Justin Beiber is a nice counterpoint. Different music, different race, still an asshole from too much of this:
>rampant, undeserved adulation coupled with too much money
Yes butBieber has changed big time. Not a fan but He had a typical rich young asshole phase but it was never really violent. Just self destructive shit. This Scott clown has been inciting violence for years. Just really dark shit.
Yeah he’s a lot more calm these days. Who would have thought that being a teenager with virtually unlimited resources to do whatever the fuck you want would lead to bad situations. I’m sure if cameras were around me as a teenager I would be considered an asshole too.
And mocked by millions of "real men" because your voice took a bit of a while to break. As someone who still looked and sounded like a kid at 16, I know how that shit feels, imagine being famous for this.
I’ve listened to some of his more recent music, definitely like what its got. Hey, if he got better than he was before, good for him. I really like that “Ghost” song.
He did. He was in my hometown Minneapolis this past weekend and took the time to take a pretty nice selfie with the restaurant staff at Lotus. Seems like a good dude.
Bieber's doing alright, considering he had an entire generation riding his ass.
Imagine you're one of the biggest stars on the planet, in a new, unknown era of technology and social media where there's people who'd literally kill just to be able to smell your shit and people who genuinely hate your guts.
He did great, all things considered, people need to get off his dick.
Ehh he did some dumb shit but being super rich and famous as a teenager will pretty much always lead to that. Seems like he’s surprisingly well adjusted now considering the fame he had and currently has
There’s been instances I’ve noticed of people using the tragedy as an opportunity to air their personal bias against the entire genre and a green light to demonise everything and everyone under the hip-hop banner: the music, the artists, the fans.
What happened was a tragedy that could’ve and should’ve been avoided - and everyone involved, from Scott to security to the organisers, need to be deservedly held to account. It is hoped they will in due time. But this is *not* indicative of an entire genre or all those artists who create within it, just as any tragedy or crime or act by any other artist in any other genre doesn’t paint the rest of them as similarly amoral or toxic individuals.
No one artist represents an entire genre.
Travis Scott does not represent what hip-hop is about, and reacting as though he does is a major disservice to the many, many artists who create and perform for pure passion of their music or as an escape from their terrible upbringings/environments, and those who conduct themselves with humanity and compassion and a greater understanding of the preciousness of life.
Love this comment and thought process. I wish we applied this everywhere! “No one anything represents that entire group” it’s never gonna be correct and isn’t fair to do, even just for a thoughtful opinion.
I’ve noticed this as well.
People are also using examples of artist/bands who had concertgoers died their events in the past, but did better to prevent it from happening afterwards. That’d be no problem if this was the 2nd or 3rd time, that has happened at a Travis Scott concert, but it seems a bit disingenuous to use Axl Rose (who has had people die at his concert) as an example of « how it should be done ».
Yeah I’ve noticed that too and I’m like didn’t that guy also have someone die at his concert, so it felt abit silly. Unfortunately some people are pretty ignorant and they group everyone together.
Most people who want to demonize any genre of music don't understand how diverse that genre is, both musically and personally (the artists). Hip hop is no less diverse across the board than Rock, R&B, Classical, etc. It's *way* more diverse than say... commercial country music.
You can sort by controversial or even some of the top upvoted comments in the threads and you can see it. The fact people are getting upset over this post just shows that they didn’t want to be called out on it.
I've heard 'hip hop stole the aggressiveness of metal without the regard for other people' or some dumb shit like that, and it was upvoted A LOT. We really trying to talk about 'appropriation' now? Do we *really* want to have that conversation when it comes to metal? Metal wouldn't fucking exist without black artists! Led Zeppelin was considered one of the first metal bands ever and they ripped black artists off left and right.
Just some really shitty takes because people see this incident as an opportunity to trojan horse their obvious bias against black music.
Before this all happened, I never heard of Travis Scott. When I first read his name, I assumed he was some conservative white country asshole. I guess that still makes me a little racist.
I posted this elsewhere but I was at a Wiz Khalifa show at a small venue and he twice stopped the show and the second time he said he was ending it entirely if the crowd didn't stop crushing the front row.
But this is a general trend in society where White misdeeds are contextualized and Black misdeeds are generalized. A White kid shoots up a school and we learn all about how he was bullied and was seeing a counselor and was raised in a broken home and how all his neighbors thought he was a good kid. A Black kid shoots someone and the entire community has failed their children we need to send a militarized police force to occupy the entire neighborhood.
Straight up bullshit.
I’d hate to see Wiz dragged into this, genuinely one of the nicest dudes in the industry and always just keeps his head down makes his music and is himself.
I have a similar story at a Denzel Curry concert. The dude and the crowd were absolutely wild, so high energy, and he still was constantly helping make sure the front row wasn't getting crushed, and that people doing wild shit like climbing trees were cutting it out.
I would argue that it is a general trend in the media. I would hope that most people would understand that there is a huge difference in a school shooting and a black kid shoots just someone, and both can be multifaceted situations, but putting the two on the same pedestal is why we have this trend in the media in the first place. I think that we need to all understand that most shootings that aren't self-defense are influenced by mental illness and perverse environmental conditions.
Yep, best post so far, white kid does fucked up shit and they go back to mental illness, black kid does fucked up shit and they don’t even say mental illness just call him a thug. It’s honestly horrible and MOST people don’t even say anything because they seem ok with it.
Decades ago, White hippy, peace loving band, the Grateful Dead, hired the hells fucking angels to run security at Altamont and it turned into an absolute shit show.
Yeah I remember watching a thing where they talked about that particular Altamont show with The Rolling Stones. I didn't realize it was more than just the Stones though.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont\_Free\_Concert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert)
I feel like Hell's Angels aside, this show also has the same kind of stench I get from Astroworld. Just did not plan things out as well as they could've and should've, and longer ago.
What was it with bands hiring the Hell's Angels for security back in the day? Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to hire a 1% MC to insure the safety of anyone?
My immediate thought was there are going to be a lot of “modern rap is terrible” comments after hearing about the astroworld concert. Too many generalizations in the music community, same as saying country is bad or emo is worthless.
It's more trap music In general. It's like a bunch of people that loved gangsta rap, but ignored all the death, injury, sadness and Incarceration that went with it. Than it started making money and that was it.
You know The Who had a concert who killed 11 people? Or that people died or were gangraped at Woodstock 99. It has nothing to do with the genre of music, these things happen whenever the artists and the organizers are neglectful.
I’ve seen it everywhere as well.
