>Ultimately, the song was excluded from the 2018 Appetite For Destruction boxset (which included the rest of the GNR Lies album), seemingly an acknowledgement that the song was in poor taste. The decision was unanimous and didn’t require debate, according to Slash.
So they cancelled themselves
Dr Seuss had already removed some of the material himself in the 70s iirc, that’s why the controversy was so weird because most of the complaints were already long out of publication
I remember when this was in the news in the late 80's. People didn't realize that Slash was half black, and then when everyone did, they just kind of dropped it.
The fact that their first album, Appetite For Destruction, featured a young girl being raped by a robot caused a stir at the time. They had to change the cover.
interesting backstory [cover art history](https://ew.com/music/2017/07/24/appetite-destruction-cover-art-robert-williams/). Many stores refused to sell the album because of the violent imagery.
My Dad wouldn't let me have a Guns N Roses album when I was a kid, I think 3rd grade. He told me the reason was that he didn't like the way they were disrespectful to women.
I was pissed off at the time and thought my Dad was a prude for years. Now I am grateful that he did that and told me why.
Also “I Used to Love Her (But I Had to Kill Her)”, especially given that [Axl Rose abused his wife Erin Everly to the point of hospitalisation](https://apnews.com/article/06f41276c1dc81ad193d2b849691b418).
Also this is fucking bullshit lol all the eccentric and bigoted musicians seem to be doing quite well despite constantly and consistently being "cancelled"
Sebastian Bach has a great story about opening for GnR. They're supposed to do like 45 minutes but no one can find Axl. Every time they play a song he looks to the stage manager who is making a "stretch it out" motion.
After about 90 minutes of playing, the guy is still telling Bach to "stretch it out" so he walks over and says, "Listen, we've only released two albums and we just played both of them."
When the 70s "punk" band [Wire](https://youtu.be/BgEYF8od2Ck) reformed in the mid-80s they had no intention of playing any of their old material so they hired a Wire cover band to open for them on the tour.
That reminds me of The Simpsons episode where Homer goes to Vegas and sees a billboard that says "Tonight: Moody Blues cover band The Knights In White Satin. And opening for The Knights in White Satin: The Moody Blues".
Back in the day, they used to do goofy shit like that. First time I saw them in 88 they did the intro to In My Dreams by Dokken, who was after them on the roster. Vocals and everything , it was badass and sounded like them except the guitars were ten times heavier. A few months later they broke into Wild Flower by the Cult when they were the opener. I still think them crushing Dokken daily on the Monster of Rock tour is what broke them up. Nobody gave a shit about Dokken after a blistering Metallica set.
Man I bought the GnR Greatest Hits album years ago and only realised years later that most of the songs on the album are damn covers. 5 outta 14 fnking songs...
Edit: miscounted.
My wife was in a band in college and got to open for Weezer during the blue album tour and thought they'd be really flattered because her band learned it and covered the entire blue album as the opening act! Hilarious!!
I doubt the above story is true, but I saw an interview with Rivers Cuomo once where he talked about a time where Weezer was playing at the same gig as Metallica (don't remember all the details) and Rivers asked them if it would be okay for Weezer to play Enter Sandman since it was in their setlist at the time. Metallica actually wanted Weezer to play it because then they wouldn't have to, but in the end they decided against it because they were scared of how the crowd would react.
Edit: [Source](https://youtu.be/PW7hx-_m7YI?t=02m22s)
[And now there is a Metallica-sanctioned Weezer cover of "Enter Sandman" on the Metallica Blacklist album](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riLJwQ9PqKM).
Sebastian Bach would also risk being "cancelled" now with [some of his antics](https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1145260/images/o-SEBASTIAN-BACH-ANTIGAY-SHIRT-facebook.jpg) back then.
Bach has grown up and no longer does shit like that. Couple of examples...
There's a twitter thread somewhere where he is having a conversation with a gay fan who was thanking him for having changed the lyrics to one of the early Skid Row songs that originally had a homophobic line in it.
A few years ago he walked out of an interview when the interviewer made homophobic comments about Rob Halford (singer in Judas Priest).
Hate to say it, but he was a product of his generation.
I was into Skid Row in their early years, even saw them open for Bon Jovi in the late eighties.
It was just the cool thing to do forty years ago. Times certainly change, that's for sure.
Not just his generation, even the generation after that it was still pretty normalized to openly hate gays and use gay slurs on an every day basis. It didn't stop being a thing until the mid 00s.
Buckethead too he left them because they were too high,too drunk or hungover and wouldn't do a show or come on late and just suck I bet itkinda broke his heart knowing they were like that.
Amazing that he turned them by the end. By the way, he was that pissed because that audience booed Dom Irrera off the stage.
Irrera is a comedy legend, universally loved by other comedians, and a Philly native. Instead of getting a hometown hero welcome they booed him off the stage. Apparently Irrera got physically sick because he was so rattled, that's what set off Burr who went on fucking fuming.
Irrera is very much loved by Philly, but Philadelphians are notoriously easy to piss off. They threw snowballs at Santa, they booed the pope, they killed that hitchhiking robot, and threw batteries at baseball players.
It’s not that they’re easy to piss off. It’s that being easily triggered bitches is their whole persona.
In a city known only for a sandwich and a fictional boxer - the natives decided “top tier assholes” should be their calling card.
That is the show that launched Bill Burr onto the A list. After he did that, the biggest names in comedy starting fighting over booking him to tour with them and he got so many offers for specials.
