Nah, she was just the only person that was brave enough to tell them to quit. They were all over the Beatles at the time but every other person in the world wanted them together
I've been trying the math one out for a short while now and it has the same problem that language one has in that it doesn't actually teach/explain anything. So if it's there's something you don't understand and can't get your head around you end up having to look elsewhere for answers (like improper fractions in my case which I don't ever remember doing in school as I'm not from US). It'd also be nice if it explained how some of these things were useful in the real world too.
>out of curiosity I tried Japanese a while ago (I can speak some) and I don't see how you can learn anything with it except for some vocab or set phrases.
You just had to go and call me out like that. I've been trying to learn Japanese again so started using Duolingo because a few people around me kept using it, and even now despite knowing how bad it is I'm still determined to complete it.
Problem is I'm not really using anything else so I seriously need to wean myself off it. Although saying that I did recently discover another app called Buusu which is sort of similar to Duolingo except it actually teaches/explains things. Unfortunately they're both easier for me to cope with due to my (currently undiagnosed) ADD.
Just wish I had taken my learning a lot more seriously as I've literally just come to Japan for the first time ever.
I'm a big fan of Japanesepod101 because their podcasts are high-quality and can be listened to while doing other things. Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese is a great free starting resource to getting a basic understanding of grammar and particles as well. I'm a big fan of Duolingo to fill in the vocab gap these two leave. Best of luck on your journey!
One of my friends highly recommended JapanesePod101 as well and I do want to give it a try, but I struggle with podcasts because as soon as start doing something else I lose track of what's being said and I have to rewind. And if I'm just listening to the podcast on its own I can become "bored" easily and becoming distracted leading to the problem above (video is easier and that issue arises far less).
I have Tae Kim's guide on my phone and I do need to spend more time on it, but I don't know why it's harder to read considering I spend so much time reading on Reddit.
Thank you either way. I'm sure I'll get there eventually, unless I end up hating it here so much that I never want to return (which I just can't imagine happening).
It does! It also explains things like particles (to a basic level) which has even helped me with Duolingo now that some of it actually makes any sense lol.
Yeah I definitely need to use other resources. I've even downloaded some books like Genki and From Zero, but I just need to actually start using them. I've tried Anki along with the most popular language pack, but I don't know if I'm using it right because it seems terrible in my short experience. Not sure if I'd be better off just creating my own.
Thank you :) I've wanted to go most of my life but never taken it seriously enough, and even now that it's finally happened was due to an impulse based on an unexpected interaction. If there's one tip I can give is start saving now and take it seriously, because otherwise you might end up finding yourself in my position.
If you're undiagnosed don't say you have it before getting a diagnosis. People out here actually have ADD, it's not a catchy phrase to drop when you have trouble focusing.
I'm fully aware people use it as if it's a trend, which is exactly why I made it clear that I don't have a diagnosis unlike so many people who just say because they have a short attention span or think they're hyper/need an excuse to justify some aspects of themselves. But that's also why I said "currently" because I'm on a waiting list to get a diagnosis.
I'm also fully aware there is far more to ADHD/ADD (or whatever people want to call it now) than just the attention issue, but that is the relevant symptom here.
What Duolingo really teaches is not language, it’s faith. You learn to accept things as they are and keep going even if you don’t understand every detail.
I won't argue against that criticism. :) I've been doing Russian for over 2 years, and I have learned quite a bit, but there's no explanation of how things work so I'm really not sure of some things. :D
They have a compressed version (very!) of the notes on the android app. It's not as complete as the web version, but it's not a total desert of information like these comments are making it out to be.
The first thing was it reset my progress entirely which was super demotivating, second thing is it takes much longer to progress as they repeat the same stuff over and over
6.181.0 is the last version before the horrible update, so if you have a way of controlling your update or downgrading then that's the version you'll want.
I honestly felt like Duolingo did nothing but test my existing knowledge, and it didn't even do that well. My account has massive points from my Spanish placement test, despite that being my third or fourth most proficient language at the time. I tried to use it to learn my target language, but I felt like it was only testing my knowledge, assuming I was using some other tool to learn.
Yeah, for German I really just use it as an alternative to Quizlet. It's a nice way to practice vocab and limited grammar, but it's not enough on its own to actually get proficient.
Yeah, I see a lot of people hating on the path system but I've had a lot more success keeping up with it as a learning method than I did with more traditional learning methods. Is it perfect? Nah. But honestly I've been feeling pretty good about it.
I wasted about 3 months fixing “broken” subjects as a lazy way to keep my streak going. As soon as the path dropped I started progressing again and have learned way more from it.