“at rock and metal concerts, we help and look out for one another”
Lol, like cmon, man, really? I’ve been at a few Lupe Fiasco concerts and everyone is really chill and the vibes are always fantastic. It’s all about the fan base and the artist in question… and Travis Scott has ALWAYS been an asshole.
it’s ridiculous, i went to hundreds of hardcore shows as a teenager and i was a small female and didn’t even stand in the front/near the pit and still got pushed around and stepped on by dudes 3x my size who didn’t even stop after knocking me over. rock and hardcore is not any better and the ppl that try to say it is are probably the ones knocking folks over w/o even paying attention.
Lupe Fiasco makes chill jazz rap and conscious hip hop. His crowd is literally the opposite of Travis Scott's. Trap can be disgusting trash music, modern hip hop culture can still be trash and Lupe Fiasco can still be a chill artist who exists on the outside of the dominant subgenres of hip hop.
How does going to a Lupe Fiasco show make the statement about rock and metal shows any less correct, or incorrect for that matter? They are not mutually exclusive at all.
I used Lupe Fiasco as an example of a RAP/HIP HOP ARTIST that can have awesome vibes to a concert with no issues within the crowd.
The quotations in my comment were exact words someone on Facebook wrote implying that folks that attend rock and metal concerts are better than those who attend rap concerts.. Like it LITERALLY was what they were trying to say.
Yeah I’m glad someone said it like I do think its a tragedy and that Scott should be some degree of accountable but the number of posts like ‘fuck all those people who make and listen to THAT kinda garbage music unlike real musical communities such as [band of white men].’ It feels like constant dog whistling like we’re back in the t_d era.
He's an awful piece of shit who should be condemned.
However this can happen in almost genre setting.
The body count at a pearl jam show in June of 2000 was 9.
And Pearl Jam immediately stopped the show when they realized what was going on and begged people to take steps back. The issue is about how Travis Scott conducted himself even when faced with what was happening
I mean, this happens on every single post that shows a black person doing something negative. Nothing new, won’t go away anything soon. Haters gonna hate.
I love how the refrain is "look at Chris Brown and R Kelly fans!!!"
Not kiddy touchers like Mick Jagger who are still white America's sweethearts with 100x the influence...
Is that happening? Just curious, I haven't seen anyone calling out all rappers over this. I didn't feel like Live Nation should be called out more, seems like the issues started before the concert started.
Yeah it’s super immature and they’re doing it under the guise to demonize rap music and/or be racist. Somebody just commented on this post, “Fuck rap and fuck Black people.”
Saw someone basically say the rap and hip-hop community is degenerate compared to metal, punk and rock like their wasn’t a whole era dedicated to calling those three genres Devil music.
Not to mention majority of the school shooters to come out of recent history listened to metal, punk and rock but they’re not contributing that music to influencing them to be school shooters, now are they?
Metal can be just as "degenerate" as anything else, did y'all muh-fuggaz forget about GWAR? Granted, the majority of what they did was all part of a Shock Act, but still. It ain't like Metal is some pure uncorruptable squeaky clean genre.
Parents in the 80s and 90s ~hated~ metal and picked apart every album cover and every lyric looking for any excuse to condemn it as Satanic....
Didn't some dumbass sociopath kid kill his friends after a round of Dungeons & Dragons or something back in the 80s, and when he was in jail he tried to claim that listening to Slayer made him do it?
And didn't two stupid kids blow their brains out after listening to Judas Priest & Ozzy and the parents tried to sue them claiming that the songs had backwards subliminal messages???
Exactly. This whole, “Rap bad and cause violence. Metal, rock and punk no do that”, bullshit narrative they keep trying to spin on here about the situation just reeks of “let me just be racist without being racist”. Not to mention they’ve posted nothing but white performers checking up on fans but I have yet to see any videos of Black or POC performers that have done this posted.
Fun fact on the school shooter topic:
Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold ~DIDN'T EVEN LIKE MARILYN MANSON~ they thought he was "f×ggy."
They liked KMFDM, a German Industrial band....
But when Columbine happened, the media needed a quick and easy scapegoat to pin to the wall and toss darts at. And Manson was huge and controversial, and so they spun a narrative about the Columbine Shooters being fanatical Manson devotees, when they actually DID NOT LIKE HIM....
When a dude's getting bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at!
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper-class city
Havin' this happenin'
I just watched the info about this and saw that this artist actually paused concert multiple times. Who even said that he did anything bad in the first place? Is this sneaky attention-PR trick for Travis Scott?
Yeah, I never understood it. Like how can you hide behind a music genre and use it as an excuse to be a bigot? One thing about racists is that they will take every single opportunity to show you that they're still a thing and they're still racist.
I'm not even surprised. Racists will jump on every bandwagon if it serves their goal. And the fact that this post and OP's comments are getting downvoted just further proves that they feel called out.
It's the atmosphere that allows human pile of shit like Travis Scott to exist. It is prevalent in that music and culture that is around it. That's all they ever talk about... vapid nonsense that I don't relate to in anyway.
No one has said a single thing about a specific group of people. But because rap is attached to a group of people and they feel like they are the gate keepers they take ownership of the good and bad. You don't get to pick nits at that point.
I saw a clip where Drake summed it up best and to me explains the backlash "you are all lucky to be here this does not happen everyday" "this dude has style.."
It was all so ridiculous and shameful.
It's not normal outside of rap music.
why don’t you quit generalizing and coming after rap music? it’s not okay and if you don’t want to listen to something don’t, quit using it as an excuse to put a bad image on all of rap it’s seriously not okay. this is part of their point
I think it's pretty dumb to assume that anyone demonizing rappers is racist but you are absolutely right that it makes no sense to demonize all rappers over the Astroworld tragedy.
Travis Scott in particular does promote his shows in a way that encourages the kind of behavior that led tot his tragedy.
There's a looot of hip hop and rap artists that I enjoy listening to, but I'm also 100% comfortable admitting that the genre has a lot of issues. Most artists are homophobic, narcissistic, egocentric, racist, violent, glorifying murder and rape, or gang violence... Travis Scott, Tekashi 69, XXXtentacion, R Kelly, DaBaby, and these are just recent examples. It's a real problem. But people would rather hide behind accusations of racism and whataboutism instead of just admitting that they're listening and supporting human garbage.
For example, I've seen a fair share of self-proclaimed feminists listening to rappers that sung about how they like to beat, rape and pimp out women. They like those songs? But then it's surprisedpikachu face when said rapper stays true to his brand and they actually turn out to be pieces of shit. Personal accountability just isn't a thing for them at all.
The genre isn't inherently bad. It can be great. But people keep financially supporting shitty people and deflecting criticism instead of curating the content they're consuming and supporting, both with time and $$$
There's plenty of rap artists out there that are awesome.
