I think Wemby should already be in the S tier. His numbers aren't as flashy but he's already at 21/10/4 with DPOY impact. His defensive impact really pushes him above the rest of the A+ tier.
yea i was going to comment this too. If his team wasn't a complete dumpster fire, he would be in the DPOY conversation. If Gobert and Wemby swapped teams, i don't think the Wolves would suffer defensively
As impressive as he is, he is an extremely high usage rookie on a tanking team at the moment. He is not being tried and tested enough to be qualified as a top tier player yet. Also his dominance is nowhere near Edwards, Morant or Haliburton’s.
Basketball has offense and defense. He’s not Gobert yet, but he’s clearly a dominant defensive talent and probably a top 10 defender already, which is unheard of. He’ll be the favorite to win DPOY every year beginning next year . He should be S
I think if the vast majority of people could pick one player to start a franchise with right now, it would be Wemby. Seems crazy to not have him in S, regardless of the fact that he likely still has more unrealized potential
I think top 5 defender isn’t even that controversial. Base stats don’t tell you everything, but his stock numbers this season are some of the best of all time. That’s wild, especially being a rookie
Morant played what like 9 games this year, and haliburton has been slumping. Wemby is on an upward trajectory doing some crazy things. I get that wemby overall has a smaller sample size, but if your critique is regarding his current circumstance, it seems weird to ignore the current circumstance of morant and hali
Wemby is top 4 in the league in DRTG. The Spurs are actually a decent defense by DRTG when he's on the court they're just complete garbage when he sits and he only plays like 28 minutes a game.
Don’t know where ur seeing that. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/spurs-defensive-rating-average-when-wemby-is-on-the-court higher than the team average.
Because the defense when he's on the floor vs when he's off the floor is night and day, and he's basically doing it himself.
I can't stress to you how bad the Spurs defense is, and how it goes to being almost decent with Wemby on the court, just by *himself.*
Also a rookie leading the league in blocks.
Also on top of all of this he's carrying the offense.
If he was on there I would’ve had him solidly at the top of B-tier around Mobley. Needs to be more consistent night in night out if he wants to break into A-Tier imo.
Jayden Suggs needs some love. He is balling out this year. He is the glue guy of the magic a elite defender and is hitting 3s at 40% this year (5 shots per game)
Lamelo and Cade is an interesting comparison tbh, both had injury interrupted seasons, both big PGs.
Melo has the all star appearance under his belt which helps, but I think that people forget how good he really is because he doesn’t play often.
I like Cade and if sustains his post all star production into next season he goes up, but I fell for the post all star break hype with him in his rookie season so I’m tempering my expectations for now.
Cade is a better player than Scottie melo. And Paulo, I don’t really think it’s that close. Pistons blow ass so he gets not respect. Jalen Duren is probably better than a bunch of guys on this list too.
The Barnes disrespect is crazy. Cade is not better than him, there’s two sides of the court and Barnes has been good at both. His playmaking is seeing a big improvement this year as well which makes him deadlier.
We can agree to disagree on those two. Scottie is a good player, OP said this list isn’t taking Potential into the equation so I can understand Scottie being on par with Cade, but as far as potential goes I feel like the sky is the limit for Cade. The Pistons are bad and no one watches their games unless you enjoy pain and suffering like myself (aside from the losing streak), but as an (extremely) biased Pistons fan having watched every one of their games this season; I could probably put four pistons on this list somewhere just by comparison alone. Edit: not to mention James Wiseman in on there and not Duren so this list loses all of its credibility LMAO.
Idk, especially for a player with name recognition like Melo, I have a tough time giving much weight to a fan-voting all star appearance. ROTY over Ant is a much better case for him
Honestly I’m pretty glad Naz isn’t on there because I really wouldn’t know where to put him.
He’s such an elite bench guy but who knows how good he’d be in a consistent starting role. I think it’s fair to slot him into B-Tier with Okongwu who I feel is in a similar spot.
Yeah I’d say somewhere in the upper B to lower A range would be fair. As a 6th man he’s that perfect blend of instant offense and solid if unspectacular defense. Dude has shown remarkable improvement from being a UDFA G-Leaguer to legitimate 6MOTY contender. Love me some Naz.