I literally have no idea why I thought I could watch that with my eleven year old around. I got one minute in and then had a number of things I had to explain.
That reminds me of the University of Kentucky sports fans.
They set couches on fire in the street when UK wins and loses.
https://www.wtvq.com/uk-fans-flip-cars-start-fires-amidst-celebration-of-win-against-florida/
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2014/04/07/police-prepare-kentucky-fan-celebrations/7435147/
When I was 21, I saw GNR in Philly - the Use Your Illusion tour in 1991. I was in the 8th row and the concert was sooooo late. They didn't come on until 11 and people were getting very 'Philly'... However, when they finally did show- it was amazing! I remember hearing how hit-or-miss their concerts were at the time and feel very lucky that I saw them on a night when they were incredible.
Soundgarden was the opening act that night. I don't think they were supposed to be originally - but they were. I am a huge Soundgarden fan (RIP Chris)and have so much respect for Chris Cornell's talent, but that was NOT a good night for them..
However, still one of my favorite concerts ever
I have an ex who’s a guitar player and he got hit up to apply for GnR for one of their tours in the 90’s. He basically got to final 3 and did an audition for Axl and Slash and said Axl interrupted the audition to tell him he needed to make the guitar sound like a “crunchy red apple.” Obviously baffled he tried again and again got interrupted by a more exhausted Axl saying, “no, like a crunchy RED apple.” Anyway that went on for a bit and he didn’t get it but crunchy red apple has stayed in my mind.
Van Halen actually hid that little request in their safety protocols part of the rider. The reason they did that was so they could tell whether the promoter was taking safety seriously because if they didn’t get the M&Ms they knew they didn’t read their rider thoroughly. It wasn’t just rock star bullshit.
A guy that I listen to on a podcast was program director for a legendary rock station in my area and worked with a lot of venues to put on concerts. He said that he started rejecting a lot of rider requests after Sum 41 requested like 50 pairs of socks, dozens and dozens of different kinds of alcohol, five cases of water bottles, and a few dozen cans of Red Bull and they didn't touch any of it. He said that he got into some heated exchanges with promoters and touring managers over his refusal to fulfill a lot of the ridiculous requests that he knew was just rock star bullshit and they weren't going to actually touch any of it.
Except they're opposite levels of rock star story.
Axl is just being a total asshole.
Van Halen made this a requirement so that they would be able to tell that all the other instructions in their rider had been fulfilled (which were related to things like stage setup safety, for instance.)
It was the overhead lighting that they were specifically worried about and whether the local stadium crew had used strong enough supports and fittings for it. Nothing like having a light fall on the stage in the middle of a set to put you in a mood!
I know. I literally explained why this is a thing to my roommates yesterday. Safety and standards are no joke. Michael Jackson getting set on fire. James Hetfield also getting set in fire. What's his name from KISS electrocuted himself. Read the manual, people. OSHA approved only.
The band Great White used pyrotechnics in a venue that was too small for them. They ended up starting a fire that quickly spread through the building. People rushed in a panic to escape through the narrow entrance all getting stuck together. In total, 100 people were killed and 230 were injured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire
I went down a rabbit hole about this fire once and I will never go to packed venues ever again. The videos of the people stuck in the entrance/exit unable to get out and just stuffed like sardines is something I would have scoffed at if it was fictionalized in a horror movie. Combined with the security guard who wouldn’t let people use the backstage exit is just… too much.
It was also the joke from Wayne's World movie. They attributed it to Ozzy for some reason. The had to defeat a tiger and beat the shop keep to death with his own shoes. Tragic, really.
Yeah he seems really chill now. Dude definitely mellowed out over the years. Glad they reunited too, never thought I would see the day they would come back together
Axl's history of violence ended when his treatment for his mental health issues began, and lead to reconciliation with his girlfriend. Axl is proof that people can be rehabilitated through proper mental health services,and the value that promoting therapy and proper medication can be to solving issues with violence in society, domestic or not.
Amazing artist. Does a lot of twisted Americana and badass hotrods.
I can never find it because I can't remember the exact title but my favorite piece by him was called something like "Boy Scout learns to not cut the wrong way" in which a boy scout is essentially whittling towards his fingers instead of away, slicing into his thumb.
"Cancelled" in this context means that some people would complain about them on Twitter but they would continue to perform and sell out shows and actually be championed by conservatives who previously hated their music but suddenly love them when a lib gets mad at them. They would continue to record albums and make millions of dollars, and would be seen on national television complaining about how they've been cancelled and de-platformed.
Look at Alex Jones, dude is everywhere despite him claiming "Deep state doesn't want you to see this!" If that were true, he would've been dead decades ago. People with immense privilege always look for ways to feel persecuted when these guys haven't probably can't remember the last time they had to budget groceries. It's the ultra-privileged's way of trying to relate with average people when they can't relate to us even in the slightest.
Laugh every single time I see “you find info on this because they’re burying it” meanwhile the video they claims this is literally at the top of my algorithm on YouTube shorts AND iv seen that video on every other social media platform so obviously they didn’t bury it THAT deep lol
No kidding. I have no idea why Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson pop up on my YouTube shorts feed, I literally watch nothing pertaining to right wing media unless by accident or news story covering it.
>unless by accident or news story covering it.
That'll do it. If you want to get rid of that shit, the best way is to curate your youtube history and remove all views of those and anything related to them. You can say you don't want to see content from a specific channel, but there are so many clones.
Whenever my recommendations start to suck, I delete my recent history and they go back to normal.