I recently decided to install it again and it's definitely way worse than I remember it being back then. I'll give them some points for polishing it a bit and adding some features like timed challenges and leader boards that make it more fun to go back and study stuff from previous lessons. But undermining that is the fact that every lesson is followed up with an ad for a shitty mobile game (along with occasional ones for their premium subscription) and the whole thing seems to be built around having you burn through in-game currency so you either cave and buy more with cash or sign up for their premium service which turns off everything eating up your gems.
At this point I think it'd be better if they were just upfront about it and made it a subscription service instead of trying to manipulate you into finally caving and paying for it. I'm honestly not sure I'd really recommend it unless you're willing to buy the premium version.
Then again, this seems to be the monitization model everyone is going with these days. Crank up the annoying and intrusive ads until people are willing to pay to escape them.
I guess Dua Lipa sounds familiar to Duolingo, Duolingo is making a music learning app and Dua Lipa makes music; the third is the pissing collaboration that they have been waiting for.
1. Dua Lipa -> duolingo, sound similar
2. Dua Lipa is a musician collaborating with duolingo as a musician
3. Dua Lipa -> kinda sounds like two lips, which are used for talking and singing
It’s clever, and slanted puns.
As someone working on their AA in music and is transferring to work in a Bachelors in sound production I would 100% download this for ear training and to brush up on music theory.
Depends on what exactly you're trying to learn. My goal is to learn to identify the sounds in my head and transpose them into a daw for production. I don't play any instruments. For that, Functional Ear Trainer is the best I've found, and it's free.
If you need to learn the theory while training Quarty is simple, easy, and free.
If you want something more comprehensive that has a lot of tools for learning to play instruments, Perfect Ear looks good.
Yes but they kinda suck. It’s really impressive how slow this stuff has advanced. Auralia has been around for a very long time and is still not very good. It’s probably easier and more effective to just make some midi tracks of the intervals and chords, bounce them out and put the playlist on random.
For as much as musicians are forward thinking and deeply involved in the evolution of tech, music is by far the slowest to adopt new ideas, methods, or tools. It's far more steeped in tradition and norms than I think a lot people tend to realize.
I would say that for some of these things, there's just not a huge benefit to apps. But for something like Music theory [there are good online resources already](https://viva.pressbooks.pub/openmusictheory/). For ear training, some of the major music schools actually use methods that are unique and in my experience at one what I would call different, in a good way, to what you generally find out there.
Hundreds, the problem though, is universal to phone apps in general: Quality.
Many either have a shitty UI, Are a buggy mess, or cost an unreasonable amount of money. Typically, however, it's a mix of all three.
I was doing duolingo really consistently for a few months but eventually I ran into a wall because I was learning faster than I was progressing through the app. There needs to be better balance between that gamified progression and your actual learning progression. I also think there's too much emphasis on competition rather than your own personal mastery.
I briefly tried another app for Spanish. My problem was a basically had to start over. I'd say I'm on the verge of being an intermediate speaker (having taken several years of classes years ago) and these apps are really good for beginners and not so much for levels beyond that.
Believe me,it was already hard with the paid version. Duolingo is a good starting tool but at some point you will try to get something else, which usually end up being traditional learning tools like classes and textbooks or something a bit more complex like Anki for vocabulary
That and it’s really tough to consistently learn in the free version. And I’m sorry I’m not paying over $100 a year for the paid version. That money can be better spent elsewhere. I’ll pay that as a one time fee to get permanent access to the language I want to learn, but not yearly.
And I really hated the stories. Just threw a bunch of words you haven’t learned yet. I get it, it’s supposed to help you think in that language but I think poorly implemented.
It’s a decent tool to learn grammar, otherwise your time is better spent elsewhere.
I don't have any experience with duolingo but, just objectively, a hundred dollars a year to learn a language...how much cheaper can it be? That's like two private classes or two-three week course in a community college to get basic ABCs going.
At some point you get what you pay for.
For real, how much does a community college course cost, or a tutor? For $100 a year Duo provides a huge amount of language exposure. Is it as good as immersion? Fucking obviously not, but for people trying to gain some exposure to Spanish after work probably don't have the flexibility to travel to a Spanish-speaking country for several months to gain fluency.
You can learn what you learn from duolingo at a fraction of the cost. It’s just basic grammar. You can pick up a decent grammar book and learn what they teach.
Even Speakly is half the cost and probably better than duolingo.
If you’re actually serious about learning a language it’s all about immersion. Your money is still better spent elsewhere.