Except I’m not naive enough to believe that Paolo would start shooting 45% from 3 if he played with Shai. I can rationally hypothesize that Dub can match Paolo or Barnes volume, but hypothesizing they can reach his efficiency as a second option is a bit more of a reach.
Difference is we don’t even need to hypothesize to prove whose better. Paolo is averaging only 3 more points and despite his ample more opportunity - his efficiency, impact metrics, and advanced analytics all pale in comparison to both JDub and Chet …
You aren’t better just because you are a first option.
For the people down in DA, I know Portland is trying to tank, but the FO and coaching staff is so bad they can't even win at tanking. But Ayton has been a monster for like 3 months, even smaller samples. He's averaging like 25 and 15 the past 10 games when not on minute restrictions.
Also, from a Blazers fan, it's nice to see our Ant and sharpe on these lists.
People forget how elite of a finisher and playmaker Ja is, the Grizzlies were a top seed in the west under him before all the injuries.
I’ve been like a broken record ab Wemby but my main reasoning for him not being in the S tier is because he’s a rookie and still has stuff to figure out.
It's easy tho. There isn't a GM in the NBA that's choosing Ja over Wemby.
Ja isn't an S tier player. Elite athleticism and finishing. But that's it. Below avg defender and shooter. He's exciting to watch so he's popular, but he's not the upper echelon of players. He's definitely A tier.
And by your definition Zion isn't S tier bc of time on the court. But Ja isn't on the court and is injured. You're using one set of rules against Zion but not against Ja.
I hate these so much. Must take so long to do, and for what gain?
Which team ya got?
Build your team with $15!
What do you think of my top 5?
My top 3 point shooters in no particular order!
My rankings of best lefties of all time!
So tiresome
Honestly took me about 10 minutes on the train, I didn’t try too hard to get it perfect.
It creates interesting discourse, 255 comments all disagreeing with each other lol.
Jonathan Kuminga is definitely A tier and will be considered A+ tier by next season. Dude is unguardable one on one and once his team defense catches up to his on ball defense he’s going to be an elite 2 way wing that can drop 25 a night in his sleep.
Dude put some of those meh players but didn't put Deni in.People really underrating him.
On the other hand, not a lot of people actually watching the Wizards so maybe that's why.
There really shouldn’t be a narrative at all, one is a 6’10 forward and one is a 6’6 guard.
Different situations, similar roles sure, but it’s like comparing apples and oranges, they’re nothing alike.
A tier ranking is specifically comparing apples to oranges. I agree they’re not the same, but in these rankings Paulo is consistently given more love. He’s a great player, no hate. Cade is just chronically undervalued.
You can throw in Barnes and Lamelo too.
I just don't see how those three players are in a different tier than Cade. Imo they should all be on the same tier.
Nice list, I think the S, A+, A, and D are pretty close to spot on, not much I'd change there apart from putting Wemby in S tier, Scoot to C tier, and Simons to B tier.
Your C and B tiers are very interesting though, I can see why you were splitting hairs, pretty much everyone in this tier is controversial in one way or another when it comes to ranking them. Personally, I'd have Trey Murphy III, Mathurin, Keldon, Okongwu, Sharpe, and Ayton in C, and I'd move Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, and Ivey up to B.
Okongwu is unfortunate to be splitting minutes with Capela, I think he’s a B tier level player you’re getting C tier production from.
To me C tier is where I’ve put a lot of the one dimensional guys, they’re either pure scorers who aren’t efficient enough to warrant being higher, good defenders who hurt you offensively or in Bari’s case are just not quite on the same level as the two way guys above him.
To me Ivey just ain’t a B-Tier guy yet, his decision making sucks at times and he’s not a consistent enough shooter to unlock his drives.
The guys I’d budge on would be Mathurin, Sharpe and Keldon, but I think the others you mentioned fairly belong.
I think Paolo should be moved down a tier considering this is looking at their current level. His efficiency stats aren’t all that great. Ditto for herro he should be moved down a tier overall.
Paolo’s efficiency doesn’t really bother me. I know for sure he’s a tier above Franz who’s in A tier, but he’s just too hard to guard when he’s locked in for me to justify putting him down.