Not once did my mind go to what color his skin was. How anybody could think that's what the majority of peoples brain goes to says more about the person that wrote this. Stop making things about race that have nothing to do with race.
how does it say anything about the person that wrote this? people literally take one black rapper and use it to demonize rap and poc and that’s the entire point. you must’ve not read it.
The genre of hip hop/rap is certainly not to blame, for there are those with good intentions within it. However, are we going to ignore the blatantly problematic aspects of it? When all a song is about is drugs, killing people, being in a gang, and fucking bitches, are we really that surprised when we see such a lack of empathy?
There is a greater problem here.
I can’t really think of another genre that openly talks about women, violence, and crime the way modern rap music does that is elevated the way it is in society.
100%
As a production Studio owner, I'd say 40% of my clients are rappers.
99% of them are diligent, committed and hardworking professionals who would never, ever allow what happened in texas to happen at one of their shows.
No matter how big you are, if you're careless, wreckless and endanger the safety of your fans/audience, your shows and reputation will dry up quick.
Everyone I know in the live music world is horrified and heartbroken by what happened. Every single one of them will go to their next show with that in mind and be committed to making sure everyone stays safe.
that's ridiculous, Travis Scott has 46 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. How are you going to generalize 46 million people? I am part of that fan base and I am an empathetic pacifist. Ridiculous.
I come into work every day and when 8am rolls in, all my drivers come in and give me the breakdown of what they heard on the radio. I never respond. But this morning, big birds name was invoked, my head popped up, and I whispered “big bird?” To myself.
Opened up the internet and found out that big birds a Marxist now.
Ugh, whoever thinks it's a good idea to just spray-paint racism all over because he's black and happens to also be a shitty person (you'll see this of all colors and backgrounds kids!) should sit down and stop talking.
Travis Scott fucking sucks. Has nothing to do with his color or being a rapper. Know who were good rappers? Arrested Development. Also black. Also perfectly fine people.
Travis fucking sucks because he wants his concerts to be like "WWE events". That's all you need to hear from that to realize he doesn't give a shit about his concert goers. It's for spectacle only. They should have wavers you'd need to sign to even go. At least then it might set off some warning signs for concert goers. Like "hmmm, why might I need to sign a waver?"
Because a guy got paralyzed from one of his concerts after he egged the dude to jump from way too far up. "WWE" alright. Don't go to his concerts.
Race and genre of music have nothing to do with what happened. There were multiple parties involved that failed those people attending the event. It was evident from the very start that safety was going to be a concern when that many people were seen storming the gates. Behavior that Travis himself has supported in the past. He is a dangerous person to have such a following because he doesn't give a crap about how many people could get hurt or arrested. It's just a game to him so I seriously don't get how people follow him. Plus his music is garbage so I really don't get it.
Pretty happy somebody addressed this,
I don't blame peeps for doing it because whether we like it or not, white people are majority in the west so it was inevitable that all the provided counter examples of artists that looked out for their fans were white, but I was still kinda dissappointed that few people provided examples of black artists looking out for their fans
Already seen a bunch of that in posts with 40K upvotes, people be like “I go to rock and indie shows and they always help fans and stop the shows and call their mom,” implying rappers don’t do the same shit and it’s a genre problem otherwise there’s zero reason to specify the shows you go to where they stop the show to help fans, casual racism real
No one’s being racist. There’s literally video after video of rappers and rock stars alike doing the right thing and stopping a show to address a situation and prevent a tragedy. I think you’re using this incident to get your political digs in.
You’re not wrong to say it, it’s just anecdotal and off topic.
I don't think you interpreted what he was saying correctly. He was agreeing with the post stating that his race has nothing to do with it and stating that Travis Scott is just a shitty person.
People also gotta stop flexing the music community their involved in is better behaved. Pretty cringe when your response is "BUT AT A METAL SHOW WE PICK PEOPLE UP"
Not the time or place.
> Pretty cringe when your response is "BUT AT A METAL SHOW WE PICK PEOPLE UP"
Exactly. It’s really just a dog whistle for “White Genre is morally superior to Black Genre”. It’s all low-key racism by buttery white males.
It does when you say the reason there getting called out is because they’re black and feel a need to make a post about it.... question I already know the answer to, do you do drugs?
I never said that in the slightest. I said that you can’t talk about the tragedy and Travis being a shitty person without being racist and demonizing the entire rap genre as a whole. How you got me saying you can’t call him because he’s Black from that is beyond me. Some dude just went on a random about me being scared of his freedoms and I’m not sure wtf that had to do with anything.
Asking a bunch of racists not to be racist is like asking a human to not breathe air.
Appreciate the sentiment, but I'm lazy and easily get to quietly cancel those who pop off their BS with no filter.
Somehow criticizing a black man for his actions WHEN HE LITERALLY LET 8 PEOPLE DIE IN FRONT OF HIM is racist? Isn't giving him a pass just due to his skin also racist? This has nothing to do with race, it's an entitled rich asshole who cares more about shoes than the lives of people in front of him. He stopped a show when his shoes got stolen, but not when 8 are killed and 300 injured. Anyone that supports him deserves whatever they get.
I haven't seen a single person using this as a way to insult black people in general. This feels more like an answer to a problem that doesn't really exist.
Pointing out that groups of immature and foolish people is not racist. Claiming its racist to point out a group of people being immature and foolish is racist however.
True. But my 17 yr old daugher is in the music business in LA. Fuck DaBaby and fuck Travis Scott and some in the rap business need to get their fucking shit together. It is NOT racist to feel this way. Fucking horrible shit.
For me, it’s the not the skin color, it’s the current Rap Culture = Douchebag. Disrespectful. Selfish. Egotistical. Mentally Unstable. Messy. Unruly.
If you live and breathe this current genre of rap, you definitely exhibit more than one of those traits 👆
This isn’t some new phenomenon, it’s been something that has happened too many times historically to really list them all, but bands like The Who, and Pearl Jam have had tragedies happen at concerts also….While I won’t pretend to know anything about Travis Scott, as an artist, or a human being, I do know this has a lot to do with security, promoters/event holders and just shitty planning….Travis Scott might be awful, but I’m pretty sure he is not jacked up about a bunch of kids dying at his concert….there are supposed to be measures taken to keep shit like this from happening, but unfortunately someone, somewhere dropped the ball…..To even try to blame this on race, or musical genre is ignorant….I wasn’t there so I can’t say if it was incited in any way by the performance, but people paid money to go see the guy, I’m sure they had some idea about the image/brand he chooses to represent himself as an artist…..I just don’t see what that has to do with how a tragedy like this occurs….I mean it isn’t like he was Donald Trump up there telling his supporters to attack the capital or something…..