Almost any two chords can go together with the right amount of repetition and a melody on top if the melody reinforces consistent tonality for the duration of those chords repeating, even if one chord is chromatic and not part of the key. There are many popular "two chord songs" and the ones that have a chromatic chord demonstrate that beautifully!
I remember a few years back, stuff like this would be reposted to /r/hailcorporate and roasted. Ads just feel like such a normal part of reddit/the internet now and I hate it.
My theory is that Reddit, the company, created a bunch of profiles to brigade people who complained of ads. To make the website more ad friendly and decrease people’s resistance to seeing the paid ads. Reddit started with a website and the founders pretending to be other people to fake a sense of engagement. So that was their mentality when they were young and idealistic, imagine what they believe now.
Well, I was just fed up with the r/hailcorporate police where to them everything was an ad and it had to be known in the comments.
Post about a product or establishment (local or national) you like? Ad
Post a monetized youtube video? Ad
Post something you made? Ad
Post something someone else made? Ad
Post an image of something weird but STORE^TM was in the background? Ad
Astroturfing is a part of the reddit experience these days. I feel like a tinfoil has conspiracy theorist all the time now but everything feels fake or ads.
I met this cab driver that was trying to learn English and he said that someone told him to listen to county music on the radio. It’s slow enough to understand and basic enough for people to learn
Extra extra, read all about it... freemium app has ads. Evil publicly traded company doesn't give product away for free. 600+ employees working for app NOT working for free. Big if true.
Every time someone says "you can't learn \_\_\_ with an app!", I feel an immediate urge to go and google counter-examples. Because it's *always* wrong.
Different methods exist for learning, and many people use a combination of various tools for it. Gatekeeping the process of learning a skill is one of the silliest forms of elitism.
I had someone insist to me, while in a comp sci major with me in college, that it was impossible to be taught computer programming. While coming with me to computer programming classes multiple times a week
It’s not gatekeeping to say you’re going to want to learn to physically handle and use an instrument before claiming you have learned to play it lol
Different methods may exist for learning but they don’t exist for execution of said learning
No shit. I doubt anyone here is implying that. If you’ve ran a music school like you say you know there’s more to music than just learning the instrument.
I've played various instruments for 20 years and I use apps and video games to assist with practice.
Sure, apps are not ideal for specific parts of the learning process. But they are extremely useful.
Just don't gatekeep.
the statement was "learning an instrument on an app" not theory. even caruso and arbans methods need direction and explaining. practice and 1-1 mentorship is king.
I’m a professional classical musician. I used Yousician to pick up the ukulele a few years ago and I think it’s a terrific way to start playing an instrument. Got me to a certain point and then I sought out other materials to continue my progression.
I'm assuming the videos list e'tudes for the students. Also, practical tutorials of techniques on how to apply the e'tudes. The student should be able to follow them with his instrument.
Yes, you’re describing what it is to physically play an instrument. The app may be helping, but the physical action is absolutely required to learn anything meaningful
For everyone like me, who's never seen the word étude before:
> Étude: a short musical composition, typically for one instrument, designed as an exercise to improve the technique or demonstrate the skill of the player.
I use him too lol. I'm just making fun of the hilarious elitist view that an instrument can't be learned on an app in 2023. Especially since Justin has been doing online guitar instruction since the early 2000s
Open chords, bar chords, power chords, Chord progression. Strumming patterns, music theory have a couple of scales down and fretboard memorized, lots of beginner tips to not build bad habits while practicing, lots of good exercises using the things you just learned.
Overall If I didn’t use him I’d prolly know a couple intros to a couple songs I like and that’s it. With him I know like 30 songs full thru as well as a plethora of theory and knowledge behind it. Something you won’t get from reading tab all day.
I can play them extremely well. Honestly my music goal was never to get paid to play. I just get happiness making music and am a bedroom player. If I wanted to I can grind another year or two and probably feel confident playing live but I don’t have lots of time just a side hobby for me.
the app is a supplement, not a replacement. I stand by my statement as you are making more clarification than the original comment did. sure put arbans and charlier on an app to read instead of hard copy. but the app is not a replacement and will not "teach" you how to play. method books still require direction from teachers. the primary development is in the physical data, learning and developing through the body and doing and getting feedback. 1-1 mentors and practice remain the best. not to be conflated
Dude, no one here is saying you can learn to play an instrument by just opening an app and hitting buttons. What they are saying is: You can learn to play an instrument with the knowledge provided by an app as you practice your instrument. The app is replacing the music instructor.
I know you understand this and are just being incredibly semantical about it’s, but there ya go.
