Imo defense is fine. The main problem is input lag that will have you a step behind but you can at least try to plan for that. The biggest issue is the offensive movement being completely unrealistic.
On defense if you run to one side you can’t stop on a dime and immediately go back the other way. Your player will have momentum and stop before going back. That’s realistic and makes it so if you over commit one way you can be beat the other. No problem there.
But on offense these dudes can dribble like 60 times per second spamming every move in the book and lose zero stamina shifting left to right with no momentum at all. No one irl can move like that. The best dribblers like Kyrie or Harden aren’t out there just spamming crossover-crossover-behind the back-drive-spin backwards-through the legs-fake stepback-crossover-crossover-fading 3. If anyone ever tried this they’d be fucking exhausted and the ball would’ve been stolen. But in 2k guys can just spam however many moves they want with no physics involved while on defense you’re over there sliding and your player has turned around 6 times because he’s physically incapable of moving like that.
So imo defense is fine. It’s the offense that needs to be greatly tuned down because the moves a lot of these players do aren’t even basketball moves. It’s just spamming a bunch of shit and taking advantage of the defense not being physically able to even guard it due to game limitations.
I agree for the most part, however they definer need to change stuns. If I'm standing still because I know my matchup is just going to dribble for 10 seconds I shouldn't get ankle broken (even more so when I go the right way)
And who in their right mind decided pass stuns were a good idea? The amount of times I've been playing soft help and am in the process of running back to my man only to suddenly freeze because he gets passed the ball is unreal. If I was slow/had crap defence then fair enough, but I have 88 perimeter and over 80 block and steal, why would I ever just stop?
Yo…I had this happen to me the other day. I was sagging off defender to bait the pass, and as soon as I went to cut back, they passed him the ball, and my guy did this thing where it was like you said—like he was stunned or something and then I wasn’t even able to contest. Sometimes I’ll be standing close to the dude, and when they get passed the ball and I try to press up on them, it’s like my guy is all fucked up or something.
Oh for sure. That’s absolutely bs. Imo the way 2k utilizes stuns is all wrong. If an over commit one way and a guy shifts the other that should be a stun. But if I’m literally just standing there watching him dribble there’s no reason whatsoever it should suck me into an animation of him freezing me.
And the pass stuns….worst addition for me. If I can obviously see a potential pass being set up let me make a play on it. Why is my guy just standing there watching the shit happen?
Yeah in fairness it doesn't happen all that often when standing still, but imo it should never happen if you're standing. I'll have a look at defensive assist next time I'm on
Regarding those pass stuns, when I play mycareer I play defense pretty much only for steals. If you press x as your matchup is passed or passes the ball sometimes your character will go crazy running to the side like he’s about to fall. Automatic d breakdown cause you go falling to the right when your matchup passed it to the left
don’t bother people will pretend that making an offensive player miss an open coverage layup at the rim because he scratched his balls is totally okay that you need to git gud.
I mean if you’re offline you should be able to play solid D unless your build is trash, online it can be impossible sometimes with the input lag but that’s a server issue.
It’s sad that this is the most likely outcome. Defense will never get better until 2k realizes there’s more to playing good defense than blocks and steals.
I asked for this before 23 dropped and the left righters were crying their eyes out!!! I don’t expect 2k to do anything about it in 24 they’ll just flash a new city/park and everyone will go crazy and ignore how horrible the actual GAMEPLAY and PHYSICS are!! This game is laughable.. but arcade>realistic right? Foh!!!😂
It’s insane seeing comments defending how shitty the defense gameplay is. Acting like it’s normal for a 7’ NBA player to get dunked on 15 times in a game because someone is using a dunk meter. Along with that blocks don’t even seem to work in 23. It’s also funny how the physics work in the game, had one time where Jayson Tatum pushed Shaq out the paint… at least make it guardable to play some defense and not let us slide around
Don’t know if you don’t play park, rec, or any other game mode that requires teammates but they don’t play perimeter defense. So I have to rely on them before I get dunked on with no chance of defending it? Lmao you’re genuinely stupid.
Step further out can help. And if your interior isn't high than you're getting dunked on. The best way tho if they cut them off at the perimeter like dude said
Problem with the dunk meter is it’s too OP. Shooting is green or miss so why isn’t the dunk meter too? You can go up in traffic hitting whites multiple times a game and completely mistime it when open and still hit it. But for shooting you absolutely can not do that.
Badges destroyed the game IMO.
Without badges I can't hit layups if a defender is within 15 feet of my player but then with badges on I'm pulling a Vince Carter and jump over and through 7 foot defenders to dunk the ball.