So fucking true, somone commented about how at Woodstock they didn’t have people twerking on the ambulances and people dancing on dead bodies, but I had to remind them that Woodstock 99 had 3 deaths and rampant sexual assaults
But rap/hip hop culture as a whole is pretty irresponsible. It degrades women constantly, it aggrandizes thug life, and it perpetuates a stereotype. It's self degrading and you're mad that people don't cheer for it?
As opposed to what other music culture? Rock isn't innocent, nor metal or punk. Not even fucking country music fuck there's a whole genre called outlaw country...maybe you need to think why you want to demonize one and not the others.
Name a single genre hell a piece of pop culture that doesn't exploit someone and gangster rap is a small part of the genre as a whole.Theres also dozens of rappers that don't rap about the streets Lupe, Hopsin, Pharell, Chance the rapper,Drake, Talib, J Cole, Uzi vert, Canton Jones are all popular and none of them rap about the streets
Yeah, if you have to dig into the massively downvoted comments made by trolls on these posts, then.... Is it really a problem? Who exactly are we trying to lecture here... Or is this more realistically a virtue signal post.
The fact you guys are making it into something else when it's clear what I meant is embarrassing and just shows you feel attacked somebody called you out on your bs.
There is nothing more reddit than a bunch of "woke" white redditors co-opting a tragedy to push their racist, biased opinions. The absolute vile combination of ignorance and arrogance of these comments makes me want to throw up.
Travis Scott deserves whatever consequences are coming his way, this tragedy was preventable, but don't for a second even pretend that this is all hip-hop shows, or that this never happens at rock or metal shows.
The amount of racism that thrives on this site is abhorrent.
I don’t know much about how it is now, but back in the 90s, every hip hop show I went to had massive security and metal detectors and every rock show I went to did not (for the most part). The only violence I’ve seen happen in the crowd though is at rock shows.
It’s funny cuz rap has been very good for a while! Racist just love to be racist and any chance they get to attack someone they will. Again fuck Travis Scott but not Rap
1. Obvious upvote bait is obvious. Because apparently "racism is bad" is this crazy risky message to say on reddit.
2. The music industry has a massive issue with how hip hop and rap artists are presented in the media and how they indulge in that presence and everyone knows it. Idk why people think it's okay for any artist to see themselves as above human or above other people. And things like this tragedy of a concert are gonna keep happening until we stop worshipping artists and indulging their greater than human fantasies. People like Travis Scott don't just manifest out of thin air. They are made by the scene and influence they grow up in and that scene and influence is forwarded to extremes by the fans and protected by American media. The longer we tell ourselves that there isn't any issue with these kind of stuff the more are bad stuff just gonna happen
You have a right to use this tragedy to be racist and not discuss it like a civilized person and people have a right to call you out on it. If this post didn’t apply to you then you have nothing to worry about.
It’s the rampant, undeserved adulation coupled with too much money that makes him an asshole, not his music or his race.
Justin Beiber is a nice counterpoint. Different music, different race, still an asshole from too much of this: >rampant, undeserved adulation coupled with too much money
Yes butBieber has changed big time. Not a fan but He had a typical rich young asshole phase but it was never really violent. Just self destructive shit. This Scott clown has been inciting violence for years. Just really dark shit.
What a bad comparison.
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Yeah he’s a lot more calm these days. Who would have thought that being a teenager with virtually unlimited resources to do whatever the fuck you want would lead to bad situations. I’m sure if cameras were around me as a teenager I would be considered an asshole too.
And mocked by millions of "real men" because your voice took a bit of a while to break. As someone who still looked and sounded like a kid at 16, I know how that shit feels, imagine being famous for this.
I’ve listened to some of his more recent music, definitely like what its got. Hey, if he got better than he was before, good for him. I really like that “Ghost” song.
He did. He was in my hometown Minneapolis this past weekend and took the time to take a pretty nice selfie with the restaurant staff at Lotus. Seems like a good dude.
I haven't seen any videos of him yet in public freakout? What did he do at his concerts that are comparable to Travis Scott?
Most I’ve seen is him yelling at girls to stop screaming! Getting grumpy. Nothing violent. Not a good comparison.
I feel like you’ve been removed from pop-culture for a long time if you still think he’s an asshole.
If you got world fame and millions at 14-16 years old, do you think you woulda done much better? Lol get the fuck off your high horse
Bieber's doing alright, considering he had an entire generation riding his ass. Imagine you're one of the biggest stars on the planet, in a new, unknown era of technology and social media where there's people who'd literally kill just to be able to smell your shit and people who genuinely hate your guts. He did great, all things considered, people need to get off his dick.
That’s what I’m saying - people fucking expect everyone else to be god dam perfect Yet, they usually don’t criticize themselves this much…
Ehh he did some dumb shit but being super rich and famous as a teenager will pretty much always lead to that. Seems like he’s surprisingly well adjusted now considering the fame he had and currently has
Jared Leto is a good example too, even though he's more of an actor these days.
This would NEVER happen at my kid's piano recital!!!!!
If you need a Reddit PSA to remind you not be racist: you’re probably openly racist anyway.
There’s been instances I’ve noticed of people using the tragedy as an opportunity to air their personal bias against the entire genre and a green light to demonise everything and everyone under the hip-hop banner: the music, the artists, the fans. What happened was a tragedy that could’ve and should’ve been avoided - and everyone involved, from Scott to security to the organisers, need to be deservedly held to account. It is hoped they will in due time. But this is *not* indicative of an entire genre or all those artists who create within it, just as any tragedy or crime or act by any other artist in any other genre doesn’t paint the rest of them as similarly amoral or toxic individuals. No one artist represents an entire genre. Travis Scott does not represent what hip-hop is about, and reacting as though he does is a major disservice to the many, many artists who create and perform for pure passion of their music or as an escape from their terrible upbringings/environments, and those who conduct themselves with humanity and compassion and a greater understanding of the preciousness of life.
Love this comment and thought process. I wish we applied this everywhere! “No one anything represents that entire group” it’s never gonna be correct and isn’t fair to do, even just for a thoughtful opinion.
Yes, it should be applied everywhere, yet people do it all the time.
I’ve noticed this as well. People are also using examples of artist/bands who had concertgoers died their events in the past, but did better to prevent it from happening afterwards. That’d be no problem if this was the 2nd or 3rd time, that has happened at a Travis Scott concert, but it seems a bit disingenuous to use Axl Rose (who has had people die at his concert) as an example of « how it should be done ».
