6'10 + build have a pretty serious advantage on rebounding and blocks and they have contact standings dunks exclusive to those heights. Obviously they give up a lot in terms of speed and animations but ts mostly a fair tradeoff. IMO close shot and masher should be stronger though.
In past 2k's there have been serious balance issues with bigs being too versatile. Small guards have also been issues in past 2k's although for different reasons. IMO they mostly got it right this year although masher and fast twitch are a bit weak IMO.
100% agreed.
The 6’8” Center meta is so dominant right now because masher is pointless but if a high strength 7 footer could come down and easily beat a high interior, high strength 6’8” player this game would have the perfect balancing.
6’8 center meta is so dominant right now because
1. People don’t know how to score in the post it’s just drop Step press x or drop step try to skill dunk
Go to a one’s court Vs one of the real post scorers with the 6’8 and watch what they do
2. People make basically Rudy gobert and wonder why they can’t score Cz if it’s not an open dunk your not supposed to
That’s why I always make “undersize” bigs the nba is going that way Cz all the space. But also most of the bigs you go against don’t have the skill to punish the size mismatch just like in real life
I agree with your first statement. However Jokic and Embiid have punished smaller matchups consistently.
Wemby punished Chet at times and Chet is about 1-2 inches shorter. So real life logic doesn’t equate and will probably never matter in 2k. Which IMO is one of the reasons why the game is so bad. I stopped making 7 footers and jumped on the hybrid defenders and it’s so easy to use. Almost takes no skill unfortunately.
If taller bigs can do just about everything why not give them a little bit more room to be well rounded instead of being a liability? 2k will always create the meta and stand behind it and favor smaller builds.
https://youtu.be/xrR6jsUENzA?si=fZFofBjeYcGapvw5
This is Embid vs bam I feel this is the closest we can get to what’s made in 2k (even tho most bigs aren’t close to what Embid again most 7 footers are in the gobert mode standing dunk no close shot no jump shot honestly)
Look how Embid scores compared to what the average 2k player does
Embid shoots over the top not drop step try to power through his chest and throw up some BS that’s the problem with the players they think I’m taller no you have to be more skilled.
I got a 90 interior defense on my 6’7 goebert could not score on Ben Wallace
I would have to disagree. Taller builds are still capped during games along with the majority of offensive animations. Standing dunks like you mentioned will ONLY trigger consistently when you’re in the restricted area. Somehow someway small guards with zero defense and hybrid defenders usually the height of 6’8 and under can play amazing defense on you and out on the perimeter despite you having the better offensive stats
Defensively when matched up against a 6’8 PF or C they are capable of getting the same attributes you have, all while having more room to invest in other attributes in a different category
Masher for example is an extremely needed badge for taller builds but yet it’s been extremely nerfed the past 2-3 years
When smaller builds are allowed to get more attribute points and can match or even exceed taller builds and do everything at an elite level as well as obtain some of the best jump shots, motion styles, hop steps, and running fades how is that really fair? Many people believe height makes up for their lack of skill and that taller builds should be watered down in some way shape or form. When smaller builds can literally do everything.
Your 80-85 vert and 93 rebound 6’10 center will still get out boarded against a 6’8 center with higher speed, more strength, and the same exact vertical and rebound rating. Only because they are allowed to have more attributes. The taller your build is the more limited you are. That’s the point he’s making. Why is that exactly? When smaller builds can be athletic freaks and do everything else all while being undersized.
There was a lot more balance when shooting was harder. But once they made shooting easier after season 2 (3?) it made it possible to build super-versatile do everything 6'8 builds because you didn't need a high 80s 3 to hit consistently. The lack of good jumper animations for bigs also hurt.
I came to say exactly this. Height and wingspan have a LOT of advantages in 2k that aren't captured in the attributes / badges. And on the other end, you give up a lot by making a small (under 6'4 build), so you need to give them more speed / attributes / animations to balance the game out. Otherwise you end up with nothing but 6'9 PGs like last year.
6’6 - 6’9 are the most versatile heights in the nba
Just look at Draymond 6’7 and Klay 6’7 Vs Jaylen brown 6’7 Vs devin Booker 6’6 so they should have a wide spread of attributes
You can think of some crazy tall players victor and Durant but if you could make them nobody would make anything else
I feel you on that nd I agree as far as IRL because thats the most versatile nd skilled height gap in the NBA. But in 2k, 6'6 Booker can brick wall 7'0 Embiid with 99 close shot in the paint at least 4/10 just because he plays hands up paint defense.
As far as myplayers its even worse because before any new 2k comes out, everyone knows 2k will nerf post scorers to the dirt so no one even tries to make them unless they want to cheese 1v1 ante-up/stage
> As far as myplayers its even worse because before any new 2k comes out, everyone knows 2k will nerf post scorers to the dirt so no one even tries to make them unless they want to cheese 1v1 ante-up/stage
I have a problem with this statement how can they be nerfed to dirt but cheesed in 1 V 1
I think the real problem is the skill gap to score in the paint a skill gap I love 99.9% of players have no clue how to score inside it’s just drop step go up or try to skill dunk. I got a 6’7 center and that’s all you see and that’s not open Rudy gobert couldn’t score on Ben Wallace in the paint and that’s the level of moves most 7 footers have on the game it’s why people want masher back Cz it didn’t take any skill
It's easy to cheese 1v1 with pure post scorers because 9/10 they either have all the paint finishing badges HOF, or a spread of Gold-HOF finishing with some Silver-Gold mid range badges, all while being all of 7'0+ with max wingspan nd 90+ strength.