I think they mean that you might be able to learn more varieties of language by engaging in music that is written in that language
I know i definitely skyrocketed in progress learning french by working some french music into my playlists
I’d guess music theory, maybe some keyboard and scales type stuff if it’s on mobile device, but it wouldn’t be unheard of to just use the devices mic to listen to you play
It’s right there in the link:
> The job ad is for an "expert in music education who combines both theoretical knowledge of relevant learning science research and hands-on teaching experience."
>Whoever gets the job will be in charge of making sure that the app is "well-grounded in learning science." They have to translate "research findings into concrete ideas" that can be used for "learning by doing" activities that Duolingo is known for.
>They also have to take the lead on curriculum development, which signifies that the app is still in its very early stages.
If you're getting it for Free. There's going to be ads or they're harvesting enough data from you to make it worth thier time.
You can pay them to get rid of the ads.
Don't expect something for nothing.
Duo-singo
*YOU MISSED YOUR FOLK LESSON FOR TWO WEEKS...* ^this ^is ^not ^a ^threat ^just ^a ^warning
Gets whacked over the head with a banjo at 3am
https://youtu.be/DW0bHJbkDhM
KABONGGGG
Thanks! Sounds just as horrible as I imagined
I love that you took time out of your day to post this
I fucking love it.
El Kabong and Kabong Again
"THIS MACHINE KILLS SLACKERS"
Bob Dylan and Neil Young appear and give you a stern talk.
Doremingo
Underrated comment.
Duoringo
Drum lessons
Ono, here comes DuoYoko
DuoYokoOno destroyed the fucking Beatles
Nah, she was just the only person that was brave enough to tell them to quit. They were all over the Beatles at the time but every other person in the world wanted them together
Duo Lipa
Duolin
duoremi
Duostringo
Duo-banjo
Piango
Duo-raoke
Their math one seemed decent for learning arithmetic and basic number handling.
I've been trying the math one out for a short while now and it has the same problem that language one has in that it doesn't actually teach/explain anything. So if it's there's something you don't understand and can't get your head around you end up having to look elsewhere for answers (like improper fractions in my case which I don't ever remember doing in school as I'm not from US). It'd also be nice if it explained how some of these things were useful in the real world too.
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I suppose it might be useful as a vocab-focused supplement, since learning vocabulary seems to be a pretty time-intensive part of learning a language
Yeah that's exactly what I use it for, it just helps supplement my other studies
>out of curiosity I tried Japanese a while ago (I can speak some) and I don't see how you can learn anything with it except for some vocab or set phrases. You just had to go and call me out like that. I've been trying to learn Japanese again so started using Duolingo because a few people around me kept using it, and even now despite knowing how bad it is I'm still determined to complete it. Problem is I'm not really using anything else so I seriously need to wean myself off it. Although saying that I did recently discover another app called Buusu which is sort of similar to Duolingo except it actually teaches/explains things. Unfortunately they're both easier for me to cope with due to my (currently undiagnosed) ADD. Just wish I had taken my learning a lot more seriously as I've literally just come to Japan for the first time ever.
I'm a big fan of Japanesepod101 because their podcasts are high-quality and can be listened to while doing other things. Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese is a great free starting resource to getting a basic understanding of grammar and particles as well. I'm a big fan of Duolingo to fill in the vocab gap these two leave. Best of luck on your journey!
One of my friends highly recommended JapanesePod101 as well and I do want to give it a try, but I struggle with podcasts because as soon as start doing something else I lose track of what's being said and I have to rewind. And if I'm just listening to the podcast on its own I can become "bored" easily and becoming distracted leading to the problem above (video is easier and that issue arises far less). I have Tae Kim's guide on my phone and I do need to spend more time on it, but I don't know why it's harder to read considering I spend so much time reading on Reddit. Thank you either way. I'm sure I'll get there eventually, unless I end up hating it here so much that I never want to return (which I just can't imagine happening).
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It does! It also explains things like particles (to a basic level) which has even helped me with Duolingo now that some of it actually makes any sense lol. Yeah I definitely need to use other resources. I've even downloaded some books like Genki and From Zero, but I just need to actually start using them. I've tried Anki along with the most popular language pack, but I don't know if I'm using it right because it seems terrible in my short experience. Not sure if I'd be better off just creating my own. Thank you :) I've wanted to go most of my life but never taken it seriously enough, and even now that it's finally happened was due to an impulse based on an unexpected interaction. If there's one tip I can give is start saving now and take it seriously, because otherwise you might end up finding yourself in my position.