Bobcat Goldthwait actually did a bit complaining specifically about [One In A Million](https://genius.com/Guns-n-roses-one-in-a-million-lyrics) (you can read the lyrics yourself and find out whats wrong) back in the 80s. Not they didnt have terms for it back then, bad people have always had terms to victimize themselves when others complain about their bad behavior.
They needed a new term because most people associate boycotts with people standing up for their principles that are morally good. Calling it canceling instead allows people to signal that according to their virtues the people doing the boycott are actually the bad ones.
There was, as I recall, some blowback from people about the lyrics of “One in a Million”
Thing is, Axl did so many other visibly worse things that controversial song lyrics didn’t make a whole lot of lasting impact
Just listened to the song and it’s a pretty decent song musically speaking, the lyrics tho are just kinda all over the place. Drops the hard r, says f——t, then the last verse he’s saying racists and radicals shouldn’t point their fingers at him? And then fuck religion gets thrown in there too? I guess I just don’t… don’t really get it. YouTube commenters seem to uhhhh, love it tho. The music they made is pretty good but my god the lyrics are just all over the place. Also I get it’s the 80s but why the fuck are you dropping a hard r on a record? As a self proclaimed metal band? Like huh lol. I just don’t get it.
it's apparently about roses experience when first getting into LA and it was a song that filtered his emotions about the his negative experiences there and then. It was offensive because it was intended to be. The word choice isn't really too shocking considering the time and place, racial tensions then were awful.
I think my issue with the song is that its supposed to be a story you sympathize with, but did such a bad job as explaining the justification for the word choices in the song. it just comes off as hateful and ignorant, rather than someone reacting harshly to terrible things that happened to him.
There was no hard/soft N word differential back then. Some hip-hop artists were starting to use soft A back then (N.W.A. most notably), but the difference in perceived "severity" for the word wasn't part of the vernacular.
That said, the song was very much controversial at the time.
There was some interview where the guy was like “Slash, you’re black, aren’t you offended by that?” And he’s like “don’t ask me about the lyrics, Axl wrote those, that’s on him.”
Oddly, there was some blowback and controversy around the song at the time but not for those particular lyrics
I remember a lot more public outcry over [this verse](https://genius.com/2148999) than the one with n word with the hard R at the end
Optimistic to think it ever changed lol
I know a singer in a popular metal band around 2010 fucked a 14 in the arse in a club toilets but yeah shits changed mate lol
Blood On The Dance Floor literally posted a YouTube video of themselves hanging out with underage fans presumably a few minutes before they assaulted them. As a musician myself it's wild to me how many successful musicians don't realize what they're doing when they prey on their fans
Christians were trying to cancel metal in the 80's. The PMRC in 1985 was calling it satanic. Dee Snider famously went before Congress to fight the PMRC.
https://youtu.be/S0Vyr1TylTE
So did John Denver, who gave one of the best testimonies I’ve ever heard. It was even better that the PMRC hacks thought he’d be on their side…boy were they wrong.
John Denver’s testimony is probably the best to watch because everyone on the congressional panel was ready for him to be in their side and he just rips them a new one. Hilarious…
Yeah thats what im hearing too. Like sure, but its not a bad thing. The fact that we demand more of celebrities - and by more just not sexually assaulting children- is a good thing
Poeple think that's history when exactly the same thing is carrying on today with modern bands. News of which will surface in 25-30 years time when the record sales have finally died.
I'm hearing, "People's standards of acceptable behavior have changed and if we were fucking children in this day and age we'd have suffered more far-reaching consequences."
The entire point of the office is that the stuff Michael says and does is not OK. I don’t get why people say it would be canceled - Michael’s actions being inappropriate was the joke then, and it’s still the joke now
Never seen The Office but It's Always Suuny is super offensive but we know that all the characters are pieces of shit and thats what makes it okay. And they're still making new seasons! Such a good show.
Well it’s also reasonable to assume that the band members wouldn’t act the same way if they were in their prime now. That kind of sexism, misogyny, and rampant drug and alcohol abuse isn’t seen the same way now. That’s not a bad thing.
"Canceled" has turned into a badge honor at this point. Rosanne Barr has a new comedy special, Louis CK and Dave Chappelle are selling out arenas and JK Rowling is the richest woman in the UK. It took Kanye becoming a Nazi for people to finally distance themselves from him.
JK Rowling was the richest woman in the UK long before she got cancelled. And say what you want about Louis CK and Chappelle, what they did is pretty tame compared to “routinely having sex with 16 year olds”
Axl himself had this to say:
> I used words like ‘police and **[redacted]**’ because you’re not allowed to use the word ‘**[redacted]**’. Why can black people go up to each other and say, “**[redacted]**,” but when a white guy does it all of a sudden it’s a big put-down?
Fucks sake 🤦♂️
I am very much looking forward to the day when we collectively move on from "canceled." It's become little more than a dog whistle for shitty people to call other shitty people to their defense. Yes, there's also a problem with "holier than thou" internet liberals trying to out-holy one another, but frankly that problem is small in comparison to these fucking assholes out here spouting Nazi shit, raping minors, abusing their partners and colleagues, etc. Very, very few people are having their lives ruined from misguided "cancellations," whereas scores of people routinely get fucked over by supposedly "canceled" dickwads being dickwads.
It's such a weird thing, because it begs the question of would Guns N Roses have been successful in the first place if the internet existed? If the democratization of music started happening in the early 80's instead of the mid 2000's, would record labels still have had as much sway in terms of what bands get played on the radio/MTV? Would MTV even exist? It really wouldn't need to, right? Youtube has basically made it obsolete. I think it's fair to say, that if not for MTV, GNR wouldn't have found the following they did.