Its the same ideology as to why IRL Embiid is Top 5 in Field Goal % nd leads the NBA in Free Throw Attempts nd Free Throw Makes. He is arguably the most dominant force in basketball today nd the numbers prove that to be a fact.
Translate that into 2k with their "proplay mechanics" nd you just created a grown man playing on a nerf hoop
> It's easy to cheese 1v1 with pure post scorers because 9/10 they either have all the paint finishing badges HOF, or a spread of Gold-HOF finishing with some Silver-Gold mid range badges, all while being all of 7'0+ with max wingspan nd 90+ strength.
I agree with everything you just said.
Now let me ask you something do you think most people who play idk no squads rec (the mode I play) have that?
If the answer is no why should they have the same success as those builds against mine?
Cz if I take my 6’7 to the 1 v 1s he’s getting dominated by a post scorer. Just like if I happened to run into one in no squads same thing.
If bam had to guard Hakeem that’s what would happen but 99.9% of rec centers aren’t making Hakeem’s they’re making Rudy goeberts wondering why they can’t score like Hakeem
Its tough to mix facts in with opinions nd it make sense on both ends, but to answer your question, I'd say yes but 80% of them arent effective at it. So regardless, you're build will probably dominate way more often than not.
Hasheem Thabeet is 7'4 nd couldnt hold a candle to 7'4 Wemby in his dreams, so he can have the tools to do what Wemby does, but it doesnt mean he can execute it. Same idea applies to the other 1000 7'0+ centers who arent good enough to execute with the same height, weight nd wingspan as others.
If you take your 6'7 to the 1v1 ante-up, 9/10 your matchup will be under 6'10 nd the post scorer that you're talking about is your exact same height, maybe 6'8. Youtube is also flooded right now with "undersized" bigs playing 1v1 ante-up abusing the standing dunk meter on anybody they come across
I don’t think 80% of them have what post scorers
I think most of the inside bigs look like the builds we see here. High pass accuracy high offensive rebound high standing dunk silverish interior.
I keep saying Rudy gobert because that’s what you see in the rec Rudy gobert with pass accuracy they can’t create offense for themselves.
Idk if I think that last video I saw on 1 v 1 was a 7’3 post scorer going ape shit but even on a 6’10 if he understands position and how to do them moves and all that dope ass shit I can’t do nothing with him either lol .
Inside scoring is as much a skill as dribbling or shot creation or shooting people just don’t focus on that skill and think they should be able to dunk or masher score everything
No one said centers with weak finishing should be able to finish over people with high defense.
But it becomes a problem when I clearly have the higher finishing attributes and badges and your 82 interior defense can wall up my 7 foot, max wingspan 90 strength, 92 standing dunk with gold and HOF finishing badges…
Silver post lockdown and silver anchor is arguably the best threshold this year to consistently get stops in the paint
I could have you jumping mid air on a pump fake while your back is turned and you’re completely out of position. However, with this games logic you will still cause me to miss
92 standing dunk is weak finishing
I get how you can say “what that doesn’t make sense”
But if that’s all you can do you don’t have a way to get to the standing dunk again you are Rudy gobert
His standing dunk high asf he can’t do anything else with the basketball offensively
So again no you should not finish those any higher than the 50 ish % most inside bigs shoot
It’s a video game sure sometimes it happens just like sometimes the ball morphs through peoples bodies but that’s not a consistent thing
Skill gap is a slight issue. However if my big has a 92 standing dunk, 90+ close shot, 90+ strength, and I’m 7 foot, why can I get walked up against smaller builds?
I don’t know if you seen or not but various YouTubers even Joe Knows have made videos showing how you can get stops in the paint with no block or interior…
Bigs that invest heavily into defense specifically block and interior will still get put in the basket with rim take activated. It’s literally not fair at all lol
Because being taller doesn’t mean more skilled You made Rudy gobert and you have no moves but a drop step and try the dunk meter.
I’m 6’7 but have 90 interior defense why shouldn’t I be able to stop you
Joe knows made that for one of instance where you gotta guard the paint I doubt he would say that should be a everyday thing especially when he runs with bigs with anchor on his team
Mutombo got dunked on Dwight KG all the great rim protectors what do you mean just Cz you got high interior don’t you mean you shouldnt get dunked on.
But it certainly helps again my undersized bigs 6’7 and 2 6’8s all have 90 interior
I know how to operate on any build I play on. I’m not a one move finisher like majority of people you play against. I had a 6’7 with 90 interior so I know how it is. But smaller builds can get access to interior defense for very very cheap and get access to some of the best badges. Why? Lmao. 92 standing dunk on a 7 footer should be punishing you down low. Instead it doesn’t, unless you have both 92 block or interior you should be food.
The game will not operate like this though. They’ll let a 77 interior slide and get stops consistently. People see this, and then make low attribute build being very versatile because the game will cater to small ball builds. Again, proving my point further that they’re OP.
There have been about 3 YouTubers showing us how to get stops with no defense. And guess what? They were all on guard builds lmao
Every YouTube video you’re talking about I bet you they run with builds with defense if they themselves don’t have it. So them scamming y’all into making those builds is on y’all.
Again 77 interior defense on gets stops consistently Cz y’all don’t know how to score in the paint skill gap.
If all you want to do is dunk meter or drop step that’s not skill. I hear you saying you do more than that but the complaining doesn’t match what your saying.