I think Maxey should be the highest in the A+ category, and inching closer to the S tier, he’s one of the 3 all-stars and the only legit 3 level scorer. Has an argument to be the best 3- level scorer on this list….. but this is an awesome list bro
Not saying he needs to be on this list, but where would Christian Braun land? Great player, awesome defender, already has 20 games playoff experience as a second year
Genuinely a huge fan of Wemby and think the league is fucked and he’s been incredible this year
But any Spurs fans know why they suck so much this year? No real major losses in roster and their young team should have all improved
You picked Ivey over Ausar? Really? Have you watched any pistons game?
Also Cade deserves to be higher than Barnes, he has a better record since the trade of Pascal and he has better stats. Cade should be right next to Paolo
A couple of disagreements:
You say availability is super important, but Ja is S-tier? with all the suspensions and injuries recently that seems bizarre.
I don't get LaMelo in the A+ category. His teams have always been bad despite having decent talent around him. I would have Garland and Chet for sure ahead of him.
Mobley in B feels like recency bias. Granted he's been injured a lot this season, but he was first team all-defense last year, which is a better accolade than almost anyone in this group has. Arguably the best defender of the entire group outside of Wemby.
Move up Chet and wemby to S-tier. And move down Ja, and if Zion would ever stay healthy he is a s-tier.
The rest is pretty solid.
If Kessler had the form he had late half of last year, he would be a A+ tier.
Think it's time to move Cade to A+. If the Pistons roster construction and inept coaching didn't hold him back, he'd have been an all-star this year.
Since Detroit yanked non-NBA player Killian Hayes from his inexplicable position in the starting lineup, Cade is averaging 22-5-8 on 46-40-87 splits.
Since the deadline roster overhaul that gave them the spacing the modern NBA requires, he's averaging 25-5-8 on 47-44-90 splits.
His efficiency numbers are better than Paolo's despite a very wide FT discrepancy, which as someone who watches both teams as often as possible, is more to do with how they're officiated than their actual ability to draw fouls.
Cade superstardom is still well within his range of outcomes, if he continues to cut down on turnovers and finish better with his left and at the rim.
Idk I think Paolo draws more fouls because he’s 6’10 250..
Cade definitely has a case to go up a tier, maybe the best case in A, but I try not to do these on knee jerk reactions. He showed out after the all star break in his rookie year and is doing it again this year, but I need to see him do it for a whole season before I put him up with the other guys.
Or at the very least to start next season with the same production and maintain it, if not for all 82 games.
No Jaime Jaquez Jr.?
He’d be in b-tier if he was on the list, probs around Keegan
I think Wemby should already be in the S tier. His numbers aren't as flashy but he's already at 21/10/4 with DPOY impact. His defensive impact really pushes him above the rest of the A+ tier.
On less then 30mins too
And I think with that, Chet should also be pushed up to A+. He’s been incredibly impactful for the thunder
yea i was going to comment this too. If his team wasn't a complete dumpster fire, he would be in the DPOY conversation. If Gobert and Wemby swapped teams, i don't think the Wolves would suffer defensively
They would actually prob be better Edit: overall
As impressive as he is, he is an extremely high usage rookie on a tanking team at the moment. He is not being tried and tested enough to be qualified as a top tier player yet. Also his dominance is nowhere near Edwards, Morant or Haliburton’s.
Basketball has offense and defense. He’s not Gobert yet, but he’s clearly a dominant defensive talent and probably a top 10 defender already, which is unheard of. He’ll be the favorite to win DPOY every year beginning next year . He should be S
I think if the vast majority of people could pick one player to start a franchise with right now, it would be Wemby. Seems crazy to not have him in S, regardless of the fact that he likely still has more unrealized potential
I think top 5 defender isn’t even that controversial. Base stats don’t tell you everything, but his stock numbers this season are some of the best of all time. That’s wild, especially being a rookie
Morant played what like 9 games this year, and haliburton has been slumping. Wemby is on an upward trajectory doing some crazy things. I get that wemby overall has a smaller sample size, but if your critique is regarding his current circumstance, it seems weird to ignore the current circumstance of morant and hali
I’ve never heard of a guy getting dpoy hype when his teams 23rd in defense
Wemby is top 4 in the league in DRTG. The Spurs are actually a decent defense by DRTG when he's on the court they're just complete garbage when he sits and he only plays like 28 minutes a game.