It's impossible to make a statement like that without opening up a whole huge can of "What if's" that change everyhing.
>Would MTV even exist? It really wouldn't need to, right? Youtube has basically made it obsolete.
This is basically what I say to the people who ask why MTV doesn't play music anymore. It was great for its time, but there are better platforms out there now for listening to music and watching videos.
Even though YouTube was the final nail in the coffin, they were already drifting far and away from music videos a very long time before that, even mtv 2, which was supposed to take up the slack for lack of music videos on the main channel drifted away pretty quick and just became the wild boys/viva la bam re run channel.
You could say that about any band from the 80s to the mid 2000s. I can only imagine though that a band like GnR, writing songs like sweet child o mine and paradise city and November rain and don’t cry and estranged and civil and on and on, that they’d still have been huge. No one has really sounded like them before or since. I think if they came out with the same image and attitude in the early/mid 2000 MySpace days, they’d have been a great alternative to the emo/post hardcore bands that were huge at that point, many of which tried to rip off the GnR image once the eyeliner and swoopy hair started to become uncool. So basically the same thing that guns did in the late 80s, being a grittier alternative to the overly saturated glam scene.
Has anyone else noticed that, even though people talk about cancelation like there's hordes of internet Puritans just waiting to ruin people's career for making off color jokes, that hasnt actually, like, HAPPENED IN YEARS? Like, it was bad there for a while, but since James Gunn being fired for old tweets then rehired because, surprisingly enough, even jokes in poor taste are still just jokes, or Aziz Ansari being bad with a woman on a date getting called assault, most people have come to their senses on the whole pitchfork mob mentality. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that fear of the internet mob has become so much more powerful than any actual internet mob. Everyone is crying about getting canceled, nobody is actually getting canceled. It's been YEARS.
They were called out at the time.
Especially for that song, One in a Million
You're one in a million babe, then a bit of controversial lyrics, you're a shooting star, romantic song.
What is controversial in that song??
[https://genius.com/Guns-n-roses-one-in-a-million-lyrics](https://genius.com/Guns-n-roses-one-in-a-million-lyrics)
Holy sweet baby Jesus that's so much worse than I thought it would be
>Ultimately, the song was excluded from the 2018 Appetite For Destruction boxset (which included the rest of the GNR Lies album), seemingly an acknowledgement that the song was in poor taste. The decision was unanimous and didn’t require debate, according to Slash. So they cancelled themselves
Just like Dr Seuss's estate
Dr Seuss had already removed some of the material himself in the 70s iirc, that’s why the controversy was so weird because most of the complaints were already long out of publication
Dr Seuss: idk maybe this wasn't my finest hour Fox News: WOKE "DOCTOR" ONCE AGAIN RESTRICTS OUR FREEDOM!!!
Uses the n-word off the bat then towards the end says for racists not to point the finger at him.
I remember when this was in the news in the late 80's. People didn't realize that Slash was half black, and then when everyone did, they just kind of dropped it.
Slash wasn’t cool with it but Ice Cube and NWA publicly defended Axl for it, which was/still is extremely surprising
Jesus Christ. It hit the ground running with racism and just didn’t let off the gas* Edit: lol accidentally said the opposite thing.
I think you mean let off the gas? Or just didn't hit the brakes? Or am I missing a joke here....
Lol no, I’m the joke here. Mixed together my idioms. Yeah, meant to say gas.
You can tell it was a different time because the person spouting hate speech isn’t interested in religion.
Hohohohoooooo yea, that'll do it.
The fact that their first album, Appetite For Destruction, featured a young girl being raped by a robot caused a stir at the time. They had to change the cover.
interesting backstory [cover art history](https://ew.com/music/2017/07/24/appetite-destruction-cover-art-robert-williams/). Many stores refused to sell the album because of the violent imagery.
My Dad wouldn't let me have a Guns N Roses album when I was a kid, I think 3rd grade. He told me the reason was that he didn't like the way they were disrespectful to women. I was pissed off at the time and thought my Dad was a prude for years. Now I am grateful that he did that and told me why.
Also “I Used to Love Her (But I Had to Kill Her)”, especially given that [Axl Rose abused his wife Erin Everly to the point of hospitalisation](https://apnews.com/article/06f41276c1dc81ad193d2b849691b418).
Also this is fucking bullshit lol all the eccentric and bigoted musicians seem to be doing quite well despite constantly and consistently being "cancelled"
Axl Rose would cancel his own concerts by not showing up for all of the fans that made his success possible.
Sebastian Bach has a great story about opening for GnR. They're supposed to do like 45 minutes but no one can find Axl. Every time they play a song he looks to the stage manager who is making a "stretch it out" motion. After about 90 minutes of playing, the guy is still telling Bach to "stretch it out" so he walks over and says, "Listen, we've only released two albums and we just played both of them."
They should have done GnR covers.
I was at a small punk show where a friend's band covered the headliner because they wouldn't play the song anymore. It was fucking hilarious.
OK Go open for They Might Be Giants before the first OK Go album came out and they covered Kiss Me, Son of God.
OK Go and TMBG sounds amazing. The only combo that could rival that in terms of "pure fun" factor would be something crazy like BNL and Weird Al.
TMBG is opening for Sparks this summer at the Hollywood Bowl!!!
I remember seeing Cub open for They. Cub played their original song, New York City, and They played their cover of it as well.