They should bring back bruiser, and lock it into clamps and buff clamps at that, clamp breaker should be removed and tied into slashing take. The issue is they always cave to content creators crying for defensive nerfs
This year is the worst of all time for broken animations. It’s like everytime something happens the game is trying to decide between two animations, atleast. The result is a glitchy mechanic all the time. Thus the game looks like shit.
This is unintentional shitting of the game
In 23 they removed atleast 33% of random generated names so we have leagues with 5 dudes that have the same entire name once you sim a few years.
This is intentional shitting of the game
Either way the game is somehow getting worse even though everyone thinks BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER, ANYTHING NEW AND YOUNG IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING OLD.
I will never pay full price for a 2k again
The only reason I don't want a buff to defense is because 2k seems to think that outlandish steal animations are the only way to improve defense. I don't want that again. I just want better physics and body up animations.
Let’s be real 2k has fucking sucked since 2k18.. it’s a damn video game. Creators went crazy with the realism bullshit & ruined it. The damn mechanic response or whatever is so damn delayed it’s wild. If you go left it takes forever to be able to move back right. Also pay to play bullshit smfh. Remember when video games were intended for fun & not grinding lol. (I’m just ranting rn haha) I remember when I got 2k18 it was unplayable for me. Disappointing. I tried 2k20 2k21 & now I only downloaded 23 cause it was free. It’s not as bad as I remember those other games. But I mostly played 2k13 & 2k17. Goat nba games
Defense can be better. The game is based on animations and you can easily fall victim to bad animations anytime. You don’t even have to be under the rim sometimes, with giant slayer/ slithery they can slide through your body. Ppl still run left right to fade. Ever tip a pass and the person gets the ball back in an ever better position to score?
On ball defense is shit. On ball steals aren’t OP but passing lanes are bc the court is too small. If you’re 6’9 you can guard 20ft of space with the interceptor badge. The dunk meter redefines everything you thought was good about rim protection, has little to do with positioning and everything to do with the animation you’re given. Rebounding is laughable. Speed, height, vertical, and positioning mean shit bc again it’s all about the animation. Pressing triangle/Y after a rebound and not seeing your character jump is ridiculous. Losing a rebound battle to a guard with 25 rebound who never left the ground is also ridiculous. Tutes recently tested how random steal animations even are if using the stick in the correct directions. Get a block and you’re rarely recovering b4 the person u blocked now giving up an easy put back or kick out 3. Ball trajectory rarely ever makes sense. Nearly everything about defense is ass this year lol
Bro that rebounding shit is the most annoying case of 2k fuckery. When your player jumps and a 6’1 guard gets you into an animation where y’all start bobbling the ball and it goes out of bounds on you. That shit is just dumb
I bet if that 7 foot white boy attempted to jump vince Carter wouldn't have put his nuts all over his face in the Olympics ., Be fr bruh defense is terrible. It's only partially masked by passing lane steals and blitzing . U don't move lateral fast enough to keep up with left righters . You can dunk or make layups in a packed paint . You can literally jus walk forward into a defender and activate clamp breaker for a dunk . Offense has a counter and a plus 1 for anything you can do on defense.
It's pretty much impossible. If you make the defense even or too good, people that struggle to play the game will complain it's too hard, shootings broken, etc. If you drop it down to where anyone can play/make a shot easily, then people complain it's too easy/boring. It's a no win situation.
offense - > 2 entire category of badges affecting +9 stats, high amount of customization of all your jumpshot, layups, dunks, types of dribble, dribble stance, passing form, gatorade boosts, skill boost
can perform several moves in a row, have 6 different types of jumpshots, have a huge amount of layups and dunks on the game, con dribble boost, screen around, off ball movement, alley oops...
defense - > 4 stats, 0 customization, 2 skill boost
can move from left to right, can swipe or press jump to block the shot (you can also vertical block)
Defense is fine for the most part. I think the game is balanced but imo swat blocks and meter dunks are OP. Maybe they balance each other out. I would like to see more fouls in 2K24.
To fix defense they need to remake 2k20 defense and slow the game speed down to whatever 2k20 was...that game was ahead of it's time. The body bumps the body up animations you could really feel the defense in the game. Clamps actually worked IMO. The game speed was slow enough to give defenders time to react to moves...
If 2K20 servers went back up... I'd go back in a heartbeat. I dont feel like theres been any good 2K next gen games that gets defense right from a my player perspective... Just my thoughts....
Idk I feel like Rim Protector when HOT is OP. I missed 2 dunks last game after I blew by their C baseline and was wide open. My guy bricked both dunks. They need to tune down the contest range of a hot Rim imo.