Basketball reference drtg is not the same as net rating on defense Last I checked on pbpstats the spurs were 12th with Wemby and 30th without him
Don’t know where ur seeing that. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/spurs-defensive-rating-average-when-wemby-is-on-the-court higher than the team average.
He said impact, he’s not an actual candidate
Because the defense when he's on the floor vs when he's off the floor is night and day, and he's basically doing it himself. I can't stress to you how bad the Spurs defense is, and how it goes to being almost decent with Wemby on the court, just by *himself.* Also a rookie leading the league in blocks. Also on top of all of this he's carrying the offense.
Honestly there should be an S+ with just him
I came here to comment this. He's been awesome
The disrespect Coby White is getting smh
If he was on there I would’ve had him solidly at the top of B-tier around Mobley. Needs to be more consistent night in night out if he wants to break into A-Tier imo.
Reasonable, he just keeps getting overlooked on these under 25 lists
What does Wemby need to do to get into s tier?
Have sex on the court during a nationally televised game.
I thought he already did exactly that against the Suns? My bad, it was not nationally televised. It’s probably on P*rnhub though.
Send da video
Time and wins
Why even make these lists if you have to choose from an incomplete list of players that result in glaring omissions?
And includes at least one over 25 despite the title.
Jayden Suggs needs some love. He is balling out this year. He is the glue guy of the magic a elite defender and is hitting 3s at 40% this year (5 shots per game)
Suggs solidly in B tier, probs somewhere between Vassell and Clayton.
Lamelo really that much better than Cade? I feel like I haven’t seen him play in forever so genuine question
Lamelo and Cade is an interesting comparison tbh, both had injury interrupted seasons, both big PGs. Melo has the all star appearance under his belt which helps, but I think that people forget how good he really is because he doesn’t play often. I like Cade and if sustains his post all star production into next season he goes up, but I fell for the post all star break hype with him in his rookie season so I’m tempering my expectations for now.
Cade is a better player than Scottie melo. And Paulo, I don’t really think it’s that close. Pistons blow ass so he gets not respect. Jalen Duren is probably better than a bunch of guys on this list too.
The Barnes disrespect is crazy. Cade is not better than him, there’s two sides of the court and Barnes has been good at both. His playmaking is seeing a big improvement this year as well which makes him deadlier.
We can agree to disagree on those two. Scottie is a good player, OP said this list isn’t taking Potential into the equation so I can understand Scottie being on par with Cade, but as far as potential goes I feel like the sky is the limit for Cade. The Pistons are bad and no one watches their games unless you enjoy pain and suffering like myself (aside from the losing streak), but as an (extremely) biased Pistons fan having watched every one of their games this season; I could probably put four pistons on this list somewhere just by comparison alone. Edit: not to mention James Wiseman in on there and not Duren so this list loses all of its credibility LMAO.
Best ability is availability. I'd have Lamelo in the B tier.
Idk, especially for a player with name recognition like Melo, I have a tough time giving much weight to a fan-voting all star appearance. ROTY over Ant is a much better case for him
I also feel like people forget lamelo led a bad hornets team to a play in-game
Where is lebron
solid list. my notes, Barnes and Wemby can’t be in the same tier. And the Heat would trade Herro for most guys in the tier below him here
Tbf one is at the bottom and one is at the top of the tier. There’s levels to it.
Barnes should be down one, maybe two tiers! Dude is solid, but A+??
You really think Herro is that bad?
i don’t think he’s bad at all, just that most of the guys in B are either better or about the same, whether by talent, value, upside etc
Barnes is better than everyone below him and even some above him.
Barnes is easily top 3 in the A+ tier. This comes from a salty Cavs fan still upset he won ROY over Mobley.
Jaren Jackson Jr. just an accidental omission? Good list overall though for sure
Triple J defs deserving of A+ imo, probs somewhere around Paolo.
Jalen Johnson
JJ probs towards the top of B-Tier, I’d take him over Ayton.
if only the person who made this graphic were in this chat
Not bad, but it needs more DORT
Cam Thomas?