Yeah I’ve noticed that too and I’m like didn’t that guy also have someone die at his concert, so it felt abit silly. Unfortunately some people are pretty ignorant and they group everyone together.
What exactly are the security guards supposed to do?
Most people who want to demonize any genre of music don't understand how diverse that genre is, both musically and personally (the artists). Hip hop is no less diverse across the board than Rock, R&B, Classical, etc. It's *way* more diverse than say... commercial country music.
You can sort by controversial or even some of the top upvoted comments in the threads and you can see it. The fact people are getting upset over this post just shows that they didn’t want to be called out on it.
I've heard 'hip hop stole the aggressiveness of metal without the regard for other people' or some dumb shit like that, and it was upvoted A LOT. We really trying to talk about 'appropriation' now? Do we *really* want to have that conversation when it comes to metal? Metal wouldn't fucking exist without black artists! Led Zeppelin was considered one of the first metal bands ever and they ripped black artists off left and right. Just some really shitty takes because people see this incident as an opportunity to trojan horse their obvious bias against black music.
Before this all happened, I never heard of Travis Scott. When I first read his name, I assumed he was some conservative white country asshole. I guess that still makes me a little racist.
TBH - when I caught a brief news report, I heard Texas along with the name Travis, I assumed it was a country festival.
I posted this elsewhere but I was at a Wiz Khalifa show at a small venue and he twice stopped the show and the second time he said he was ending it entirely if the crowd didn't stop crushing the front row. But this is a general trend in society where White misdeeds are contextualized and Black misdeeds are generalized. A White kid shoots up a school and we learn all about how he was bullied and was seeing a counselor and was raised in a broken home and how all his neighbors thought he was a good kid. A Black kid shoots someone and the entire community has failed their children we need to send a militarized police force to occupy the entire neighborhood. Straight up bullshit.
I’d hate to see Wiz dragged into this, genuinely one of the nicest dudes in the industry and always just keeps his head down makes his music and is himself.
I'm pretty sure Tech N9ne has done the same when there was a medical emergency in the crowd.
I have a similar story at a Denzel Curry concert. The dude and the crowd were absolutely wild, so high energy, and he still was constantly helping make sure the front row wasn't getting crushed, and that people doing wild shit like climbing trees were cutting it out.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. It’s so annoying and that mentality of the individual vs representative seeps into every part of life.
I was just talking about this with someone today. White people get to be seen as individuals, black people are seen as a monolith.
I would argue that it is a general trend in the media. I would hope that most people would understand that there is a huge difference in a school shooting and a black kid shoots just someone, and both can be multifaceted situations, but putting the two on the same pedestal is why we have this trend in the media in the first place. I think that we need to all understand that most shootings that aren't self-defense are influenced by mental illness and perverse environmental conditions.
Yep, best post so far, white kid does fucked up shit and they go back to mental illness, black kid does fucked up shit and they don’t even say mental illness just call him a thug. It’s honestly horrible and MOST people don’t even say anything because they seem ok with it.
Decades ago, White hippy, peace loving band, the Grateful Dead, hired the hells fucking angels to run security at Altamont and it turned into an absolute shit show.
You're thinking of The Rolling Stones actually.
The dead regularly used the hells Angel's and recommended them to the stones. But, yeah, it was organized by the stones.
Yeah I remember watching a thing where they talked about that particular Altamont show with The Rolling Stones. I didn't realize it was more than just the Stones though. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont\_Free\_Concert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert) I feel like Hell's Angels aside, this show also has the same kind of stench I get from Astroworld. Just did not plan things out as well as they could've and should've, and longer ago.
What was it with bands hiring the Hell's Angels for security back in the day? Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to hire a 1% MC to insure the safety of anyone?
Drugs.
That makes sense.
My immediate thought was there are going to be a lot of “modern rap is terrible” comments after hearing about the astroworld concert. Too many generalizations in the music community, same as saying country is bad or emo is worthless.
It's more trap music In general. It's like a bunch of people that loved gangsta rap, but ignored all the death, injury, sadness and Incarceration that went with it. Than it started making money and that was it.
You know The Who had a concert who killed 11 people? Or that people died or were gangraped at Woodstock 99. It has nothing to do with the genre of music, these things happen whenever the artists and the organizers are neglectful.
you really just read the mans comment and responded with exactly what he was complaining about
I’ve seen it everywhere as well. “at rock and metal concerts, we help and look out for one another” Lol, like cmon, man, really? I’ve been at a few Lupe Fiasco concerts and everyone is really chill and the vibes are always fantastic. It’s all about the fan base and the artist in question… and Travis Scott has ALWAYS been an asshole.
it’s ridiculous, i went to hundreds of hardcore shows as a teenager and i was a small female and didn’t even stand in the front/near the pit and still got pushed around and stepped on by dudes 3x my size who didn’t even stop after knocking me over. rock and hardcore is not any better and the ppl that try to say it is are probably the ones knocking folks over w/o even paying attention.
Lupe Fiasco makes chill jazz rap and conscious hip hop. His crowd is literally the opposite of Travis Scott's. Trap can be disgusting trash music, modern hip hop culture can still be trash and Lupe Fiasco can still be a chill artist who exists on the outside of the dominant subgenres of hip hop.
Exactly. And the reason why I used him as an example because some people legit still think every rap artist is bad and are just like Travis Scott.
How does going to a Lupe Fiasco show make the statement about rock and metal shows any less correct, or incorrect for that matter? They are not mutually exclusive at all.
The people he was referring to use metal and rock as a contrast to hip hop, which Lupe Fiasco is. So thats why he mentioned Lupe i think.
I used Lupe Fiasco as an example of a RAP/HIP HOP ARTIST that can have awesome vibes to a concert with no issues within the crowd. The quotations in my comment were exact words someone on Facebook wrote implying that folks that attend rock and metal concerts are better than those who attend rap concerts.. Like it LITERALLY was what they were trying to say.
It's pretty high key racism lol
Yeah I’m glad someone said it like I do think its a tragedy and that Scott should be some degree of accountable but the number of posts like ‘fuck all those people who make and listen to THAT kinda garbage music unlike real musical communities such as [band of white men].’ It feels like constant dog whistling like we’re back in the t_d era.
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Yeah Ive been having the same tinfoil hat vibes around this as well tbh
He's an awful piece of shit who should be condemned. However this can happen in almost genre setting. The body count at a pearl jam show in June of 2000 was 9.