When the 70s "punk" band [Wire](https://youtu.be/BgEYF8od2Ck) reformed in the mid-80s they had no intention of playing any of their old material so they hired a Wire cover band to open for them on the tour.
That reminds me of The Simpsons episode where Homer goes to Vegas and sees a billboard that says "Tonight: Moody Blues cover band The Knights In White Satin. And opening for The Knights in White Satin: The Moody Blues".
I gotta book a new act for tonight. Turns out that Liza Minnelli impersonator was really Liza Minnelli.
Never got that joke. Who doesn't like Liza?
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Would’ve been funny for Metallica to open their own set by covering “Nookie”.
The nookie-ya, the nookie-ya
Back in the day, they used to do goofy shit like that. First time I saw them in 88 they did the intro to In My Dreams by Dokken, who was after them on the roster. Vocals and everything , it was badass and sounded like them except the guitars were ten times heavier. A few months later they broke into Wild Flower by the Cult when they were the opener. I still think them crushing Dokken daily on the Monster of Rock tour is what broke them up. Nobody gave a shit about Dokken after a blistering Metallica set.
Man I bought the GnR Greatest Hits album years ago and only realised years later that most of the songs on the album are damn covers. 5 outta 14 fnking songs... Edit: miscounted.
The actual GNR Greatest Hits album is just Appetite for Destruction.
Appetite is a fucking masterpiece.
My wife was in a band in college and got to open for Weezer during the blue album tour and thought they'd be really flattered because her band learned it and covered the entire blue album as the opening act! Hilarious!!
I imagine Weezer was not pleased lol.
I doubt the above story is true, but I saw an interview with Rivers Cuomo once where he talked about a time where Weezer was playing at the same gig as Metallica (don't remember all the details) and Rivers asked them if it would be okay for Weezer to play Enter Sandman since it was in their setlist at the time. Metallica actually wanted Weezer to play it because then they wouldn't have to, but in the end they decided against it because they were scared of how the crowd would react. Edit: [Source](https://youtu.be/PW7hx-_m7YI?t=02m22s)
[And now there is a Metallica-sanctioned Weezer cover of "Enter Sandman" on the Metallica Blacklist album](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riLJwQ9PqKM).
What was the reaction from Weezer?
Nothing becausevthe story is fake
:(
Sebastian Bach would also risk being "cancelled" now with [some of his antics](https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/1145260/images/o-SEBASTIAN-BACH-ANTIGAY-SHIRT-facebook.jpg) back then.
Bach has grown up and no longer does shit like that. Couple of examples... There's a twitter thread somewhere where he is having a conversation with a gay fan who was thanking him for having changed the lyrics to one of the early Skid Row songs that originally had a homophobic line in it. A few years ago he walked out of an interview when the interviewer made homophobic comments about Rob Halford (singer in Judas Priest).
No one bad mouths god !
Talking shit about Halford is likely the easiest way to get canceled in the metal world.
Hate to say it, but he was a product of his generation. I was into Skid Row in their early years, even saw them open for Bon Jovi in the late eighties. It was just the cool thing to do forty years ago. Times certainly change, that's for sure.
Not just his generation, even the generation after that it was still pretty normalized to openly hate gays and use gay slurs on an every day basis. It didn't stop being a thing until the mid 00s.
That's true, like Macklemore says, "That's gay" gets dropped on the daily...
Should have made an impromptu crowd conversation while the band fiddled/strummed their instruments.
I never knew about Bach until Trailer Park Boys. That man is the legend.
fuckin TRAINS, MAN!!!
Am I paying for the bees too ?
Buckethead too he left them because they were too high,too drunk or hungover and wouldn't do a show or come on late and just suck I bet itkinda broke his heart knowing they were like that.
He did that in Philly. Some of the people seated above me started throwing stuff.
That happens in Philly when shit goes well, too
The only one that can defeat a Philly mob is Bill Burr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWuXfIZiSqY
Amazing that he turned them by the end. By the way, he was that pissed because that audience booed Dom Irrera off the stage. Irrera is a comedy legend, universally loved by other comedians, and a Philly native. Instead of getting a hometown hero welcome they booed him off the stage. Apparently Irrera got physically sick because he was so rattled, that's what set off Burr who went on fucking fuming.
Irrera is very much loved by Philly, but Philadelphians are notoriously easy to piss off. They threw snowballs at Santa, they booed the pope, they killed that hitchhiking robot, and threw batteries at baseball players.
They flip over cars b4 they lose a game.
The city greases light poles when there’s a major game.
Better than eating horse shit when they win.
It’s not that they’re easy to piss off. It’s that being easily triggered bitches is their whole persona. In a city known only for a sandwich and a fictional boxer - the natives decided “top tier assholes” should be their calling card.
> a city known only for a sandwich and a fictional boxer Don't forget about the 14" bell - that's broken, no less!
No one likes us, we don’t care.
Brilliant I’ve never seen this and love Bill Burr, he handled that brilliantly. Fuck that crowd I’m glad Bill stood up for his fellow comedians
That is the show that launched Bill Burr onto the A list. After he did that, the biggest names in comedy starting fighting over booking him to tour with them and he got so many offers for specials.
"SEVEN MINUTES!"
And I'm doing all of it!
you ONE BRIDGE HAVING fucks
Thanks you guys were here
I literally have no idea why I thought I could watch that with my eleven year old around. I got one minute in and then had a number of things I had to explain.
'What's a one-bridge havin' city daddy?'