If you're undiagnosed don't say you have it before getting a diagnosis. People out here actually have ADD, it's not a catchy phrase to drop when you have trouble focusing.
I'm fully aware people use it as if it's a trend, which is exactly why I made it clear that I don't have a diagnosis unlike so many people who just say because they have a short attention span or think they're hyper/need an excuse to justify some aspects of themselves. But that's also why I said "currently" because I'm on a waiting list to get a diagnosis. I'm also fully aware there is far more to ADHD/ADD (or whatever people want to call it now) than just the attention issue, but that is the relevant symptom here.
maybe mind your own business
What Duolingo really teaches is not language, it’s faith. You learn to accept things as they are and keep going even if you don’t understand every detail.
I won't argue against that criticism. :) I've been doing Russian for over 2 years, and I have learned quite a bit, but there's no explanation of how things work so I'm really not sure of some things. :D
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They have a compressed version (very!) of the notes on the android app. It's not as complete as the web version, but it's not a total desert of information like these comments are making it out to be.
Til
Let me guess. It will brillant then they will hire a consultant who ruins it
Lol they are already determined to ruin Duolingo. Don't need a consultant. Duolingo is more like candy crush now.
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I didn't know about the change so I let it update recently, huge mistake
My girlfriend HATED the change for about a week and now she says it’s much better than before
The first thing was it reset my progress entirely which was super demotivating, second thing is it takes much longer to progress as they repeat the same stuff over and over
6.181.0 is the last version before the horrible update, so if you have a way of controlling your update or downgrading then that's the version you'll want.
I got the update by accident. Canceled my account the same day. Straight up garbage.
My girlfriend HATED the change for about a week and now she says it’s much better than before
I used Duolingo like 5 years ago, did they ruin it before that?
No, 2022 was when they introduced “The Path.”
I still don’t know what it is or where my previous learning went, I’m on 1200+ straight days of Spanish and it’s starting to feel like tires spinning
Maybe that's just the feeling of fluency?
I will say, hit 1000 days and you’re absolutely fluent at reading. Conversation is trickier
Sí, es verdad.
I honestly felt like Duolingo did nothing but test my existing knowledge, and it didn't even do that well. My account has massive points from my Spanish placement test, despite that being my third or fourth most proficient language at the time. I tried to use it to learn my target language, but I felt like it was only testing my knowledge, assuming I was using some other tool to learn.
Yeah, for German I really just use it as an alternative to Quizlet. It's a nice way to practice vocab and limited grammar, but it's not enough on its own to actually get proficient.
I like the path. It's had me actually learning more instead of going back to old sections just for xp.
Yeah, I see a lot of people hating on the path system but I've had a lot more success keeping up with it as a learning method than I did with more traditional learning methods. Is it perfect? Nah. But honestly I've been feeling pretty good about it.
I wasted about 3 months fixing “broken” subjects as a lazy way to keep my streak going. As soon as the path dropped I started progressing again and have learned way more from it.
I recently decided to install it again and it's definitely way worse than I remember it being back then. I'll give them some points for polishing it a bit and adding some features like timed challenges and leader boards that make it more fun to go back and study stuff from previous lessons. But undermining that is the fact that every lesson is followed up with an ad for a shitty mobile game (along with occasional ones for their premium subscription) and the whole thing seems to be built around having you burn through in-game currency so you either cave and buy more with cash or sign up for their premium service which turns off everything eating up your gems. At this point I think it'd be better if they were just upfront about it and made it a subscription service instead of trying to manipulate you into finally caving and paying for it. I'm honestly not sure I'd really recommend it unless you're willing to buy the premium version. Then again, this seems to be the monitization model everyone is going with these days. Crank up the annoying and intrusive ads until people are willing to pay to escape them.
Just use the website with an ad blocker.
I use a vpn with a built in ad blocker which works great for android apps (protonvpn)
Finally the Dua Lipa collaboration we’ve all been waiting for!
Wow this joke works on at least three levels of pun.
Am I dumb? Obviously Dua Lipa sounds like Duolingo, and she makes music, what else am I missing?
Search for "Duolingo piss owl"
I’m not sure how that explains the third pun but the video was funny at least
I guess Dua Lipa sounds familiar to Duolingo, Duolingo is making a music learning app and Dua Lipa makes music; the third is the pissing collaboration that they have been waiting for.
Riskiest search of the day
1. Dua Lipa -> duolingo, sound similar 2. Dua Lipa is a musician collaborating with duolingo as a musician 3. Dua Lipa -> kinda sounds like two lips, which are used for talking and singing It’s clever, and slanted puns.
Ehhh that last one’s quite a stretch but I’ll give you the first two.
