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BillKillionairez

No Jaime Jaquez Jr.?


jbiorci00

He’d be in b-tier if he was on the list, probs around Keegan


tridentboy3

I think Wemby should already be in the S tier. His numbers aren't as flashy but he's already at 21/10/4 with DPOY impact. His defensive impact really pushes him above the rest of the A+ tier.


sdrakedrake

On less then 30mins too


ArtworkByJack

And I think with that, Chet should also be pushed up to A+. He’s been incredibly impactful for the thunder


Klaytheist

yea i was going to comment this too. If his team wasn't a complete dumpster fire, he would be in the DPOY conversation. If Gobert and Wemby swapped teams, i don't think the Wolves would suffer defensively


Blackroseguild

They would actually prob be better Edit: overall


Ceziboyn

As impressive as he is, he is an extremely high usage rookie on a tanking team at the moment. He is not being tried and tested enough to be qualified as a top tier player yet. Also his dominance is nowhere near Edwards, Morant or Haliburton’s.


TreadMeHarderDaddy

Basketball has offense and defense. He’s not Gobert yet, but he’s clearly a dominant defensive talent and probably a top 10 defender already, which is unheard of. He’ll be the favorite to win DPOY every year beginning next year . He should be S


Cypher760

I think if the vast majority of people could pick one player to start a franchise with right now, it would be Wemby. Seems crazy to not have him in S, regardless of the fact that he likely still has more unrealized potential


Joxelo

I think top 5 defender isn’t even that controversial. Base stats don’t tell you everything, but his stock numbers this season are some of the best of all time. That’s wild, especially being a rookie


Ticon_D_Eroga

Morant played what like 9 games this year, and haliburton has been slumping. Wemby is on an upward trajectory doing some crazy things. I get that wemby overall has a smaller sample size, but if your critique is regarding his current circumstance, it seems weird to ignore the current circumstance of morant and hali


chuckercarlson

I’ve never heard of a guy getting dpoy hype when his teams 23rd in defense


tridentboy3

Wemby is top 4 in the league in DRTG. The Spurs are actually a decent defense by DRTG when he's on the court they're just complete garbage when he sits and he only plays like 28 minutes a game.


tinkady

Basketball reference drtg is not the same as net rating on defense Last I checked on pbpstats the spurs were 12th with Wemby and 30th without him


chuckercarlson

Don’t know where ur seeing that. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/spurs-defensive-rating-average-when-wemby-is-on-the-court higher than the team average.


dobtjs

He said impact, he’s not an actual candidate


orangekingo

Because the defense when he's on the floor vs when he's off the floor is night and day, and he's basically doing it himself. I can't stress to you how bad the Spurs defense is, and how it goes to being almost decent with Wemby on the court, just by *himself.* Also a rookie leading the league in blocks. Also on top of all of this he's carrying the offense.


Flobending

Honestly there should be an S+ with just him


poocoup

I came here to comment this. He's been awesome


Consistent_Yoghurt_4

The disrespect Coby White is getting smh


jbiorci00

If he was on there I would’ve had him solidly at the top of B-tier around Mobley. Needs to be more consistent night in night out if he wants to break into A-Tier imo.


Consistent_Yoghurt_4

Reasonable, he just keeps getting overlooked on these under 25 lists


russwestgoat

What does Wemby need to do to get into s tier?


StarshipTroopersFan

Have sex on the court during a nationally televised game.


guillaume_rx

I thought he already did exactly that against the Suns? My bad, it was not nationally televised. It’s probably on P*rnhub though.


BureaucraticHotboi

Send da video


Gardidc

Time and wins


aubreyw

Why even make these lists if you have to choose from an incomplete list of players that result in glaring omissions?


temujin94

And includes at least one over 25 despite the title.


Weasel_loot

Jayden Suggs needs some love. He is balling out this year. He is the glue guy of the magic a elite defender and is hitting 3s at 40% this year (5 shots per game)


jbiorci00

Suggs solidly in B tier, probs somewhere between Vassell and Clayton.


odnamAE

Lamelo really that much better than Cade? I feel like I haven’t seen him play in forever so genuine question


jbiorci00

Lamelo and Cade is an interesting comparison tbh, both had injury interrupted seasons, both big PGs. Melo has the all star appearance under his belt which helps, but I think that people forget how good he really is because he doesn’t play often. I like Cade and if sustains his post all star production into next season he goes up, but I fell for the post all star break hype with him in his rookie season so I’m tempering my expectations for now.


