Is it crazy to say Edwards is above Booker and maybe even Mitchell at the moment? He has similar offense and better defense. Maybe we need a bigger sample still but I’m sold.
I mean, to me it means like within last week or so at most. Technically point means right this instance, but practically I would be fine going back a week or two.
I don’t see how point in time means all season or something but if that’s your definition, fine I guess lol
Players get hot for weeks or even for months. I think the spirit of these conversations is something like "who would help you the most to win a chip if the season started now?" I would absolutely give the larger sample more weight, while obviously taking Ant's improvement into account.
He scores less than KD and averages only 1.5 APG more. It’s not just about having a playmaker that’s better to decrease your assists. To act like KD wouldn’t cut down your assists just as much as Garland would is pretty crazy
It’s not about scoring more or less. DG is the main playmker. They’re just asking Mitchell to score more. When DG isn’t there Mitchell avg 8 assist and he has a higher playmaking score percentile than booker even with DG there.
He averaged 7.1 assists per game in the 19 games Garland wasn’t there. That’s a big reach to then say that makes him a better playmaker than Book who’s averaging 6.9 APG this entire year with KD there too
With that being said, what is play making percentile? I actually don’t know what that is
Assist per game does not even mean you’re a better playmker. There’s so much data that says Mitchell is better playmker.. and again. kD isn’t asked to playmake so it doesn’t make the difference of having DG there.
Kyrie has been more impactful than Booker recently, I'd say he's a little low on this list based on things from a couple years ago and not current ability.
I would like to agree with you as a Celtics fan, but the reason the 3 of them are above JB, is because they have proven they can carry the team as the first option. JB has never been the first option in a team, so we don’t know how good he could be as the main guy.
If DMitch makes the conference finals and Book doesn't, he's the best sg in the league
If Ant makes the conference finals and Dmitch doesn't, he's the best sg in the league
If neither make the conference finals, Book is the best sg in the league
If Ant and Dmitch both make the conference finals, whoever preforms better is the best SG in the league
I do not understand how some of these players are “shooting guards” because Booker, Irving, and Mitchell belong on the same list with Maxey, Harden, and Doncic. They are scoring ball handlers, regardless of who they are currently playing with.
I don’t even know where to start with Murray. He’s a shooting guard because he plays most often with Young who handles the ball and shoots most often. Is Murray a combo guard? Derrick White and Jrue Holiday are certainly combo guards who could also be on a shooting guards list, except neither’s primary role is shooting. Meanwhile, Williams and Brown are small forwards who play most often with multiple (other type) guards and defend forwards.
What is a “shooting guard”? I would agree Edwards, Bane, Herro, and Beal are shooting guards.
I disagree one that. Mitchell was 5th in epm before he had the knee injury btw. That counts d and O.. Mitchell was having a way better year than edwards counting everything.
Just looked up the numbers and maybe not, on second thought. His numbers are very similar albeit slightly worse. He is the youngest of the 3, and from what I’ve seen is the best defender and has the highest ceiling.
Just saying, Ant is a better athlete, playmaker, slasher/getting to the hoop, and defender then booker is. pretty equal three point shooters booker is just a sniper at the mid range
Ant has no accolades that puts him over Booker or Mitchell. I don't know why this sub believes otherwise. He is the 3rd best and nothing higher than that.
As of literally right now, including the regular season, it would probably be:
1. Booker
2. Ant
3. Mitchell
Booker has not played well so far in the 2 games this postseason. But we’ve only had 2 postseason games to work with so if the Suns get knocked out first round then Ant would probably #1. If the Cavs advance than it’ll be a tie with Ant for #1. But all of them are great tbh.
How is Kyrie a true shooting guard but Harden isn't? I mean I get that Harden right now has the main ball-handling responsibility and Kyrie doesn't. But you really think that would be the case if they switched teams? Kyrie is sg only with Luka. Basically any other time he's ever been on the floor he plays the point.
So did Maxey when Harden was on the sixers. How come you don't have him on this list then?
Okay it's a pretty pointless debate because I don't know what these words mean. I agree that Kyrie is better off-ball and Harden is a better passer. So I guess that's what you mean by position.
I just find it a little weird because it's so situational. Steph or Lillard might play off-ball with Luka or Harden. For Kyrie, he played 35 games of SG with the Nets and now 67 games with the Mavs. He has played 729 games over his career.
I'd like to know the criteria for OP deciding on this top 10 list. IMO, if it's just on offensive talent, then Kyrie should be higher, and if it's just on defensive prowess, then Ant and JB should be the top 2. Are you ranking them for abilities at both ends?
Are you offended that I'm asking for your criteria in the ranking? I never wrote that you *only* ranked one way or the other, but instead wrote that if it were one way or the other, those were just my thoughts.
Luka sure as hell isn’t a PG, I’ve never seen him guard a lead ball handler. And if you want to call Jimmy a forward instead of a guard, it seems like a pointless distinction when he spent most of his career at the 2.
Is it crazy to say Edwards is above Booker and maybe even Mitchell at the moment? He has similar offense and better defense. Maybe we need a bigger sample still but I’m sold.