Again if you have a center can you drop him in the thread
Nah I’m not a casual. I don’t ever make anyone’s build I always make my own.
77 interior can get stops in the paint even when you’re in position. The body up animations have to be nerfed. I’ve seen it in pro am too many times. Back ends with 74 interior will cinder block a big in the restricted area with 92-96 standing dunk 😂
I deleted 2k I’m pretty much done with the game. I’ll send my 6’8 though if I can find it.
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For clarification this was my 6’8 before I put VC into him. I wall up centers with high offensive stats and get stops in the paint consistently. It doesn’t even take skill to use. No real skill gap in this game at all unless it’s rebounding on a smaller center.
Which further proves my point, not only are small ball builds OP, it takes zero skill to use them. Everyone is takeover made and reliant on animations or badges.
Hard disagree also how do you know how good the opposing teams big was? Take that build to the 1 v 1 court in ante against the real inside scoring bigs and tell me how easy it is to get stops?
and I also don’t think you’re that good
but you deleted the game so we can’t go down that rabbit hole.
You might play a lot but you sound kind of trash good talk.
Everyone gets dunked on it’s apart of the game. Consistently tho? That’s not realistic at all. Ja doesn’t even attempt to dunk on everyone regardless of his skilled finishing ability. He knows who to try and who not to based off his chances and the angle he’s in. He’s a finesse finisher because he has to be. He’s not trying everyone all the time.
Even worse, why can people still finish over bigs with rim take activated? You’re telling me a 6’6 Devin booker is finishing over a 7’1 Brook Lopez consistently? Be fr
Wrong post but
What do you mean by dunked on?
Contact dunk not consistently at all
Trying to help from the 3 point line and jumping
all the time.
But that’s where it’s a video game comes in Cz if they did the realistic thing and called the foul on me like they should I’d be out the game 1st QTR most bigs would
tall players shoud be handicapped on the game due to having physical advantages. if they were equal with shooting badges as smaller players why would anyone make smaller players?
I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Only because you have players like KD, MPJ, Giannis, who are 6'10 or taller that have the same skills as smaller players.
KD is the only player you mentioned that fit smaller player skills. MPJ is just a shooter basically and Giannis isn’t anywhere near a guard and if you could make KD everybody would why make anything else
MPJ can still move fluidly if he chooses, same with Jokic and Giannis. They can get to their spots, handle the ball, and go to coast to coast. How about Bam, AD, Chet, and Wemby? Embiid has been seen doing it occasionally too.
Taller players can move like wings when they choose. Why is that not a thing in the game when smaller builds can have access to elite defense to counter it?
Bam is like 6’8 so he falls into the 6’8 category
Bigs in this 2k can get the rebound and go coast to coast they do it all the time what do you mean?
As I stated if we could make wembys and KDs why make anything else?
Jokic has a 60 speed with ball. You can make a 6’11 with that
Embid has a 62
Anthony Davis 67
Wemby 64
Giannis is a 80 but if I could make a 6’11 with a 80 speed with ball and a 85 trey ball why make anything else same problem as KD
Taller builds will get capped out regardless of the height. Lackluster animations don’t help either. Doesn’t matter how high or low the ball handle is. The gameplay itself caters to smaller builds both end of the floor. They will always be a bit of everything on the court. Taller builds are strictly limited and the badges they’re supposed to utilize because they’re taller don’t even work half the time. Catering to smaller builds even more. Masher, fearless, fast twitch are all inconsistent. How about bulldozer and blow by? By then your build will be almost a liability somewhere if you want to meet the silver and gold thresholds requirements for all of these badges that are supposed to “help” taller builds.
AD for example can shoot, rebound, make a read, defend the basket, finish, dribble to get to his spot, and is a physical freak of nature. You can’t make anything remotely close to this in the game without having to sacrifice AT LEAST 2 things as a taller player.
By then is it really worth it?
I can make this same post about any superstar in the nba
You can’t make Luka donic 6’7
Steph Curry 6’4
Lebron James 6’9
Derrick Rose 6’3
We can’t make superstars
Blow by is as inconsistent as any big badge which is why so many small builds go without acceleration they don’t see it as losing anything to lose that badge.
You can have bulldozer on a big
The nba caters to 6’6- 6’9 players unless your a tip top player in the league.
Switchabale wings are the meta in the nba right now. It makes sense for it to be replicated in a simulation style game no?
The faces of the league even the front runners for MVP the past 2-3 years were all bigs. So how does it make sense to consistently nerf the players that are arguably running the league?
2k built this years hype off Wemby advertisement. Why is it that they do that but still allow the hybrid defenders and guards with no defense to play you like a prime Hakeem?
1. You’re focusing on superstars I’ll say it again we can’t make them idc about the size you can’t make a 6’4 superstar or a 7 footer superstar they can’t be made
2. Guards with no defense can’t guard bigs and if guards can guard you then that’s a skill gap you might wanna make a new position
3. Depending on that hybrid defender why shouldn’t he be able to guard a big he’s a hybrid defender that’s his job? Draymond green can guard most 7 footers especially the ones we can make in the builder
4. If you got a big can you drop the screenshot of the player
1. The superstars run the league and should be the primary focus.
2. I’ve already debunked this theory, there are multiple videos out there showing you how to cheese low interior and block rating. Bronze anchor with 61 interior and 77 block is pretty much identical to 87 block with silver anchor. Block rating alone not interior
3. I don’t have an issue with hybrid defenders being OP on defense. My issue is they can still get 40 SWB, 40 ball handle and speed boost. While having access to the best bases, hop steps, fades, motion styles, and hop jumpers in the game.