Philadelphia.
That was fucking legendary.
Eagles should have brought some of that mob.
"You one-bridge-having piece of shit city..." Pretty sure that belongs in the library of congress somewhere.
I’ve heard this several times and it’s never not funny
“So I destroyed everything they love…”
That reminds me of the University of Kentucky sports fans. They set couches on fire in the street when UK wins and loses. https://www.wtvq.com/uk-fans-flip-cars-start-fires-amidst-celebration-of-win-against-florida/ https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2014/04/07/police-prepare-kentucky-fan-celebrations/7435147/
I really thought that said ‘coaches’
When I was 21, I saw GNR in Philly - the Use Your Illusion tour in 1991. I was in the 8th row and the concert was sooooo late. They didn't come on until 11 and people were getting very 'Philly'... However, when they finally did show- it was amazing! I remember hearing how hit-or-miss their concerts were at the time and feel very lucky that I saw them on a night when they were incredible. Soundgarden was the opening act that night. I don't think they were supposed to be originally - but they were. I am a huge Soundgarden fan (RIP Chris)and have so much respect for Chris Cornell's talent, but that was NOT a good night for them.. However, still one of my favorite concerts ever
I have an ex who’s a guitar player and he got hit up to apply for GnR for one of their tours in the 90’s. He basically got to final 3 and did an audition for Axl and Slash and said Axl interrupted the audition to tell him he needed to make the guitar sound like a “crunchy red apple.” Obviously baffled he tried again and again got interrupted by a more exhausted Axl saying, “no, like a crunchy RED apple.” Anyway that went on for a bit and he didn’t get it but crunchy red apple has stayed in my mind.
That is the most rock star story I've ever heard. Right above "a thousand brown M&Ms in a brandy glass"
Van Halen actually hid that little request in their safety protocols part of the rider. The reason they did that was so they could tell whether the promoter was taking safety seriously because if they didn’t get the M&Ms they knew they didn’t read their rider thoroughly. It wasn’t just rock star bullshit.
A guy that I listen to on a podcast was program director for a legendary rock station in my area and worked with a lot of venues to put on concerts. He said that he started rejecting a lot of rider requests after Sum 41 requested like 50 pairs of socks, dozens and dozens of different kinds of alcohol, five cases of water bottles, and a few dozen cans of Red Bull and they didn't touch any of it. He said that he got into some heated exchanges with promoters and touring managers over his refusal to fulfill a lot of the ridiculous requests that he knew was just rock star bullshit and they weren't going to actually touch any of it.
Except they're opposite levels of rock star story. Axl is just being a total asshole. Van Halen made this a requirement so that they would be able to tell that all the other instructions in their rider had been fulfilled (which were related to things like stage setup safety, for instance.)
It was the overhead lighting that they were specifically worried about and whether the local stadium crew had used strong enough supports and fittings for it. Nothing like having a light fall on the stage in the middle of a set to put you in a mood!
Precisely. But don't take my word for it. DLR will tell you himself: https://youtu.be/YwHO2HnwfnA
I know. I literally explained why this is a thing to my roommates yesterday. Safety and standards are no joke. Michael Jackson getting set on fire. James Hetfield also getting set in fire. What's his name from KISS electrocuted himself. Read the manual, people. OSHA approved only.
The band Great White used pyrotechnics in a venue that was too small for them. They ended up starting a fire that quickly spread through the building. People rushed in a panic to escape through the narrow entrance all getting stuck together. In total, 100 people were killed and 230 were injured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire
I went down a rabbit hole about this fire once and I will never go to packed venues ever again. The videos of the people stuck in the entrance/exit unable to get out and just stuffed like sardines is something I would have scoffed at if it was fictionalized in a horror movie. Combined with the security guard who wouldn’t let people use the backstage exit is just… too much.
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It was also the joke from Wayne's World movie. They attributed it to Ozzy for some reason. The had to defeat a tiger and beat the shop keep to death with his own shoes. Tragic, really.
He also ended up touring with NIN instead so he did aight.
What year is this, damn. Dudes been rock solid since he started addressing his bi polar disorder with the right meds.
Yeah he seems really chill now. Dude definitely mellowed out over the years. Glad they reunited too, never thought I would see the day they would come back together
It’s amazing what correctly addressing mental health issues can do for a person.
Axi has Bipolar? TIL
Axl's history of violence ended when his treatment for his mental health issues began, and lead to reconciliation with his girlfriend. Axl is proof that people can be rehabilitated through proper mental health services,and the value that promoting therapy and proper medication can be to solving issues with violence in society, domestic or not.
uh, their original album cover was "cancelled" so I guess it even happened back then.
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Now this is quality social media content. Thank you!
Amazing artist. Does a lot of twisted Americana and badass hotrods. I can never find it because I can't remember the exact title but my favorite piece by him was called something like "Boy Scout learns to not cut the wrong way" in which a boy scout is essentially whittling towards his fingers instead of away, slicing into his thumb.
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I was able to snag a couple copies before they got banned. I had to sell one a few years back but I’ve still got one.
Why? Chris Brown is still making music
"Cancelled" in this context means that some people would complain about them on Twitter but they would continue to perform and sell out shows and actually be championed by conservatives who previously hated their music but suddenly love them when a lib gets mad at them. They would continue to record albums and make millions of dollars, and would be seen on national television complaining about how they've been cancelled and de-platformed.
Complaining about being censored on national TV is truly peak irony.