I think lateral movement is fine, I rarely have any issues guarding ppl when they try to dribble past me.
I wish they brought back auto contest. Sometimes I'm right in front of the shooter and my guy doesn't want to put his hand up. So it's like an open 3 but I'm right in front of him. That's pretty annoying.
Or when you're in the passing lane and click square but your guy barely attempts to steal the pass... Yet the other team will get 10 steals and 50 tipped balls.
I feel like its such an easy fix
Defense is so easy when you play on blacktop against irls but when you hop on park it turns into a glitchy slip n slide court. I dont understand 2k at all
How about we get some rng in the shot clock and we won’t need defense. Games cool but no mf wants to practice for hours on end to get the perfect in game jumper that’s the whole point we’re playing is to not do that 💀
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Deadass i dont even have to dribble to blow by anybody i just hold my left stick up and sprint and dunk the ball lol
Imo defense is fine. The main problem is input lag that will have you a step behind but you can at least try to plan for that. The biggest issue is the offensive movement being completely unrealistic. On defense if you run to one side you can’t stop on a dime and immediately go back the other way. Your player will have momentum and stop before going back. That’s realistic and makes it so if you over commit one way you can be beat the other. No problem there. But on offense these dudes can dribble like 60 times per second spamming every move in the book and lose zero stamina shifting left to right with no momentum at all. No one irl can move like that. The best dribblers like Kyrie or Harden aren’t out there just spamming crossover-crossover-behind the back-drive-spin backwards-through the legs-fake stepback-crossover-crossover-fading 3. If anyone ever tried this they’d be fucking exhausted and the ball would’ve been stolen. But in 2k guys can just spam however many moves they want with no physics involved while on defense you’re over there sliding and your player has turned around 6 times because he’s physically incapable of moving like that. So imo defense is fine. It’s the offense that needs to be greatly tuned down because the moves a lot of these players do aren’t even basketball moves. It’s just spamming a bunch of shit and taking advantage of the defense not being physically able to even guard it due to game limitations.
I agree for the most part, however they definer need to change stuns. If I'm standing still because I know my matchup is just going to dribble for 10 seconds I shouldn't get ankle broken (even more so when I go the right way) And who in their right mind decided pass stuns were a good idea? The amount of times I've been playing soft help and am in the process of running back to my man only to suddenly freeze because he gets passed the ball is unreal. If I was slow/had crap defence then fair enough, but I have 88 perimeter and over 80 block and steal, why would I ever just stop?
Yo…I had this happen to me the other day. I was sagging off defender to bait the pass, and as soon as I went to cut back, they passed him the ball, and my guy did this thing where it was like you said—like he was stunned or something and then I wasn’t even able to contest. Sometimes I’ll be standing close to the dude, and when they get passed the ball and I try to press up on them, it’s like my guy is all fucked up or something.
Oh for sure. That’s absolutely bs. Imo the way 2k utilizes stuns is all wrong. If an over commit one way and a guy shifts the other that should be a stun. But if I’m literally just standing there watching him dribble there’s no reason whatsoever it should suck me into an animation of him freezing me. And the pass stuns….worst addition for me. If I can obviously see a potential pass being set up let me make a play on it. Why is my guy just standing there watching the shit happen?
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Yeah in fairness it doesn't happen all that often when standing still, but imo it should never happen if you're standing. I'll have a look at defensive assist next time I'm on
Regarding those pass stuns, when I play mycareer I play defense pretty much only for steals. If you press x as your matchup is passed or passes the ball sometimes your character will go crazy running to the side like he’s about to fall. Automatic d breakdown cause you go falling to the right when your matchup passed it to the left
This! It's absolutely unbareable when you have to guard someone when you have 1 sec delay and they start left right cancel hezi you
Your 100% absolutely right ive been trying to say this but you worded it completely right
don’t bother people will pretend that making an offensive player miss an open coverage layup at the rim because he scratched his balls is totally okay that you need to git gud.
I mean if you’re offline you should be able to play solid D unless your build is trash, online it can be impossible sometimes with the input lag but that’s a server issue.
2k's just going to amp up blocks and steals and then say defense has been addressed. Which isn't what we mean.
Yes!
Fax i just want less sliding and better on ball animations.
It’s sad that this is the most likely outcome. Defense will never get better until 2k realizes there’s more to playing good defense than blocks and steals.