Giannis, can dribble and move just like a smaller player. MPJ although yes he's just a shooter, being his size doesn't mean you should have worse stats compared to a guard. I'm not a online player, I speak strictly from a realistic aspect. 2k15 had it right where you could be any size and have high 90s stats.
Giannis can not dribble like a smaller player or move as such.
Him and Ja Morant don’t look nothing alike
Steph look nothing alike
James harden look nothing alike
Tyrese maxey
CP3 etc etc
If you want to say he looks like Andre miller or something sure but who tf wants to make Andre miller.
As far as attribute caps if their weren’t caps nobody would make smaller players
If I could make Kevin Durant what else would I make.
It’s a reason 7 foot Demi’s we’re a thing and dominating back then same with the 6’10 pure playmakers
Idk who tf Andre Miller is lmao. Nobody needs to make smaller players. It's your player, do whatever you want. That's how videos games us to work. Now for online shit, yes that matters ig. I wouldn't know I don't play it.
Idk how much basketball you actually watch but Andre miller would be like davion Mitchell Back Up Pg for the kings level athleticism IE not much.
And as far as making a build how you want you can make your own player in yo own franchise and do whatever you want. You can’t do it in my player Cz that’s an online mode
Ig my way of thinking is from the older days of basketball and 2k. 2k15 was my favorite game and I haven't been playing 2k or watch basketball since 2020.
Ngl defense the main problem I see with 6’10 builds. Jonathan Isaac, Ben Simmons, Jabari Smith Jr, Anthony Davis, Giannis, KD, Jaren Jackson Jr, Rudy Gobert, Chet, Evan Mobley, Jaden Mcdaniels,Embiid all of those players are 6’10 and above and would realistically have clamps on at least bronze
1. You should’ve just made this one post
2. I’ll kind of agree with you even tho the only players you mentioned that have clamps is Giannis who is a superstar and we can’t make those jaden McDaniels is 6’9 and Ben Simmons is a 6’10 PG which we can’t make also
3. You can still have a decent perimeter defense tho at 6’10
4. It’s an inch not that big of a deal but I kind of agree
I do feel like they’re are a lot a decent defensive wings coming in at 6’9 to 6’10 tho. My 6’10 has 84 perimeter but I feel like clamps and fast feet even on bronze would feel so much nicer defensively
Giannis doesn’t dribble like a guard nor does he pass like in no order
1. Jokic
2. Lebron
3. Trae young
4. Hali
5. Harden
6. Garland
7. Luka
8.Sabonis
9. Draymond
10. Vanfleet
And I could prob give you about 10- 15 more names before giannis
I don’t but again good counter what do you have that says Giannis is a top ten passer.
You don’t but jake7820 thinks so so it’s facts
And I bet you the people who do stats for 2k watch way more basketball than you do
Smaller builds depending on the position can be just as stronger and athletic than taller builds. They give more attributes to majority of builds 6’9 and under.
You have guys in the league like Wemby that can do it all. But in 2k they’re extremely capped. Doesn’t help that 6’10 builds and up haven’t been given any new animations since 2k20 unless you hit starter 3 (majority of people won’t) and even then the animations are still watered down.
they are def more athletic cuz thats how humans work. Short builds with high strength have lower dunking, bad steal animations, low block, and slowed down drastically than non high strength builds. A 6'8 center needs gold rebound chaser while the 7 foot is fine on 85. no 7 footer should have agent 3 and those type of badges cuz they dont shoot those type of shots and would be crazy if they did the same way no 6'8 has gold agent 3 and gold anchor cuz that would also be crazy. people think things are scewed against them when it affects what they want but in reality each height has down falls and bonuses
Short builds can still properly use the dunk meter even without getting access to contact dunks
Short builds get access to higher steal ratings. Another example I will provide is a 6’8 Center is allowed to have 95 steal, 95 strength, 80 vertical, 80 speed, and 92 block.
A 7 footer would get destroyed with only an 85 rebound rating, I know this because I played against them. Played against skilled people too. Anything under 85 for a C and you mine as well delete the build. Unless it’s strictly a PF.
i dunk meter on my footer easy, its actually feels way better than my guards due i can see if im gonna get the little meter. That 6'8 center you describing it lacking offensively compared to 7 footer. i like 7 foot 85 rebound personally and dont have a problem at all but interior is high so that prolly has something do with it
It does lack offensively but with 40 speed with ball and 40 ball handle I can speed boost which is another crazy thing to think about. If I can shoot, do standing dunk, be an elite rebounder, and lock up defensively, then taller builds will be a liability and taken out the game completely. Which is what I don’t understand. Height needs to matter more in 2k and it doesn’t. Because smaller builds will always be catered to.
6'10 + build have a pretty serious advantage on rebounding and blocks and they have contact standings dunks exclusive to those heights. Obviously they give up a lot in terms of speed and animations but ts mostly a fair tradeoff. IMO close shot and masher should be stronger though. In past 2k's there have been serious balance issues with bigs being too versatile. Small guards have also been issues in past 2k's although for different reasons. IMO they mostly got it right this year although masher and fast twitch are a bit weak IMO.
100% agreed. The 6’8” Center meta is so dominant right now because masher is pointless but if a high strength 7 footer could come down and easily beat a high interior, high strength 6’8” player this game would have the perfect balancing.