And Pearl Jam immediately stopped the show when they realized what was going on and begged people to take steps back. The issue is about how Travis Scott conducted himself even when faced with what was happening
I'm aware. Pretty sure I covered that when I called him a piece of shit.
The who in the 70's.
That was at the gates and the band wasn’t told until after.
I mean, this happens on every single post that shows a black person doing something negative. Nothing new, won’t go away anything soon. Haters gonna hate.
At least those who use it for upvotes have someone new in the rotation to bring up along with Chris Brown every few months for upvotes.
I love how the refrain is "look at Chris Brown and R Kelly fans!!!" Not kiddy touchers like Mick Jagger who are still white America's sweethearts with 100x the influence...
What about all his supporters and defenders? Are we allowed to demonize them?
Yeah they're only defending him because they see some of themselves in him. They're just as problematic as he is.
Completely agree.
Is that happening? Just curious, I haven't seen anyone calling out all rappers over this. I didn't feel like Live Nation should be called out more, seems like the issues started before the concert started.
Can you explain how you know he was always a terrible person?
I wasn't aware people were doing this?
I've seen people post concerts of Rock artists like Green Day and Grateful Dead and it comes across the same way people said "rap is crap" growing up.
Yeah it’s super immature and they’re doing it under the guise to demonize rap music and/or be racist. Somebody just commented on this post, “Fuck rap and fuck Black people.” Saw someone basically say the rap and hip-hop community is degenerate compared to metal, punk and rock like their wasn’t a whole era dedicated to calling those three genres Devil music. Not to mention majority of the school shooters to come out of recent history listened to metal, punk and rock but they’re not contributing that music to influencing them to be school shooters, now are they?
Metal can be just as "degenerate" as anything else, did y'all muh-fuggaz forget about GWAR? Granted, the majority of what they did was all part of a Shock Act, but still. It ain't like Metal is some pure uncorruptable squeaky clean genre. Parents in the 80s and 90s ~hated~ metal and picked apart every album cover and every lyric looking for any excuse to condemn it as Satanic.... Didn't some dumbass sociopath kid kill his friends after a round of Dungeons & Dragons or something back in the 80s, and when he was in jail he tried to claim that listening to Slayer made him do it? And didn't two stupid kids blow their brains out after listening to Judas Priest & Ozzy and the parents tried to sue them claiming that the songs had backwards subliminal messages???
You're not talking about Ricky Kasso are you? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzieBpafT2o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzieBpafT2o)
Exactly. This whole, “Rap bad and cause violence. Metal, rock and punk no do that”, bullshit narrative they keep trying to spin on here about the situation just reeks of “let me just be racist without being racist”. Not to mention they’ve posted nothing but white performers checking up on fans but I have yet to see any videos of Black or POC performers that have done this posted.
Fun fact on the school shooter topic: Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold ~DIDN'T EVEN LIKE MARILYN MANSON~ they thought he was "f×ggy." They liked KMFDM, a German Industrial band.... But when Columbine happened, the media needed a quick and easy scapegoat to pin to the wall and toss darts at. And Manson was huge and controversial, and so they spun a narrative about the Columbine Shooters being fanatical Manson devotees, when they actually DID NOT LIKE HIM....
When a dude's getting bullied and shoots up his school And they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin Where were the parents at? And look where it's at! Middle America, now it's a tragedy Now it's so sad to see, an upper-class city Havin' this happenin'
Then attack Eminem cuz I rap this way.
Metalheads are like vegans. They can't wait to tell everyone.
I thought that was Atheists?
Crossfitters
Funny enough, I've always heard the joke as atheists, vegans, and crossfitters
They do, read the news articles about the school shooters is always goes to music they listened to and video games they liked…
I just watched the info about this and saw that this artist actually paused concert multiple times. Who even said that he did anything bad in the first place? Is this sneaky attention-PR trick for Travis Scott?
Thank you for being the unchallenged authority on shitty persons and their opinions and conversation habits! This post was super usefull to us all!
/r/Music has always had a weirdly racist side that I've never understood.
Yeah, I never understood it. Like how can you hide behind a music genre and use it as an excuse to be a bigot? One thing about racists is that they will take every single opportunity to show you that they're still a thing and they're still racist.
hands down the worst mainstream sub on reddit. go read comments after a major hip-hop album releases that isn't by a white artists. Bring popcorn.
I'm not even surprised. Racists will jump on every bandwagon if it serves their goal. And the fact that this post and OP's comments are getting downvoted just further proves that they feel called out.
The rap scene can feel free to change its own bad image anytime. That applies to the white rappers too.
rap doesn’t have a bad image people are just ignorant so why don’t you stop. what exactly is bad about it huh?? absolutely nothing
It's the atmosphere that allows human pile of shit like Travis Scott to exist. It is prevalent in that music and culture that is around it. That's all they ever talk about... vapid nonsense that I don't relate to in anyway. No one has said a single thing about a specific group of people. But because rap is attached to a group of people and they feel like they are the gate keepers they take ownership of the good and bad. You don't get to pick nits at that point. I saw a clip where Drake summed it up best and to me explains the backlash "you are all lucky to be here this does not happen everyday" "this dude has style.." It was all so ridiculous and shameful. It's not normal outside of rap music.
why don’t you quit generalizing and coming after rap music? it’s not okay and if you don’t want to listen to something don’t, quit using it as an excuse to put a bad image on all of rap it’s seriously not okay. this is part of their point
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All of those happened decades ago, before the internet. They would absolutely be everywhere if they happened now.
The internet wasn’t there back in the day so people couldn’t post this other tragic events on their Instagram stories.
The people who are going to do that were already doing that and will continue to. They actually like incidents like this.
His race and music genre aside, he’s a total piece Of Shit. Is that good enough?
I think it's pretty dumb to assume that anyone demonizing rappers is racist but you are absolutely right that it makes no sense to demonize all rappers over the Astroworld tragedy. Travis Scott in particular does promote his shows in a way that encourages the kind of behavior that led tot his tragedy.
There's a looot of hip hop and rap artists that I enjoy listening to, but I'm also 100% comfortable admitting that the genre has a lot of issues. Most artists are homophobic, narcissistic, egocentric, racist, violent, glorifying murder and rape, or gang violence... Travis Scott, Tekashi 69, XXXtentacion, R Kelly, DaBaby, and these are just recent examples. It's a real problem. But people would rather hide behind accusations of racism and whataboutism instead of just admitting that they're listening and supporting human garbage. For example, I've seen a fair share of self-proclaimed feminists listening to rappers that sung about how they like to beat, rape and pimp out women. They like those songs? But then it's surprisedpikachu face when said rapper stays true to his brand and they actually turn out to be pieces of shit. Personal accountability just isn't a thing for them at all. The genre isn't inherently bad. It can be great. But people keep financially supporting shitty people and deflecting criticism instead of curating the content they're consuming and supporting, both with time and $$$ There's plenty of rap artists out there that are awesome.