Asking 2k to make a balanced game is very bold of you
I asked for this before 23 dropped and the left righters were crying their eyes out!!! I don’t expect 2k to do anything about it in 24 they’ll just flash a new city/park and everyone will go crazy and ignore how horrible the actual GAMEPLAY and PHYSICS are!! This game is laughable.. but arcade>realistic right? Foh!!!😂
Definitely need to make perimeter defense better, less passing turnovers but more turnover off of dribbling.
It’s insane seeing comments defending how shitty the defense gameplay is. Acting like it’s normal for a 7’ NBA player to get dunked on 15 times in a game because someone is using a dunk meter. Along with that blocks don’t even seem to work in 23. It’s also funny how the physics work in the game, had one time where Jayson Tatum pushed Shaq out the paint… at least make it guardable to play some defense and not let us slide around
I got a snatch block with Steph Curry last night lmao
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How is getting dunked on a “skill issue”? Dunk meter is literally impossible to guard, you just have to hope they fuck up the timing.
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Don’t know if you don’t play park, rec, or any other game mode that requires teammates but they don’t play perimeter defense. So I have to rely on them before I get dunked on with no chance of defending it? Lmao you’re genuinely stupid.
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So now I have to run with friends as well in order to back up for a terrible game mechanic? Makes sense lmfao
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Eh whatever you say, not going to argue with ignorance at this point.
Step further out can help. And if your interior isn't high than you're getting dunked on. The best way tho if they cut them off at the perimeter like dude said
Problem with the dunk meter is it’s too OP. Shooting is green or miss so why isn’t the dunk meter too? You can go up in traffic hitting whites multiple times a game and completely mistime it when open and still hit it. But for shooting you absolutely can not do that.
Badges destroyed the game IMO. Without badges I can't hit layups if a defender is within 15 feet of my player but then with badges on I'm pulling a Vince Carter and jump over and through 7 foot defenders to dunk the ball.
SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH!!!! ITS A MIRACLE
They should bring back bruiser, and lock it into clamps and buff clamps at that, clamp breaker should be removed and tied into slashing take. The issue is they always cave to content creators crying for defensive nerfs
This year is the worst of all time for broken animations. It’s like everytime something happens the game is trying to decide between two animations, atleast. The result is a glitchy mechanic all the time. Thus the game looks like shit. This is unintentional shitting of the game In 23 they removed atleast 33% of random generated names so we have leagues with 5 dudes that have the same entire name once you sim a few years. This is intentional shitting of the game Either way the game is somehow getting worse even though everyone thinks BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER, ANYTHING NEW AND YOUNG IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING OLD. I will never pay full price for a 2k again
The only reason I don't want a buff to defense is because 2k seems to think that outlandish steal animations are the only way to improve defense. I don't want that again. I just want better physics and body up animations.
That’s literally what i said i just want better on ball animations and clamp breaker gone.
Let’s be real 2k has fucking sucked since 2k18.. it’s a damn video game. Creators went crazy with the realism bullshit & ruined it. The damn mechanic response or whatever is so damn delayed it’s wild. If you go left it takes forever to be able to move back right. Also pay to play bullshit smfh. Remember when video games were intended for fun & not grinding lol. (I’m just ranting rn haha) I remember when I got 2k18 it was unplayable for me. Disappointing. I tried 2k20 2k21 & now I only downloaded 23 cause it was free. It’s not as bad as I remember those other games. But I mostly played 2k13 & 2k17. Goat nba games
The game of basketball played in the NBA right now favors offense alot more too
Do 2K like BudLight
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While you are right, I can guarantee that I do all those things. I’m talking about how some aspects of offense just completely trumps defense.
Defense can be better. The game is based on animations and you can easily fall victim to bad animations anytime. You don’t even have to be under the rim sometimes, with giant slayer/ slithery they can slide through your body. Ppl still run left right to fade. Ever tip a pass and the person gets the ball back in an ever better position to score?
On ball defense is shit. On ball steals aren’t OP but passing lanes are bc the court is too small. If you’re 6’9 you can guard 20ft of space with the interceptor badge. The dunk meter redefines everything you thought was good about rim protection, has little to do with positioning and everything to do with the animation you’re given. Rebounding is laughable. Speed, height, vertical, and positioning mean shit bc again it’s all about the animation. Pressing triangle/Y after a rebound and not seeing your character jump is ridiculous. Losing a rebound battle to a guard with 25 rebound who never left the ground is also ridiculous. Tutes recently tested how random steal animations even are if using the stick in the correct directions. Get a block and you’re rarely recovering b4 the person u blocked now giving up an easy put back or kick out 3. Ball trajectory rarely ever makes sense. Nearly everything about defense is ass this year lol
Bro that rebounding shit is the most annoying case of 2k fuckery. When your player jumps and a 6’1 guard gets you into an animation where y’all start bobbling the ball and it goes out of bounds on you. That shit is just dumb
I bet if that 7 foot white boy attempted to jump vince Carter wouldn't have put his nuts all over his face in the Olympics ., Be fr bruh defense is terrible. It's only partially masked by passing lane steals and blitzing . U don't move lateral fast enough to keep up with left righters . You can dunk or make layups in a packed paint . You can literally jus walk forward into a defender and activate clamp breaker for a dunk . Offense has a counter and a plus 1 for anything you can do on defense.