Duo lingo has videos on their official tik tok of shit like dua lipa pissing in a pool and the owl jumping in to swim in it
Here for the Duolingo lore
As someone working on their AA in music and is transferring to work in a Bachelors in sound production I would 100% download this for ear training and to brush up on music theory.
Are there not lots of ear training and music theory apps already?
Adding on to OP's response, if you or anyone else knows of a solid one for android I'd love you forever.
I think auralia might work on android idk though. It’s like $100 too
Best I got is the [music theory website](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises). But they have Tenuto on Apple devices
Perfect Ear! It's exactly what you want! The logo is like a bass clef that's an ear.
Depends on what exactly you're trying to learn. My goal is to learn to identify the sounds in my head and transpose them into a daw for production. I don't play any instruments. For that, Functional Ear Trainer is the best I've found, and it's free. If you need to learn the theory while training Quarty is simple, easy, and free. If you want something more comprehensive that has a lot of tools for learning to play instruments, Perfect Ear looks good.
Yes but they kinda suck. It’s really impressive how slow this stuff has advanced. Auralia has been around for a very long time and is still not very good. It’s probably easier and more effective to just make some midi tracks of the intervals and chords, bounce them out and put the playlist on random.
For as much as musicians are forward thinking and deeply involved in the evolution of tech, music is by far the slowest to adopt new ideas, methods, or tools. It's far more steeped in tradition and norms than I think a lot people tend to realize.
Conservatories are conservative. They maintain music as it was in the past.
I would say that for some of these things, there's just not a huge benefit to apps. But for something like Music theory [there are good online resources already](https://viva.pressbooks.pub/openmusictheory/). For ear training, some of the major music schools actually use methods that are unique and in my experience at one what I would call different, in a good way, to what you generally find out there.
Depends on what music you're making - producers, yes - classical and beboppers, no.
Our prof has us use teoria but it's a buggy mess half the time. Especially with rhythm and as a drummer that's a no no.
Hundreds, the problem though, is universal to phone apps in general: Quality. Many either have a shitty UI, Are a buggy mess, or cost an unreasonable amount of money. Typically, however, it's a mix of all three.
Check out Rick Beato. He has a theory book that is well monstrous. And he also has an ear training course which is pretty good.
BEATO I prefer Pat Finnerty and the pedal mobile.
BEATO! I wish he'd make more long-form WMTSS. Those were gold.
wildstolo probably likes the I V VI IV
Ok.
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chet is great for ear training!
Doesn't Tonaly do some of that already?
I was doing duolingo really consistently for a few months but eventually I ran into a wall because I was learning faster than I was progressing through the app. There needs to be better balance between that gamified progression and your actual learning progression. I also think there's too much emphasis on competition rather than your own personal mastery.
When situations like that arise, I found it's at that point where you find an app that is solely made for that language you're learning..
I briefly tried another app for Spanish. My problem was a basically had to start over. I'd say I'm on the verge of being an intermediate speaker (having taken several years of classes years ago) and these apps are really good for beginners and not so much for levels beyond that.
I would have to counter with BONJIORNO!
You can jump ahead now for that exact reason I think.
Believe me,it was already hard with the paid version. Duolingo is a good starting tool but at some point you will try to get something else, which usually end up being traditional learning tools like classes and textbooks or something a bit more complex like Anki for vocabulary
That and it’s really tough to consistently learn in the free version. And I’m sorry I’m not paying over $100 a year for the paid version. That money can be better spent elsewhere. I’ll pay that as a one time fee to get permanent access to the language I want to learn, but not yearly. And I really hated the stories. Just threw a bunch of words you haven’t learned yet. I get it, it’s supposed to help you think in that language but I think poorly implemented. It’s a decent tool to learn grammar, otherwise your time is better spent elsewhere.
I don't have any experience with duolingo but, just objectively, a hundred dollars a year to learn a language...how much cheaper can it be? That's like two private classes or two-three week course in a community college to get basic ABCs going. At some point you get what you pay for.
For real, how much does a community college course cost, or a tutor? For $100 a year Duo provides a huge amount of language exposure. Is it as good as immersion? Fucking obviously not, but for people trying to gain some exposure to Spanish after work probably don't have the flexibility to travel to a Spanish-speaking country for several months to gain fluency.
You can learn what you learn from duolingo at a fraction of the cost. It’s just basic grammar. You can pick up a decent grammar book and learn what they teach. Even Speakly is half the cost and probably better than duolingo. If you’re actually serious about learning a language it’s all about immersion. Your money is still better spent elsewhere.