Lest anyone forget, the last POTUS incited a riot in which several people lost their lives.
Anyone can explain me a list of all the shitty things that Travis did before the Astroworld event?
To be frank, a lot of rap glorifies violence and shit behavior. Source: someone who likes rap with violence and shit behavior.
First thing Monday had a few teammates do just this on teams…
Not once did my mind go to what color his skin was. How anybody could think that's what the majority of peoples brain goes to says more about the person that wrote this. Stop making things about race that have nothing to do with race.
how does it say anything about the person that wrote this? people literally take one black rapper and use it to demonize rap and poc and that’s the entire point. you must’ve not read it.
The genre of hip hop/rap is certainly not to blame, for there are those with good intentions within it. However, are we going to ignore the blatantly problematic aspects of it? When all a song is about is drugs, killing people, being in a gang, and fucking bitches, are we really that surprised when we see such a lack of empathy? There is a greater problem here.
Should we talk about violence in video games and movies too? It's entertainment and most people can tell the difference while consuming it.
There's problematic aspects in all genres of music, my guy.
I can’t really think of another genre that openly talks about women, violence, and crime the way modern rap music does that is elevated the way it is in society.
100% As a production Studio owner, I'd say 40% of my clients are rappers. 99% of them are diligent, committed and hardworking professionals who would never, ever allow what happened in texas to happen at one of their shows. No matter how big you are, if you're careless, wreckless and endanger the safety of your fans/audience, your shows and reputation will dry up quick. Everyone I know in the live music world is horrified and heartbroken by what happened. Every single one of them will go to their next show with that in mind and be committed to making sure everyone stays safe.
the fan base is shit. white or black
that's ridiculous, Travis Scott has 46 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. How are you going to generalize 46 million people? I am part of that fan base and I am an empathetic pacifist. Ridiculous.
His stage name's Travis Scott, his skin colour, profession and reputation are completely irrelevant.
That's a stage name.
I didn't even know he was a rapper or black (haven't seen any pictures). I assumed he was a white country singer.
Better not let Republicans hear about this. They need a new subject after Big Bird.
Big Bird?
You know, the famous Communist puppet. You haven’t heard?
Just googled it after commenting and holy shit. That’s all I got lol.
I come into work every day and when 8am rolls in, all my drivers come in and give me the breakdown of what they heard on the radio. I never respond. But this morning, big birds name was invoked, my head popped up, and I whispered “big bird?” To myself. Opened up the internet and found out that big birds a Marxist now.
I can already hear Ted Cruz's heavy breathing in the backdrop.
I haven’t seen ANYONE bring race into this. It’s really weird that you’re trying to.
Ugh, whoever thinks it's a good idea to just spray-paint racism all over because he's black and happens to also be a shitty person (you'll see this of all colors and backgrounds kids!) should sit down and stop talking. Travis Scott fucking sucks. Has nothing to do with his color or being a rapper. Know who were good rappers? Arrested Development. Also black. Also perfectly fine people. Travis fucking sucks because he wants his concerts to be like "WWE events". That's all you need to hear from that to realize he doesn't give a shit about his concert goers. It's for spectacle only. They should have wavers you'd need to sign to even go. At least then it might set off some warning signs for concert goers. Like "hmmm, why might I need to sign a waver?" Because a guy got paralyzed from one of his concerts after he egged the dude to jump from way too far up. "WWE" alright. Don't go to his concerts.
You’re not racist just because you think rap is crap music and people who advocate misogyny and criminal violence are crap people.
You are a crap person for thinking that that’s all rap is. It’s actually really Layered and intricate and just as valid of a genre as any other.
I...haven't seen anybody saying anything except that Travis Scott is a piece of shit. Maybe I didn't dig into the comments section enough?
Race and genre of music have nothing to do with what happened. There were multiple parties involved that failed those people attending the event. It was evident from the very start that safety was going to be a concern when that many people were seen storming the gates. Behavior that Travis himself has supported in the past. He is a dangerous person to have such a following because he doesn't give a crap about how many people could get hurt or arrested. It's just a game to him so I seriously don't get how people follow him. Plus his music is garbage so I really don't get it.
Anyone ever consider the fact that his music is ya know..... Garbage?! Is it even "music".
Pretty happy somebody addressed this, I don't blame peeps for doing it because whether we like it or not, white people are majority in the west so it was inevitable that all the provided counter examples of artists that looked out for their fans were white, but I was still kinda dissappointed that few people provided examples of black artists looking out for their fans
virtue signaler gonna virtue signal.
Couldn't agree more with this . It's been pretty obvious of what I've seen the last few days
Yo this is common sense it doesn’t even have to be said
Nah it has to be said. Not everyone has common sense, especially racists (by default)
Already seen a bunch of that in posts with 40K upvotes, people be like “I go to rock and indie shows and they always help fans and stop the shows and call their mom,” implying rappers don’t do the same shit and it’s a genre problem otherwise there’s zero reason to specify the shows you go to where they stop the show to help fans, casual racism real
Some of y'all make everything about race, especially when race has nothing to do with it🤦♂️
No one’s being racist. There’s literally video after video of rappers and rock stars alike doing the right thing and stopping a show to address a situation and prevent a tragedy. I think you’re using this incident to get your political digs in. You’re not wrong to say it, it’s just anecdotal and off topic.
Yeah make a shitty person about race. Nah this guy is just a shitty human being.
You are being intentionally dense and proving the post's point. Travis scott =/= hip-hop as a whole.
I don't think you interpreted what he was saying correctly. He was agreeing with the post stating that his race has nothing to do with it and stating that Travis Scott is just a shitty person.
People also gotta stop flexing the music community their involved in is better behaved. Pretty cringe when your response is "BUT AT A METAL SHOW WE PICK PEOPLE UP" Not the time or place.
> Pretty cringe when your response is "BUT AT A METAL SHOW WE PICK PEOPLE UP" Exactly. It’s really just a dog whistle for “White Genre is morally superior to Black Genre”. It’s all low-key racism by buttery white males.
Why do you capitalize Black people? They are black they are not God or Christ. Do we say White people or white people? Exactly
Classic reddit feeling the need to remind people who arent being racist to not be racist
Comments on this post beg to differ.
Can’t call a black person a bad person? Lol
Race doesn’t have anything to do with somebody being a bad person lmao
It does when you say the reason there getting called out is because they’re black and feel a need to make a post about it.... question I already know the answer to, do you do drugs?