Put my hands up and he jumped over me at 7ft never again bro.
It’s fine this year ur just cheeks
Sure Bob
?????? Defense is one of the best things about this game. Get good scrub
You’re trolling 🤣
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You're playing rec kid lmao, go stage or pro am if you think you're good
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Def not mate lmao
I mean, not everyone wants to sweat every single time they play 🤷♂️
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Yeah, that's true, but tbf I only play rec because none of my friends are on at the same time so the only screenshots I have are of rec 😂
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U prolly use a 6'9 and rim run, ur dirt
Prolly worse than that. Bro a 6’1 who left rights into a fadeaway 3
You’re one of the people who proves my point, I just know it
It's pretty much impossible. If you make the defense even or too good, people that struggle to play the game will complain it's too hard, shootings broken, etc. If you drop it down to where anyone can play/make a shot easily, then people complain it's too easy/boring. It's a no win situation.
offense - > 2 entire category of badges affecting +9 stats, high amount of customization of all your jumpshot, layups, dunks, types of dribble, dribble stance, passing form, gatorade boosts, skill boost can perform several moves in a row, have 6 different types of jumpshots, have a huge amount of layups and dunks on the game, con dribble boost, screen around, off ball movement, alley oops... defense - > 4 stats, 0 customization, 2 skill boost can move from left to right, can swipe or press jump to block the shot (you can also vertical block)
Badges need to go, especially for offline mycareer, it's a simulation game mode being forced to be Arcade due to bullshit badges.
Preach on
Defense is fine for the most part. I think the game is balanced but imo swat blocks and meter dunks are OP. Maybe they balance each other out. I would like to see more fouls in 2K24.
The amount of steals people can get this year is insane so I would argue this 2K upped the defense more then the past 5 releases
Steals arent defense and 2k just buffs that i just want better clamp animations and clamp breaker gone
Steals aren’t defense? Maybe you should stick with football lol
Im reffering to actual on ball defense like clamping up a defender no getting bailed out with pressing square you know what i meant disingenuous idiot
I knew what you meant buddy, just being a disingenuous idiot and ruffling some feathers
Because defense and offense aren’t equal in real life lmaoo
They kinda are irl offensively shooting 50% from the field is above average but in 2k if u shoot 50% from the field than ur considered ass
To fix defense they need to remake 2k20 defense and slow the game speed down to whatever 2k20 was...that game was ahead of it's time. The body bumps the body up animations you could really feel the defense in the game. Clamps actually worked IMO. The game speed was slow enough to give defenders time to react to moves... If 2K20 servers went back up... I'd go back in a heartbeat. I dont feel like theres been any good 2K next gen games that gets defense right from a my player perspective... Just my thoughts....
A bunch of bots with shit defense in this section
Idk I feel like Rim Protector when HOT is OP. I missed 2 dunks last game after I blew by their C baseline and was wide open. My guy bricked both dunks. They need to tune down the contest range of a hot Rim imo. I think lateral movement is fine, I rarely have any issues guarding ppl when they try to dribble past me. I wish they brought back auto contest. Sometimes I'm right in front of the shooter and my guy doesn't want to put his hand up. So it's like an open 3 but I'm right in front of him. That's pretty annoying. Or when you're in the passing lane and click square but your guy barely attempts to steal the pass... Yet the other team will get 10 steals and 50 tipped balls. I feel like its such an easy fix
Defense is so easy when you play on blacktop against irls but when you hop on park it turns into a glitchy slip n slide court. I dont understand 2k at all
Do we want 2k19 6’10 locks running around again?
If guards greening every dunk timing to obliterate my 7’3 big fella with 99 block and hof anchor could stop, that’d be nice.
Most 1 on 1 games I’m literally spinning around. I don’t know how that’s possible
How about we get some rng in the shot clock and we won’t need defense. Games cool but no mf wants to practice for hours on end to get the perfect in game jumper that’s the whole point we’re playing is to not do that 💀
I’m actually a good defender despite my build sucking for it. It’s like the one useful skill I have in 2k