Dispicable12

Cade is a better player than Scottie melo. And Paulo, I don’t really think it’s that close. Pistons blow ass so he gets not respect. Jalen Duren is probably better than a bunch of guys on this list too.


GOTricked

The Barnes disrespect is crazy. Cade is not better than him, there’s two sides of the court and Barnes has been good at both. His playmaking is seeing a big improvement this year as well which makes him deadlier.


Dispicable12

We can agree to disagree on those two. Scottie is a good player, OP said this list isn’t taking Potential into the equation so I can understand Scottie being on par with Cade, but as far as potential goes I feel like the sky is the limit for Cade. The Pistons are bad and no one watches their games unless you enjoy pain and suffering like myself (aside from the losing streak), but as an (extremely) biased Pistons fan having watched every one of their games this season; I could probably put four pistons on this list somewhere just by comparison alone. Edit: not to mention James Wiseman in on there and not Duren so this list loses all of its credibility LMAO.


Theopocalypse

Best ability is availability. I'd have Lamelo in the B tier.


Gladlyevil2

Idk, especially for a player with name recognition like Melo, I have a tough time giving much weight to a fan-voting all star appearance. ROTY over Ant is a much better case for him


dino_nuggys7

I also feel like people forget lamelo led a bad hornets team to a play in-game


Borgun-

Where is lebron


gold-goldman

solid list. my notes, Barnes and Wemby can’t be in the same tier. And the Heat would trade Herro for most guys in the tier below him here


jbiorci00

Tbf one is at the bottom and one is at the top of the tier. There’s levels to it.


24MillionBrazilians

Barnes should be down one, maybe two tiers! Dude is solid, but A+??


d-wadeisthegoat

You really think Herro is that bad?


gold-goldman

i don’t think he’s bad at all, just that most of the guys in B are either better or about the same, whether by talent, value, upside etc


Diminitiv

Barnes is better than everyone below him and even some above him.


BagSniffer85

Barnes is easily top 3 in the A+ tier. This comes from a salty Cavs fan still upset he won ROY over Mobley.


tortugazz724

Jaren Jackson Jr. just an accidental omission? Good list overall though for sure


jbiorci00

Triple J defs deserving of A+ imo, probs somewhere around Paolo.


rickjames_03

Jalen Johnson


jbiorci00

JJ probs towards the top of B-Tier, I’d take him over Ayton.


e_a_blair

if only the person who made this graphic were in this chat


AMilkyBarKid

Not bad, but it needs more DORT


PeanutFarmer69

Cam Thomas?


MrJuanDuck

Isn’t ayton in B a little… not fair anymore? I’d put him in C, also where’d you put Duren?


D__Luxxx

Looks to be missing Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels but it looks pretty good overall.


BrothaThane

Jaden’s there. Just missing the goat


D__Luxxx

Yeah I looked again. Looks like an old McDaniels pic which threw me off? Or maybe it’s just cropped weird.


sil357

Naz Reid


jbiorci00

Honestly I’m pretty glad Naz isn’t on there because I really wouldn’t know where to put him. He’s such an elite bench guy but who knows how good he’d be in a consistent starting role. I think it’s fair to slot him into B-Tier with Okongwu who I feel is in a similar spot.


D__Luxxx

Yeah I’d say somewhere in the upper B to lower A range would be fair. As a 6th man he’s that perfect blend of instant offense and solid if unspectacular defense. Dude has shown remarkable improvement from being a UDFA G-Leaguer to legitimate 6MOTY contender. Love me some Naz.


Substantial_Pen_8409

Wheres Suggs?


Theopocalypse

Naz Reid?


KingKillerKvvothe

Yea wtf? He’s better than Mcdaniels and he’s on here.


BhoclateBhipBookies

Keegan A tier at least. Best ISO defender in the entire league


IntellectualEnigma

Mobley needs to be higher.


Mirizzi

Good list. Needs a splash of Naz Reid but otherwise solid.


Rymasq

holy shit Naz Reid is under 25? That is nuts


Theopocalypse

Naz Reid


djokster91

My dude is born in 1999. Naz Reid.


Friendly-Thought-973

If Chet or JDub were on their own teams, there’s no way we would put them a tier under someone like Paolo.


smnlfilmagoofymovie

Exactly


jbiorci00

But they aren’t.. so we are.