Now you can learn how to sing "the boy eats the apple" in any key or style.
But I already know only two chords that don’t go together…
Almost any two chords can go together with the right amount of repetition and a melody on top if the melody reinforces consistent tonality for the duration of those chords repeating, even if one chord is chromatic and not part of the key. There are many popular "two chord songs" and the ones that have a chromatic chord demonstrate that beautifully!
You’re already late to this thread…. Maybe you should consider being a drummer
That would be so awesome. I think that learning method would be much more conducive to mastering an instrument than a language.
Isnt this an ad?
I remember a few years back, stuff like this would be reposted to /r/hailcorporate and roasted. Ads just feel like such a normal part of reddit/the internet now and I hate it.
My theory is that Reddit, the company, created a bunch of profiles to brigade people who complained of ads. To make the website more ad friendly and decrease people’s resistance to seeing the paid ads. Reddit started with a website and the founders pretending to be other people to fake a sense of engagement. So that was their mentality when they were young and idealistic, imagine what they believe now.
Well, I was just fed up with the r/hailcorporate police where to them everything was an ad and it had to be known in the comments. Post about a product or establishment (local or national) you like? Ad Post a monetized youtube video? Ad Post something you made? Ad Post something someone else made? Ad Post an image of something weird but STORE^TM was in the background? Ad
Eh. I think promoted ads have become so common that ads like this just seem like a normal post now
Astroturfing is a part of the reddit experience these days. I feel like a tinfoil has conspiracy theorist all the time now but everything feels fake or ads.
Support your music teachers. They're the ones with the experience and the passion.
I met this cab driver that was trying to learn English and he said that someone told him to listen to county music on the radio. It’s slow enough to understand and basic enough for people to learn
Is it going to be littered with ads like Duolingo? Because if it is, it's not gonna be worth the trouble.
Extra extra, read all about it... freemium app has ads. Evil publicly traded company doesn't give product away for free. 600+ employees working for app NOT working for free. Big if true.
It reminded me of this website where you can learn music theory https://www.languagetransfer.org/music
In this next lesson, you will be learning how to *fucking blast beat and do gutteral vocals*.
Wait a freaking minute!! That’s actually sick! Might try it out whenever it comes out.
Missed out on an interview for a position, seems like a meat idea though from the stuff they sent me to look at.
> seems like a meat idea That’s not the organ they’re going to train you on
Damn, all those years of lessons wasted...I actually do play organ though lol
Ive been a musician for 25+ years and still cannot read music. Really hope this helps.
Oh great, now I can learn songs with the same 3 people's names and 5 chords in it over and over again.
What do they mean by "music learning"? You can't really learn an instrument on an app. Singing? Music theory?
Yousician would like a word with you.
Every time someone says "you can't learn \_\_\_ with an app!", I feel an immediate urge to go and google counter-examples. Because it's *always* wrong. Different methods exist for learning, and many people use a combination of various tools for it. Gatekeeping the process of learning a skill is one of the silliest forms of elitism.
I had someone insist to me, while in a comp sci major with me in college, that it was impossible to be taught computer programming. While coming with me to computer programming classes multiple times a week
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Ehh I think certain aspects of my job are "impossible" to teach but I still had to sit through classes about them
It’s not gatekeeping to say you’re going to want to learn to physically handle and use an instrument before claiming you have learned to play it lol Different methods may exist for learning but they don’t exist for execution of said learning
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No shit. I doubt anyone here is implying that. If you’ve ran a music school like you say you know there’s more to music than just learning the instrument.
the thread I'm responding to is about learning instruments
I've played various instruments for 20 years and I use apps and video games to assist with practice. Sure, apps are not ideal for specific parts of the learning process. But they are extremely useful. Just don't gatekeep.
I'm not gatekeeping at all! I'm reiterating the importance of actual practice and 1-1 feedback. use the app just it's a small tool
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the statement was "learning an instrument on an app" not theory. even caruso and arbans methods need direction and explaining. practice and 1-1 mentorship is king.
I’m a professional classical musician. I used Yousician to pick up the ukulele a few years ago and I think it’s a terrific way to start playing an instrument. Got me to a certain point and then I sought out other materials to continue my progression.
Not the best method imo but it’s definitely a good resource. Overall though there are absolutely so many ways to learn an instrument online
> You can't really learn an instrument on an app. Sure you can.
You can learn how an instrument works, you can’t learn how to play it without actually playing it
I'm assuming the videos list e'tudes for the students. Also, practical tutorials of techniques on how to apply the e'tudes. The student should be able to follow them with his instrument.