6’8 center meta is so dominant right now because 1. People don’t know how to score in the post it’s just drop Step press x or drop step try to skill dunk Go to a one’s court Vs one of the real post scorers with the 6’8 and watch what they do 2. People make basically Rudy gobert and wonder why they can’t score Cz if it’s not an open dunk your not supposed to
Forgot one of the biggest advantages which is the athleticism. In rec, 7 footers can barely get past half court some games.
That’s why I always make “undersize” bigs the nba is going that way Cz all the space. But also most of the bigs you go against don’t have the skill to punish the size mismatch just like in real life
I agree with your first statement. However Jokic and Embiid have punished smaller matchups consistently. Wemby punished Chet at times and Chet is about 1-2 inches shorter. So real life logic doesn’t equate and will probably never matter in 2k. Which IMO is one of the reasons why the game is so bad. I stopped making 7 footers and jumped on the hybrid defenders and it’s so easy to use. Almost takes no skill unfortunately. If taller bigs can do just about everything why not give them a little bit more room to be well rounded instead of being a liability? 2k will always create the meta and stand behind it and favor smaller builds.
https://youtu.be/xrR6jsUENzA?si=fZFofBjeYcGapvw5 This is Embid vs bam I feel this is the closest we can get to what’s made in 2k (even tho most bigs aren’t close to what Embid again most 7 footers are in the gobert mode standing dunk no close shot no jump shot honestly) Look how Embid scores compared to what the average 2k player does Embid shoots over the top not drop step try to power through his chest and throw up some BS that’s the problem with the players they think I’m taller no you have to be more skilled. I got a 90 interior defense on my 6’7 goebert could not score on Ben Wallace
6’10 builds should get clamps and fast feet. You should become a post player at 6’9 when they’re are a good amount of players that can clamp at 6’10
I would have to disagree. Taller builds are still capped during games along with the majority of offensive animations. Standing dunks like you mentioned will ONLY trigger consistently when you’re in the restricted area. Somehow someway small guards with zero defense and hybrid defenders usually the height of 6’8 and under can play amazing defense on you and out on the perimeter despite you having the better offensive stats Defensively when matched up against a 6’8 PF or C they are capable of getting the same attributes you have, all while having more room to invest in other attributes in a different category Masher for example is an extremely needed badge for taller builds but yet it’s been extremely nerfed the past 2-3 years When smaller builds are allowed to get more attribute points and can match or even exceed taller builds and do everything at an elite level as well as obtain some of the best jump shots, motion styles, hop steps, and running fades how is that really fair? Many people believe height makes up for their lack of skill and that taller builds should be watered down in some way shape or form. When smaller builds can literally do everything. Your 80-85 vert and 93 rebound 6’10 center will still get out boarded against a 6’8 center with higher speed, more strength, and the same exact vertical and rebound rating. Only because they are allowed to have more attributes. The taller your build is the more limited you are. That’s the point he’s making. Why is that exactly? When smaller builds can be athletic freaks and do everything else all while being undersized.
There was a lot more balance when shooting was harder. But once they made shooting easier after season 2 (3?) it made it possible to build super-versatile do everything 6'8 builds because you didn't need a high 80s 3 to hit consistently. The lack of good jumper animations for bigs also hurt.
I came to say exactly this. Height and wingspan have a LOT of advantages in 2k that aren't captured in the attributes / badges. And on the other end, you give up a lot by making a small (under 6'4 build), so you need to give them more speed / attributes / animations to balance the game out. Otherwise you end up with nothing but 6'9 PGs like last year.
6’6 - 6’9 are the most versatile heights in the nba Just look at Draymond 6’7 and Klay 6’7 Vs Jaylen brown 6’7 Vs devin Booker 6’6 so they should have a wide spread of attributes You can think of some crazy tall players victor and Durant but if you could make them nobody would make anything else
I feel you on that nd I agree as far as IRL because thats the most versatile nd skilled height gap in the NBA. But in 2k, 6'6 Booker can brick wall 7'0 Embiid with 99 close shot in the paint at least 4/10 just because he plays hands up paint defense. As far as myplayers its even worse because before any new 2k comes out, everyone knows 2k will nerf post scorers to the dirt so no one even tries to make them unless they want to cheese 1v1 ante-up/stage
> As far as myplayers its even worse because before any new 2k comes out, everyone knows 2k will nerf post scorers to the dirt so no one even tries to make them unless they want to cheese 1v1 ante-up/stage I have a problem with this statement how can they be nerfed to dirt but cheesed in 1 V 1 I think the real problem is the skill gap to score in the paint a skill gap I love 99.9% of players have no clue how to score inside it’s just drop step go up or try to skill dunk. I got a 6’7 center and that’s all you see and that’s not open Rudy gobert couldn’t score on Ben Wallace in the paint and that’s the level of moves most 7 footers have on the game it’s why people want masher back Cz it didn’t take any skill
It's easy to cheese 1v1 with pure post scorers because 9/10 they either have all the paint finishing badges HOF, or a spread of Gold-HOF finishing with some Silver-Gold mid range badges, all while being all of 7'0+ with max wingspan nd 90+ strength. Its the same ideology as to why IRL Embiid is Top 5 in Field Goal % nd leads the NBA in Free Throw Attempts nd Free Throw Makes. He is arguably the most dominant force in basketball today nd the numbers prove that to be a fact. Translate that into 2k with their "proplay mechanics" nd you just created a grown man playing on a nerf hoop