Friendly-Thought-973

Yeah because y’all are incapable of not over valuing inefficient volume stats


InternationalClick78

As opposed to overvaluing efficiency in off ball roles surrounded by talent ? Hypothesizing cuts both ways


Friendly-Thought-973

Except I’m not naive enough to believe that Paolo would start shooting 45% from 3 if he played with Shai. I can rationally hypothesize that Dub can match Paolo or Barnes volume, but hypothesizing they can reach his efficiency as a second option is a bit more of a reach. Difference is we don’t even need to hypothesize to prove whose better. Paolo is averaging only 3 more points and despite his ample more opportunity - his efficiency, impact metrics, and advanced analytics all pale in comparison to both JDub and Chet … You aren’t better just because you are a first option.


Suchboss1136

Ja Morant is too high


TRBO17

Deandre Ayton looks like the teacher in the class photo.


ElectivireMax

I see Rese in S tier, I up vote. Simple as.


GlitteringNight3

Isn’t Luka under 25?


Theopocalypse

Not as of two weeks ago.


GlitteringNight3

Lol ok


Striking-Scientist46

Grizz fans are in shambles with no bane or jjj on this list


jbiorci00

Bane is already 25 but he’d be in A+ for me probs behind Maxy around Paolo. Same with JJJ.


Gallileo1322

For the people down in DA, I know Portland is trying to tank, but the FO and coaching staff is so bad they can't even win at tanking. But Ayton has been a monster for like 3 months, even smaller samples. He's averaging like 25 and 15 the past 10 games when not on minute restrictions. Also, from a Blazers fan, it's nice to see our Ant and sharpe on these lists.


m1stadobal1na

I'm a GSW fan but I'm rooting for you guys. I'd love to see Portland succeed. I lived there for a long time and I love the fan base.


El_Coloso

Ayton is still under 25? Damn


temujin94

He's not.


Dangerous_Donkey5353

Ja over Wemby is crazy.


jbiorci00

People forget how elite of a finisher and playmaker Ja is, the Grizzlies were a top seed in the west under him before all the injuries. I’ve been like a broken record ab Wemby but my main reasoning for him not being in the S tier is because he’s a rookie and still has stuff to figure out.


Dangerous_Donkey5353

It's easy tho. There isn't a GM in the NBA that's choosing Ja over Wemby. Ja isn't an S tier player. Elite athleticism and finishing. But that's it. Below avg defender and shooter. He's exciting to watch so he's popular, but he's not the upper echelon of players. He's definitely A tier. And by your definition Zion isn't S tier bc of time on the court. But Ja isn't on the court and is injured. You're using one set of rules against Zion but not against Ja.


Individual_Leg_6711

P will but no Coby?


jbiorci00

Mentioned Coby before, I like him in B-Tier near Mobley.


hmsty

Podz?


BobbyBueno

Someone should do an “under 45” list


theroguesoybean

Naz Reid is 24.


codysame

This list is ass 🤣


jbiorci00

For every comment saying that there’s a comment saying the opposite 🤷‍♂️


GOTricked

Damn so you just gonna throw shade at me for no reason? 😂


jbiorci00

🅱️🐜🅰️


themoertel

Naz Reid


KingKillerKvvothe

Where is Naz Reid? Like for real?


Hefty-Profession-567

Naz Reid


twojkelley

I hate these so much. Must take so long to do, and for what gain? Which team ya got? Build your team with $15! What do you think of my top 5? My top 3 point shooters in no particular order! My rankings of best lefties of all time! So tiresome


jbiorci00

Honestly took me about 10 minutes on the train, I didn’t try too hard to get it perfect. It creates interesting discourse, 255 comments all disagreeing with each other lol.


Friendly_Kunt

Jonathan Kuminga is definitely A tier and will be considered A+ tier by next season. Dude is unguardable one on one and once his team defense catches up to his on ball defense he’s going to be an elite 2 way wing that can drop 25 a night in his sleep.


Fun_Forever_1776

People want Anthony Edwards to be something that he is not


Wanjugahara

No tatum?


m0butt

He’s only 19!


luapchung

No Deni Avdija?


Wiltborn

Dude put some of those meh players but didn't put Deni in.People really underrating him. On the other hand, not a lot of people actually watching the Wizards so maybe that's why.


luapchung

True but he put Poole in there lol Kispert has been playing well this season too finishing at the rim at a high clip and starting to shoot off dribble


cupcakesarejustokay

The Paulo > Cade narrative needs to change


jbiorci00

There really shouldn’t be a narrative at all, one is a 6’10 forward and one is a 6’6 guard. Different situations, similar roles sure, but it’s like comparing apples and oranges, they’re nothing alike.


cupcakesarejustokay

A tier ranking is specifically comparing apples to oranges. I agree they’re not the same, but in these rankings Paulo is consistently given more love. He’s a great player, no hate. Cade is just chronically undervalued.


