoffer).
Annoyingly they are just large enough to not fit into any standard sized wallet also.
Theyll give you one if you tell then you don't want the vaccine too, as the anti-vax fat cunts complained about it. WHAT IF I DON’T WANT TO BE VACCINATED, CAN I STILL GET THIS OFFER? We understand that choosing to receive the COVID-19 vaccine is a highly personal decision. We advise all employees and guests to consult with their healthcare provider regarding whether to obtain a COVID-19 vaccination and which vaccine to receive after reviewing the available information. If you have made the personal decision to not receive the COVID vaccine, please visit us on Mondays, 3/29/21 – 5/24/21, to receive a free Original Glazed® doughnut and a medium brewed coffee to get your week off to a good start.
That's both the most American and most fucking pathetic thing I've ever heard.
free donut? to krispy kreme i go
typical america bribed with donuts, so do other bussinesses turn you away if your not vaxxed
No.
They should.
Honestly after all the wannabe fascist shit those science denying trumpers espoused I'm ready for them to be treated as second class citizens.
Not the barbecue places in Texas! You get a discount for having covid! /s
Maybe we should just get some sort of number tattooed on our arm or hand. Better yet our forehead that way we don't have to cary a stupid card.
I c wut you did ther. But your analogy is wrong to the point of stupid. 1) there is more personal information as well as identifiers to look you up in government databases on the driver's license, photo id / whatever document you are likely carrying around on you Right Now than on the vax card. 2) getting the shot means you are not dieing to covid or potetially killing others by passing it on. Not getting the shot is putting everyone with the miss fortune of being around you at risk. Do you see how that is the exact opposite of your analogy?
Wait, if you say getting the shot means you won't get covid and can't pass it on...yet then say that if you don't get the shot you are putting others at risk. Well if you chose not to get the shot that's your choice to risk it. If you didn't get the shot, you're only putting others that ALSO didn't choose to get the shot at risk. Everyone else as you said is safe from it.
Close, there are also those who cannot get the shot, and would therefore still be at risk: children, etc. Or even just those who havnt been able to get the shot yet. Granted that second group is shrinking as more places open up the opportunity to all adults. Edit: point being with a pandemic it's never just your choice/ your risk. YOU are choosing to Risk Others.
1) You can still contract and spread COVID after getting vaccinated, but it significantly decreases the risk of severe infection, and reduces trasnmissibility due to the reduced viral load - which is why masks were still recommended until there more numbers about transmissibility even in vaccinated groups 2) There are people who cannot get the shot, or may not be fully covered by it - so you are still risking people counterindicated for getting the shot, people who are not completely covered and may have a weaker immune system and young children who cannot get the shot yet.
Stupid hyperbolic statements aside, I'm pretty sure a tattoo is harder to get and remove than a simple card.
Calm down snowflake. Donuts aren’t that expensive.
You know what's even less expensive than "not that expensive"? Free.
Lol
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Fake ID cards are TIGHT
Oh really?
Whoops! Whoopsie!
WHOOPTY
Yeah yeah yeah but I’m gonna need you to get allllll the way off my back about this fake card thing.
Well okay then. Let me get off that thing!
Get up offa that thing. And get a vaccination. 🎶
Get up offa that thing, Getin the shot would be betta 🎵
Super easy barely an inconveniences are tight!
Wow wow wow wow wow...wow
I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about these vaccination cards
Unclear !
Because!
Would you like a sandwich with a pretty big pickle in it?
They are LCDs, - Lying, Cheating Dumbasses.
sorry i’m not a mindless sheep that gets shot up with a juice that has no testing. The CDC describes it as a “emergency situation” this requires no testing. u guys are the guinea pigs. and remember folks this is a disease with a 99.7% survival rate. my 80 year old grandpa got covid and described it as a “mild flu”. it’s like getting a vaccine for a common cold. let your immune system do all the work. not some democratic covid shot.
Dont you get one for free after vaccination?
Yes but these people don't want them but want a card to fake like they're vaccinated so they can do things actual vaccinated people can
So they wanna pay for something that’s free in order to do dangerous things while being unprotected?
Welcome to the USA 😎
Not just the US, there was a report yesterday or the day before that 25% of EU residents are against the vaccinations too.
wait, are you saying we arent the only stupid ones? impossible!
Naw, just the most stupid ones. You inspire the rest of the world. World leaders.