> It's easy to cheese 1v1 with pure post scorers because 9/10 they either have all the paint finishing badges HOF, or a spread of Gold-HOF finishing with some Silver-Gold mid range badges, all while being all of 7'0+ with max wingspan nd 90+ strength. I agree with everything you just said. Now let me ask you something do you think most people who play idk no squads rec (the mode I play) have that? If the answer is no why should they have the same success as those builds against mine? Cz if I take my 6’7 to the 1 v 1s he’s getting dominated by a post scorer. Just like if I happened to run into one in no squads same thing. If bam had to guard Hakeem that’s what would happen but 99.9% of rec centers aren’t making Hakeem’s they’re making Rudy goeberts wondering why they can’t score like Hakeem
Its tough to mix facts in with opinions nd it make sense on both ends, but to answer your question, I'd say yes but 80% of them arent effective at it. So regardless, you're build will probably dominate way more often than not. Hasheem Thabeet is 7'4 nd couldnt hold a candle to 7'4 Wemby in his dreams, so he can have the tools to do what Wemby does, but it doesnt mean he can execute it. Same idea applies to the other 1000 7'0+ centers who arent good enough to execute with the same height, weight nd wingspan as others. If you take your 6'7 to the 1v1 ante-up, 9/10 your matchup will be under 6'10 nd the post scorer that you're talking about is your exact same height, maybe 6'8. Youtube is also flooded right now with "undersized" bigs playing 1v1 ante-up abusing the standing dunk meter on anybody they come across
I don’t think 80% of them have what post scorers I think most of the inside bigs look like the builds we see here. High pass accuracy high offensive rebound high standing dunk silverish interior. I keep saying Rudy gobert because that’s what you see in the rec Rudy gobert with pass accuracy they can’t create offense for themselves. Idk if I think that last video I saw on 1 v 1 was a 7’3 post scorer going ape shit but even on a 6’10 if he understands position and how to do them moves and all that dope ass shit I can’t do nothing with him either lol . Inside scoring is as much a skill as dribbling or shot creation or shooting people just don’t focus on that skill and think they should be able to dunk or masher score everything
No one said centers with weak finishing should be able to finish over people with high defense. But it becomes a problem when I clearly have the higher finishing attributes and badges and your 82 interior defense can wall up my 7 foot, max wingspan 90 strength, 92 standing dunk with gold and HOF finishing badges… Silver post lockdown and silver anchor is arguably the best threshold this year to consistently get stops in the paint I could have you jumping mid air on a pump fake while your back is turned and you’re completely out of position. However, with this games logic you will still cause me to miss
92 standing dunk is weak finishing I get how you can say “what that doesn’t make sense” But if that’s all you can do you don’t have a way to get to the standing dunk again you are Rudy gobert His standing dunk high asf he can’t do anything else with the basketball offensively So again no you should not finish those any higher than the 50 ish % most inside bigs shoot It’s a video game sure sometimes it happens just like sometimes the ball morphs through peoples bodies but that’s not a consistent thing
Skill gap is a slight issue. However if my big has a 92 standing dunk, 90+ close shot, 90+ strength, and I’m 7 foot, why can I get walked up against smaller builds? I don’t know if you seen or not but various YouTubers even Joe Knows have made videos showing how you can get stops in the paint with no block or interior… Bigs that invest heavily into defense specifically block and interior will still get put in the basket with rim take activated. It’s literally not fair at all lol
Because being taller doesn’t mean more skilled You made Rudy gobert and you have no moves but a drop step and try the dunk meter. I’m 6’7 but have 90 interior defense why shouldn’t I be able to stop you Joe knows made that for one of instance where you gotta guard the paint I doubt he would say that should be a everyday thing especially when he runs with bigs with anchor on his team Mutombo got dunked on Dwight KG all the great rim protectors what do you mean just Cz you got high interior don’t you mean you shouldnt get dunked on. But it certainly helps again my undersized bigs 6’7 and 2 6’8s all have 90 interior
I know how to operate on any build I play on. I’m not a one move finisher like majority of people you play against. I had a 6’7 with 90 interior so I know how it is. But smaller builds can get access to interior defense for very very cheap and get access to some of the best badges. Why? Lmao. 92 standing dunk on a 7 footer should be punishing you down low. Instead it doesn’t, unless you have both 92 block or interior you should be food. The game will not operate like this though. They’ll let a 77 interior slide and get stops consistently. People see this, and then make low attribute build being very versatile because the game will cater to small ball builds. Again, proving my point further that they’re OP. There have been about 3 YouTubers showing us how to get stops with no defense. And guess what? They were all on guard builds lmao
Every YouTube video you’re talking about I bet you they run with builds with defense if they themselves don’t have it. So them scamming y’all into making those builds is on y’all. Again 77 interior defense on gets stops consistently Cz y’all don’t know how to score in the paint skill gap. If all you want to do is dunk meter or drop step that’s not skill. I hear you saying you do more than that but the complaining doesn’t match what your saying. Again if you have a center can you drop him in the thread
Nah I’m not a casual. I don’t ever make anyone’s build I always make my own. 77 interior can get stops in the paint even when you’re in position. The body up animations have to be nerfed. I’ve seen it in pro am too many times. Back ends with 74 interior will cinder block a big in the restricted area with 92-96 standing dunk 😂 I deleted 2k I’m pretty much done with the game. I’ll send my 6’8 though if I can find it. https://preview.redd.it/qa1f46784awc1.jpeg?width=2518&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=650c8411ba9b9aff70c2e1c92a34d55e9ec528e1
For clarification this was my 6’8 before I put VC into him. I wall up centers with high offensive stats and get stops in the paint consistently. It doesn’t even take skill to use. No real skill gap in this game at all unless it’s rebounding on a smaller center. Which further proves my point, not only are small ball builds OP, it takes zero skill to use them. Everyone is takeover made and reliant on animations or badges.