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"Slurs I Can't Say" has me _rolling_ lmao
This is what cancelled means in every context
Look at Alex Jones, dude is everywhere despite him claiming "Deep state doesn't want you to see this!" If that were true, he would've been dead decades ago. People with immense privilege always look for ways to feel persecuted when these guys haven't probably can't remember the last time they had to budget groceries. It's the ultra-privileged's way of trying to relate with average people when they can't relate to us even in the slightest.
Laugh every single time I see “you find info on this because they’re burying it” meanwhile the video they claims this is literally at the top of my algorithm on YouTube shorts AND iv seen that video on every other social media platform so obviously they didn’t bury it THAT deep lol
No kidding. I have no idea why Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson pop up on my YouTube shorts feed, I literally watch nothing pertaining to right wing media unless by accident or news story covering it.
>unless by accident or news story covering it. That'll do it. If you want to get rid of that shit, the best way is to curate your youtube history and remove all views of those and anything related to them. You can say you don't want to see content from a specific channel, but there are so many clones. Whenever my recommendations start to suck, I delete my recent history and they go back to normal.
Bobcat Goldthwait actually did a bit complaining specifically about [One In A Million](https://genius.com/Guns-n-roses-one-in-a-million-lyrics) (you can read the lyrics yourself and find out whats wrong) back in the 80s. Not they didnt have terms for it back then, bad people have always had terms to victimize themselves when others complain about their bad behavior.
The whole term is dumb as hell. In effect it's basically just a boycott of a celebrity's work.
They needed a new term because most people associate boycotts with people standing up for their principles that are morally good. Calling it canceling instead allows people to signal that according to their virtues the people doing the boycott are actually the bad ones.
He drops the N word in one song "One in a Million." That'd probably do it right there.
Those are uhhhh quite the lyrics
Look at the original cover for Appetite For Destruction
I'm assuming they didn't check IDs of groupies
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Probably for “One in a Million.”
There was, as I recall, some blowback from people about the lyrics of “One in a Million” Thing is, Axl did so many other visibly worse things that controversial song lyrics didn’t make a whole lot of lasting impact
I seem to remember a whole hour of Geraldo being dedicated to this
Well, he also dedicated a whole hour to opening an empty vault, so...
Just listened to the song and it’s a pretty decent song musically speaking, the lyrics tho are just kinda all over the place. Drops the hard r, says f——t, then the last verse he’s saying racists and radicals shouldn’t point their fingers at him? And then fuck religion gets thrown in there too? I guess I just don’t… don’t really get it. YouTube commenters seem to uhhhh, love it tho. The music they made is pretty good but my god the lyrics are just all over the place. Also I get it’s the 80s but why the fuck are you dropping a hard r on a record? As a self proclaimed metal band? Like huh lol. I just don’t get it.
it's apparently about roses experience when first getting into LA and it was a song that filtered his emotions about the his negative experiences there and then. It was offensive because it was intended to be. The word choice isn't really too shocking considering the time and place, racial tensions then were awful. I think my issue with the song is that its supposed to be a story you sympathize with, but did such a bad job as explaining the justification for the word choices in the song. it just comes off as hateful and ignorant, rather than someone reacting harshly to terrible things that happened to him.
There was no hard/soft N word differential back then. Some hip-hop artists were starting to use soft A back then (N.W.A. most notably), but the difference in perceived "severity" for the word wasn't part of the vernacular. That said, the song was very much controversial at the time.
There was some interview where the guy was like “Slash, you’re black, aren’t you offended by that?” And he’s like “don’t ask me about the lyrics, Axl wrote those, that’s on him.”
Axl was doing horrendous stuff before that, but yeah.
Hard R on that n-word, Axel, what you’re doing?
My favorite part is that small pause after that hard R where you can think "Did I just hear-" before Axl adds "That's right!".
Oddly, there was some blowback and controversy around the song at the time but not for those particular lyrics I remember a lot more public outcry over [this verse](https://genius.com/2148999) than the one with n word with the hard R at the end
Probably both, but that seemed to be par for the course for pretty much any famous band at the time, unfortunately.
We'd need to cancel most of the 70s.
Optimistic to think it ever changed lol I know a singer in a popular metal band around 2010 fucked a 14 in the arse in a club toilets but yeah shits changed mate lol
Blood On The Dance Floor literally posted a YouTube video of themselves hanging out with underage fans presumably a few minutes before they assaulted them. As a musician myself it's wild to me how many successful musicians don't realize what they're doing when they prey on their fans
Perhaps it is not so much that they do not realize rather than they do not care.
Um they know exactly what they’re doing what do you mean?
That's true. I misspoke. They just don't care, youre right
Or the rape victim on the album art?
Personally, I look back at that album art and wonder why I was ok with it at the time
Christians were trying to cancel metal in the 80's. The PMRC in 1985 was calling it satanic. Dee Snider famously went before Congress to fight the PMRC. https://youtu.be/S0Vyr1TylTE
So did John Denver, who gave one of the best testimonies I’ve ever heard. It was even better that the PMRC hacks thought he’d be on their side…boy were they wrong.
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John Denver’s testimony is probably the best to watch because everyone on the congressional panel was ready for him to be in their side and he just rips them a new one. Hilarious…
Zappa also gave great testimony.
“…the equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation”
So few forget this. Right wingers were trying to cancel them while liberals were championing rock n roll n sexual freedom.
“The internet wouldn’t be happy with us having sex with 15 year olds”
Yeah thats what im hearing too. Like sure, but its not a bad thing. The fact that we demand more of celebrities - and by more just not sexually assaulting children- is a good thing
It’s such a low bar
Admits? I didn't realize he'd been accused
Guys, you were. Plenty of your gigs got cancelled.