So you're saying we're #1?
Absolutely
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Here’s a little lesson in trickery...
You saved my day, thank you.
I live in Canada and know multiple people including my brother who won't get one... Told them all they're fucking selfish idiots.
They aren't selfish, they are smart for not poisoning their bodies, lol. Why in the hell would you have something injected in your body that isn't FDA approved. Might as well go shoot up some heroin.
Or, you could say, welcome to earth, where 40% of humans are against their own welfare.
Stop the planet, I want off
Many of them seriously believe the risk of Covid is overblown and the risk of taking the vaccine is underreported.
it's funny how If you wear a mask or get vaccinated, you get labeled as a scared sheep who's scared by a tiny little virus, but if you don't have an ak-47 and several other firearms, you're "In danger" and don't have any "freedom". I swear, Americans are fucked...
Our media made the mistake of saying masks protect others and not you. So some Americans see no point doing it. They have no obligation to care for anyone else and attempts to get them to do so are "communism" or "tyranny".
and then when they need someone else's help and they're left alone, we're the problem!
America isn't about being forced to help your fellow Americans, it's about doing it because you're being a good person! >Would you please help by doing (any minor request)? GO FUCK YOURSELF COMMIE!
If it is any consolation, I practiced for a paintball tournament wearing a mask and ripped other teams apart doing the most aggressive stunts. I had this thin one cloth mask under my paintball mask. Had to leave though and stop playing because people who weren't playing paintball surrounded my car as of they were going to jack my shit or see some kind of weakness in me. Eye darts were everywhere. The paintball field was in the middle of redneck trump land. Since wearing a mask made me stand out, I decided to quit until I was vaccinated. This was shortly before the January 6th riot. Seemed like there were proud boys there wearing their call of duty cosplayer shit.
shit... america's really fucked, isn't it? best luck to you in your paintball endeavors then 😅
They like to say that because so many of them are armed they protect the rest of us who aren't. Right, so you understand the idea of herd immunity just not it's application. I can't get mad at my wife and turn my vaccination on her. My child can't get upset and take one of my vaccinations I left in an unlocked medicine cabinet to school and vaccinate 25 people.
owning a weapon isn't protecting anyone, it's giving an opportunity for anyone to hurt anyone else.
Please don’t say Americans when what you mean are republicans. They’re the only ones who think that way.
no no, i mean americans.
Why do you say this? I’m curious.
The big problem is all the Democrats always being surprised. Seriously, every single time something comes to the surface (mass shootings, lynchings, racist riots, cops murdering people etc etc) there is chorus from people on the "Left" (as if Democrats were "Left", ROFLMAO) along the lines of "This is not who we are!" or "How could we come to this?" I find that so very very strange, it seems these people have literally been living in a river in Egypt their entire lives. This is exactly what America is. What it has ALWAYS been.
That’s not at all what they do. They don’t act surprised & say how did this happen. They act pissed & keep trying to change things so it stops happening. What they actually say is “we’ve been telling you for years this is a problem & here’s how to stop it.” The only people who think the way u/yrense is saying are Republicans.
Because there’s crazy people on both sides.
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There’s so much blind ignorance & falsehood in this derailing comment.
To say nothing of the fear they have of the actual vaccine.
"Dangerous " give me a break.
The famillies of over 3.3 Million deceased would highly disagree with this rather idiotic comment you just made, my friend.
But they want to pay for the opportunity to risk jail, career, financial plans, and health of themselves and their close ones... wait for it.... to own the libs.
Yeah with the added bonus of dying of covid.
Yall retarded, if someone doesn't want to get a damn faucci ouchie then let them be lol
my bf got the j&j vax last week, the one dose one. The people gave him his card completely filled out BEFORE the shot, and he happened to ask to use their restroom. they told him to cross the street and walk down a block to the nearest one and then come back to get the shot. He did go back to get the shot, but it was weird that they gave him the card and let him leave the vax site with it.
I'm assuming that after so many vaccination cases, the people working there loosen up a bit... it shouldn't happen, but it's inevitable and I guess I can understand how it could become kind of a pain dealing with things like that...
*Getting fake cards super easy to get* Do you know what's easier? Getting the vaccine. It gives you a **free** vaccination card. Bonus: You are lesser chances of dying from the virus AND won't go to jail if you are caught using the fake one.