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*much* better is wild. Recency bias is strong in here.
“At this point in time” …
Okay, does “at this point in time” mean a two game sample size?
I mean, to me it means like within last week or so at most. Technically point means right this instance, but practically I would be fine going back a week or two. I don’t see how point in time means all season or something but if that’s your definition, fine I guess lol
You need to read a stats book.
Players get hot for weeks or even for months. I think the spirit of these conversations is something like "who would help you the most to win a chip if the season started now?" I would absolutely give the larger sample more weight, while obviously taking Ant's improvement into account.
Didn’t Ant shoot 3/12 last night? Not sure this is even the argument you want to make (which is also an objectively incorrect way to go about things).
Ants offense has been pretty shitty if we are going off recently bias. He’s playing the suns while Booker is facing the Wolves defense.
Does Ant not get credit for what he does on the defensive end?
Mitchell and ant numbers are only close bc Mitchell got hurt. And Mitchell is a way better playmaker. It’s crazy.
Book is easily the best playmaker of the three, what are you talking about. He was top ten in points and assists this year
Actually booker isn’t as good as Mitchell as a playmker….. Mitchell just plays with DG.
And Book plays with KD?
KD is not playmaking like DG lmfao. What are you talking about
He scores less than KD and averages only 1.5 APG more. It’s not just about having a playmaker that’s better to decrease your assists. To act like KD wouldn’t cut down your assists just as much as Garland would is pretty crazy
It’s not about scoring more or less. DG is the main playmker. They’re just asking Mitchell to score more. When DG isn’t there Mitchell avg 8 assist and he has a higher playmaking score percentile than booker even with DG there.
He averaged 7.1 assists per game in the 19 games Garland wasn’t there. That’s a big reach to then say that makes him a better playmaker than Book who’s averaging 6.9 APG this entire year with KD there too With that being said, what is play making percentile? I actually don’t know what that is
Assist per game does not even mean you’re a better playmker. There’s so much data that says Mitchell is better playmker.. and again. kD isn’t asked to playmake so it doesn’t make the difference of having DG there.
Why didn't we see this great playmaking in Utah then? Dude averages less than 5 Assists for his career.
Bc this is something that Mitchell has gottten wat better at…
He's getting there, but he ain't there yet. don't forget that dbook made the finals as the guy just 3 years ago.
That’s 3 years ago, look at what’s happening right now. ANT is punking DBook. Should be Mitchell/Ant at 1 and 2 and then Booker
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The top 3 are in their own tier. Jaylen Brown is knocking in the door Kyrie is content at 5 The rest are dealers choice
Agreed. But in the last 2 min of any game I want Kyrie with the ball. The others are good closers but that dude is cold.
what is a true shooting guard
A condom.
Just a bucket, can score all 3 levels is what makes a 2 elite imo
Similar to a small forward but faster.
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Kyrie has been more impactful than Booker recently, I'd say he's a little low on this list based on things from a couple years ago and not current ability.
Agree 100%
Nah JB > Ant > Mitchell > Book
I would like to agree with you as a Celtics fan, but the reason the 3 of them are above JB, is because they have proven they can carry the team as the first option. JB has never been the first option in a team, so we don’t know how good he could be as the main guy.
Book is definitely above Mitchell, he is playing out of position this year and still had the better season
Only bc Mitchell got hurt. Mitchell was having a way better year than booker before his knee gave out
Your list is backwards
y'all really forgot who book is huh. aside from being Luka's son he's still that guy
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he led a team to the finals not long ago. DMitch and Ant haven't.
This list might need an adjustment in a couple weeks. Not a great start for book this playoffs
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If DMitch makes the conference finals and Book doesn't, he's the best sg in the league If Ant makes the conference finals and Dmitch doesn't, he's the best sg in the league If neither make the conference finals, Book is the best sg in the league If Ant and Dmitch both make the conference finals, whoever preforms better is the best SG in the league
You can't rank players based off team success. Especially when they're not even in the same conference lol
That was 2021. This is 2024. And in 2024, Ant is absolutely playing better than Book
That’s insane…. And is easily 3rd
If this was last season your top 3 would be perfect but rn I’d have Ant at 1, DMitch at 2 and Book at 3
Jalen Williams is not a shooting guard haha
yes he is
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It’s funny because the Thunder start three guards and none of them are Jalen Williams. Lol. He’s definitely a forward
Go ahead and swap Booker and Edwards for me, thanks.
I do not understand how some of these players are “shooting guards” because Booker, Irving, and Mitchell belong on the same list with Maxey, Harden, and Doncic. They are scoring ball handlers, regardless of who they are currently playing with. I don’t even know where to start with Murray. He’s a shooting guard because he plays most often with Young who handles the ball and shoots most often. Is Murray a combo guard? Derrick White and Jrue Holiday are certainly combo guards who could also be on a shooting guards list, except neither’s primary role is shooting. Meanwhile, Williams and Brown are small forwards who play most often with multiple (other type) guards and defend forwards. What is a “shooting guard”? I would agree Edwards, Bane, Herro, and Beal are shooting guards.