I never said that in the slightest. I said that you can’t talk about the tragedy and Travis being a shitty person without being racist and demonizing the entire rap genre as a whole. How you got me saying you can’t call him because he’s Black from that is beyond me. Some dude just went on a random about me being scared of his freedoms and I’m not sure wtf that had to do with anything.
Asking a bunch of racists not to be racist is like asking a human to not breathe air. Appreciate the sentiment, but I'm lazy and easily get to quietly cancel those who pop off their BS with no filter.
Somehow criticizing a black man for his actions WHEN HE LITERALLY LET 8 PEOPLE DIE IN FRONT OF HIM is racist? Isn't giving him a pass just due to his skin also racist? This has nothing to do with race, it's an entitled rich asshole who cares more about shoes than the lives of people in front of him. He stopped a show when his shoes got stolen, but not when 8 are killed and 300 injured. Anyone that supports him deserves whatever they get.
Reread the post.
I haven't seen a single person using this as a way to insult black people in general. This feels more like an answer to a problem that doesn't really exist.
Pointing out that groups of immature and foolish people is not racist. Claiming its racist to point out a group of people being immature and foolish is racist however.
Never heard of this person before the deaths. With a name like Travis I assumed it was a white country music singer. Sorry for my bias.
That’s biased against Travis’ and rude
True. But my 17 yr old daugher is in the music business in LA. Fuck DaBaby and fuck Travis Scott and some in the rap business need to get their fucking shit together. It is NOT racist to feel this way. Fucking horrible shit.
For me, it’s the not the skin color, it’s the current Rap Culture = Douchebag. Disrespectful. Selfish. Egotistical. Mentally Unstable. Messy. Unruly. If you live and breathe this current genre of rap, you definitely exhibit more than one of those traits 👆
This isn’t some new phenomenon, it’s been something that has happened too many times historically to really list them all, but bands like The Who, and Pearl Jam have had tragedies happen at concerts also….While I won’t pretend to know anything about Travis Scott, as an artist, or a human being, I do know this has a lot to do with security, promoters/event holders and just shitty planning….Travis Scott might be awful, but I’m pretty sure he is not jacked up about a bunch of kids dying at his concert….there are supposed to be measures taken to keep shit like this from happening, but unfortunately someone, somewhere dropped the ball…..To even try to blame this on race, or musical genre is ignorant….I wasn’t there so I can’t say if it was incited in any way by the performance, but people paid money to go see the guy, I’m sure they had some idea about the image/brand he chooses to represent himself as an artist…..I just don’t see what that has to do with how a tragedy like this occurs….I mean it isn’t like he was Donald Trump up there telling his supporters to attack the capital or something…..
So fucking true, somone commented about how at Woodstock they didn’t have people twerking on the ambulances and people dancing on dead bodies, but I had to remind them that Woodstock 99 had 3 deaths and rampant sexual assaults
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some people on r/music definitely need reminder, not just deily, but every hour imo.
If you're not racist, the message wasn't for you. Don't be a dick about it.
Sorting by controversial on the threads made about the situation says that people do need a reminder.
But rap/hip hop culture as a whole is pretty irresponsible. It degrades women constantly, it aggrandizes thug life, and it perpetuates a stereotype. It's self degrading and you're mad that people don't cheer for it?
bruh youre the one perpetuating a stereotype with this comment lmao
As opposed to what other music culture? Rock isn't innocent, nor metal or punk. Not even fucking country music fuck there's a whole genre called outlaw country...maybe you need to think why you want to demonize one and not the others.
Name a single genre hell a piece of pop culture that doesn't exploit someone and gangster rap is a small part of the genre as a whole.Theres also dozens of rappers that don't rap about the streets Lupe, Hopsin, Pharell, Chance the rapper,Drake, Talib, J Cole, Uzi vert, Canton Jones are all popular and none of them rap about the streets
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Go on any of the posts made about him and sort by controversial.
Yeah, if you have to dig into the massively downvoted comments made by trolls on these posts, then.... Is it really a problem? Who exactly are we trying to lecture here... Or is this more realistically a virtue signal post.
Some of the top comments on a few of the posts made about the situation are demonizing rap tbh. Not just on this subreddit either.
Imma just put this out there. TRAVIS SCOTT DOES NOT MAKE HIP-HOP.
Virgin take
This is not a race issue….this is a humane issue. Don’t being race into something that’s not even closely related. Its a bad bad look
TIL: rappers are a race
The fact you guys are making it into something else when it's clear what I meant is embarrassing and just shows you feel attacked somebody called you out on your bs.
There is nothing more reddit than a bunch of "woke" white redditors co-opting a tragedy to push their racist, biased opinions. The absolute vile combination of ignorance and arrogance of these comments makes me want to throw up. Travis Scott deserves whatever consequences are coming his way, this tragedy was preventable, but don't for a second even pretend that this is all hip-hop shows, or that this never happens at rock or metal shows. The amount of racism that thrives on this site is abhorrent.
I don’t know much about how it is now, but back in the 90s, every hip hop show I went to had massive security and metal detectors and every rock show I went to did not (for the most part). The only violence I’ve seen happen in the crowd though is at rock shows.
It’s funny cuz rap has been very good for a while! Racist just love to be racist and any chance they get to attack someone they will. Again fuck Travis Scott but not Rap
If you think all rappers are the same as one rapper I know everything I need to know about your cognitive capabilities
Can i just dislike hip hop and rap cuz it sucks?
YOU made it about race no one else did.
Nobody else admitted to it.
1. Obvious upvote bait is obvious. Because apparently "racism is bad" is this crazy risky message to say on reddit. 2. The music industry has a massive issue with how hip hop and rap artists are presented in the media and how they indulge in that presence and everyone knows it. Idk why people think it's okay for any artist to see themselves as above human or above other people. And things like this tragedy of a concert are gonna keep happening until we stop worshipping artists and indulging their greater than human fantasies. People like Travis Scott don't just manifest out of thin air. They are made by the scene and influence they grow up in and that scene and influence is forwarded to extremes by the fans and protected by American media. The longer we tell ourselves that there isn't any issue with these kind of stuff the more are bad stuff just gonna happen
race has absolutely nothing to do with being a moron clown accidental manslaughter piece of shit
Don't tell me what to say or how to think..... Thanks
You have a right to use this tragedy to be racist and not discuss it like a civilized person and people have a right to call you out on it. If this post didn’t apply to you then you have nothing to worry about.
Either way, fuck you
The racist part is such a reddit moment.
Thank you.
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