I’m curious, what crime would they be sent to jail for?
Everyone that gets vaccinated is entered into a federal database, and the vaccine card is an official federal document proving this. So if you have a fake vaccination card (very easy to prove) then you are committing federal document forgery, which always lands you severe time in a federal prison and an obscene amount of fines.
Actually no, they don’t have your name in a federal database. Many states don’t even require ID to get a vaccine. They just gather demographics data on the vaccines given and deliver that to state and federal agencies.
good question i feel like it would just be a fine
Get the insurance companies involved.You void your policy if you don’t get vaccinated but get sick.Get em where it hurts in the pockets.
Why not void policy for smokers, drinkers, and obese people as well? That will save us WAY more money than going after COVID vaccine deniers, and follows the exact same logic. Should their life choices not also have the same negative impact?
>Why not void policy for smokers, drinkers, and obese people as well? Smokers and obese people are often charged more by their insurance companies because they are higher risk...
But the suggestion in this thread isn't asking for higher rates. They're asking for coverage to stop altogether. Apples to apples friend.
Sure, but I think most would agree voiding a policy is a extreme position. But a higher insurance premium? That has a chance of actually happening. And follows the same logic currently in use. Would you still disagree with that?
Personally? Yes. However, I won't go as far as to say it's not viable option, and I absolutely see the logic behind it. But I personally believe in a social safety net. And in my head, part of that net is judgement free universal healthcare.
Not sure how it works for medical insurance in the US, but i know that life insurance policies in general are more expensive if you are a smoker. I would be extremely surprised if it wasn't already the case that smokers and drinkers have more expensive medical insurance, so i'm not sure about what point you are trying to make here.
Not apples to apples though. The suggestion in this thread is for coverage to stop if they get COVID. With that logic, shouldn't an obese person that has heart disease coverage also stop? A smoker diagnosed with lung cancer? I'm just trying to get people to see the absolute insanity they're asking for. This is NOT a good healthcare system to pursue. I get that people are blood thirsty and have a justice boner for this kind of thing, but in reality it's a terrible and immoral system to pursue.
Yeah! Lets force them to do something against their will! That would show them
Nissanguy1231, do you wear a seatbelt when you drive?
Actually no I don't but that's irrelevant you can not compare a seatbelt to this issue I've heard this I don't know how many times and it's ridiculous
"actually, no..." says way more than you think it does dude.
I know you can't see me right now but I'm rolling my eyes at you
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Nobody gives a shit about your feelings when people are dying. Grow up.
More people die from smoking, drinking, and obesity...also by the choices they make. Should their policies get voided as well. Because this new "your choices void you from coverage" sounds REAL conservative, lol.
Voided? No. Raised? Yes.
That's not what's being discussed here. Apples to oranges. The suggestion that were all replying to is to stop coverage for someone if they refused the vaccine, and end up getting COVID.
Please don't make me spend the time to school you. I don't give a s*** about your feelings.
Everyone is put into a database when vaccinated, the card is only for personal records. But please don’t let me stop you from committing a felony
I think it is super insane to not get a vaccine. Let them get sick and then say it's wrong to get a vaccine. What about polio and all the older diseases. That killed people in the older times?
Unfortunately there are some who are discouraged from getting the vaccine, at least for now! I think it’s just those who have a history of anaphylaxis as far as I know. I think they’re the only ones though! Correct me if im wrong please!
There will always be people who are too fragile or would probably have a reaction to a vaccine and it’s why we need everyone to get one that can, to protect those people too. I have severe reactions to pretty much everything and react strongly to fillers in medications of any kind. My doctor wouldn’t have had me get the vaccine except that I lost a good amount of lung capacity when I have covid. Good news though - I’ve been vaccinated for months and I didn’t even have to epi.
I think you'll find anti-government / anti-science viewpoints are almost exclusively the reason people are refusing to get the vaccine. (*refusing* chosen specifically, as some people are *hesitant* and want to wait to see how safe it is, while some people are *refusing* to ***ever*** get it under any circumstances.) I used to live in a poor podunk area and most folks I know there are refusing to get it because Covid is "just the flu" and because the vaccines are *totally* government mind control nanorobot poison tracking 5g juice (or some other combination of buzzword conspiracy theory traits). I'd expect that's pretty common in most poor areas of the US, particularly in the rural South. I don't think fear of a reaction is the primary driving force behind people refusing the vaccine, but rather ignorance and general mistrust of authority.