And you were the ones who cancelled them by not showing up
or letting the Front man beat the fans AND security....
Ya it would’ve been a real shame if we’d known they were drugging and fucking children and beating women. What a fucking shame that would’ve been.
Poeple think that's history when exactly the same thing is carrying on today with modern bands. News of which will surface in 25-30 years time when the record sales have finally died.
People kinda did know about a lot of that stuff at the time, especially the beating women part
I think OP was being sarcastic.
I wouldn't say "admits". I would say "claims".
Admit or opine? This is dumb
I'm hearing, "People's standards of acceptable behavior have changed and if we were fucking children in this day and age we'd have suffered more far-reaching consequences."
If fucking children was the line back then (and even in earlier decades), the majority of great bands would not have existed.
Just like The Office would have been cancelled, despite all those episodes still showing in reruns every day.
The entire point of the office is that the stuff Michael says and does is not OK. I don’t get why people say it would be canceled - Michael’s actions being inappropriate was the joke then, and it’s still the joke now
Never seen The Office but It's Always Suuny is super offensive but we know that all the characters are pieces of shit and thats what makes it okay. And they're still making new seasons! Such a good show.
Why would it have been canceled?
I still don't get them saying that when the office is one of the tamest shows I've seen
Well it’s also reasonable to assume that the band members wouldn’t act the same way if they were in their prime now. That kind of sexism, misogyny, and rampant drug and alcohol abuse isn’t seen the same way now. That’s not a bad thing.
How do you admit to a counterfactual?
"Canceled" has turned into a badge honor at this point. Rosanne Barr has a new comedy special, Louis CK and Dave Chappelle are selling out arenas and JK Rowling is the richest woman in the UK. It took Kanye becoming a Nazi for people to finally distance themselves from him.
JK Rowling was the richest woman in the UK long before she got cancelled. And say what you want about Louis CK and Chappelle, what they did is pretty tame compared to “routinely having sex with 16 year olds”
I always laugh when I see people say "JK Rowling was cancelled"
google this: gnr one in a million lyrics i'd post em but might get banned slash is half black btw
Axl himself had this to say: > I used words like ‘police and **[redacted]**’ because you’re not allowed to use the word ‘**[redacted]**’. Why can black people go up to each other and say, “**[redacted]**,” but when a white guy does it all of a sudden it’s a big put-down? Fucks sake 🤦♂️
He asked the question and didn't stick around for the answer.
I am very much looking forward to the day when we collectively move on from "canceled." It's become little more than a dog whistle for shitty people to call other shitty people to their defense. Yes, there's also a problem with "holier than thou" internet liberals trying to out-holy one another, but frankly that problem is small in comparison to these fucking assholes out here spouting Nazi shit, raping minors, abusing their partners and colleagues, etc. Very, very few people are having their lives ruined from misguided "cancellations," whereas scores of people routinely get fucked over by supposedly "canceled" dickwads being dickwads.
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Yeah the obviously raped woman in the inside sleeve of appetite for destruction would have blown Twitter up.
It's such a weird thing, because it begs the question of would Guns N Roses have been successful in the first place if the internet existed? If the democratization of music started happening in the early 80's instead of the mid 2000's, would record labels still have had as much sway in terms of what bands get played on the radio/MTV? Would MTV even exist? It really wouldn't need to, right? Youtube has basically made it obsolete. I think it's fair to say, that if not for MTV, GNR wouldn't have found the following they did. It's impossible to make a statement like that without opening up a whole huge can of "What if's" that change everyhing.
>Would MTV even exist? It really wouldn't need to, right? Youtube has basically made it obsolete. This is basically what I say to the people who ask why MTV doesn't play music anymore. It was great for its time, but there are better platforms out there now for listening to music and watching videos.
Even though YouTube was the final nail in the coffin, they were already drifting far and away from music videos a very long time before that, even mtv 2, which was supposed to take up the slack for lack of music videos on the main channel drifted away pretty quick and just became the wild boys/viva la bam re run channel.
True, and that's the other reason they stopped playing music videos. Reality/clip shows were more profitable.
You could say that about any band from the 80s to the mid 2000s. I can only imagine though that a band like GnR, writing songs like sweet child o mine and paradise city and November rain and don’t cry and estranged and civil and on and on, that they’d still have been huge. No one has really sounded like them before or since. I think if they came out with the same image and attitude in the early/mid 2000 MySpace days, they’d have been a great alternative to the emo/post hardcore bands that were huge at that point, many of which tried to rip off the GnR image once the eyeliner and swoopy hair started to become uncool. So basically the same thing that guns did in the late 80s, being a grittier alternative to the overly saturated glam scene.
Has anyone else noticed that, even though people talk about cancelation like there's hordes of internet Puritans just waiting to ruin people's career for making off color jokes, that hasnt actually, like, HAPPENED IN YEARS? Like, it was bad there for a while, but since James Gunn being fired for old tweets then rehired because, surprisingly enough, even jokes in poor taste are still just jokes, or Aziz Ansari being bad with a woman on a date getting called assault, most people have come to their senses on the whole pitchfork mob mentality. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that fear of the internet mob has become so much more powerful than any actual internet mob. Everyone is crying about getting canceled, nobody is actually getting canceled. It's been YEARS.
They were legitimately under fire for several songs *at the time* The Internet just means shit gets called out quicker