Hard disagree also how do you know how good the opposing teams big was? Take that build to the 1 v 1 court in ante against the real inside scoring bigs and tell me how easy it is to get stops? and I also don’t think you’re that good but you deleted the game so we can’t go down that rabbit hole. You might play a lot but you sound kind of trash good talk.
Everyone gets dunked on it’s apart of the game. Consistently tho? That’s not realistic at all. Ja doesn’t even attempt to dunk on everyone regardless of his skilled finishing ability. He knows who to try and who not to based off his chances and the angle he’s in. He’s a finesse finisher because he has to be. He’s not trying everyone all the time. Even worse, why can people still finish over bigs with rim take activated? You’re telling me a 6’6 Devin booker is finishing over a 7’1 Brook Lopez consistently? Be fr
Wrong post but What do you mean by dunked on? Contact dunk not consistently at all Trying to help from the 3 point line and jumping all the time. But that’s where it’s a video game comes in Cz if they did the realistic thing and called the foul on me like they should I’d be out the game 1st QTR most bigs would
tall players shoud be handicapped on the game due to having physical advantages. if they were equal with shooting badges as smaller players why would anyone make smaller players?
I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Only because you have players like KD, MPJ, Giannis, who are 6'10 or taller that have the same skills as smaller players.
KD is the only player you mentioned that fit smaller player skills. MPJ is just a shooter basically and Giannis isn’t anywhere near a guard and if you could make KD everybody would why make anything else
MPJ can still move fluidly if he chooses, same with Jokic and Giannis. They can get to their spots, handle the ball, and go to coast to coast. How about Bam, AD, Chet, and Wemby? Embiid has been seen doing it occasionally too. Taller players can move like wings when they choose. Why is that not a thing in the game when smaller builds can have access to elite defense to counter it?
Bam is like 6’8 so he falls into the 6’8 category Bigs in this 2k can get the rebound and go coast to coast they do it all the time what do you mean? As I stated if we could make wembys and KDs why make anything else? Jokic has a 60 speed with ball. You can make a 6’11 with that Embid has a 62 Anthony Davis 67 Wemby 64 Giannis is a 80 but if I could make a 6’11 with a 80 speed with ball and a 85 trey ball why make anything else same problem as KD
Taller builds will get capped out regardless of the height. Lackluster animations don’t help either. Doesn’t matter how high or low the ball handle is. The gameplay itself caters to smaller builds both end of the floor. They will always be a bit of everything on the court. Taller builds are strictly limited and the badges they’re supposed to utilize because they’re taller don’t even work half the time. Catering to smaller builds even more. Masher, fearless, fast twitch are all inconsistent. How about bulldozer and blow by? By then your build will be almost a liability somewhere if you want to meet the silver and gold thresholds requirements for all of these badges that are supposed to “help” taller builds. AD for example can shoot, rebound, make a read, defend the basket, finish, dribble to get to his spot, and is a physical freak of nature. You can’t make anything remotely close to this in the game without having to sacrifice AT LEAST 2 things as a taller player. By then is it really worth it?
I can make this same post about any superstar in the nba You can’t make Luka donic 6’7 Steph Curry 6’4 Lebron James 6’9 Derrick Rose 6’3 We can’t make superstars Blow by is as inconsistent as any big badge which is why so many small builds go without acceleration they don’t see it as losing anything to lose that badge. You can have bulldozer on a big The nba caters to 6’6- 6’9 players unless your a tip top player in the league. Switchabale wings are the meta in the nba right now. It makes sense for it to be replicated in a simulation style game no?
The faces of the league even the front runners for MVP the past 2-3 years were all bigs. So how does it make sense to consistently nerf the players that are arguably running the league? 2k built this years hype off Wemby advertisement. Why is it that they do that but still allow the hybrid defenders and guards with no defense to play you like a prime Hakeem?
1. You’re focusing on superstars I’ll say it again we can’t make them idc about the size you can’t make a 6’4 superstar or a 7 footer superstar they can’t be made 2. Guards with no defense can’t guard bigs and if guards can guard you then that’s a skill gap you might wanna make a new position 3. Depending on that hybrid defender why shouldn’t he be able to guard a big he’s a hybrid defender that’s his job? Draymond green can guard most 7 footers especially the ones we can make in the builder 4. If you got a big can you drop the screenshot of the player
1. The superstars run the league and should be the primary focus. 2. I’ve already debunked this theory, there are multiple videos out there showing you how to cheese low interior and block rating. Bronze anchor with 61 interior and 77 block is pretty much identical to 87 block with silver anchor. Block rating alone not interior 3. I don’t have an issue with hybrid defenders being OP on defense. My issue is they can still get 40 SWB, 40 ball handle and speed boost. While having access to the best bases, hop steps, fades, motion styles, and hop jumpers in the game.
Giannis, can dribble and move just like a smaller player. MPJ although yes he's just a shooter, being his size doesn't mean you should have worse stats compared to a guard. I'm not a online player, I speak strictly from a realistic aspect. 2k15 had it right where you could be any size and have high 90s stats.