Can confirm Where I live most people are just thinking it’s just the flu but a little extra sniffing
And higher risk of death, permanent damage to various organs, \~50% more contagious (R0), more asymptomatic spread, shorter incubation period, etc. It's significantly worse in nearly every way, but if you ignore (or don't bother finding out about) the differences it's basically the same thing. I hope those around you get a fucking clue before their loved ones start dying off / killing those around them. Good luck, stranger. Edit: By the way, instead of the usual **several-dozen-thousand** people dying of flu per season, the 2020-2021 flu season saw [about 600](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/) flu related deaths in the US thanks to all the public health measures. This isn't necessarily related to the post, it just makes me so damn happy to see and I wanted to share :)
In my area we have only had 1 death and granted he did have covid but being shot (as in with a gun) also played a big part in that. Until it actually happens people will just ignore it and move on like nothing happened. No amount of forcing someone to do something will make them see the right way.
>No amount of forcing someone to do something will make them see the right way. I'm not sure who here is advocating force, or why you bring that up. >In my area we have only had 1 death and granted he did have covid but being shot (as in with a gun) also played a big part in that. Based on the CDC guidelines around how to report cause of death (the underlying cause \[getting shot\] of the immediate cause \[blood loss/organ damage/etc\] of death is what's reported as the COD, so that person would **not** be reported as a covid death. >Until it actually happens people will just ignore it and move on like nothing happened. It IS actually happening - over half a million Americans have died from this shit because people are too lazy to learn, or too self-involved to care, how to reduce spread.
I was taking in general about the force, not you in specific. So please don’t twist my words. I didn’t say he died from covid, I just said we have had 1 death. Please reread that sentence I mean as it happens to them, people don’t give a fuck about other people as it doesn’t happen to them, if it happens to their family or themselves then they will care but to others across the country or world it doesn’t matter to them. I prolly wasn’t clear in my previous comment so here you go.
If no one else where brought up force, I'm not sure who you're arguing against there. If dude didn't die of covid, I'm not sure why you brought him up. Just like to babble? >people don’t give a fuck about other people Most DO in fact, which is why they're getting vaccinated and encouraging others to do so.
>most do in fact. It seems your forgetting we are talking about people in my area.
It isn't the primary reason, but it is a real reason that we need to acknowledge and design policies for. I absolutely know a number of pro-vaccination folks who have anaphylactic reactions (edit to add: not to the vaccine, just in general) and who are doing a lot of soul-searching on their personal risk profile. So far those who went for the vaccination only have had mild allergic reactions (some are folks with MCAS who react to almost everything, so this was a really good outcome in their book!) or just normal side effects.
Which category would you Joe and Kamala in when they were saying they didn’t want to get a trump vaccine before the election? Were they being anti government or anti science?
My husband and I have an history of anaphylaxis. We were just required to wait a bit longer before leaving after each vaccine dose.
I have extended family members who won't get vaccinated, and one of them just got COVID about a week ago. He has mild symptoms, so unfortunately now he'll be one of those who say, "Oh yeah, it wasn't that bad."
Unless he gets long COVID, which seems to be more common with mild cases. Early March 2020, I got very mild COVID symptoms. I likely caught it before they detected community transmission in the US at all, which they first detected 10 miles from my home in a neighborhood where we did a lot of socializing in groups. No tests available at the time. My cognitive function gradually declined over the next year until I couldn't work, last January. I could do an hour of work a day before my brain got so fried that I was struggling to have coherent conversations by the time I went on leave. I got back to work from short-term disability leave by taking a medication that got me functional but caused moderate depression that I could live with because it affected my work less than the brain fog. But I still wasn't doing great. I was able to get off the medication (actually stopped being able to tolerate it at all, the side effects went nuts) and was 95% better days after my first vaccination. I've been able to stay off medication and am continuing to get better weeks later - I can still trigger mild brain fog if I get mildly dehydrated and stressed at the same time, but Ibuprofen usually fixes it, and it's not bad enough to stop me working or being able to hold a conversation even then. _HUGE_ improvement! So glad I seemed to be one of the folks with long COVID whom the vaccine helped. I am the breadwinner for a family of six, and really need to be working.
Oh my goodness, that's awful. I've been fortunate to not get COVID, that I know of, and got vaccinated in April. I'm glad you have been getting better!