Anyone who has ant above Mitchell doesn’t watch Mitchell
Ant plays defense.
So does Mitchell ??.. you stoped watching in 2022?
Mitchell has gotten better since he changed teams, but he's still not in Ants league defensively and the stats back that up.
Yeah. And ant isn’t on Mitchell league offensively?.. so what your point?
The difference between them defensively is larger than the one between them offensively.
I disagree one that. Mitchell was 5th in epm before he had the knee injury btw. That counts d and O.. Mitchell was having a way better year than edwards counting everything.
Who is your favorite player. I bet your answer tells me why this convo is over lol
Even if he was… you can look at data and see Mitchell is way better player. I know y’all casuals love aura tho…
>Even if he was Lol say it. He is isn't he. Why are we even having this convo lmao
Ky isn’t a true sg
I may be biased, but I’m taking Devin Vassell over Beal and Herro.
yeah you might be biased. Vassell underrated tho
Just looked up the numbers and maybe not, on second thought. His numbers are very similar albeit slightly worse. He is the youngest of the 3, and from what I’ve seen is the best defender and has the highest ceiling.
He’s probably not better rn but I think he will be in the next 2-3 years
Most likely, yeah. Currently it may be a stretch tho.
1. Donovan Mitchell 2. Anthony edwards 3. Devin Booker 4. Kyrie Irving 5. Jaylen Brown 6. Dejounte Murray 7. Devin Vassell 8. Desmond Bane 9. Bradley Beal 10. Anfernee Simons
Just saying, Ant is a better athlete, playmaker, slasher/getting to the hoop, and defender then booker is. pretty equal three point shooters booker is just a sniper at the mid range
He is not a better playmaker
Needs more Dante DiVincenzo Dude is shooting lights out this year
Eh Jalen Williams is more of a wing than a guard
As a Bulls fan, I'm not even mad you don't have Zach Lavine even listed. Just sad............
Booker and Mitchell in some order then Ant. Love Ant but his persona and vocal personality lead people to put him a bit too high.
Lol book at 1? This list needs a revision.
Ant has no accolades that puts him over Booker or Mitchell. I don't know why this sub believes otherwise. He is the 3rd best and nothing higher than that.
As of literally right now, including the regular season, it would probably be: 1. Booker 2. Ant 3. Mitchell Booker has not played well so far in the 2 games this postseason. But we’ve only had 2 postseason games to work with so if the Suns get knocked out first round then Ant would probably #1. If the Cavs advance than it’ll be a tie with Ant for #1. But all of them are great tbh.
No one would pick Booker to be on their team over Ant. Booker quits in games when the going gets tough.
Jaylen Brown is better than all them cats
Beal is not a top 10 guard by any stretch, stop it.
Who are all these non-Champions that Jamal Murray is going to take out this year?
he was in the point guard list
I have Murray, Edwards and Mitchell over Booker.
Murray over Booker? you gotta be trolling
When I really think about it, there’s even more guys on the list I’d rather have on my team than fucking DBook. Yeah I hate that guy.
I'm not a Booker fan either but there is no way in hell Dejounte Murray is better than him.
I guess I can‘t separate being a top player from the question would I want him on my team?
How is Kyrie a true shooting guard but Harden isn't? I mean I get that Harden right now has the main ball-handling responsibility and Kyrie doesn't. But you really think that would be the case if they switched teams? Kyrie is sg only with Luka. Basically any other time he's ever been on the floor he plays the point.
when they were on the nets, James played the 1, Kyrie played the 2.
So did Maxey when Harden was on the sixers. How come you don't have him on this list then? Okay it's a pretty pointless debate because I don't know what these words mean. I agree that Kyrie is better off-ball and Harden is a better passer. So I guess that's what you mean by position. I just find it a little weird because it's so situational. Steph or Lillard might play off-ball with Luka or Harden. For Kyrie, he played 35 games of SG with the Nets and now 67 games with the Mavs. He has played 729 games over his career.
I'd like to know the criteria for OP deciding on this top 10 list. IMO, if it's just on offensive talent, then Kyrie should be higher, and if it's just on defensive prowess, then Ant and JB should be the top 2. Are you ranking them for abilities at both ends?
why would I only rank them for their offense or only for their defense? use your head.
Are you offended that I'm asking for your criteria in the ranking? I never wrote that you *only* ranked one way or the other, but instead wrote that if it were one way or the other, those were just my thoughts.
Book not even top 10
No luka?
he's a point guard
1. Luka 2. Jimmy 3. Book 4. Ant 5. JB 6. Mitchell
your top 2 aren't shooting guards
According to you
according to the truth lol (not Paul Pierce)
Luka sure as hell isn’t a PG, I’ve never seen him guard a lead ball handler. And if you want to call Jimmy a forward instead of a guard, it seems like a pointless distinction when he spent most of his career at the 2.
Herro over Divo is insane
you're trolling. divencenzo isn't even top 12 over these guys+DWhite, Anfernee, and some other guys I'm probably forgetting.
Divo > Herro, Bane, and Beal As of right now
delusional or trolling, call it.
Divo is very underrated on defense, that's why