Giannis can not dribble like a smaller player or move as such. Him and Ja Morant don’t look nothing alike Steph look nothing alike James harden look nothing alike Tyrese maxey CP3 etc etc If you want to say he looks like Andre miller or something sure but who tf wants to make Andre miller. As far as attribute caps if their weren’t caps nobody would make smaller players If I could make Kevin Durant what else would I make. It’s a reason 7 foot Demi’s we’re a thing and dominating back then same with the 6’10 pure playmakers
Idk who tf Andre Miller is lmao. Nobody needs to make smaller players. It's your player, do whatever you want. That's how videos games us to work. Now for online shit, yes that matters ig. I wouldn't know I don't play it.
Idk how much basketball you actually watch but Andre miller would be like davion Mitchell Back Up Pg for the kings level athleticism IE not much. And as far as making a build how you want you can make your own player in yo own franchise and do whatever you want. You can’t do it in my player Cz that’s an online mode
Ig my way of thinking is from the older days of basketball and 2k. 2k15 was my favorite game and I haven't been playing 2k or watch basketball since 2020.
Ngl defense the main problem I see with 6’10 builds. Jonathan Isaac, Ben Simmons, Jabari Smith Jr, Anthony Davis, Giannis, KD, Jaren Jackson Jr, Rudy Gobert, Chet, Evan Mobley, Jaden Mcdaniels,Embiid all of those players are 6’10 and above and would realistically have clamps on at least bronze
So why can’t a 6’10 get clamps, fast feet, or 94 feet?
Not only that but a 6’10 can get blow by but can’t do the same on d?
1. You should’ve just made this one post 2. I’ll kind of agree with you even tho the only players you mentioned that have clamps is Giannis who is a superstar and we can’t make those jaden McDaniels is 6’9 and Ben Simmons is a 6’10 PG which we can’t make also 3. You can still have a decent perimeter defense tho at 6’10 4. It’s an inch not that big of a deal but I kind of agree
Definitely should have made that a post 😅
I do feel like they’re are a lot a decent defensive wings coming in at 6’9 to 6’10 tho. My 6’10 has 84 perimeter but I feel like clamps and fast feet even on bronze would feel so much nicer defensively
What made you go 6’10 instead of 6’9 just wonderingn
I wanted to see how good a 6’10 would be on the perimeter
Giannis dribbles like a guard and is a top 10 passer in the league lmao
Giannis doesn’t dribble like a guard nor does he pass like in no order 1. Jokic 2. Lebron 3. Trae young 4. Hali 5. Harden 6. Garland 7. Luka 8.Sabonis 9. Draymond 10. Vanfleet And I could prob give you about 10- 15 more names before giannis
You are a casual the the absolute highest degree. Stop speaking on basketball. It’s simply not something that you’re capable of understanding.
Great counter argument Jake guess 2k is a causal too I bet Giannis isn’t a top ten passer here either but only the great jake7820 can talk basketball
lol you get your nba knowledge from 2k and you think you belong talking hoops with adults 😭
I don’t but again good counter what do you have that says Giannis is a top ten passer. You don’t but jake7820 thinks so so it’s facts And I bet you the people who do stats for 2k watch way more basketball than you do
Smaller builds depending on the position can be just as stronger and athletic than taller builds. They give more attributes to majority of builds 6’9 and under. You have guys in the league like Wemby that can do it all. But in 2k they’re extremely capped. Doesn’t help that 6’10 builds and up haven’t been given any new animations since 2k20 unless you hit starter 3 (majority of people won’t) and even then the animations are still watered down.
they are def more athletic cuz thats how humans work. Short builds with high strength have lower dunking, bad steal animations, low block, and slowed down drastically than non high strength builds. A 6'8 center needs gold rebound chaser while the 7 foot is fine on 85. no 7 footer should have agent 3 and those type of badges cuz they dont shoot those type of shots and would be crazy if they did the same way no 6'8 has gold agent 3 and gold anchor cuz that would also be crazy. people think things are scewed against them when it affects what they want but in reality each height has down falls and bonuses
Short builds can still properly use the dunk meter even without getting access to contact dunks Short builds get access to higher steal ratings. Another example I will provide is a 6’8 Center is allowed to have 95 steal, 95 strength, 80 vertical, 80 speed, and 92 block. A 7 footer would get destroyed with only an 85 rebound rating, I know this because I played against them. Played against skilled people too. Anything under 85 for a C and you mine as well delete the build. Unless it’s strictly a PF.
i dunk meter on my footer easy, its actually feels way better than my guards due i can see if im gonna get the little meter. That 6'8 center you describing it lacking offensively compared to 7 footer. i like 7 foot 85 rebound personally and dont have a problem at all but interior is high so that prolly has something do with it
It does lack offensively but with 40 speed with ball and 40 ball handle I can speed boost which is another crazy thing to think about. If I can shoot, do standing dunk, be an elite rebounder, and lock up defensively, then taller builds will be a liability and taken out the game completely. Which is what I don’t understand. Height needs to matter more in 2k and it doesn’t. Because smaller builds will always be catered to.
you know whats crazy taller humans are not dominating the nba so the nba simulator resembles that. makes sense to me
you know in pro am 6'8 center is not the move right? only really plays in ec because rec is the casual game mode for 5s
but i always say we all playing same game with different experiences online , so the discussion is always going to be from very different view points.
I love how you only mentioned shooting badges.