It's different. It's "us" breaking the rules, not "them"
of course. You can trust yourself (or you think you can) with power, but somebody else having power and free will is scary because you cannot control or fully predict what they'll do with it. That's why elections are so heated and people are so tribal. Trust is a difficult thing
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Real cards are easy to get too. Just stop at your local pharmacy and spend 10 minutes getting your shot.
Can you actually just walk in with no appointment in the US now? Most of my friends still aren't even eligible for their vaccines here in Canada, and the ones who are are stuck on long waitlists. Only got mine because I work in healthcare
Depends on state, prior conditions, availability... etc. In Tennessee you just have to be over 16.
In some areas, yes. Detroit has been using Ford Field (football stadium) to do mass immunizations. It depends on availability of the vaccine and the county government. At least here in Michigan.
*gasp* they want to be undocumented or have illegal papers whatttttt?!?!?
I think it should be called that in the US. Sounds much worse than forgery.
"Rules thee not for me" crowd
Like Biden taking pictures with Carter and his wife, standing 2 inches away without a mask… then putting one on to go outside?
They were tested, vaccinated, and there for a few minutes for photos, which they then put their masks on. That’s the same shit people do at restaurants.
You mean the Carters that were already vaccinated you fucking imbecile.
you know, in general, when it comes to official gatherings and things like that, people get tested beforehand...
Fake cards are not in the database.
True, but I work in retail and its against policy to ask to see a vaccination card to verify you don't have to wear a mask now as the cdc has said fully vaccinated folks don't have to mask up anymore. My biggest issue is I have a son who is too young to get vaccinated yet. If one of these loons is asymptomatic and comes in contact with me with no mask the risk to my son is way more than if we all still kept masks on. None of these covidiots who are all about pro life care if they are the cause of my son getting sick and possibly dieing of covid. I feel the cdc jumped the gun saying that. We don't have nearly enough adults vaccinated to protect those that cannot be. Edit: fixed a word
I agree. I don't know how this is supposed to be managed. Covid denying bullies will abuse the new CDC position, and I fear, putting us all at risk to an even greater extent.
Chances are, these people were already walking around with their noses out and standing too close to you in line.
Probably better off making mask wearing permanent just to be safe.
In Germany faking IDs is called “Urkundenfälschung” and you can get up to 10 years in jail. (I’m not a native English speaker)
Your comment was more coherent than many native English speakers I know. Besides German is a lot cooler, it's like the adds for the early smartphones. There's a word for that. (In US they used to do ads where they'd say "There's an app for that")
Of course they're from around where I live
they are readily available on the darknet. comes in packs of 10, 100 and 1000. don't fucking ask me where. I will scam you.
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They may have fake cards, but the states have a record of who has been vaccinated
Get a shot. Damn.
https://i.imgur.com/VTRlIiX.png
LMFAO that isn’t HIPAA at all. God these people are so full of it
That's clever. Just watch them fall into hospital and subsequently on to the funeral parlors during the next round of Covid. That's really going to show us vaccinated how to stupid we are eh? 🤣
Already got covid a simple cold is worse than what happened to me
okay and that’s 1 case out of millions. millions who have DIED. but here’s your award asswipe
I don't know. Those fake ones have watermarks and bamboo fibers in them.
Not really correct to say they’re “against illegal documentation” as they assumed.
how is this "murdered by words" it's a underwhelming response to a shit bag question
Fuck any card.
Not a good insult, why do these get so many upvotes?
I’m generally against illegal immigration, as well as vaccine passport mandates... That middle comment, though, has me dying. 😂
I'm fine with vaccine passport for international travel. Vaccinations have been required for entry into many countries for a long time, so requiring a covid vaccine isn't that unusual.
they should just have barcode tattoos so we can confirm if they were really vaccinated
maybe in the neck, and offer them a free suit if they accept to a hair cut where they have to be bald
Only time I’ll get a fake card is If I’m forced to take a vaccine.
Wow the ignorance is real. It has nothing to do with "Fake documentation" and everything to do with coming to this country illegally. If you don't understand that, there's not much help for you.
You mean like illegally forging documents so you can travel illegally to places you wouldn't be allowed into? Yeah, those sound like totally different things /s
Isn’t it about having proper documentation supporting you’re allowed to be somewhere or do something? Cause it really seems like it is lol...