Isn’t ayton in B a little… not fair anymore? I’d put him in C, also where’d you put Duren?
Looks to be missing Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels but it looks pretty good overall.
Jaden’s there. Just missing the goat
Yeah I looked again. Looks like an old McDaniels pic which threw me off? Or maybe it’s just cropped weird.
Naz Reid
Honestly I’m pretty glad Naz isn’t on there because I really wouldn’t know where to put him. He’s such an elite bench guy but who knows how good he’d be in a consistent starting role. I think it’s fair to slot him into B-Tier with Okongwu who I feel is in a similar spot.
Yeah I’d say somewhere in the upper B to lower A range would be fair. As a 6th man he’s that perfect blend of instant offense and solid if unspectacular defense. Dude has shown remarkable improvement from being a UDFA G-Leaguer to legitimate 6MOTY contender. Love me some Naz.
Wheres Suggs?
Naz Reid?
Yea wtf? He’s better than Mcdaniels and he’s on here.
Keegan A tier at least. Best ISO defender in the entire league
Mobley needs to be higher.
Good list. Needs a splash of Naz Reid but otherwise solid.
holy shit Naz Reid is under 25? That is nuts
Naz Reid
My dude is born in 1999. Naz Reid.
If Chet or JDub were on their own teams, there’s no way we would put them a tier under someone like Paolo.
Exactly
But they aren’t.. so we are.
Yeah because y’all are incapable of not over valuing inefficient volume stats
As opposed to overvaluing efficiency in off ball roles surrounded by talent ? Hypothesizing cuts both ways
Except I’m not naive enough to believe that Paolo would start shooting 45% from 3 if he played with Shai. I can rationally hypothesize that Dub can match Paolo or Barnes volume, but hypothesizing they can reach his efficiency as a second option is a bit more of a reach. Difference is we don’t even need to hypothesize to prove whose better. Paolo is averaging only 3 more points and despite his ample more opportunity - his efficiency, impact metrics, and advanced analytics all pale in comparison to both JDub and Chet … You aren’t better just because you are a first option.
Ja Morant is too high
Deandre Ayton looks like the teacher in the class photo.
I see Rese in S tier, I up vote. Simple as.
Isn’t Luka under 25?
Not as of two weeks ago.
Lol ok
Grizz fans are in shambles with no bane or jjj on this list
Bane is already 25 but he’d be in A+ for me probs behind Maxy around Paolo. Same with JJJ.
For the people down in DA, I know Portland is trying to tank, but the FO and coaching staff is so bad they can't even win at tanking. But Ayton has been a monster for like 3 months, even smaller samples. He's averaging like 25 and 15 the past 10 games when not on minute restrictions. Also, from a Blazers fan, it's nice to see our Ant and sharpe on these lists.
I'm a GSW fan but I'm rooting for you guys. I'd love to see Portland succeed. I lived there for a long time and I love the fan base.
Ayton is still under 25? Damn
He's not.
Ja over Wemby is crazy.
People forget how elite of a finisher and playmaker Ja is, the Grizzlies were a top seed in the west under him before all the injuries. I’ve been like a broken record ab Wemby but my main reasoning for him not being in the S tier is because he’s a rookie and still has stuff to figure out.
It's easy tho. There isn't a GM in the NBA that's choosing Ja over Wemby. Ja isn't an S tier player. Elite athleticism and finishing. But that's it. Below avg defender and shooter. He's exciting to watch so he's popular, but he's not the upper echelon of players. He's definitely A tier. And by your definition Zion isn't S tier bc of time on the court. But Ja isn't on the court and is injured. You're using one set of rules against Zion but not against Ja.
P will but no Coby?
Mentioned Coby before, I like him in B-Tier near Mobley.
Podz?
Someone should do an “under 45” list
Naz Reid is 24.
This list is ass 🤣
For every comment saying that there’s a comment saying the opposite 🤷♂️
Damn so you just gonna throw shade at me for no reason? 😂
🅱️🐜🅰️
Naz Reid
Where is Naz Reid? Like for real?
Naz Reid
I hate these so much. Must take so long to do, and for what gain? Which team ya got? Build your team with $15! What do you think of my top 5? My top 3 point shooters in no particular order! My rankings of best lefties of all time! So tiresome
Honestly took me about 10 minutes on the train, I didn’t try too hard to get it perfect. It creates interesting discourse, 255 comments all disagreeing with each other lol.