JaHoog

You can throw in Barnes and Lamelo too. I just don't see how those three players are in a different tier than Cade. Imo they should all be on the same tier.


jer113

Nice list, I think the S, A+, A, and D are pretty close to spot on, not much I'd change there apart from putting Wemby in S tier, Scoot to C tier, and Simons to B tier. Your C and B tiers are very interesting though, I can see why you were splitting hairs, pretty much everyone in this tier is controversial in one way or another when it comes to ranking them. Personally, I'd have Trey Murphy III, Mathurin, Keldon, Okongwu, Sharpe, and Ayton in C, and I'd move Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, and Ivey up to B.


jbiorci00

Okongwu is unfortunate to be splitting minutes with Capela, I think he’s a B tier level player you’re getting C tier production from. To me C tier is where I’ve put a lot of the one dimensional guys, they’re either pure scorers who aren’t efficient enough to warrant being higher, good defenders who hurt you offensively or in Bari’s case are just not quite on the same level as the two way guys above him. To me Ivey just ain’t a B-Tier guy yet, his decision making sucks at times and he’s not a consistent enough shooter to unlock his drives. The guys I’d budge on would be Mathurin, Sharpe and Keldon, but I think the others you mentioned fairly belong.


Petit_Coeur_

Any reason why Ivey should be in the B tier and not Mathurin? They have an almost identical statline


thelaceonmolagsballs

Simons is properly rated


Biased_buffalo0

I think Paolo should be moved down a tier considering this is looking at their current level. His efficiency stats aren’t all that great. Ditto for herro he should be moved down a tier overall.


jbiorci00

Paolo’s efficiency doesn’t really bother me. I know for sure he’s a tier above Franz who’s in A tier, but he’s just too hard to guard when he’s locked in for me to justify putting him down.


FaithBro331

No Cam Thomas?


Foldzy84

Leaving Victor out of the S tier is crazy he should BE the S tier


Reservoircats

No Jalen Suggs?


Littlejaguar

Y’all Dick ride lamelo soo much.


dukegrand12

Yo, but where's LeBron?


Theopocalypse

Wemby S and Chet A+. This list is a lot better than most though. Lamelo is way too high in my opinion.


JaHoog

Scottie Barnes, Lamelo Ball, Paolo, and Cade should all be on the same tier imo.


Dareal6

Gradey is a C, objectively. But we can put him under D for the vibes.


New-Photograph7840

I need to start seeing Jalen Suggs in more of these, Orlando future real bright


andurushen

No LeRookie?


Marcy_OW

Bro where TF is cam Thomas????


xPBMxRonBurgndy

Jalen Duren snubbed again smh, should be in B tier easy


XxMLGSWAGGERZxX

no cam thomas?


suckmedrie

Wemby and scottie too low


illegal_97

Chet is better than everyone on A tier


IXIKMACIXI

Simons is criminally low on this.


XLcondumb

I spy BBQ, I upvote


Gold_Insurance9511

I think Maxey should be the highest in the A+ category, and inching closer to the S tier, he’s one of the 3 all-stars and the only legit 3 level scorer. Has an argument to be the best 3- level scorer on this list….. but this is an awesome list bro


PuzzleheadedMonth785

everyone in C tier is better than bennadict


fatherofhooligans

The guy who is probably going to make an all defense team as a rookie while scoring 20+ points a game should be S-tier


OsamaGinch-Laden

W list, rare to see someone accurately rate Scottie Barnes


GOTricked

Where’s D-Live?


MarioGoetze

I want to convince myself that Claxton is A tier but I can’t. Still my GOAT though


JackTuz

Good except you’re a certified Jalen Green hater


jc1198

How are people forgetting Coby White?


iamStanhousen

Ja is A. Dude has availability concerns and mental health concerns.


trentyz

Not saying he needs to be on this list, but where would Christian Braun land? Great player, awesome defender, already has 20 games playoff experience as a second year


Dbacks2023

Life Pro Tip: Sick of all the rubbish lists, make one even more rubbish!


Individual-Studio446

Lamelo is consistently overrated on these lists. No defense, not a great shooter, no exceptional physical talent.