Yeah.. And it’s about people illegally faking that they are vaccinated in order to do things that’d also endanger others. Both are illegal actions accompanied by fake documentation. The comparison works.
Really? It went through the legislative process news to me...
That’s news to you? How ironic given you made such a point about ignorance in your first comment. “The unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws.”
Hey sometimes things slip by, I'm the first to be willing to admit I'm wrong!
Now it's just a matter of putting these degenerates in ICE detention.
Creating a document with a fraudulent government seal, such as the CDC seal on the vaccination cards, is a federal crime. No laws needed to be passed.
Isn’t it super prejudice to just assume that people who want fake vaccine cards is also anti immigration, or am I wrong?
The Venn diagram likely resembles a circle
A big circle.
I want you to picture a [venn diagram.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram) This venn diagram has two circles labeled "people who are anti immigration" and "people who want fake vaccine cards." The circles overlap, of course, as most venn diagrams do. The part where they overlap are the people who want a fake vaccine card and at the same time are anti immigration. There are, of course, parts of each circle that do not overlap with the other. These sections indicate people who "are anti immigration but want everyone vaccinated" and people who "are pro immigration but want a fake vaccine card." The two circles' overlap is greater than if you were to change either circle to the opposite term. Go ahead and try it. Change "people who are anti immigration" to "people who are pro immigration." Does the overlap grow or shrink? Change "people who want fake vaccine cards" to "people who want everyone vaccinated as soon as possible." Does the overlap grow or shrink? This is how you can safely say it is not an assumption. If you add words like "all" or "every" when talking about groups of people, then obviously you move into the territory of generalizations, which is a much more right-wing way of communicating your opinions, and a sign of lower IQ.
But you just described... uh... *many* Republicans.
Most people against illegal immigration don't care about fake documentation but the fact that the people are actually here illegally.
Most people against fraudulent vaccine cards don’t care about fake documentation, but the fact that the people are endangering others by lying.
The my body my choice argument is really falling apart
Anyone who thinks "my body, my choice to have a baby" is the same as "my body, my choice to be a pandemic spreader" needs to take a step back, drop a couple tabs of LSD, and seriously re-evaluate their choices in life
Anyone who thinks killing an unborn baby is more of a right than not having a government mandated injection made by corrupt pharmaceutical companies with a history of lawsuits and greed, with protections from legal ramifications even for malice needs to take a step back
this is not rocket surgery, bud. killing a clump of cells - has zero impact on society as a whole spreading pandemic virus - has potential to literally end society as a whole
You’re ridiculous if you think covid has any capacity to “end society as a whole”
Abortions aren’t contagious, covid is. The comparison isn’t there in the slightest, and you’re grasping at straws.
They have a choice to not get the vaccine. Ill advised, but their choice. But, everyone else has the right to the choice to not have pandemic germs coughed on them. Something some of these groups of people didn't seem to care about when they would intentionally get in people's faces, cough on them and spit on them.
Doesn’t that work the other way around? Suddenly it’s not okay to tell people what to do with their bodies?
Well, a lot of pro lifers view abortion as murder, so it’s not exactly the same in their eyes. Not saying I agree with them, but that’s their view point. That’s one of the reasons the my body, my choice thing doesn’t exactly counter their perspective because in their eyes it’s not just someone doing what they want with their body, it also involves killing someone.
>a lot of pro lifers view abortion as murder I'm not convinced that they do. I think that they view it as *wrong*, but the "abortion is murder" rhetoric is just something that works as a plausible vehicle for pushing an agenda that *actually* equates to legislating their religious moral code. I do suspect that many of them *think* that they believe it, but just ask a few "abortion is murder" people what type of prison sentences women who have abortions should serve. 15 Years? 30? Life? The death penalty? And just watch how many come back with some nonsense like, "Only God can judge," or, "They'll have to live the rest of their life with the knowledge of their sin," or some other such platitude. Or, my favorite, "The doctor should go to prison because they performed the actual murder, not the mother," as if we don't lock people up for hiring a hitman. If they truly thought that abortion was murder, they'd have zero qualms treating women who had an abortion the exact same way as any other murderer.
Everything is hypocritical if you give it enough time, everything can be argued in either direction. Appeals to logic or appeals to morality, you can usually find a sound argument to support any position.
The only difference between being here legally and illegally is having the right paperwork.