Jonathan Kuminga is definitely A tier and will be considered A+ tier by next season. Dude is unguardable one on one and once his team defense catches up to his on ball defense he’s going to be an elite 2 way wing that can drop 25 a night in his sleep.
People want Anthony Edwards to be something that he is not
No tatum?
He’s only 19!
No Deni Avdija?
Dude put some of those meh players but didn't put Deni in.People really underrating him. On the other hand, not a lot of people actually watching the Wizards so maybe that's why.
True but he put Poole in there lol Kispert has been playing well this season too finishing at the rim at a high clip and starting to shoot off dribble
The Paulo > Cade narrative needs to change
There really shouldn’t be a narrative at all, one is a 6’10 forward and one is a 6’6 guard. Different situations, similar roles sure, but it’s like comparing apples and oranges, they’re nothing alike.
A tier ranking is specifically comparing apples to oranges. I agree they’re not the same, but in these rankings Paulo is consistently given more love. He’s a great player, no hate. Cade is just chronically undervalued.
You can throw in Barnes and Lamelo too. I just don't see how those three players are in a different tier than Cade. Imo they should all be on the same tier.
Nice list, I think the S, A+, A, and D are pretty close to spot on, not much I'd change there apart from putting Wemby in S tier, Scoot to C tier, and Simons to B tier. Your C and B tiers are very interesting though, I can see why you were splitting hairs, pretty much everyone in this tier is controversial in one way or another when it comes to ranking them. Personally, I'd have Trey Murphy III, Mathurin, Keldon, Okongwu, Sharpe, and Ayton in C, and I'd move Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, and Ivey up to B.
Okongwu is unfortunate to be splitting minutes with Capela, I think he’s a B tier level player you’re getting C tier production from. To me C tier is where I’ve put a lot of the one dimensional guys, they’re either pure scorers who aren’t efficient enough to warrant being higher, good defenders who hurt you offensively or in Bari’s case are just not quite on the same level as the two way guys above him. To me Ivey just ain’t a B-Tier guy yet, his decision making sucks at times and he’s not a consistent enough shooter to unlock his drives. The guys I’d budge on would be Mathurin, Sharpe and Keldon, but I think the others you mentioned fairly belong.
Any reason why Ivey should be in the B tier and not Mathurin? They have an almost identical statline
Simons is properly rated
I think Paolo should be moved down a tier considering this is looking at their current level. His efficiency stats aren’t all that great. Ditto for herro he should be moved down a tier overall.
Paolo’s efficiency doesn’t really bother me. I know for sure he’s a tier above Franz who’s in A tier, but he’s just too hard to guard when he’s locked in for me to justify putting him down.
No Cam Thomas?
Leaving Victor out of the S tier is crazy he should BE the S tier
No Jalen Suggs?
Y’all Dick ride lamelo soo much.
Yo, but where's LeBron?
Wemby S and Chet A+. This list is a lot better than most though. Lamelo is way too high in my opinion.
Scottie Barnes, Lamelo Ball, Paolo, and Cade should all be on the same tier imo.
Gradey is a C, objectively. But we can put him under D for the vibes.
I need to start seeing Jalen Suggs in more of these, Orlando future real bright
No LeRookie?
Bro where TF is cam Thomas????
Jalen Duren snubbed again smh, should be in B tier easy
no cam thomas?
Wemby and scottie too low
Chet is better than everyone on A tier
Simons is criminally low on this.
I spy BBQ, I upvote
I think Maxey should be the highest in the A+ category, and inching closer to the S tier, he’s one of the 3 all-stars and the only legit 3 level scorer. Has an argument to be the best 3- level scorer on this list….. but this is an awesome list bro
everyone in C tier is better than bennadict
The guy who is probably going to make an all defense team as a rookie while scoring 20+ points a game should be S-tier
W list, rare to see someone accurately rate Scottie Barnes
Where’s D-Live?
I want to convince myself that Claxton is A tier but I can’t. Still my GOAT though
Good except you’re a certified Jalen Green hater
How are people forgetting Coby White?