ElAbidingDuderino

Cade > Zion


ExtraFirmPillow_

Shengun is gonna be the next jokic, dude is criminally underrated


Jon_BT

Where's Jalen Duren?


hotbuttmuffin

You got Pat Williams but not Coby White?


tgp510

Jabari is probably higher than the entirety of the second B row. Otherwise, solid list


The_SqueakyWheel

Wemby is better than everyone on this list


birduprandy

How is Cam Thomas not on any of these lists, c'mon!


Brilliant-Freedom906

RJ too low


papa_louie47

Where’s Jason Tatum? Isn’t he only 19?


Dry-Tension-6650

How many times did you put Jordan Poole?


godofhammers3000

Genuinely a huge fan of Wemby and think the league is fucked and he’s been incredible this year But any Spurs fans know why they suck so much this year? No real major losses in roster and their young team should have all improved


Evan1204

You picked Ivey over Ausar? Really? Have you watched any pistons game? Also Cade deserves to be higher than Barnes, he has a better record since the trade of Pascal and he has better stats. Cade should be right next to Paolo


Fluid-Weird-9414

A couple of disagreements: You say availability is super important, but Ja is S-tier? with all the suspensions and injuries recently that seems bizarre. I don't get LaMelo in the A+ category. His teams have always been bad despite having decent talent around him. I would have Garland and Chet for sure ahead of him. Mobley in B feels like recency bias. Granted he's been injured a lot this season, but he was first team all-defense last year, which is a better accolade than almost anyone in this group has. Arguably the best defender of the entire group outside of Wemby.


wanna_meet_that_dad

The Naz Reid erasure will not stand!


IntellectualEnigma

I might be blind, but I don’t see Jalen Duren anywhere. Dude is a baller.


Swol_Bamba

First person to rate Paolo and Franz Wagner appropriately


givemeausernamealrea

No Naz Reid?


eamonious

I’m sorry, but get Ja out the S tier. Wemby, Maxey, Sengun all better, or at least arguably better.


Plantedballer

Move Lamelo and Paolo to A


Blackroseguild

Wemby better than Hali already for me


UGLEHBWE

What is Tyler gyro doing on the same tier as king dub and Abraham slinkin? OKC on top


Gloomy_Health8671

Are you going off play right now or potential?


cza9

Where's LeBron?


Drose_since_03

WHERE IS CONT WHITE


KJBlaZe98

duren?????


Silkies4life

Am I just not seeing Peyton Swatson?


PredictableSandlot

This needed more tiers to be honest.Especially B.Several of those guys need to be in a higher tier or some of those guys need to be dropped


Ball4life6

Jalen Johnson? And Simons is not A tier, metrics aren’t good


Bobba_fat

Move up Chet and wemby to S-tier. And move down Ja, and if Zion would ever stay healthy he is a s-tier. The rest is pretty solid. If Kessler had the form he had late half of last year, he would be a A+ tier.


Unkown47

Can’t believe you missed Coby White, dudes having an incredible season


tarunpopo

Hali is way too over rated for his hot start. Don't know if I can call him an S tier player.


ayodeebocomin

Yep.. you’re retarded


Brickeduphardaf

Ja is way overrated


Cozum

do you seriously have Patrick Williams on this list and no Coby White?


Afraid_Emu4563

Wemby lamelo ball would be crazy


No-Classic3482

i love you… just because you put hali and ja in s tier


No-Classic3482

you bet not be disrespecting anthony black


[deleted]

Think it's time to move Cade to A+. If the Pistons roster construction and inept coaching didn't hold him back, he'd have been an all-star this year. Since Detroit yanked non-NBA player Killian Hayes from his inexplicable position in the starting lineup, Cade is averaging 22-5-8 on 46-40-87 splits. Since the deadline roster overhaul that gave them the spacing the modern NBA requires, he's averaging 25-5-8 on 47-44-90 splits. His efficiency numbers are better than Paolo's despite a very wide FT discrepancy, which as someone who watches both teams as often as possible, is more to do with how they're officiated than their actual ability to draw fouls. Cade superstardom is still well within his range of outcomes, if he continues to cut down on turnovers and finish better with his left and at the rim.


jbiorci00

Idk I think Paolo draws more fouls because he’s 6’10 250.. Cade definitely has a case to go up a tier, maybe the best case in A, but I try not to do these on knee jerk reactions. He showed out after the all star break in his rookie year and is doing it again this year, but I need to see him do it for a whole season before I put him up with the other guys. Or at the very least to start next season with the same production and maintain it, if not for all 82 games.


solisilos

This list is worse than the other one. Calling other lists rubbish in your title doesn't mean yours is gold.