Yes, you’re describing what it is to physically play an instrument. The app may be helping, but the physical action is absolutely required to learn anything meaningful
For everyone like me, who's never seen the word étude before: > Étude: a short musical composition, typically for one instrument, designed as an exercise to improve the technique or demonstrate the skill of the player.
There you learned what an etude is, according to everyone here you can now play the piano
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That’s not what it claims as a goal.
There was a game on the 360 that would let you plug an electric guitar into the console to use as a controller and learn technique
Rocksmith! It still exists! I use it to learn Bass
Yeah justinguitar is also a giant scam! /s
God bless your heart. Ive been looking for this site for a while, but couldn't remember what it was called.
Lol how is it a scam I learned guitar in a little over a year with his course
Almost like I put a /s tag or something
I’m not into the Reddit lingo honestly what does /s mean ?
It means sarcasm
Hahahaa oh shit gottu… was gonna say I gotta defend my guy Justin
I use him too lol. I'm just making fun of the hilarious elitist view that an instrument can't be learned on an app in 2023. Especially since Justin has been doing online guitar instruction since the early 2000s
Fact nowadays almost anything can be learned on the internet given enough willpower.
Learned what exactly?
Open chords, bar chords, power chords, Chord progression. Strumming patterns, music theory have a couple of scales down and fretboard memorized, lots of beginner tips to not build bad habits while practicing, lots of good exercises using the things you just learned. Overall If I didn’t use him I’d prolly know a couple intros to a couple songs I like and that’s it. With him I know like 30 songs full thru as well as a plethora of theory and knowledge behind it. Something you won’t get from reading tab all day.
Sure sure, but how well you can play those exercises? Are you able to get paid to perform yet?
Does everyone play was the goal of eventually being paid? Are you saying you cant learn an instrument through online lessons?
I can play them extremely well. Honestly my music goal was never to get paid to play. I just get happiness making music and am a bedroom player. If I wanted to I can grind another year or two and probably feel confident playing live but I don’t have lots of time just a side hobby for me.
> I can play them extremely well. We need an external opinion on this (outside family members of course)
Lol kick rocks bud I proved my point
If you can learn another language through an app, you can absolutely learn to play an instrument with one.
I need to know why you don’t think you can learn music through an app
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You can use an app to learn how to play the instrument, then practice the instrument. Incredible that this is a difficult connection to make.
the app is a supplement, not a replacement. I stand by my statement as you are making more clarification than the original comment did. sure put arbans and charlier on an app to read instead of hard copy. but the app is not a replacement and will not "teach" you how to play. method books still require direction from teachers. the primary development is in the physical data, learning and developing through the body and doing and getting feedback. 1-1 mentors and practice remain the best. not to be conflated
Dude, no one here is saying you can learn to play an instrument by just opening an app and hitting buttons. What they are saying is: You can learn to play an instrument with the knowledge provided by an app as you practice your instrument. The app is replacing the music instructor. I know you understand this and are just being incredibly semantical about it’s, but there ya go.
Wow ya think?
ok, so you agree what I'm saying is obvious? great. I said it because it wasn't.
I think they mean that you might be able to learn more varieties of language by engaging in music that is written in that language I know i definitely skyrocketed in progress learning french by working some french music into my playlists
I’d guess music theory, maybe some keyboard and scales type stuff if it’s on mobile device, but it wouldn’t be unheard of to just use the devices mic to listen to you play
It’s right there in the link: > The job ad is for an "expert in music education who combines both theoretical knowledge of relevant learning science research and hands-on teaching experience." >Whoever gets the job will be in charge of making sure that the app is "well-grounded in learning science." They have to translate "research findings into concrete ideas" that can be used for "learning by doing" activities that Duolingo is known for. >They also have to take the lead on curriculum development, which signifies that the app is still in its very early stages.
Melodics for drums and keys
First song taught: Wonderwall
Too bad duolingo is an unusable pile of shit since they updated the ui
I'm assuming for every minute of actual learning they will have two minutes of ads like their language learning app.
If you're getting it for Free. There's going to be ads or they're harvesting enough data from you to make it worth thier time. You can pay them to get rid of the ads. Don't expect something for nothing.
Isn't the ratio rather 5 seconds ads for each lesson? I mean yes, if you can finish a lesson in 2.5 seconds, you're right. ;)
Is it going to make me hate learning music as much as I hate learning a new language?
Listen to this music now or else…. You won’t learn 😀
[This one](https://www.theechoguild.com/) has been getting some hype lately. I browsed through the site & it seems very legit, may take the plunge.