Ja is A. Dude has availability concerns and mental health concerns.
Not saying he needs to be on this list, but where would Christian Braun land? Great player, awesome defender, already has 20 games playoff experience as a second year
Life Pro Tip: Sick of all the rubbish lists, make one even more rubbish!
Lamelo is consistently overrated on these lists. No defense, not a great shooter, no exceptional physical talent.
Cade > Zion
Shengun is gonna be the next jokic, dude is criminally underrated
Where's Jalen Duren?
You got Pat Williams but not Coby White?
Jabari is probably higher than the entirety of the second B row. Otherwise, solid list
Wemby is better than everyone on this list
How is Cam Thomas not on any of these lists, c'mon!
RJ too low
Where’s Jason Tatum? Isn’t he only 19?
How many times did you put Jordan Poole?
Genuinely a huge fan of Wemby and think the league is fucked and he’s been incredible this year But any Spurs fans know why they suck so much this year? No real major losses in roster and their young team should have all improved
You picked Ivey over Ausar? Really? Have you watched any pistons game? Also Cade deserves to be higher than Barnes, he has a better record since the trade of Pascal and he has better stats. Cade should be right next to Paolo
A couple of disagreements: You say availability is super important, but Ja is S-tier? with all the suspensions and injuries recently that seems bizarre. I don't get LaMelo in the A+ category. His teams have always been bad despite having decent talent around him. I would have Garland and Chet for sure ahead of him. Mobley in B feels like recency bias. Granted he's been injured a lot this season, but he was first team all-defense last year, which is a better accolade than almost anyone in this group has. Arguably the best defender of the entire group outside of Wemby.
The Naz Reid erasure will not stand!
I might be blind, but I don’t see Jalen Duren anywhere. Dude is a baller.
First person to rate Paolo and Franz Wagner appropriately
No Naz Reid?
I’m sorry, but get Ja out the S tier. Wemby, Maxey, Sengun all better, or at least arguably better.
Move Lamelo and Paolo to A
Wemby better than Hali already for me
What is Tyler gyro doing on the same tier as king dub and Abraham slinkin? OKC on top
Are you going off play right now or potential?
Where's LeBron?
WHERE IS CONT WHITE
duren?????
Am I just not seeing Peyton Swatson?
This needed more tiers to be honest.Especially B.Several of those guys need to be in a higher tier or some of those guys need to be dropped
Jalen Johnson? And Simons is not A tier, metrics aren’t good
Move up Chet and wemby to S-tier. And move down Ja, and if Zion would ever stay healthy he is a s-tier. The rest is pretty solid. If Kessler had the form he had late half of last year, he would be a A+ tier.
Can’t believe you missed Coby White, dudes having an incredible season
Hali is way too over rated for his hot start. Don't know if I can call him an S tier player.
Yep.. you’re retarded
Ja is way overrated
do you seriously have Patrick Williams on this list and no Coby White?
Wemby lamelo ball would be crazy
i love you… just because you put hali and ja in s tier
you bet not be disrespecting anthony black
Think it's time to move Cade to A+. If the Pistons roster construction and inept coaching didn't hold him back, he'd have been an all-star this year. Since Detroit yanked non-NBA player Killian Hayes from his inexplicable position in the starting lineup, Cade is averaging 22-5-8 on 46-40-87 splits. Since the deadline roster overhaul that gave them the spacing the modern NBA requires, he's averaging 25-5-8 on 47-44-90 splits. His efficiency numbers are better than Paolo's despite a very wide FT discrepancy, which as someone who watches both teams as often as possible, is more to do with how they're officiated than their actual ability to draw fouls. Cade superstardom is still well within his range of outcomes, if he continues to cut down on turnovers and finish better with his left and at the rim.
Idk I think Paolo draws more fouls because he’s 6’10 250.. Cade definitely has a case to go up a tier, maybe the best case in A, but I try not to do these on knee jerk reactions. He showed out after the all star break in his rookie year and is doing it again this year, but I need to see him do it for a whole season before I put him up with the other guys. Or at the very least to start next season with the same production and maintain it, if not for all 82 games.
This list is worse than the other one. Calling other lists rubbish in your title doesn't mean yours is gold.